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12:35 AM

It's also about teaching people how to ask questions and not just expecting the rest of the site to tidy up after us.

If somebody's not gonna come back and re-tag after being asked, that's a level of non-commitment to the Stack's "neatly sorted collection" goal, and our Stack Overlords think it's a good way to weed out the folks who will be creating more work for others than they'll be adding value.

trogdor

@BESW that's sort of what I meant execpt much more descriptive

BESW

And, yeah, we've had several "tremendously obvious" instances where it turns out the querent's got some bizarre home-brew mashup weirdness going on.

trogdor

12:53 AM

Yeah I've heard a couple cases of that have happened

And really, tagging the system you are using helps in more than one way

People who are only looking for say, 5th edition D&D questions can find the ones they need to, either so they can answer it or see what the answers to it are, if they can just tag search and eliminate everything that isn't in the system they want

This goes even more for systems with fewer posts

It's just good to try to encourage tagging for several reasons

Ben

1:54 AM

OC ReMix #2135: Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 'Transient Shadows' [Dark World] by WillRock

►

Quite a good LoZ remix.

Definitely good for an intense boss fight

I might have posted it before.

trogdor

It's still nice to get music recommendation

And if you did before this beats looking through the history for it

Ben

Haha

I originally heard it in a BotW play through (guy takes on a Savage Lynel at the beginning of the game). He referred me to the original channel. And now it just popped up in my YouTube shuffle playlist haha

trogdor

I have mixed feelings about those playlists

I wish I could use them but disable the random additions I haven't listened to yet when I don't feel like them

And then turn them back on later if I do

But I can't find any settings to do that

Ben

You can remove them. And you can add songs if you want. But it's a clunky management process. Which I don't mind for a free app

trogdor

Tis true

Mostly it's just slightly frustrating

All in all I still use it because it's free

And the majority of stuff on there, as long as I still prune it sometimes, is stuff I like

Ben

2:05 AM

Free is never a bad thing :p

trogdor

Yeah

I'm just a little picky about it

XD

BESW

9:41 AM

@UrsulaV "In today's unboxing video AUGH A MIMIC HELP" "Roll initiative, and don't forget to Like and subsubscribe!"

Tweeted by Rechanmole on August 7, 2018 at 12:58 AM in reply to UrsulaV

trogdor

lol

Carcer

11:07 AM

hm. I don't seem to be getting updates in the dropdown thingy today

Secespitus

11:18 AM

@Carcer Something like this?

Carcer

11:29 AM

yeah, exactly like that

figured it was probably a general problem

BESW

11:52 AM

Everyone who designs games/RPGs should watch My Hero Academia. Its superpower concepts and strategies will give you ideas.

Tweeted by StevenSavage on August 6, 2018 at 1:38 AM

Carcer

:s/watch My Hero Academia/read Worm/

The Oracle

12:05 PM

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Q: What's wrong with my quotation marks and apostrophes?

About an hour ago, I asked a question on rpg.meta.stackexchange. As many times before, my question was edited by another user. I am always thankful when someone goes to the bother of cleaning up my messy questions. But I noticed one thing in particular, that always gets edited, not only in my que...

The Oracle

12:52 PM

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Q: How to tell someone about RPG.SE?

"Hey, I see that [some role playing issue] is bothering you, and you speak English. [Here] (link) is a good thread about it. You can also check out this web-site, it's full of interesting content about RPGs! It's a Q&A site, but it's not like Yahoo! Answers, really, just trust me, it's not bad! I...

discussion

ravery

1:02 PM

@Carcer being an Irish word it isn't anglisized. That is the problem with English vs other languages when importing words: English takes spelling and pronunciation. Most other languages change the spelling to fit their phonics set.

Carcer

@ravery what

ravery

@Carcer see the edit

Carcer

fair enough. I guess it's the same alphabet

ravery

@Carcer yes the same alphabet which is Greek in origin

Carcer

... we use the latin alphabet

ravery

1:07 PM

@Carcer and Rome took it from the greeks

Tiggerous

@Carcer Exactly the same - figure it's a temporary bug.

ravery

the latin alphabet has 29 letters

Carcer

okay, well, I'm not a linguist so we're outside my domain of expertise

BESW

Mmm. The one constant in English is that it's inconsistent. Many words are adopted more-or-less unchanged, others are mauled and mangled to fit contemporary expectations. The "standard" orthography itself is in less flux than it was prior to typesetting becoming prevalent in everyday life, but it's still in flux and subject to code-switching.

ravery

@BESW exactly

BESW

1:12 PM

A common example of English modifying words to match its orthography is to remove the accents from adopted words, because English doesn't use accents.

In many other languages, a character with and without an accent, a tilde, etc, are distinct and separate characters.

Carcer

yeah. My understanding of actual irish is that there are a bunch of accents so I generally assume that those are missing on such words rendered in English which is part of why the pronunciation is so wild

ravery

@BESW and words with and without accent mean two different thiings

BESW

You can see the slow adoption of these sorts of words very easily in the late 19th and early-to-mid 20th centuries, just by reading contemporary novels and seeing the diacriticals fall away--often more quickly in American publications than in British ones.

(You'll also see the use of italics to set aside words as foreign, and those same words treated as standard English vocabulary a decade later.)

(Or course, nowadays it's becoming more accepted to not use italics that way at all. This pleases me.)

ravery

rpg.stackexchange.com/a/129128/42354 would someone tell my why this got 2 down votes?

BESW

(Source: I'm a print/layout graphic designer in a multilingual workspace, and an amateur opinion-haver about the history of mystery and speculative fiction.)

ravery

1:19 PM

(I'm a bilingual teacher. I see many multilingual interactions.)

BESW

@ravery Yeah, I both work and live with composition instructors in a multilingual setting.

So I get that end of things as well.

....Though I've noticed that theory and praxis are very different on the mainland.

Carcer

@ravery brief one-line answers are discouraged (even when their content is technically accurate)

Tiggerous

@ravery I'm not a downvoter - but while your answer is correct, I suspect people didn't appreciate your brevity without showing any working. There's no way to be certain though without the people who downvoted themselves chiming in.

BESW

@ravery "Brevity is acceptable, but fuller explanations are better."

ravery

work? got to the site and make a first level character.

BESW

1:23 PM

That's great! Put it in. Teach a man to fish, etc.

Carcer

so you should've explained that you did that in your answer which is why you know it's using the wrong dice

ravery

ok I'll add it

Tiggerous

@ravery Agreed, it's not immediately clear from your answer that you've done that. You could even post a screenshot showing their error if it would support your answer.

Carcer

good answers justify why they're right (by showing references or working out) rather than simply stating a fact without evidence

BESW

My pre-made comments for answers include

> - Please [edit] in sources for your information.
- The Stack wants answers which connect all the dots, without leaving anything as an exercise for the reader.

ravery

1:27 PM

ok, is the revision goot?

Carcer

that's better

can't guarantee you that downvoters will come back and change their minds, though it has happened on an answer I posted a while ago where halfway through I completely forgot the rules and devolved into spurious nonsense that had to be edited out

Tiggerous

It's awfully easy to devolve into spurious nonsense - especially if, like me, your problem is definitely not brevity.

BESW

1:47 PM

I think, strictly speaking, 'spurious nonsense' would be accurate and germane.

Carcer

in my defence I think I was thoroughly overheated while writing it and I did immediately correct myself when the nonsense was pointed out

I think it's definitely fair to say that I'm prone to rambling and I have difficulty being appropriately brief, but I like to think my spurious nonsense is kept to a minimum

Tiggerous

I'm sitting in my lounge tryiing to 'work from home' and the thermostat says 30 - will this summer never end?

Luke Sommers

CAMPAIGN BASED ON THE ADDAMS FAMILY

Sorry, had to get that out.

ravery

@LukeSommers that sounds fun

Luke Sommers

@ravery Even just characters based on them. Would be great for CoS.

David Coffron

1:55 PM

@Tiggerous here in the U.S. I read that as Fahrenheit and was very confused for about half a second

BESW

@LukeSommers Charles Addams, Jones/Astin, or Huston/Juliá?

ravery

@LukeSommers that would be two vamps, a flesh golem, a half-giant, an animated hand. what would Uncle Chester be?

Tiggerous

@DavidCoffron It's ridiculously warm by UK standards. I've spent hotter summers in the US (Up to like over 100 Fahrenheit) but my cousins have air con there - that's not common here (largely because weather like this is so unusual), I mean everyone has it in their cars, but hardly anyone in their houses.

Luke Sommers

@BESW Huston/Juliá

BESW

Not bad. I pull for Jones/Astin myself, but it's a close race.

Luke Sommers

2:01 PM

@ravery Fester?

BESW

I feel like the Jones/Astin Addams Family might be a good touchstone for a Golden Sky Stories hack.

ravery

@LukeSommers ah yes Fester, the mountain of hair

Tiggerous

Oh I think they fixed achievements.

(For anyone else that was experiencing problems)

Luke Sommers

@ravery Fester is the bald one... that's Cousin Itt

And he would be a halfling

Itt would, I mean.

ravery

@LukeSommers I thought it was the hand....

Luke Sommers

2:04 PM

What would Pugsley and Wednesday be?

@ravery That's Thing

ravery

@LukeSommers got it :D

Luke Sommers

Lurch could be a goliath

ravery

@LukeSommers I was thinking half-giant

Luke Sommers

@ravery Is that a race in 5e?

ravery

not an official one

Luke Sommers

2:06 PM

Ah.

ravery

but I think I did see it somewhere

NautArch

@LukeSommers I'd say maybe Firbolg, too. But not enough hair on Lurch.

ravery

half-orc might fit

Luke Sommers

@NautArch Perhaps Half-orc but their other parents is an elf because he's so tall and lanky?

Carcer

@Tiggerous my life is suffering at the moment. It's 30 at pretty much all times in my flat at the moment, even during the night when it is cooler outside, because I've got this damn iguana vivarium acting as a giant space heater

plus humidifier because he's got to keep it tropical in there but it's not well-sealed

Luke Sommers

2:09 PM

Tiggerous

@Carcer Someone needs to invent insulation that only works in the winter - I'm in a mid-terrace and can't lose the heat at all.

Carcer

@Tiggerous that would be a blessing

Luke Sommers

i.pinimg.com/originals/91/20/67/… Honestly this is such a mood

ravery

@Tiggerous well, actually insulation works both ways. open the windows at night to let cold air in, then close them in the morning. thould keep cool until noon atleast

Tiggerous

@ravery Opening windows and doors at night, it's not got below 28 for days, it's hotter inside than out in the mornings.

ravery

2:12 PM

unless you are in a dark colored building

Carcer

yeah. At the moment night time is slightly cooler than day but not by so much that opening your windows appreciably changes things

I have never considered moving to scotland quite so seriously as in the last couple of weeks

BESW

The ability to take advantage of environmental cooling is often stymied by architectural inconsideration.

Tiggerous

We moved South a few years ago, the difference is noticable (that and the house prices)

BESW

I grew up in a house in a very windy position, but the house was positioned on the lot to make it nearly impossible to take advantage of that.

ravery

@BESW the inside walls would have to be positioned to facilitate a cross wind also, for best effect

BESW

2:17 PM

Aye.

The local building style pre-war was very good at using the local conditions for comfort.

After the war, though, mainland style architecture became the norm while rebuilding.

Luke Sommers

Gomez: Human wizard, Morticia: Elf Sorcerer, Pugsley: Dwarf Barbarian, Wednesday: Kenku Druid, Fester: Tortle Warlock, Lurch: Goliath Fighter, Thing: Gomez's Mage Hand

BESW

Thing is clearly a human rogue who put a ring gate in a box.

Luke Sommers

Ring gate?

ravery

@LukeSommers don't forget the pet dragon under the stairs

Luke Sommers

@ravery And their baby dragon

BESW

2:24 PM

@LukeSommers Ring gates are a pair of hoops. What you pass through one hoop comes out the other.

Luke Sommers

@BESW So basically a portal? But you see, Thing travels outside the box.

BESW

Only in the films.

ravery

@BESW right in the series thing was always in the box, handing things out or taking them

Luke Sommers

But who is the rogue then? Why are they helping?

NautArch

@LukeSommers It's better not to ask that question :)

BESW

2:27 PM

They're family.

That's the whole point of the Addams family: they're loving, supporting, well-adjusted folks who just have a rather odd aesthetic.

Luke Sommers

New gothic trinket: Thing

BESW

They're nicer, friendlier, more welcoming and supportive, than their supposedly normal upstanding neighbours. That's the gag.

ravery

@LukeSommers I'd say the box is like a bag of holding, and Thing is the "keeper". I remember Thing could produce just about anything they needed

Luke Sommers

Yeah, that was one of my favorite parts.

@ravery Did he?

ravery

@LukeSommers If I am remembering correctly, Thing was always pulling things out of the box that Gomez needed ... paper, pens etc

Luke Sommers

2:30 PM

@ravery Gotcha

BESW

@LukeSommers This is why I think it'd be great for Golden Sky Stories.

Luke Sommers

@BESW What's golden sky?

Tortle+a shield+Shield Spell=24 AC

BESW

Golden Sky Stories is a Japanese TTRPG about child-like shapeshifter animals who try to help the people in their village overcome obstacles and be happy.

Luke Sommers

Oh, ok.

BESW

The game's version of "experience" is based on being useful or adorable, and your stats increase based on how many friendships you have and how strong they are.

Luke Sommers

2:33 PM

Interesting.

BESW

The first time I played, we went into the woods to play and found a fox spirit who was lonely because nobody visited her shrine anymore.

She tried to force us to stay and play with her forever, but we took her into town for tofu instead.

Luke Sommers

Cool!

I want to make... A Tortle Cleric

kviiri

My new office is in a place that seems to be popular with really rad buskers.

Two teenager girls playing "I kissed a girl" on violins is one of the highlights of today

David Coffron

@LukeSommers Tortles are... a weird race

Luke Sommers

@DavidCoffron Why's that?

BESW

2:37 PM

I only know one professional busker, but he's from your area.

Luke Sommers

Also I found this:

vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/emerald-isles/images/8/8d/…

kviiri

@BESW I remember you mentioning him :>

David Coffron

@LukeSommers because they have abilities that don't work well in 5e. Hiding in your shell is rarely a good tactic and the natural armor is usually inferior to regular armor for the classes where it matters (although it helps for like wizards and stuff)

Luke Sommers

@DavidCoffron I suppose.

kviiri

There was also a reggae duo, and a saxophonist. My previous office's corners only had one guy with an accordion and a 20 second loop.

David Coffron

2:40 PM

@LukeSommers don't get me wrong. I had lots of fun with my Master Uugweh turtle monk a little bit ago, but that was because of the roleplay. The mechanics of the race are weird

Luke Sommers

@DavidCoffron Good to know

kviiri

I am somewhat alarmed by high AC, especially when strong defense is acquired at the expense of a strong offensive. It's fishy from the design POV, because it's ostensibly balanced but still introduces problems (of stalling, mainly)

Luke Sommers

@kviiri Ah. I don't really see a use for retracting into the shell

Have you guys seen the Gith?

Githyanki Rogue... Sneak attack uses a finesse weapon, but you don'thave to use DEX for it

That invisible mage hand is just... cool

kviiri

@LukeSommers A rogue probably wants dex for defense anyway

Luke Sommers

@kviiri True.

Githzerai Cleric?

David Coffron

2:50 PM

@kviiri I mean the Githyanki get medium armor so you don't need too much

kviiri

@DavidCoffron they do? That's a good point then

David Coffron

@kviiri it's a little MAD, but not too bad just pop 14 in for dex and STR and ur set

ravery

@LukeSommers en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thing_(The_Addams_Family) ... perhaps the rogue with a ring gate is a better mechanic for Thing.

David Coffron

@ravery thing is probably a crawling claw familiar.

All the stuff he fetches are in his pocket dimension

(The movie version that is)

ravery

3:06 PM

@DavidCoffron In the series, he is most noted for fetching the mail and giving/lighting cigars for Gomez among other things. He emerges from various boxes within the house.

I was thinking along those lines until I found the wiki ... which says he's a moster to horrible to see, except for his hand

Carcer

I guess the film is going to be the version most people are familiar with now, though.

films, rather.

ravery

@Carcer true

Luke Sommers

4:25 PM

Anelyen Aldaviel is a 173 years old female high elf paladin.

She has a bald head and red eyes.

She has soft, ghostly, white skin.

She stands 165cm (5'4") tall and has a skinny build.

She has a square, attractive face.

She has 3 badly done piercings on her right ear.

She is albino.

She discretely worships Angharradh, Goddess of spring, fertility, planting, birth, defense, wisdom. (Chaotic Good)

She is very impatient.

She constantly looks for the loophole.

She never knows the current time and date.

She has story about her god for every occasion.

Used an NPC generator, got a perfectly good character idea

Probably Oath of the Ancients

Carcer

makes sense, with the deity

Luke Sommers

Coins is a 35 years old female kenku rogue.

She has blue eyes.

She has shiny dark gray feathers.

She stands 144cm (4'8") tall and has a regular build.

She has a square, slightly unremarkable face.

She has slightly long nails.

She discretely worships Kelemvor, God of death and the dead. (Lawful Neutral)

She would rather act than talk or think.

She is incredibly lazy.

She goes out at night secretly looking for grass.

I'm liking this generator

Carcer

"discretely"

she either does or doesn't worship kelemvor

no half-worshipping here

Luke Sommers

Worshipping in secret

Sdjz

@LukeSommers Requesting a link to this generator

Carcer

4:34 PM

that would be "discreetly"

discrete and discreet are different words.

Luke Sommers

@Sdjz npcgenerator.azurewebsites.net

Carcer

(though often confused)

Luke Sommers

@Carcer Sorry, thank you

Sdjz

@LukeSommers thank you!

Luke Sommers

No problem

I just got an atheist cleric... how?

Carcer

4:35 PM

heheh

WELL, depending on the precise edition of the game and setting you're playing in...

Luke Sommers

@Sdjz Go to occupation and put "Class"

Carcer

from 3e clerics/paladins have been able to be devoted to an ideal rather than a specific deity

Luke Sommers

@Carcer Hm?

Oh.

Carcer

(though Forgotten Realms has always had the setting-specific rule that divine spells are ALWAYS granted by a patron of some kind)

Luke Sommers

@Carcer What are Warlock Spells classified as?

Carcer

4:37 PM

warlocks are arcane casters

Luke Sommers

Oh, ok.

Carcer

but they're a special case of arcane magic

NautArch

@LukeSommers I don't think you can reasonably be an atheist in D&D.

Carcer

depends on how you define atheist

NautArch

You can reasonably NOT worship a god, but not believing in them is a pretty big stretch.

Carcer

4:38 PM

plenty of people (and indeed in some official settings) have made the reasoned argument that whatever the "gods" are, they're not GODS, they're just really powerful wizards or whatever

NautArch

@Carcer isn't it a lack of belief in gods?

Luke Sommers

@NautArch Oh, sorry. It said she doesn't worship a god. But hey, my bard doesn't believe in magic.

Carcer

in a setting with magic you can deny something's divinity without necessarily denying that it is powerful

Sdjz

Hm I just got "She doesn't worship any god." and "She will share her god's wisdom when appropriate." together. Wonder how that works?

Carcer

@Sdjz She's a militant atheist nihilist?

Rubiksmoose

4:39 PM

Possibly of interest:

NautArch

@Carcer THat's an interesting point.

Rubiksmoose

6

Q: What's the term for a character who doesn't worship or pledge allegiance with any gods?

My character believes and accepts the fact that there are multiple deities responsible for creating and influencing the world. She acknowledges their existence, powers, capabilities, and the like, but she doesn’t worship or pledge allegiance to any one of them in particular. Is there a commonly ...

pathfinder dnd-3.5e terminology religions-and-deities

NautArch

@Rubiksmoose But if we go with @Carcer's thought that they believe there are entities out there acting like gods, but are not gods.

Rubiksmoose

Mar 13 at 18:50, by doppelgreener

D&D has a unique definition it uses for atheists which is more in tune with the real-world term for anti-theism (https://rpg.stackexchange.com/a/116133/1204). Atheists acknowledge the gods but actively oppose worship of them.

Carcer

I think there's probably a planescape faction that has that explicit philosophy

Luke Sommers

4:41 PM

I just got a pacifist fighter

Carcer

It's definitely not an original idea on my part, but it's one worldview that isn't implausible in your standard fantasy world

Rubiksmoose

The whole conversation is interesting as I remember it starting from here

Luke Sommers

He has a dog companion named Stitch

Rubiksmoose

I allowed a player to have this kind of philosophy once. An Aasimar Mystic who basically believed that the Gods were just really powerful braggadocious wizards who like people worshiping them. He had more to it than that but thats the gist.

Luke Sommers

@Rubiksmoose I was told about a campaign where there was a healer and he only healed people if they worshiped him, he eventually became the god of sex, drugs, and rock and roll.

Rubiksmoose

4:46 PM

That sounds pretty fun lol

Luke Sommers

Dragonhunter is a 56 years old female goliath paladin.

She has a bald head with tribal tatoos and golden eyes.

She has rugged white skin.

She stands 219cm (7'2") tall and has a muscular build.

She has an edgy, typical face.

She gestures profusely during a conversation.

She is missing three fingers from her left hand.

Interesting Idea

Carcer

IIRC, Eberron has always had the position that people generally assume the gods exist, but there's never any direct evidence to the fact - clerics sure can cast divine spells, but how do you know they're getting their power from gods?

Luke Sommers

@Carcer WARLOCK SUGARDADDIES

Carcer

so that's a setting where you'd expect a certain amount of atheism, too.

Luke Sommers

That's all I have to say to that

Carcer

4:48 PM

also IIRC there's an entire kingdom in the pathfinder default setting of Golarion which renounced the gods and declared they were all shite and not really gods? (coincidentally, the kingdom is blighted by drought and famine and such nasty gubbins).

David Coffron

@Sdjz perhaps she shares her gods wisdom as she would share her grandmother's. She doesn't worship her grandmother but respects her wisdom.

Luke Sommers

I just got the best one

Fortbreaker is a 18 years old male goliath druid.

He has a bald head with gorgeous tatoos and golden eyes.

He has smooth, sunburned, golden skin.

He stands 235cm (7'8") tall and has a massive build.

He has an edgy, very unremarkable face.

He has an unfinished tattoo of a poem about freedom on his left arm.

He proudly worships Corellon Larethian, God of elves, magic, music, arts, crafts, war, poetry, bards, warriors. (Chaotic Good)

He is constantly trying to outdo himself.

He takes everything at face-value.

He spends a lot of time studying other religions.

He is a secret vegetarian.

He has a joke for every situation.

And he's gay and married and I, for one, support him

NautArch

@Rubiksmoose Is there a source for that 'quote'?

Rubiksmoose

@NautArch Not besides what I linked IIRC

Carcer

ah yeah here we go: pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Rahadoum

Luke Sommers

4:55 PM

"He rarely speaks.

He has a joke for every situation." So... he just chuckles to himself a lot?

FastCharacter is interesting

NautArch

@Rubiksmoose I put in a comment asking.

That's a pretty bold statement to not be supported by a quote.

David Coffron

@NautArch I think there is something on atheism in the PHB. rummages

David Coffron

5:30 PM

@NautArch nope nothing I could find

Rubiksmoose

@NautArch Fwiw that link is a Pathfinder/3.5 question not 5e.

David Coffron

But a real-world-definition atheist could be kind of fun in D&D. Kind of like a flat-earther: deny proposed evidence and believe that clerics and the like are all part of a grand conspiracy (using a form of magic that they just claim is divine)

NautArch

From Oblivious Sage: "@NautArch I know there is one, I would have to go digging for it. Atheism in that sense is fairly rare, since it's a good way to piss off pretty much every deity regardless of alignment"

Should I suggest they remove that from their answer? Seems disingenous

okeefe

A comment isn't really their answer.

Sir Cinnamon

@NautArch I think it really requires a citation to sit up there

okeefe

5:35 PM

I'm unconvinced many gods would care what one unaffiliated creature thinks, besides.

NautArch

@SirCinnamon I just commented that. I'm unsure about downvoting.

Sir Cinnamon

@NautArch Yeah I guess see what he says

NautArch

@SirCinnamon Yeah, I'll leave it as no-vote until I see a response/action.

kviiri

@DavidCoffron At least DnD 4e makes a point out of exactly that - Invokers are explicitly stated to be the only Divine class to be directly and consistently aware of their god's existence. The others are guided by faith, while the Invoker knows.

Faith both in that the god actually exists and that it leads the cause as believed by the cleric.

(Or Avenger, etc)

Sir Cinnamon

@kviiri Imagine being a paladin and having some high-and-mighty invoker trying to brag at you

ick

kviiri

5:43 PM

@SirCinnamon Heh :D

David Coffron

@okeefe some would. And in the Forgotten Realms they get some of their power from worship so they likely prefer non-atheist (but would only actively be opposed to people who worship their enemies in most cases)

kviiri

I need to leave for a moment

Colin Gross

@DavidCoffron Like the priest in Erik the Viking?

David Coffron

@ColinGross not familiar

Colin Gross

Erik the Viking - Doors of Valhalla

►

David Coffron

5:55 PM

@ColinGross I'll look after work :)

Rubiksmoose

6:27 PM

I've modified the class feature question to better reflect OP's desires. I'm not sure what to do with it beyond that honestly. Hopefully it at least clears up some of the confusion around what OP is actually asking for though.

Carcer

1hopefully

though I have to admit

even if the question WAS what people were reading it is - "Can I choose whether or not to use my class features?" - the judgement that "this question is too broad, you need to pick a specific class feature and then we can tell you whether or not you can choose to use it" is predicated on the assumption that there is no general rule which says whether or not you can choose

compare and contrast to rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/82726/… this question

"Is there a general rule about repeating saving throws"

if the same logic had been applied to this question, it'd be closed for being too broad and we'd demand to know which effect was causing the saving throw so we can tell them whether or not it says you can repeat it

it seems absurd to close a question asking "is there a general rule about X" as being too broad because it doesn't scope itself down to a specific subset of X. It's acceptable for the answer to just be "no, there's no general rule, it's always individually clarified"

Yuuki

"Does X exist" questions always feel weird to me.

I'm not sure I can place why, but there's something about them that bothers me.

Colin Gross

@Yuuki It's a form of "let me google that for you" ?

Rubiksmoose

Agreed. And I really don't think this one does. (though that is no necessarily a reason to close it)

Yuuki

Eh, I really dislike lmgtfy links. They're rather rude.

David Coffron

6:40 PM

@Yuuki what links?

Carcer

"let me google that for you"

Yuuki

@DavidCoffron This website.

Rubiksmoose

@Yuuki They are distinctly rude in fact. I would definitely flag any comment/answer that posted them. Though, I think Colin was just talking about the type of question, not suggesting the use of that site.

Carcer

e.g. lmgtfy.com/?q=lmgtfy

Yuuki

It basically shows an animation of someone typing a search term into Google and then sends you to a Google search results page.

Carcer

6:41 PM

but using it as an actual response to someone definitely falls afoul of the code of conduct

GreySage

@Yuuki It's rude, but oh so appropriate a lot of the time.

Carcer

as a not-very-subtle put down

I find them appropriate sometimes in some circumstances but it's definitely in violation of the atmosphere/tone we're trying to achieve on SE at least

Yuuki

It comes across as one of those old-school passive-aggressive "I totally showed those non-IT people" things back when everyone on the Internet had the maturity of a pre-adolescent.

Carcer

@Yuuki would you have that feeling about a question like "[dnd-3.5e] is there a feat or ability that lets me apply my charisma bonus to damage rolls?"

or even "Are there any general rules about being on fire?" (yes in the case of previous editions, no in the case of 5e)

Yuuki

@Carcer Yes, but I'm not sure if the bothering feeling comes from the style of the question or that someone wants +CHA to damage.

I fully realize that this is somewhat hypocritical as a person who is currently playing a Hexblade.

Rubiksmoose

6:52 PM

fwiw I can't even find something vaguely like what they are looking for. And I have serious doubts that Crawford ever said anything like it in general. Even for a specific class feature it seems very very suspect to me.

Maybe Merls.

nitsua60

@Yuuki I think in one meta I said something about "it's not even a 'read the book to me' question, it's a 'read the TOC to me question.' "

Carcer

my personal guess is that's probably something mearls said offhand in the context of a specific class feature

I don't believe there actually has been a general statement about whether or not you can choose to benefit from a class feature

David Coffron

@Carcer Mearls does that kind if thing a lot and often has to backtrack tbh

Carcer

I've definitely personally argued for allowing characters to not use their learned class features in circumstances where they don't want to, so I'm pretty sure I spent a little while searching for anything that would back that up, and I don't remember it

nitsua60

But the easier (politer?) way to handle something like that is to point out how often they usually fall afoul of XY problemhood. "Does X exist" is almost never a problem one's having. "I'm trying to achieve Y (and I have an idea that X might be the way), how do I do Y" will get someone X if that's a good solution to Y, and possibly other good solutions. Which is better for our knowledgebase.

Carcer

6:57 PM

it's better for if you only actually care about a specific ability, but I think the question stands by itself - it is okay to ask about the general case if you genuinely want to know about the general case. See again the question I linked about repeating saving throws.

It's fine to use a "solving problems" approach to trying to clarify questions and get good answers, but I don't think every question needs to fit into a "solve my problem!" mould

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