TRPG General Chat

Ben

1:31 AM

Heyo

How was/is everybody's weekend?

trogdor

1:48 AM

It was ok

Not the best I've had but better than some

Ben

1:59 AM

Well hopefully they only get better from here!

In the next few weeks we'll all have fresh socks and underwear! Lol

trogdor

How obsurd, next you'll say some fat old man with a beard will give them to us, all while wearing red with an improbable flying vehicle pulled by wild also Improbably flying animals

What will you think of next?

Ben

2:15 AM

A mythical and ancient saviour that created a belief system based on teachings of "right and wrong", for which we gave praise to on this magical time of year.

Actually in the light of gift giving, my sister came up with a good plan - we do like a "Secret Santa" style thing where each person is assigned one person to buy gifts for. That way we can spend more money/time and effort on one person, rather than the same amount on everyone.

trogdor

I like that idea

But I'm afraid it won't help me much

I have difficulty every year getting many presents to people at all

Of course, it doesn't help that my family never tells me what they want

In fact this year when I asked my dad what he wanted he went and got it instead of telling me, and gave it to me to wrap for him XD

On one hand convenient, on the other it still feels bad man

Ben

2:31 AM

@trogdor Haha problem solved!

Nah I get that people can be difficult sometimes. I'm exactly like that too. Some of the things I do want are just material things, and I feel bad for asking for them, since for most of my life the things we get are things that we can use for a long time. My parents got me a full crockery set one year. It was great.

In light of that, a few videogames don't sound quite so meaningful.

trogdor

Same for me

I just ask for books usually

But then only my mother gets them, and a lot of them

More than I can read sometimes

Ben

Hahaha

My dad and I are like that. I buy him books, but then I usually end up reading them first anyway lol

trogdor

2:46 AM

Lol

That sounds a lot like my siblings and I

When we were kids we had to share a lot of books

Especially Harry Potter

Which, as I've mentioned a couple times around here, was one of the contributing factors to my decision to stop reading Harry Potter

Partly though, it just gave me extra time to realize it didn't grab Me so much anymore

Ben

Can I ask why?

V2Blast

My family doesn't really celebrate christmas

so I don't have this problem

BESW

Mmm, we tend to do the socks-and-underwear thing at Naw-Rúz.

trogdor

@Ben eh, I felt a little like the narrative spiked too fast, JK Rowling started writing Harry as an angsty teen who I didn't identify with as much anymore for one thing

KorvinStarmast

@Ben I like secret santa, it solves a lot of little details ... but it's best between adults.

trogdor

3:01 AM

And those books were big, And she kept writing more of them

Ben

@KorvinStarmast Yeah. It's not so "secret", we all know who got who. Lol. But yeah. It certainly makes things a lot simpler.

trogdor

And heck the whole chosen one narrative was starting to grate on me too

KorvinStarmast

@Ben And it allows you time to put some thought into a nice/special/appropriate gift.

Ben

I'd suggest having a look at the Bartimaeus Trilogy.

KorvinStarmast

@trogdor That's where frodo's character is to me so nice as a trope subversion: not the chosen one, he's the one who gets the manure load of 4000 years of the world's problems dropped into his lap

Ben

3:04 AM

Each book is decent size, about 400-500 pages.

@KorvinStarmast Exactly :D

KorvinStarmast

@trogdor so he has to ask for help. Mary sue doesn't have to ...

Ben

@KorvinStarmast That explains Gandalf's look when he volunteers. "Ohhhh my dear boy... you have no idea what you just signed up for"

KorvinStarmast

@Ben If you refer to the movie, yeah, but that wasn't quite how Tolkien wrote it

trogdor

For the record, I also dropped the Lord of the Rings trilogy on the second book

Though it wasn't because of Frodo

I found Tolkien a little long winded

KorvinStarmast

That was Ian putting some warmth into a character ....

trogdor

3:07 AM

For my taste at Least

KorvinStarmast

@trogdor So did people in the 60's ... it's a writing style that has fallen out of favor ... and he himself admits that he got lost in the first part of FOTR

He wrote for people who did not have tv

trogdor

I had similar problems with his stuff as I did when I tried to read the Illiad and the Odyssey

KorvinStarmast

Description was more important in the art of writing ..

@trogdor Of course, their styles were similar "epic" stuff

trogdor

I don't disagree

But,... Too much man

KorvinStarmast

I personally like cleaner / leaner prose styles ...

trogdor

3:09 AM

I have a vivid imagination, I don't actually like to get snagged on the family history of every character who shows up and so forth

I want the dang plot to move forward

KorvinStarmast

@trogdor heh, did Robert Jordan lose you as the series went on?

Ben

I read 3/4 of A Hobbit's Tale, then sort of just... didn't pick it back up. Lol. I enjoyed it in the parts that were not explained in the movie, which is part of what I love about reading so much (the HP movies would be so different if they'd kept Peeves). But yes, Tolkien's style is very descriptive. Part of his charm, but not for everyone

trogdor

If you have to slow it down for something make it an interpersonal problem or a personal demon or something

KorvinStarmast

@Ben "A Hobbit's Tale" ... what is that?

Shalvenay

hey there @KorvinStarmast

KorvinStarmast

3:11 AM

@Shalvenay howdy

trogdor

@KorvinStarmast I had to look him up, no I haven't even tried to read his stuff

Ben

@KorvinStarmast "The Hobbit"*

KorvinStarmast

@trogdor starts well, then loses himself in detail ...

@Ben then why did you call it that/

trogdor

Yeah just what I don't need

Ben

@KorvinStarmast It's been a while haha

I knew "hobbit" was in the title

KorvinStarmast

3:12 AM

@trogdor A lot of fans called it "the waste of time" series versus the official 'wheel of time' series

trogdor

I mean, don't get me wrong, I still want some description in my books, but the mark of a writer I like is knowing where to stop

Ben

@trogdor Jonathon Stroud is really good with that.

KorvinStarmast

@trogdor Which rowling never could ...

trogdor

@KorvinStarmast lol

Ben

Rowling wrote for her fans.

Shalvenay

3:14 AM

@KorvinStarmast how're the holidays going?

KorvinStarmast

@Shalvenay Not at the holiday yet, still working.

trogdor

I certainly don't want to criticize anyone who did like those books, it was just not interesting to me after the fourth one

Shalvenay

ah, well, I mean the season as a whole

KorvinStarmast

@Shalvenay last office party done, so I don't have to deal with that crap any more, nor does Mrs Starmast. We put up a few more lights today.

trogdor

Enough people liked Moby Dick to declare it a classic, I didn't like it very much either

KorvinStarmast

3:17 AM

@trogdor I read it, and enjoyed it, but I also saw the Gregory Peck movie ... and then I read billy budd.

Groan Melville should have entitled that "but I digress"

Elmore Leonard, mostly short stories, rarely uses too many words. I like that.

I have been assigned "kitchen clean up duty" so y'all be good.

Ben

@KorvinStarmast Don't make a mess!

In other news, I forgot to take my USB home this weekend, so I missed the opportunity to work on my game.

trogdor

@KorvinStarmast I could not get past the first part, he never even got on the boat before I had to drop that book XD

nitsua60

4:25 AM

The secret to reading and enjoying Moby Dick, I kid you not: it's bathroom reading.

A good year of fun little lightly-fictionalized vignettes on 19th century maritime life. Yes, please!

Light veneer of plot? Okay, if you must.

trogdor

I don't like to take a whole year to read a book though

I'm not @Ash fast but I usually take maybe two or three weeks at most to finish a book I like

Ben

It's something I've had to get used to.

trogdor

Usually less than that, a couple days maybe

Ben

Woooow

trogdor

It does depend on the book and on circumstances though

Ben

4:30 AM

Yeah, Even when I had no responsibilities I still didn't have enough time to do that. I would probably finish a 200 page novel in about a week - read a chapter or so each night

Nowadays though, I can only read on the bus, effectively.

trogdor

Yeah when I had no responsibilities I probably did finish some books in a day

If people let me

Reading was most of what I did for fun

Ben

Amy Santiago just popped into my head.

"50 books is not a lot. Wait... you said 15?"

trogdor

In a year?

That's not necessarily a lot In a good year, if I actually have enough books I like enough

The trick is not every year is good and not every book is that good

There is definitely a lot of differentiating circumstance

Ben

Personally I keep going back to Earthsea primarily.

But I did pick up a new Ravenor book recently. I still need to actually open it though. Haha

trogdor

I used to read a lot of Dragonlance and Animorphs

But now I actually find most series longer that 3 to 5 books can't keep my attention

Ben

4:37 AM

@trogdor The thing I loved most about Animorphs was the little flipbook images on the bottom corner. Lol

trogdor

I feel like most stories should be giving me some closure by then

@Ben lol, to each his own

Those were cool but I certainly wasn't buying the books for them

Ben

Redwall was also a favourite of mine.

trogdor

Never read that

Which is downright strange because I had a whole anthropomorphic mouse phase as a kid

Ben

Each book was its own story, I think there were one or two continuations, but each one was essentially a standalone, all set in the same world.

trogdor

I just didn't Know redwall was a thing until a few years ago

BESW

4:40 AM

Violent riddle-obsessed rodents with a racial-destiny culture.

Ben

Ah lol.

trogdor

Lol

Ben

It is a good series. I enjoyed them :)

BESW

@trogdor I'd recommend Martin the Warrior or Redwall, and don't worry about completion. After a few of them they get super repetitive.

trogdor

I probably would have still liked it at the time

BESW

4:41 AM

But yeah, they were fun pulpy popcorn reading when they weren't taking themselves too seriously.

Ben

@BESW There was one about Salamandastron. That one is worth a read too

trogdor

The Mouse and the Motorcycle was my favorite book for a while

BESW

@Ben If that's the one I think it is, it had far too many rabbits for my taste.

trogdor

I probably wouldn't find it so great anymore

BESW

I went into Salmandastron for badgers, damnit, and I just got a faceful of hare.

Ben

4:43 AM

Lol

trogdor

Lol

Death to the rabbits am I right?

BESW

The palindrome song was fun though.

@trogdor All the rabbits in Redwallverse seem convinced that they're stereotypical British soldiers stationed in Imperial India.

Ben

@trogdor There is a definite difference between "rodent" and... well "non-rodent"

The hares are somewhere in the middle if I remember.

trogdor

@BESW sheesh

BESW

I mean, almost everyone except the mice gets a tedious species-specific accent (the moles are offensively incomprehensible lower-class English mumbling slang, I think) but the rabbits were especially annoying.

trogdor

4:49 AM

Dang

Ben

@BESW I say! Wot wot!

BESW

@Ben Bo hurr.

Ben

As a teen sitting in the fiction aisle of the library on the floor, I didn't particular notice/care about all the racial connotations of the story. I just liked the adventure

BESW

I started getting twitchy when they had an entire book about nature/nurture.

> Veil may live to be evil and vile

Ben

@BESW was that the one about the mouse that found out he was the descendant of Martin or something?

BESW

4:53 AM

@Ben No, the one about trying to raise an orphan baby shrew in the mouse culture and hoping he won't turn out to be evil anyway.

Ben

Oh right.

Yeah.

BESW

The whole Martin/Matthias thing was less racial predisposition and more... spiritual reincarnation?

Ben

Yeah. That one was a bit of a letdown for me because the adventure of Martin was jam-packed with adventure and action (from memory), whereas that one was a lot less so.

Which was doubly disappointing since the cover was all shiny n stuff.

False advertising I say.

trogdor

Heh

Ben

So, to diverge from all that, I have finished my first edition of the Corruption system. The downside is that currently without the situation to apply it to, it can't really be tested.

So now I need to work on the rest

trogdor

5:04 AM

Cool

It seems pretty hard to test for

V2Blast

5:18 AM

Despite being aware of the Redwall series for a long time, I don't think I ever actually read it

SmokeDetector

9:01 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, pattern-matching website in body, potentially bad keyword in body (294): I used to have a lot of argument with my husband by fdgbdgdfg on rpg.SE (@doppelgreener)

BESW

9:54 AM

@SmokeDetector You know, I found these a lot funnier before I knew more about the commonplace superstitions about magic in places like Nigeria, and the real-life violence they encourage.

trogdor

yeeeeeaaaaaahh

not so funny in that context

BESW

Most of this "caster spam" figures right into those ideas: that magic is always selfish, that it's usually used for petty superficial desires at the expense of others, that it's an insidious pyramid scheme, that it's often used by women to control or influence the men around them...

trogdor

I hadn't ever heard of it being a pyramid scheme?

the rest of that was similar enough to how magic was seen by some places in Europe (maybe still is in some I dunno)

BESW

Well, it's supposed to be so tempting and seductive that it's treated almost like an infection: magic is a tool of the devil to bring people to evil.

kviiri

:These people need the magic of friendship

BESW

10:00 AM

And so even people associated with suspected magic-users may get targeted with terrible reprisals, to root the influence of the devil out of the community.

trogdor

ah

BESW

But yeah, the motives and effects of spellcasting in these superstitions that I know of, are basically what the spam describes. Unexpected barrenness or fertility, sudden death, sudden changes in relationships, the suspected magician coming into money or someone nearby losing money...

BESW

10:22 AM

(To be clear, these superstitions are often loosely derived from long-established indigenous beliefs but have been twisted and weaponized as a conversion tool by Christian missionaries and ministers in the last several decades.)

kviiri

10:36 AM

Many Christian denominations are rather hostile towards the idea of magic (even when it's clearly fictional, eg. in fantasy literature) which is rather strange given how many of them also revere a variety of miracleworkers

BESW

Mmm. I understand both the psychology and the dogma of what admittedly appears to an outside perspective to be randomly choosing "This magic but not that magic."

It's the psychology of it that really underlies the toxic variants--if you are not successful, the fault lies in harmful exterior influences.

kviiri

I understand it, but only superficially. I mean, I could see the exact same people traveling back in time to meet <miracleworker X> and condemning them in the same way they'd condemn modern folk healers

It has even actually happened that a person has been convicted of witchcraft and later they decided that nah it was actually good majicks (Jeanne d'Arc)

Granted, there was much politics involved

trogdor

@kviiri yeah, I have mentioned on here before how the highschool I went to didn't like my sci fi or fantasy books

@kviiri yeah for her, she was convicted of that in a foreign country that was at war with France wasn't she?

the way I remember the story, it was extremely political

kviiri

10:52 AM

@trogdor Yeah, it was a part of the Hundred Years' War (so primarily English fighting the French)

Of course, given how disunited the political climate of the time was, there was a complex network of factional allies on each side

trogdor

Yes that was it

But my point being I seem to recall that she was convicted of it by people who were on whatever side she was not on

kviiri

@trogdor yep (she was French, convicted by the English)

trogdor

Yeah

Just a couple days ago there was a brief conversation including the fact that the English and French haven't liked each other too much for,... A lot of history really

When I read just a little of that kind of thing, I'm frankly amazed they aren't still,... Really mad at each other

In a weird way I credit WWI and WWII just for making them need to worry about someone else

BESW

I think America's got a bit of a handicap, in terms of international relations, because we haven't had a thousand years of having to live next to our neighbours no matter our histories.

trogdor

Well,.... We still have a little bit of that with Canada and Mexico

But certainly not to the same degree

Still,... We stole a lot of land, including most if not all of Texas from Mexico in a really stupid war

I mean, I don't want to say other wars weren't stupid in their own way but that war was a little extra stupid compared to some

kviiri

11:04 AM

@trogdor Yuh

trogdor

And as far as Canada we kinda attacked them a little during our first war ever

Not that that really seems to figure in our relationship with them

kviiri

First it was the dynastic disputes (basically England's royalty had a claim on the French throne and some possessions on the mainland that the French wanted), then there was imperialist rivalry in the colonial race, then some religious strife (Church of England vs Roman Catholics), and then some more imperialist rivalry and then some guy called Napoleon came in

If I had to name a classic enemy of England though, I'd say Spain

trogdor

I must admit I know a little less about that

Though a rivalry at the very least with Spain makes sense

kviiri

Oh btw, regarding magic, we went to see the Grindelwald film yesterday

trogdor

Yeah?

kviiri

11:16 AM

I think they're really misguided trying to churn out FIVE of these (in total, so three more to go)

trogdor

Yeah I'm a little upset that they apparently scrapped or dumbed down some of the characters from Fantastic Beasts?

I liked that movie

This is the first I've heard of them making. Five though

kviiri

Yeah, the first one was good and had a much easier time being good. I think many moviegoers (myself included) were quite pumped about seeing the Harry Potter 'verse in 1920's America. It was novel and fun

trogdor

Talk about milking it

BESW

I hear they really flattened Redmane's performance down to "quirky weirdo."

Which is a shame because he was doing something in the first movie that you basically never see with male protagonists.

trogdor

Yeah but it apparently also wasn't just him

Just what I heard

kviiri

11:21 AM

@BESW yeah

BESW

And then there's The Depp Thing.

kviiri

The second one is considerably less good overall, and it also has none of the advantage in novelty the first had

I mean, we get shots of 1920's London, Paris and Hogwarts but it's not the same kind of new

The French wizarding commune is just the same old biz except everyone speaks French

And there's some really weird costuming gaffes; Grindelwald looks like a punk rocker from the 1970's or so, and Dumbledore wears a muggle business attire. Are we supposed to believe Hogwarts went through a "Muggle is in!" phase in the 1920's and then went back to quasi-medieval robes?

BESW

Is Dumblechump at least a fiery redhead?

trogdor

Lol

kviiri

@BESW Not very fiery nor red, but I think Jude Law had a decent performance. Though I'm predisposed to like him because I am weirdly fascinated by his earlier role as Pope Pius XIII

(from the TV series The Young Pope --- not a particularly good series from any objective standpoint, but I kinda enjoyed the subtly surreal air it had)

kviiri

11:50 AM

Thinking about it, I'd say the series' forte is feeling like a "so bad it's good" despite not actually being bad, just adequate. So it"s the best of one world plus the ok of another...

Quentin

1:58 PM

WotC++ - being responsive to Twitter questions (re rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/137503 )

Carcer

2:12 PM

[sets fire to boats]

NautArch

@Carcer hahahaha

As i just put in the comment thread, I think you're vastly underestimating the danger of fire on a wooden ship.

Carcer

I think it's the amount of fire that is the problem

if any significant part of the structure has caught that is definitely really bad

NautArch

@Carcer If you're igniting the two mainsails and their masts, that's a lot of fire.

Remember, this is seasoned wood with a lot of pitch.

Carcer

mm

NautArch

And once those sails and masts are gone...that ship is done.

Carcer

2:17 PM

fair enough. I'm not an expert on sailing vessels

it'd work in a movie so I feel it's still a valid suggestion

NautArch

and there's the whole D&D isn't simulationist

but with the requirement of not wanting to damage the ship much, that's a lot of damage.

and I'm pretty sure I know where Eric is going asking about magic items.

Carcer

well

the requirement of "not damage the ship too much" was edited into the question later by not the OP

the original question only specifies "without sinking it"

NautArch

@Carcer That was pulled from their comment.

Carcer

oh, so it was

he edited the comment and added that after I read it the first time and I didn't notice

blaaaah

NautArch

no good deed goes unpunished. But destroying the sails is the most obvious option. Gonna check spells and see what else there is, but very much hoping that magic items are okay and a simple immovable rod will do it.

Carcer

2:24 PM

I was wondering if Immovable Rod was what was being looked for

follow up question on that - how much does a two-mast sailing vessel mass?

cause a rod will only hold up 8,000lbs of ship

and my naive intuition says a ship may weigh more than that

NautArch

@Carcer d'oh. yeah, it will.

and there goes that idea

Carcer

also it seems a bit situationally difficult to deploy

having to get onto or in front of the vessel to drop the rod on it

NautArch

a mix of firebolt/fireball + control flames

actually, just adding control flames to your answer should remove the real threat. but then they just need to replace their sails and rigging

firebolt may be better than fireball to more strategically destroy the sails without doing more damage

@Carcer nah, just go into the hold somewhere

but still, the weight of the vessel is too much

Carcer

you still have to reach the vessel somehow

I have the impression this is a kind of pursuit situation

control flames seems good though

NautArch

oooh, i think i have an idea!

Carcer

2:31 PM

shorter range, but once the sails are gone closing seems easy

NautArch

Enlarge/Reduce - reduce the size of the sails/rudder or even ship itself!

Carcer

fire bolt + spell sniper for maximum range, closing the distance once sails disabled and using control flames to put out the fire before it spreads too much

NautArch

and enlarge/reduce can be immediately reversed, bringing it back to normal with no damage

Carcer

depends what you reduced

if the ship is an object, is everything its hold part of that object?

how does that react to being suddenly squeezed into half the space? (what about the crew?)

doppelgreener

Pertinent to the ship discussion thing is considering what happens when large burning objects fall on people

NautArch

2:41 PM

@doppelgreener ooh ooh, i know this! Bad things!

Rubiksmoose

@doppelgreener good things right?

doppelgreener

@NautArch A+

@Rubiksmoose D- see me after class

goodguy5

going to other stacks is weird

Rubiksmoose

Awww shucks

NautArch

@Carcer yeah, squeezing rules would come into play, but that may be why just doing it the rudder may be enough. Or to the sails.

it's a temporary hobbling.

goodguy5

2:44 PM

I know that a few of you guys are coders in some variety, If anyone has some input for my linux question, I'll give you an internet point.

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doppelgreener

@goodguy5 would this be useful?

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Rubiksmoose

Lots of funny options if the ship was a creature. Compelling Duel on the ship would be hilarious.

doppelgreener

@Rubiksmoose this is a good time for me to introduce my homebrew spell, Animate Ship

Rubiksmoose

Hahaha!

MikeQ

@goodguy5 Does this help

Rubiksmoose

2:52 PM

Casting darkness on the ship would certainly make things difficult...

David Coffron

@goodguy5 agreed. I've asked questions on Worldbuilding, Math, and English and they all feel like a foreign country.

goodguy5

@doppelgreener that is types of helpful. thanks ^_^

similarly for Mike

David Coffron

@goodguy5 I want someone receiving an award for something to go into the long winded explanation for why they are thankful for one person and then just say "similarly for [list of persons]"

goodguy5

ha

David Coffron

I so wanted catapult the anchor to be an answer for this, but deep water and ship size prevent it

Carcer

3:08 PM

yeah

control water should really do the trick

goodguy5

is a ship huge or gargantuan?

Carcer

gargantuan+

5e gets very vague about size at that point

goodguy5

dang

Carcer

especially something big enough to have two masts

goodguy5

It wouldn't technically qualify, but animate object would be a funny attempt

Carcer

3:13 PM

animate the sails and have them derig themselves?

I think I'll retire my answer, it doesn't fit very well with the requirement to minimise damage on reflection

NautArch

@Carcer had thought about ANimate, but it's a 5th level spell.

control water seems the obvious. darn my overthinking.

goodguy5

Hrm....

does resilient sphere resist being moved by inanimate objects?

NautArch

maybe not, just realized none of it is as secure.

goodguy5

like, if a train (or ship) hit something in a resilient sphere, would it move?

NautArch

they can either sail out of the area (maybe), or they'll get damage if they drop into the trench.

@goodguy5 Limits it to a large object

goodguy5

3:20 PM

@NautArch I was imagining hucking a large bouy in front of the ship and casting resilient sphere on it.

would the ship be able to move the sphere, because the ship isn't a creature

NautArch

@goodguy5 it'd just move around the sphere

goodguy5

@NautArch fair

Would a manned ship constitute as a "loose object" for the purposes of levitate?

Carcer

I think a manned ship is "attended"

MikeQ

3:35 PM

What about making a long-range illusion of the captain telling the crew to turn back

goodguy5

Now I'm imagining a ship trying to get a head start.

1. ready the ship for departure.
2. everyone leave the ship and roll down the ladders
3. have levitate cast on the ship (10 minutes)
4. everyone scramble back onto the ship
5. gust of wind
6. start air-sailing

NautArch

3:48 PM

@goodguy5 levitate is limited to 500lbs

a ship weighs A LOT MORE than that.

goodguy5

@NautArch I 100% forgot about the weight limit lol

how much do ships weigh, though

I just ditched an answer I was writing about Shape Water (cantrip).

doppelgreener

ships usually weigh several thousand tons. For example:

Italian training ship Amerigo Vespucci

The Amerigo Vespucci is a tall ship of the Italian Navy (Marina Militare) named after the explorer Amerigo Vespucci. Its home port is La Spezia, Italy, and it is in use as a school ship. == History == In 1925, the Regia Marina ordered two school ships to a design by General Lieutenant Francesco Rotundi of the Italian Navy Engineering Corps, inspired by the style of large late 18th century 74-cannon ships of the line (like the neapolitan ship "Monarca"). The first, the Cristoforo Colombo, was put into service in 1928 and was used by the Italian Navy until 1943. After World War II, this ship was...

goodguy5

getting a bunch of people to freeze the water around the ship.

doppelgreener

About 3,000 to 4,000 tons depending on its load ^

Bigger ships may weigh ten thousand tons or more

KorvinStarmast

I think that the question is a two master, perhaps a sloop, brig, or bark. I'll get a picture.

doppelgreener

3:52 PM

Small schooners may weigh only about a thousand tons

Well, this one appears to be only 350 tons:

Earl of Pembroke (tall ship)

Earl of Pembroke is a wooden, three-masted barque, currently used for maritime festivals, charters, charity fund raising, corporate entertaining and film work. == History == === Early years === Earl of Pembroke was built in Pukavik, Sweden as Orion in 1945 and used to haul timber in the Baltic Sea until 1974 when she was laid up in Thisted, Denmark. === Restoration === She was moved to the UK in 1980 where her full restoration began in 1985. As part of the restoration, her rig was changed from the original schooner to barque type (to resemble the famous HMS Endeavour on which Captain ...

KorvinStarmast

A schooner, I'll look back an rennaisance ships ...

doppelgreener

(So I guess several hundred tons for smaller vessels, several thousand for larger)

KorvinStarmast

A Caravel is more likely what a D&D ship looks like

nautarch.tamu.edu/shiplab/01George/caravela/htmls/…

MikeQ

you can have galleons or sloops too, D&D isn't limited to some specific real-world historical period

KorvinStarmast

@MikeQ I agree, but I was trying to place the two masted ship into the usual D&D context. You can also have longships. :) Vikings! And galleys! Ben Hur!

The question was about a two master. For some reason, my memory has galleons as having more than two masts, but that may have varied by nation ...

MikeQ

3:57 PM

It has a master sailor and a master gunner

Two masters

KorvinStarmast

@MikeQ As ever, we revert to pirates. This is a good thing. :)

kviiri

@MikeQ brother can I have some SLÖÖPS

goodguy5

4:33 PM

Is there a way that the success/fail rolling question is on topic?

MikeQ

@goodguy5 It's on topic because it's asking about tabletop RPGs

goodguy5

@MikeQ seems like a list question to me. But I'm not dedicated to it

Though, for my own curiosity and maybe an answer....

Random or non random.

Random is effectively a roll of some number.
The types of contests are under or over.
The types of dice are effectively infinite, but let's say 2-100, with a small caveat of 1000.
And the types of USING dice are either pooling or "single" dice, potentially with a static modifier.

non random includes static numbers (my 5 always beats a difficulty 4), payment of some kind (I've used 4 of my action points, I have 6 left), real life contests (such as rock paper scissors, trivia, etc), or strict narrative consequence.

thoughts?

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