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12:56 AM
Hmm... I feel like a "right" answer to this question would be "play a game that only has social scenes, like Microscope or (so help you) Dog Eat Dog."
 
1:07 AM
hey there @nitsua60
 
@nitsua60 Agreed.
 
1:22 AM
@eimyr You've made some great formatting choices - font, background, layout - that make it really easy to read.
 
 
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2:27 AM
hey there @Emrakul
 
2:38 AM
@Shalvenay hiya
 
@nitsua60 how're things going?
 
I'm ambivalent about the "longest running D&D game" question. I feel like it's been closed because of perceived "unanswerability," but I don't feel like answerability is really a criterion we should be using.
 
@nitsua60 yeah, it isn't
 
"Hard to answer," and "may never get a satisfactory answer" aren't closure reasons.
OTOH, its an underspecified question, because what's a "continuously running game"? So I'm not too hyped up about campaigning to reopen it.
 
@nitsua60 yeah
 
2:42 AM
It's probably closed for the wrong reason, but it should probably be closed.
Generally questions in that situation get a comment saying so, rather than a campaign to re-open just so it can find five other people to re-close it.
The effort/reward ratio isn't worth it.
 
@nitsua60 btw, while I'm game for this sunday, I'm not game for next sunday or the sunday after that, and I'm not sure when you need to start gearing up for the school year
 
@Shalvenay Me neither! We'll see how far two Sundays brings us =)
(With it being one-on-one, you can get through a lot, I find.)
 
@nitsua60 gotcha
 
2:59 AM
[citation needed]
 
3:30 AM
@BESW Thanks, will try this.
@nitsua60 Not everyone can afford throwing a bounty on every question with such an issue. A general way to fix this has to appear.
 
Not everyone has to, unless the problem is a lot more prevalent than it seems to me.
Again, you'll get a lot more traction when suggesting dramatic solutions to problems if you first give examples in support of there being a problem that's equally dramatic.
As I'm sure you know from your study of the Stack's documentation and the discussions on meta, the principle of a merit-based access to a hierarchy of moderation tools is central to its functioning. Only in isolated cases (such as beta sites) has this produced a situation where the people with the tools to handle a problem are overwhelmed by the number of actual problems needing to be solved.
(This is why access to moderation tools has been altered on beta sites: in response to a documented problem.)
If you can document the problem as a legitimate barrier to the site's functionality, then while your solution might not be the one implemented, you'll be able to start people looking for solutions.
But if you present a solution without supporting the need for it... nobody who matters is gonna pay attention.
 
4:10 AM
@Baskakov_Dmitriy I guess I don't see the problem as being as pervasive as you do--we must be seeing different questions. (With 14K of them, a good half of which are in my "ignored" tags, I have no doubt that it can be the case.) I only meant that anecdote as an illustration that there exist much "softer" ways of rectifying what one sees as an incorrect outcome. Leaving comments, posting one's own answer, posting a "is there something wrong with this question" on meta, bountying a question....
I think part of the difficulty of following your current meta Q: a lack of specificity. If you'd identified one question that you thought was problematic it'd probably have been hashed out to your satisfaction already. If you'd identified three or four, there'd probably still be discussion going. If you'd identified a dozen or two... well you might be starting to convince people that the system is broken, rather than just some edge cases needing TLC.
Again: in all of this I'm not saying "you're wrong." I'm just saying you haven't really helped us--or me, at least--see what you're seeing.
(Also recognize that what you've proposed is a fundamental change to the system that drives a HUGE set of sites: even if Moses came down with stone tablets saying "these are good ideas" it'd take a lot of explaining and convincing to get this function changed. Something that works this well for this many people and purposes will, naturally, treat any fundamental change as a possible existential threat.)
 
 
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8:12 AM
Welp, here's a plot hook.
$2 #usedbooks https://t.co/M5sh5MhvS5
 
 
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9:16 AM
@Miniman Thank you. Do you think I should use "read more" breaks to make the frontpage cleaner denser or do you think it's fine as it is?
 
I used to be a big fan of Read More breaks, but I'm not so much anymore.
 
I initially wanted to have a layout with tile-based posts, but it doesn't work very well with a sidebar and time-arranged posts
I'm considering shrinkingthe main posts to a 3-5 sentence blurb visible before you click the "read more" thing
Why did you stop being a fan, @BESW?
 
Mmm, interfaces have changed. "Read More" made a lot of sense in, eg, the days of LiveJournal friends pages.
But these days people use feeds for aggregating multiple sources of content and Read More is either irrelephant or actively messes with the feed's display.
So it's only to keep people from... reading all of your content when they're on your site.
Which means either you don't feel like your content is worth reading all of, or you've got some "must get more clicks" thing going on.
For people who want to see a broader overview of your articles, there's archive/calendar views, tag sorting, etc.
 
OR you want people to see a table of contents instead of contents
 
So what's Read More except a way to force me to click more in order to read the stuff on your front page?
 
9:23 AM
I see it mainly as a way to present more content to someone who's visiting
instead of forcing someone to scroll over a lengthy bit
 
Read Less! XD
 
 
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12:15 PM
Eyup!
 
12:44 PM
Happyness is so fleeting.
Yesterday in the evening the neighbor's cat came to our court and was super cute and kept playing with me and mom and pushing against our legs and being otherwise wonderful.
Or at least we think it was the neighbour's cat. They live across a hedge and a mechanic's workshop court, but that's where the cat ran away when dad turned the car on. And she was really sociable and had a well-kept fur so I'm pretty sure she was no stray cat.
Anyway, it is the first time she explores our courtyard in our presence and comes so near and I think I know why the Internet worships cats.
Yet, now the moment is gone. And I just wanted to tell someone, because this memory doesn't deserve being lost.
Also, nice cat headdress, @Pixie
 
We have a neighbourhood cat that occasionally comes into our garden and even into our house and bedrooms as if they were its. Originally I was averse to another being claiming ownership of my bedroom, but now I haven't seen cat in a few days, and actually at some point I saw a mouse in my bedroom instead, so cat would be very welcome back.
 
1:03 PM
(Is it maybe a tiger headdress?)
@Anaphory We didn't let her hin (she tried), and I hope she doesn't find the salami hanging in the cellar, whose entrance is not really hard to come by (especially if we want the car box to get some fresh air)
 
1:20 PM
@nitsua60 THanks. Will try to find more questions with such an issue. Then I will make a big-big-big proposal.
 
 
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5:11 PM
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Q: Why is this question too broad?

MalaWhy is this question too broad: Comprehensive list of Cleric and Wizard spells that deal lightning or thunder damage It has a small, explicit set of spells as answer.

 
6:10 PM
hey there @eimyr
 
hello
how are you?
 
@eimyr doing fine here, as for you?
 
not too bad
I just started shamelessly promoting myself around here
 
@BESW Not necessarily. I really, really appreciate "read more" breaks when I'm browsing on a phone or tablet.
@Zachiel Took me a minute to figure out what you were referring to. Hehe.
 
6:35 PM
@Zachiel A tiger or tiger cat, yep. From the front.
 
 
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10:34 PM
@Anaphory it's a little less unlikable when it actually is your own cat claiming your bedroom as it's own
still, I do complain about my (very fat) cat taking space in my bed. she only does it because she likes me, and because she likes comfortable places, but I do at least begrudge the space
I used to have dogs as a kid, and thought because of that that I liked dogs better, but having had dogs before, and house sitting for people with dogs, and having cats now and having house sat for people who had cats, I honestly see pros and cons of both
if you have a dog, more often than not it will like you
if you have a cat that fact will be taken less for granted,... unless your cat is like mine and obsessed with not letting you out of their sight for as much time in the day as possible XD
 
22 hours ago, by nitsua60
Hmm... I feel like a "right" answer to this question would be "play a game that only has social scenes, like Microscope or (so help you) Dog Eat Dog."
Alright, I've posted that answer. We'll see how it goes =\
 
11:18 PM
@Baskakov_Dmitriy Sounds good. When looking at a big-big-big proposal sometimes people pull together a draft (google doc, or dedicated chat room) and get some workshop feedback before even posting on meta.
 
hey there @nitsua60
 
@Shalvenay hiya
 
@nitsua60 how're things going?
 
Feeling nervous about the answer I just posted. Social things, I feel like I don't really have any credibility talking about. That feeling's nonsense, since I manage classrooms every day and probably have over a thousand hours "running" tables, but writing a social answer still feels like flying without a net.
 
@nitsua60 still grappling with the tension in my mind between narrative-management and the fourth wall
 
11:27 PM
TIL about "kawauso", otters in Japanese fokelore that liked to shapshift into severed human heads and let fishermen find them in their nets.
 
wow
sounds sufficiently trollish XD
 
@Shalvenay I'm grappling with the recent edit to this meta Q. I felt in the first instance like calling d7 out was pointless and non-constructive. Putting it back in seems downright aggressive. But I don't want to get into an edit war... =\
 
hey there @Emrakul
 
user61230
Hello, @Shalvenay!
 
@Emrakul how're things going?
 
11:32 PM
I'm considering leaving a comment along the lines of "naming one from among a group of close-voters is making me uncomfortable--can you either edit into the post why it's important that that one user cast a close-vote or remove the reference?" But I don't want to just be pouring gasoline onto a fire... =\
 
@nitsua60 On main-site, I'd agree that it should probably not be there. But for meta--the person does have a specific beef with SSD and I'm inclined to let them air their dirty laundry if they really want to.
 
user61230
@Shalvenay Busy as heck! I'm good, though. Just a bit tired, but glad for the weekend.
 
user61230
How about you?
 
@Emrakul doing alright.
 
user61230
Sounds decent. What've you been up to lately?
 
11:37 PM
@Emrakul giving Classic Traveller a shot with nitsua; also, wondering how to get out of my rut re: narrative management vs the fourth wall
 
@BESW Fair point. Meh. Moving on....
 

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