TRPG General Chat

12:04 AM

@eimyr oh, I forgot to tell you, I'm running a game on Twitter now. It's basically a choose-your-own but using the poll system. So everyone is voting what happens next :) It's really basic, but it's fun

@eimyr I'd love to have you as a player. I really want to kick a few of mine for inactivity.

eimyr

haha

I'd love to be your player.

Esp. that we are in similar timezones

@Shalvenay how about head-first warriors? Think Warboys from Mad Max.

Shalvenay

@eimyr not so much. lots of traps and other such things, not so much combat

Zachiel

@eimyr blue stripes combat jacket, heavy leather trousers, worn leather boots, herbalist's trousers

level 8

dagger throwing 1/2, parrying 2/2, fortitude 2/2, arrow redirection 1/2; position 1/2

eimyr

@Zachiel ouch

No wonder you are no match for endregas.

That sounds like a character that should be able to deal with nekkers and some weaker bandits

but endregas are scary at this point

Zachiel

12:19 AM

regular and soldier endregas I can take

I'm on Easy, after all

eimyr

oh

right

well done!

endrega mothers are out of reach until you find better weapons

you won't kill them quickly enough

also, against endrega mothers Yrden is your friend

Zachiel

I'm probably too set on ending all side quests before risking to trigger the next chapter

eimyr

You won't trigger the next chapter without knowing

I mean... you'd have to really not pay attention

you probably know that you can support the elves or the army

I'd play freely until you have to commit for the first time

Zachiel

12:36 AM

I'll probably reach that point in some years

eimyr

tw2 is not awfully long

trogdor

even if you do all the side quests?

eimyr

it's not like Skyrim.

trogdor

lol

eimyr

with all the sidequests... I don't know really how many hours it takes.

Zachiel

12:43 AM

It's just that I don't play much

eimyr

But i'd say it's about mass effect 2 length

trogdor

that's not a bad game length

I am pretty sure I found all the side quests in Mass Effect 2 and it didn't take tooooo long but it was a decent length with all of them

luckily I never played 3 XD

eimyr

yeah

I liked ME3 actually

more than ME2

trogdor

even the ending?

eimyr

Well...

trogdor

12:46 AM

I have heard the ending was bull

eimyr

Even the ending.

At first I just swallowed the ending for what it was

trogdor

like, no choice you make makes any difference in any way

eimyr

and wasn't too disappointed.

Then the enhanced version came out and I was a bit more disappointed

Zachiel

@trogdor yes! Finally a game with no reply value!

trogdor

to be fair, choices in mass effect never did as much as they were hyped to do

@Zachiel XD

eimyr

12:47 AM

You know, there is a bias in that "you choice doesn't matter" thing

Because in ME3 if you made bad choices in previous two, you can still save the galaxy

e.g. if you let people die

which is a good thing

Zachiel

I hate having to play again just to see the different endings. (Yet for some weird reason I like it in Diablo II, maybe because you use different characters)

eimyr

and then all players have that outlook of "Oh, I made all the right choices and it MADE NO DIFFERENCE"

of course it made no difference

it's an end-of-the-world scenario

trogdor

I like being able to get different ending in a game if it doesn't mean you have to play through all the way again to do it

eimyr

@Zachiel you won't like The Witcher then...

Miniman

My biggest beef with the ME3 ending is from a gameplay POV, not a story onee.

trogdor

12:49 AM

like in BoF3 there are 2 different endings, you can just save right before the only choice that matters

eimyr

your choices in prologue affect the ending, and there is 16 different ones

My biggest ME3 pet peeve is the From Ashes DLC, which is a blatant cutout.

Zachiel

@eimyr there are choices in the prologue?

Miniman

There's no epic climactic battle, just this crappy survival thing followed by semi-interactive cutscene bullshit.

eimyr

I understand Day One DLC is not a bad thing.

Zachiel

I mean, apart from the guy I saved

eimyr

12:50 AM

@Zachiel that's the one

Then every chapter has another important choice

but chapter 2 is actually two chapters, I don't know if you realise

depending on who you side with, you play an entirely different story in quite a different location

sorry, there's 8 endings, not 16

unless you count a pretty major Flotsam choice, which does not have an impact on the ending, but on your own perception of that chapter actually

@Miniman You sound like me when I first heard of Call of Cthulhu: "What do you mean you don't get to fight the elder gods?"

Shalvenay

@eimyr and I'm the guy who wants to sit in Cthulhu's lap. :P

Miniman

@eimyr I mean, that's what Call of Cthulhu is. But Mass Effect is all about epic climactic battles, which makes it pretty pathetic that the trilogy didn't end with one. Even the Reaper battle on Rannoch would have been a better way to finish it off.

Zachiel

@eimyr I have never plyed past flotsam

eimyr

@Zachiel have you finished Flotsam at least?

@miniman True. I'm not saying this is the best game or story ever. It's just the best universe ever.

Miniman

@eimyr That's a pretty big call. I mean, I enjoy Mass Effect (2 and 3, anyway) a lot, and it's one of the games I've replayed a fair number of times. But I'd hesitate to label it the best anything, really.

eimyr

1:01 AM

Well, what can I say. I am yet to encounter an universe which I like better.

Video game-wise, that is.

And I consider Witcher-verse a book one.

Zachiel

@eimyr no, I went to the major's, failed to sneak to the crates on the back of the house, collected the monster's goo at the river and that's all.

eimyr

1:31 AM

@Zachiel Then there is done pretty intense story ahead.

nitsua60

2:18 AM

tonight's request to the internet... a book request: looking for something to educate a layperson on west-Asian cultures in the 2500-500(ish) BCE timeframe.

BESW

[squint] All of them?

nitsua60

I'll throw out a list, which may convince you of my ignorance if you know anything about the time period: Assyrians, Medes, Edemites, Akkadians, Hittites, Sumerians, Amonites, Cimmerians, Persians, Babylonians, Scythians.

@BESW I don't know... where would you start?

BESW

Gosh. I'd have to start by drawing random lines in the sand to define "west Asia." Is India in that?

nitsua60

I'm listening to a podcast centered largely on Cyrus the Great and am painfully aware of how little I learned in Ancient & Medieval History in 9th grade. I don't understand the world in which he lived.

BESW

Ah, okay. I was just about to ask what prompted the curiosity.

nitsua60

2:23 AM

@BESW Since the end-goal is a context for Persian developments, I'd suppose India's out, but definitely hope to learn more about the steppe peoples. So that expands the geographical coverage all the way through Siberia and Western China, likely!

Egyptian kingdoms might even be in, I suppose?

Also, that time-frame might be laughably-large, but it's also a reflection of my ignorance =)

BESW

Hmm. I'm not a big expert on the time period myself.

Sounds like you might want to start with a Who's Who of the nations and peoples that Persia was in regular contact with at the time.

IE: trade routes.

Then use that to build a list of who to get a general understanding of and who to study deeper.

nitsua60

I've got that: the podcast host kindly provides show notes and even his reading list (scroll down) from show-prep. The problem is I can't judge which one or few from among the thirty-nine would be suitable to my level =\

BESW

Ah.

nitsua60

From experience with other topics/shows I know some will be at a layperson's level, others will be college texts, basically.

So I just thought I'd throw it out there, in a room full of people who like to geek out on what other worlds are like, on the off-chance that someone's thinking "oh, I read a great book on just that a while back. What was the name...?"

BESW

..Is my browser blocking something, or is his "research and book list" two copies of the Bible and hundred-year-old translation of an ancient Greek historian?

nitsua60

2:33 AM

mine's got thirty-six more in a grid underneath those three:

BESW

...good, because that's a pathetic list.

nitsua60

You mean because he uses the Good News Bible? (just kidding...)

BESW

Because it'd mean he's ignoring several thousand years of research, archaeology, and analysis.

Ahah, I see what he's done. I can't see the books he's recommending unless I unblock Amazon.

nitsua60

He does often point out in talking how "things were understood/interpreted one way back when I was in college, but more-recent historians have tended to argue that...." I have no way to gauge how well he's discriminating among current work, but it seems he's aware of it, at least.

BESW

That's.... better than a lot of academics, honestly.

nitsua60

2:44 AM

looks like this is the area in question:

BESW

I'm having trouble getting my browser security to let enough of Amazon through to see the books.

I'm not letting -adsystem through until I've tried everything else. Nice try, Amazon.

nitsua60

I wouldn't worry about it too much....

BESW

Yeah, that's redonkulous. I'd have to do some major rooting of my security to see that list.

nitsua60

In his defense, I believe the two income streams the guy has are donations from listeners and a small cut he takes from amazon purchases made through the site.

BESW

At any rate, most of the books in your screenshot look (judging by their covers [grin]) to be college-level texts and/or intended for layperson consumption.

Marc Van de Mieroop's A History of the Ancient Near East is described as "suited to first-year undergraduates in ancient history."

Let me go digging for another source of recommended books on the subject, for corroboration.

nitsua60

2:56 AM

Oh, gosh, you don't have to send one of your selves off to do my scut-work....

trogdor

lol

still not sure who the fourth one is

BESW

@trogdor Assuming the first three are me, you, and Greener?

trogdor

yeah

because those are the people I know of who have been accused of being you at all

obviously it's hard not to accuse you of being you

XD

BESW

@nitsua60 Yeah, this is the very edge of something I can pretend to be competent in. Most of my understanding of that area is focused on religious and artistic interactions and movements. Political and economic stuff bleeds in around the edges by necessity, but not enough to get a coherent image of the place and era in that light.

Obviously the fourth me is the one that sleeps; that's why he's never online.

trogdor

lol

yeah but who is he?

I did joke about being that one but here I am so that kinda doesn't work XD

BESW

3:06 AM

...a gender-swapped Princess Aurora, obviously.

trogdor

well that does work XD

she probably wouldn't be big on the internet anyway

well he, wtv

nitsua60

3:29 AM

btw, is hatmas over now, or do we still have 22 hours?

trogdor

it seems like it is over

considering my hat went away

nitsua60

ha-hah! who brought the smart kid?

So I can stop killing myself trying for "vote early, vote often?"

trogdor

also, the snowflake is gone so that is a dead giveaway

@nitsua60 yes you can XD

nitsua60

(that one was brutal)

doppelgreener

@nitsua60 yeah, missing it for a day meant your streak had to start again c(:

nitsua60

3:33 AM

Congrats, then, to @Miniman, our resident haberdasher!

trogdor

yeah, I had to root around for good 4E questions and such because there still isn't enough fate stuff on the site I have not already voted on XD

nitsua60

@doppelgreener I was pushing for it as a way to simultaneously grab "Vote Early..." and "Electorate", thereby earning the gold-hat, thus passing in the hat-count... you!

doppelgreener

@nitsua60 GASP!

trogdor

I was also going for electorate until I realized I was a quarter of the way there

because it doesn't count answer votes XD

Miniman

@nitsua60 Thanks! I told myself I wasn't going to try this year, but apparently I was lying. At least I didn't put in the ridiculous effort required for Vote Early.

nitsua60

3:36 AM

@trogdor definitely learned how to use search because of that hat....

trogdor

I learned that day why it was a gold badge XD

nitsua60

@Miniman yeah, who'd be that ridiculous?!

Try for Vote Early... hah... [nervously adjusts tie]

Miniman

@nitsua60 I went for it on the first day, and between the effort it took and being locked out of the review queue I was like...nah.

nitsua60

@Miniman My timing (relative to UTC) was wrong for it: the good time for me to sit and try to plow through it was right at the beginning of the UTC-day, locking me out of everything for the rest of the day. But I kept coming back to the well, curious if I could pull it off. [Spoiler: I could not.]

Miniman

@nitsua60 Yeah, the timezone thing messes up a lot of my SE interaction.

Shalvenay

3:50 AM

LOL -- in my 3.5e game, my cleric just nailed a fat guy 175' away with her shortbow, after a 10' move. xD

nitsua60

@Miniman where (east-west) do you live? I'm UTC -4 or 5 (I think) depending on how my ridiculous country decides to jerk my clocks around =)

Miniman

@nitsua60 Australia.

nitsua60

So in your morning UTC's just ticked past midnight?

@Miniman I figured you must live about five miles east of me, given how many times you've posted an answer as I'm finishing the last sentence of mine... =)

Miniman

@nitsua60 UTC hits midnight late in the morning, depending on DST of course.

@nitsua60 Yeah, you've sniped me a fair few times too :P It's always a bit of a "Gah!" moment, especially when the answer is essentially the same so there's really no point posting.

nitsua60

@Miniman I remember the first colloquy we had a few months back I referred to you as a "35K" user, then congratulating you when you hit 40K, and now you're over 43. I keep thinking "whaa, how fast does he earn rep," then I look at the answers...!

(Which I've been doing a lot of, chasing "Vote Early...")

Miniman

4:04 AM

@nitsua60 Thanks! FWIW, I've been pretty glad to see you gaining rep - your answers are consistently high-quality, which is something the 5e tag has...difficulties with.

(There are certain users whose answers I generally find easy to downvote.)

Shalvenay

@Miniman hrm, where do I fall on that?

nitsua60

@Miniman Aw, shucks. I just try to answer when I'm pretty sure I know. (Except for the tarrasque debacle, of course.)

Whoa--just noticed that was your meta!

Adeptus

Hi all. How's 2016 treating you so far?

nitsua60

@Adeptus My head is cold--can't find my hat(s) =)

Miniman

@Shalvenay Well, you don't have many answers, but they're generally high quality. Some of them are based on reasoning I don't agree with or don't find valid, but I can't recall looking at any of them and thinking they were bad.

@nitsua60 Well, you gotta remember that I haven't been around that long - that meta was more about "Am I calibrated wrong?" than complaining about that specific edit. As I said, it was an example of a pattern I'd been seeing.

Shalvenay

4:14 AM

@Miniman yeah, 5e is a rulings system, so there's plenty of room for individual DMs to run games their own way

nitsua60

@Miniman And for me it was very early--perhaps my first week--and after the 5e edit was accepted, I thought "why don't I just dig out that 3.5 book that I used once, a dozen years ago?" I think I learned the right lesson from it all, which was to temper enthusiasm/helpfulness with patience/humility.

Alyksandrei

[poke] hello!

Shalvenay

@Alyksandrei hey there!

Alyksandrei

If I want to chat about a Pathfinder character I'm trying to build, who might I try to catch?

BESW

I should probably go back to one of my standard avatars, then.

Hmm. Bookworm or Nokken.

nitsua60

4:28 AM

@Alyksandrei sorry for the radio silence--I have zero PF experience, or I'd be happy to engage.

Alyksandrei

s'ok, I'm about to go to bed soonish. Do you know of anyone who frequents the chat who might be able to help?

Pixie

@Alyksandrei Depending on what you're going for, I may be able to help.

Alyksandrei

I've got a concept for a PFS character, but it's so different from what I usually play that I don't know what choices to make. I got some advice from the PF forums, but they've stopped responding...Anyway, I need skills, feats, and traits.

She's a "dark elf paladin" whose favorite weapon is a dagger (or two). I'm thinking Knife Master 3/Warpriest 17, but that means I need a deity...I don't normally play characters with religious convictions, so I have no idea which one to pick. I was looking at the Healing and Protection blessings, though...

trogdor

of course even a dark elf paladin would use a sneaky weapon like a dagger XD

nitsua60

@trogdor I thought all dark elves were misunderstood loners, noble at heart, trying to break away from the stereotypes of their race, dual-wielding... well, I guess that part's covered =)

trogdor

4:37 AM

lol

nice reference there

nitsua60

(fingers crossed, hoping not to have summoned all the haters)

Pixie

@Alyksandrei Have you given any thought to what the character is like in terms of personality? That usually influences god choice for me.

Miniman

@nitsua60 I hatez u now u suck lolz nitsua is teh wurst

trogdor

lol

Alyksandrei

@Pixie not a whole lot. Let me pull up the file with my notes.

nitsua60

4:40 AM

@Miniman uhh... banishment? (fingers crossed is the somatic component, right?)

Miniman

@nitsua60 lol no i am teh trollz i can not b banshd evah

nitsua60

(it is now, 'cause I've written it into my PHB)

@Miniman okay... material component... "an item distasteful to the target." Hmm... @Miniman, how are you on kiwi?

Miniman

@nitsua60 wot is kiwi wot even is this u r crazy i dunt even no

trogdor

@nitsua60 I believe the troll is generally displeased by positive energy

nitsua60

@Miniman and verbal... "get in my tuckerbag, you jumbuck, 'fore the squatter arrives!"

Miniman

4:44 AM

@nitsua60 r u a troll? u r trollin me amirite? u shud just giv up u dirty troll

nitsua60

@Miniman oh, the CHA save... what's my charisma? I'm old-school, so:

3d6

Dice Service

•

nitsua60

nice!

Miniman

@nitsua60 lol my charizmah is 10x urs r u even kidding me rite now

Alright, sick of doing that. It takes weird amounts of effort to do properly. Besides, AGDQ just got up to something I'm ok with missing - time for lunch! (4pm)

Alyksandrei

@Pixie Stubborn, always ready to help, easily excited, always complaining about something. Oh, and watched a close friend get murdered as a child.

nitsua60

4:47 AM

@Miniman excellent--I was at a loss for how to break it off. Have a good day. @Alyksandrei sorry to derail =\

Alyksandrei

@nitsua60 NP, it was fun to read.

Miniman

Quick shout out to AGDQ in case anyone doesn't know about it.

Alyksandrei

i gotta go anyway. laptop's about to die. I'll be back on in a few hours. Sleep is good.

G'Night, All!

Pixie

@Alyksandrei Seeya! I'll leave some suggestions.

trogdor

good night

Pixie

4:52 AM

@Alyksandrei For healing portfolio, Sarenrae is the just hero type who believes in redemption but death to those who are hopelessly evil. If she's motivated toward justice for her friend or was inspired to fight evil in response, Sarenrae would be a good choice. Pharasma would be interesting. Cold, neutral goddess of death and rebirth whose job is to choose where souls go after death. A more sober choice.

nitsua60

overheard yesterday, rattling around in my mind ever since:

"Boredom is a mask worn by loneliness."

RPGSE: fighting boredom since 2010.

doppelgreener

@Miniman AGDQ is on!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shalvenay

@nitsua60 haha

nitsua60

pumpkin time for me--night, all.

doppelgreener

@nitsua60 goodnight!

trogdor

4:56 AM

oh, they are playing a Fire Emblem game

nice

oh,.... it's the one (or one of the ones?) with Ike in it

Pixie

@Alyksandrei For protection, I personally love Nethys, but I'm not sure how well he jives with your character. A neutral god who's entirely devoted to magic. Shelyn is a goddess of love and emotions, beauty, and the arts. She encourages her followers to be creative, seek beauty, and protect the innocent.

trogdor

5:11 AM

@doppelgreener personally, I wouldn't want to play a Fire Emblem game this fast XD but wtv

doppelgreener

@trogdor not for playing it properly at least 8)

trogdor

yeah exactly

like, they are using Titania A LOT

which I would not do

Tritium21

AWS is charging me for not using the service

doppelgreener

well let's put it this way

One method of speed-running Super Metroid is the Reverse Boss Order run, which is what it sounds like, except for Mother Brain naturally being at the end. You don't speedrun the way you'd play a game properly. XD

trogdor

yeah

I am fine with speed runs, I just wouldn't do them myself

if I am playing something I want to do it a specific way, that usually means taking my time and such

doppelgreener

5:13 AM

Probably the only game that would be speed-run the same way you do the actual game is Super Meat Boy

trogdor

yeah

Adeptus

@Pixie I'm playing a cleric of Sarenrae in a 3.5e game (it's either a backported Pathfinder adventure path, or one of the early ones where it was just a setting not a separate game). He's a Desert Dwarf, with Sun & Fire domains (I figured clerics can heal well enough without specifically taking Healing as a domain)

trogdor

you have to be fast in that one

doppelgreener

Awesome Games Done Quick, Jan 4-10, speedrunning for the Prevent Cancer foundation: Twitch stream, schedule, official site.

@BESW Pin? ^

trogdor

just saying, like, I think Titania is one of those characters in a Fire Emblem game who is artificially better in the early game because she is already "promoted"

in my experience, if you overuse those characters it hurts you in the endgame

but they are great for speedruns XD

doppelgreener

5:23 AM

@BESW Thanks!

Things you can do in Fire Emblem that you can't in an RPG: reduce your crit chance below 0 so that it underflows back around to 255 (i.e. 100%)

trogdor

lol

I have never done that

doppelgreener

Zelda and Metroid speedruns are my favourites. The exploits used are so good.

trogdor

then again, I am pretty good at managing characters in these games and I take it slow, so I don't really need to abuse some crit thing XD

doppelgreener

@trogdor yes; you are not speedrunning :P

trogdor

yeah

exactly

again, nothing wrong with speedruns

doppelgreener

5:26 AM

comparisons to what you would or wouldn't do outside a speedrun aren't all that meaningful

trogdor

I just didn't even know you could do that XD

doppelgreener

because you wouldn't, say, suicide bomb-jump through a wall in order to skip a boss fight in a non-speedrun

trogdor

oh

Nephenee is in this one

she was in one of the others I played

I have played like, 2 or three

definitely not all of them

Ike I only know about because I played him in Smash Bros. XD

doppelgreener

that's how i know about any of them :D

trogdor

Smash Bros?

lol

doppelgreener

5:29 AM

mainly smash bros for Wii U now releasing a bunch of extra ones in DLC

trogdor

yeah I loved seeing Fire Emblem characters in some of the Smash Bros. games

ah

I have not played any Smash anywhere near that recently

to be fair,.. there are so many characters in Fire Emblem games, I don't remember all of their names even in the ones I have played

anyway, the thing about comparing what is done in a speedrun and what is done in a non speedrun is purely curiosity and interest

it isn't about deriding speedruns

Miniman

@trogdor See, my favourite speedruns are the ones that show me a cool trick I can use when I'm playing casually.

trogdor

the only negative thing I would say about a speedrun is that I probably would not personally enjoy doing them myself

doesn't mean I can't watch them and have fun

@Miniman this is also something that can be useful yes

I mean, some speedrun techniques are not entirely useful in non speedruns, but some of course are entirely usable

doppelgreener

@trogdor i wasn't taking it that way, it's just that "i wouldn't do that when playing properly" is, in almost every case of anything anyone would do in a speedrun, a given. you wouldn't put everything at max speed, skip all the cut scenes, skip all dialog, etc.

trogdor

yeah XD

certainly not

partly, I was really surprised by seeing such abundant use of Titania

doppelgreener

5:40 AM

the Zelda speedruns usually take place in the Japanese version of the game because that reduces a sum total of ~5 minutes of dialog, and it still counts. :)

trogdor

@doppelgreener hee that is fantastic

lol, they just ran up to a boss and slapped him in the face,.. to death

doppelgreener

yeah XD

trogdor

oh, first time I have seen a boss join the party after you kill them in a Fire Emblem game

I know they commented on that, but that really is weird

Pixie

[imagines someone on a "heroic quest" actually treating it like a speedrun]

trogdor

lol

doppelgreener

5:46 AM

@Pixie what, like in a film? :D

trogdor

well, that wouldn't be such a bad thing as long as they got the job done XD

Miniman

@Pixie It's pretty normal for heroic quests to have a sense of urgency - what's weird is how people not speedrunning act :P

Pixie

NPC: Hero! We've been waiting for you! Our village is-
Hero: [runs by screaming and punches through the village wall]

trogdor

lololololsorrybyeguys

can'thelpyouonimprtantquestsorryagain!

Miniman

@Pixie Vs: Yep, I'll save the kingdom just as soon as I'm done breaking pots and playing games in shops.

doppelgreener

5:49 AM

@Pixie [hero throws a bomb down, explodes, explosion kills him, his body flies across the gorge, lands upon the enemy leader, crushes them to death and impales them, their healing potion shatters and touches the hero, who stands back up, kills everyone else, leaps down the gorge, dies, then reappears behind the friendly enemy NPCs. they are too stunned to talk, he shushes them anyway, takes the gold, throws a healing potion off the nearby cliff, then jumps after it.]

trogdor

lol

that is pretty insane

but he got the job done right?

Pixie

@doppelgreener Screaming all the while. I can only imagine it this way.

Miniman

@Pixie Only because she might have hidden her life savings in there! I'm not a bad guy!

trogdor

XD

Link is not such a great person

Pixie

@Miniman Precisely!

trogdor

5:52 AM

nor are most RPG "heroes"

doppelgreener

@Pixie yes. except for the brief moment of shushing someone.

@Pixie ha!

BESW

Plot device to be filed under "W" for "wat."
- A baby in a man's body, whose right hand sends things into the past and whose left sends them into the future.

trogdor

huh

I am not sure I am a fan of this monstrosity

BESW

(Sapphire & Steel can't really be accused of being ordinary or unoriginal. Though depending on your temperament their greatest achievement might arguably be making such extraordinary concepts boring.)

(Not that I think it's boring, mind you, but the pacing is glacial and I have no problem understanding such complaints.)

doppelgreener

6:14 AM

@BESW Gravity Falls: the Time Baby

(except he's not a baby in a man's body, he's a baby in a giant baby's body who can do all kinds of things to time)

BESW

("Changeling" pictured at right.)

doppelgreener

I thought that was an alien mime.

BESW

Nope! It's a baby from 1500 years in the future, turned into the unwitting pawn of an outraged time machine which replaced him with an older version of himself and gave him power over the ebb and flow of time.

Correction: outraged cyborg time machine.

trogdor

6:33 AM

even a speedrun of a Fire Emblem game seems to take a while XD

doppelgreener

@BESW That dude right there with the frizzy black hair?

BESW

Yes, that's the baby.

doppelgreener

@trogdor There's an estimated time for how long it should take. One sec.

BESW

They call it a Changeling in the episode.

trogdor

ah

2 hours

just about

and they are 1 hour 40 some minutes in so not too long now XD

ah, 2 hours 25 minutes, had a smudge on the screen

doppelgreener

6:35 AM

beat me to it, haha

trogdor

so almost an hour left

doppelgreener

they might finish in just 20-30 minutes, the EST is usually a "what if everything goes really badly?" estimate

some speedruns are very consistent and easy to estimate for though

like the Zelda: Ocarina of Time speedrun which you can do in, I think, 15 minutes

assuming you're willing to do the run which glitches you all the way to Ganon's tower at the end of the game

trogdor

lol

I gotta go so a short errand so I will miss some of this

se la vie

Miniman

@doppelgreener This year they're doing a glitchless run, which I find more fun to watch, personally.

doppelgreener

@Miniman for sure

doppelgreener

6:59 AM

Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance (2005) finished in 2h 5m 6s. :D

trogdor

wow

they are done now

they technically won before I got back XD

doppelgreener

The next game is The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages

@trogdor welcome back x)

trogdor

lol

huh

I have not heard of that Zelda game, is it really new or really old perchance?

doppelgreener

@trogdor gameboy old

trogdor

ahhh

gameboy almost explains it by itself really XD

doppelgreener

7:02 AM

it's from 2001, and is part of a pair.

The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages

The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages (Japanese: ゼルダの伝説ふしぎの木の実～大地の章・時空の章～, Hepburn: Zeruda no Densetsu: Fushigi no Kinomi ~Daichi no Shō/Jikū no Shō~, lit. "The Legend of Zelda: The Mysterious Seeds ~Chapter of Earth/Chapter of Space Time~") are two action-adventure games in the Legend of Zelda series, developed by Flagship (a subsidiary of Capcom). They were released on February 27, 2001 in Japan, May 14, 2001 in North America, and October 5, 2001 in Europe for Nintendo's Game Boy Color handheld console. Both games were re-released on the Virtual Console for the Nintendo...

each gives you codes you can use in the other game. (or a code, I can't remember.)

trogdor

not sure I can watch more than one speedrun in a day honestly XD

doppelgreener

I'm gonna be watching a lot of this. :D

trogdor

no problem with that

doppelgreener

Not all the speedruns are interesting to me though; RPG speedruns tend to be the least exciting for me.

trogdor

well, to be fair, I was sucked in cause it was Fire Emblem, but it was less fun with the language being Japanese and all the cut scenes being skipped

still, the strategic element of it was fun

especially with the differing tactics required to speedrun

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