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12:20 AM
@dpatchery ouch... I'm at 94, and have a major flight monday. This... annoys me.
@GPierce I'm running ubuntu and an XP Vm and it's fantastic.
Telling XP "go sleepy sleepy now" and just saving it to disk is perfect.
@GPierce generic setting is generic, which is not necessarily a bad thing...
 
@BrianBallsunStanton I like generic settings, I feel like they are sandboxier
 
mmm, depends.
I love Mythic Europe, myself
not least because it functionally has google maps integration
but then again, I'm a big big fan of Ars Magica
 
@BrianBallsunStanton I've considered doing that to my dinosaur, partitioning the HD and running both xp and ubuntu
 
@GPierce mmmm, my recommendation is to VM and ubuntu, rather than dual-boot.
alt-tabbing to XP is a lot easier than rebooting to XP
 
@BrianBallsunStanton good point
 
12:23 AM
virtualbox is free and bleedin' trivial
 
@BrianBallsunStanton trivial as far as resource usage?
 
oh.
you can dial that :)
I'm using a gig of ram in XP, but that's because my laptop is a 3 year old monster designed to do this.
 
@BrianBallsunStanton Ahh, my dinosaur desktop is from 2003...
 
mmm
still possible, you just won't be running XP as an app.
 
@BrianBallsunStanton Yeah, which is why I considered just dual-booting the hdd
 
12:25 AM
mmmm
 
But then again, I rarely use my dinosaur. So it might just be too much trouble and not worth it
 
how much ram does the thing have?
well, what do you use it for?
 
@BrianBallsunStanton 516mb
 
... oh
yeah, dual boot.
 
@BrianBallsunStanton My home network runs through it. Its' connected to the printer, too
 
12:26 AM
very much use ubuntu
is much betterer server, easier to keep secure.
 
@BrianBallsunStanton Good to know
 
I mean, is not best sever distro, but is easy
and you don't particularly care for "best" when your needs are "file sharing and print sharing"
 
I might have to do that some weekend when I feel like messing around with it
@BrianBallsunStanton That's essentially it. And minimal internet surfing.
 
you can boot ubuntu off a usb stick, and give it a spin that way
 
@GPierce is links good enough? :-)
 
12:27 AM
and hey, then you can use the askubtuntu stack and get rep there :)
@CRoss DIAF :)
it's win win :)
 
@BrianBallsunStanton or Unix and Linux for any other distro
 
::shudder:: text based surfing. Gods, I've done that.
@CRoss oh, really? Shiny.
 
@BrianBallsunStanton I still do it
 
Never dropped by there. When I start supporting VM labs I may have to.
 
Y'all are so friendly to one another. Wishing fiery deaths and the like.
 
12:28 AM
What's the tone like?
@GPierce Hey, what's a couple of rocks between DMs?
Rocks fall, moderator dies? :)
 
@BrianBallsunStanton This does sound nice... No mods = ANARCHY!!!
 
@BrianBallsunStanton tone of U&L?
 
@CRoss mmm, formality...
mm, tricky concept to operationalize
 
@GPierce Are you going to be my GeoChet?
 
12:30 AM
@CRoss What the heck is a GeoChet?
 
@GPierce And then this site will be nasty, brutish, and short. Taken over by chaotic netural neo-barbs asking questions... about... PHYSICS
 
@BrianBallsunStanton it's pretty laid back ... I'd say a little more laid back than SeverFault
 
@BrianBallsunStanton I have a bag of holding for you
 
@CRoss cool
@GPierce oooh, mutual assured astral tears?
 
12:31 AM
@BrianBallsunStanton Filled with pressurized air, if I release it in a vacuum how far would a goblin fly in the ocean
 
wow, I am feeling silly this morning.
WTH?
 
@BrianBallsunStanton :-D
 
1 rep... with three gold...
 
@BrianBallsunStanton suspended
 
do I care why? :)
wow...
 
12:33 AM
@CRoss Wow, he complains a lot
 
69 status-declined tags
 
@CRoss What did this guy do? I'm not afraid to ask
 
@GPierce general trollishness and trouble making
 
@CRoss Then yes, I'll be your GEOChet. Death to the mods! Long live the mods!
 
12:39 AM
moving right along :-)
 
hahahahahaha
hahahahah
::snort::
 
I hope he knows he can get back in :-/
so, I've taken to using Eberron's action points similarly to how Fate points are used
to encourage and discourage actions at the table
 
@CRoss ooooh :)
 
it hurts a lot less, and is more immediately felt than docking XP
 
positive and negative rewards are important.
@GPierce come back! We want to kick you again! What good is a soccer ball that just flies away? :)
er, and by we ... I don't... actually....
::sigh:: I do miss the auto-rejoin soccer kick-fests of IRC some days.
today .... is one of them.
 
12:43 AM
@BrianBallsunStanton ah, the <strike>good</strike> bad old days ...
 
hehehe
the highly variable old days, yes :)
 
sigh I wish Christianity or Biblical Hermeneutics would hurry up and beta so I can join the associated chats
 
::wince::
a biblical hermeneutics chat.
 
@BrianBallsunStanton What could possibly go wrong?
 
@BrianBallsunStanton :-(
 
12:48 AM
@CRoss hahahahha
@GPierce hey, to be fair, in a proper op-war, you'd also have +o )
:)
 
@BrianBallsunStanton I have no idea what that means
 
oh, the old days of IRC.
In other news, I'm going to be extremely annoyed if I just bricked my phone.
BBIAB
 
@BrianBallsunStanton Also.. this sounds painful
 
I'm curious why you think it would be so painful?
 
mainly because of the non philosophers in chat
 
12:52 AM
@CRoss Religion, like politics, is touchy and painful to talk about. People are hardly open-minded and very opinionated on these two subjects.
 
::hugs google cache::
 
@BrianBallsunStanton Essentially this
 
@GPierce it can be done well. I've had very good conversations with people of vastly different opinions on both topics, both on the internet and in person.
I've also seen complete flamewars, so ...
 
@CRoss I agree that it can be done. And done well. But sadly most people are not willing to be objective on the topic. I've had great conversations over religion as well, but those are in the minority from my own personal experience.
 
@GPierce I'm hoping the format can lend some help to that, but that's just hope I admit
 
12:55 AM
@CRoss I hope it does, too. I'd be interested if it could be done objectively.
Same holds for a good objective discussion of politics, I suppose. I quite enjoy those.
 
then again, the flamewars over RPGs ...
ponders
 
@CRoss lol, there is this...
People do have a hard time having good discussions over RAW without flaming...
Alright gents, your soccer ball is getting out of here. I know how much you love kicking me, so I'm sorry to disappoint. Thanks, as always, for an enjoyable discussion.
 
urggggh
stupid bloody vm
cheers matey
never buying an iphone again
 
1:15 AM
oi
 
1:32 AM
oooh
hey rain
sorry, fiddling around with my iphone, distracted.
 
Hey
 
No problem
 
So yeah, Sard's crap questions are making me grumpy.
 
Believe me, I sympathize.
 
1:33 AM
And... yeah, a trivial google search solves that question that doesn't even have standing here. But you're right, that link doesn't help random people clicking through.
::grumblegrumblemutter::
how goes?
 
It is the sort of thing that comes up a lot on SE (As I'm sure you've seen). Tempting, and funny to be honest, but probably not helpful.
Pretty good, you?
 
very meh. hoping this update doesn't brick my iphone, getting ready to move to the states.
 
Yeah, where to?
 
@BrianBallsunStanton another one?
 
1:36 AM
@CRoss no, just fixing my comments to the sound question
 
Awesome. Never been there but everyone says it is awesome.
 
they were... a little too snarky last night
@Rain to be a tourist in, when you have money, sure.
given that I don't satisfy either of those criteria...
 
@BrianBallsunStanton isn't that anywhere?
 
and that I prefer cold weather...
@CRoss well, yes :)
 
Food is good at least.
 
1:37 AM
I dunno, never lived there for a long duration before.
 
@BrianBallsunStanton have you ever been there before?
 
yeah, but only as a "tourist"
and... yeah, I don't actually like being a tourist.
too many verybad experiences.
 
shrugs my only opinion of Hawaii is Magnum PI and Hawaii 5-0
 
which I'm sure most Hawaiians find offensive
 
1:38 AM
@CRoss almost certainly.
 
islands full of beautiful people, expensive cars, beaches, volcanoes, and incredibly poor fruit farms ...
so, I've been pondering how to portray a corrupt religion in an RPG
 
don't forget active major naval base that's just begging for a nuke in case of unpleasantness with China
@CRoss yes, changing the topic
well, there are many "corrupt" tropes
secret corrupt, public corrupt?
 
Anyway, good luck on the phone, and Hawaii. I'm dropping off again- good to talk to you.
 
@Rain cheers mate. thanks for your comment
drop by again?
and yeah, I'm glad we agree on... the nature of his questions
 
@BrianBallsunStanton mostly public ... I'm thinking 17th/18th century Catholicism
 
1:43 AM
mmmmm
isn't that after the protestant reformation?
and the counter-reformation?
 
@BrianBallsunStanton entirely possible I'm messing up my dates ... probably need to sleep
 
night, catch up tomorrow :-)
 
but... I was about to answer, also that'd make a good Q
cheers, mate.
 
2:02 AM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRGH
unprintable explitive redacted phone!
"restore from backup" does not mean "don't restore from backup"
it means "Put my gorram apps and music back on the bloody device"
redacted Apple...
 
2:59 AM
@BrianBallsunStanton I is made happy by your firefly curses :)
 
 
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4:51 AM
@CRoss Ooooooooo
@BrianBallsunStanton Ah yes, Pearl Harbor. Hawaii is great, especially if you can avoid the touristy areas. From what it sounds like you will be on Oahu? My father actually works out there quite frequently. It's like any other city/state, as good as you make it. But yes, the native Hawaiians really don't care much for the tourists. So seeing as you are not a tourist, you should be fine.
@BrianBallsunStanton Gorram is the best you can do? Come on Brian, drop some real curses in Firefly-Chinese-Talky-Stuff.
 
 
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10:40 AM
@BrianBallsunStanton so 15th century, not 17th ...
perhaps I will ask the question ...
 
11:29 AM
Man, this last 28 rep is going so slow...
 
12:00 PM
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Q: Pathfinder or FantasyCraft?

OpaCitiZenPathfinder or FantasyCraft? What are the strengths and weaknesses of these two unofficial DnD3.5 "upgrades" compared to 3.5 and each other? (What kinds of play/groups are they more fit for? Tactical, rules light preferring, combat-oriented, rp-oriented etc.)

 
 
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1:03 PM
@waxeagle ::innocent look::
 
@BrianBallsunStanton How'd that happen I wonder...
 
gremlins
Woah.
3
A: Is there a list of all player moves in Apocalypse World?

Vincent BakerI just put the index of moves from the book up online: AW-movesindex.pdf It's not the full text of the moves, and it doesn't include any of the limited edition playbooks, but it's a list, at least. I wouldn't object to having a comprehensive list with the full moves online. Maybe I'll steal a f...

 
@BrianBallsunStanton I saw that and welcomed him. Its awesome to have enouch cache with game authors for them to just show up
 
@BrianBallsunStanton The Eclipse Phase author did that a few months back, not sure if he has come back on or not
 
1:27 PM
noo, I've got an odd rep again.
::mutter::
4 more bloody rep
I'm... neurotic.
oh, wait.
I can just find a target to downvote
 
howdy y'all
 
heya
... huh. our third mod... reopened the sound question.
This is going to get... interesting.
Wow, it was hard finding something to downvote.
 
1:44 PM
@BrianBallsunStanton Strange, i will go look in a minute
 
@BrianBallsunStanton who is the 3rd mod?
 
cross, mxy
nevermind
 
RS Conley♦
 
i am cappable of looking it up on my own. durr dur
*capable
@BrianBallsunStanton ah yes, i be slow
@BrianBallsunStanton Yes... this will be interesting..
So rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/9048/… was closed by @CRoss, right?
 
1:52 PM
yes.
and I don't want to get in a VtX war, cause that'll just cause protect to go on.
but... apparently my answer is the only one on meta, so.... I'd like to hear the opposing view?
 
@BrianBallsunStanton Yeah, there is no real/good opposing argument.. yet
@BrianBallsunStanton Good point, I was debating on VtC'ing again, but didn't want to start something
 
but we should be consistent
and I'm not a huge fan of the art question either...
 
@BrianBallsunStanton VTC them both?
 
@BrianBallsunStanton The art one is a better question, but I'm not a fan either.
I feel like "Just Google it" is the best answer for both
 
1:57 PM
@GPierce I just left a comment asking for justification for reopening with unresolved meta discussion
@RSConley ping!
 
2:09 PM
As an aside, it is really hard to catch a cat
 
@GPierce depends on if they want to be caught or not
 
@waxeagle Little pathetic-looking kitten has been hanging out outside of my house for awhile so my fiancee and I are trying to lure it into our home to clean it up and take care of it
 
@GPierce Oh fun, we just adopted one ourselves. My wife works at a college and they have a small group of feral cats around. Every once in a while someone snatches up a kitten and wants it to go to a good home. We aren't allowed to have pets, but we keep him outside and he mostly hangs out under our porch
 
@waxeagle That sucks you cannot have pets. I've got two dogs and I cannot imagine not living with them.
 
@GPierce we have gotten by with a fish for a long time. This is our second cat at our current place, we had nearly the same situation with a cat last summer as we do this summer, but she ended up running away after about 3.5 weeks
 
2:28 PM
Is it bad that I am sickly intrigued by the VtX wars?
 
@GPierce Not in the least :)
Its one of the mechanics of the SO/SE sites that make them an intriguing experiment in community dynamics
 
@waxeagle I will say I've been surprised by the lack of serial downvoting.
ie. hurt feelings from someone, go and downvote all of their stuff
 
@GPierce It happens. Its rare, and its usually from a user on their way out, but it does happen sometimes
@GPierce Its a bit stunning to me how effective this system is as I am a pessimist and also a died in the wool Calvinist, and a web programmer to boot
 
@waxeagle Well, if it has happened here, I've yet to notice it.
 
@GPierce I haven't seen it here, most folks are pretty curteous here
 
2:33 PM
@waxeagle well, there are also bots in place to detect and silent-remove it
so there's no way for a negative cycle to become established
 
@waxeagle I have noticed this too. Especially when browsing other sites that do not pity the fool.
 
@BrianBallsunStanton good point. Jeff and company have done a good job of trying to prevent abuse
@GPierce users do a good job of self policing and it seems like the diamonds do a good job of cleaning up where users can't or are unwilling
 
RPG.SE has spoiled me for other SE sites.
 
@GPierce yeah, we are a bit light on the jerks and trolls around these parts. We have a couple of useless users, and a couple of high rep users whose tone annoys me, but no one in particular is too horrible
 
@waxeagle I second that. But luckily they are in the minority.
 
2:37 PM
@waxeagle my tone annoys you? :)
 
@BrianBallsunStanton ;) someone else in very close proximity to you...
endless condescension
 
@BrianBallsunStanton I personally cannot stand you :P
 
@GPierce nooooo! Whatever shall I do?!
Oooh! ::rolls diplomacy::
 
@waxeagle My curious alert is going off
@BrianBallsunStanton Counter-rolls
 
2:41 PM
@GPierce #2 all time
valuable contributions, answers well reasoned and usually pretty darn good. Tone annoys me.
 
@waxeagle That was my guess
@waxeagle I guess I don't see the tone issue, personally
 
@GPierce Its a personal thing as far as I'm concerned. Like I said his answers are regularly really really good.
Anyways, anyone gaming tonight? My Dread game goes down tomorrow night.
 
@waxeagle You excited/prepped for Dread?
I wish I were gaming tonight.. I'm interested in the new Encounters sessions, actually. The Neverwinter season that starts in August.
 
@GPierce excited, not totally prepped, need to print my questionnaires. Going to run the first scenario from the manual
@GPierce I wish my nearest FLGS running Encounters wasn't an hour away or I would give it a go
 
@waxeagle My FLGS shut down, sadly. The owner had a heart attack on Free RPG day and decided to call it quits.
 
2:53 PM
I wonder how willing Wizards would be to let RPG.SE run encounters in the backroom?
@GPierce yikes
 
There is one about 30 minutes north, but I have yet to make the jaunt
 
@GPierce when is Free RPG day? I went to Free Comic book day at ours, thats the only time ive been in
 
@waxeagle I've looked into trying to personally run Encounters for my group (apparently it is doable) but I've never been able to figure it out
@waxeagle It was in June, same time every year. Essentially it is like Free Comic Book day but with short gaming sessions involved
 
@GPierce I might look into that, maybe with a new group. I wish there was actually money in owning a gaming shop, because Chattanooga needs one
@GPierce cool.
 
@waxeagle Ha, I wish there was money in gaming/comic book shops
 
2:57 PM
@GPierce I lived in Ft. Worth for a year and there was an awesome little shop there. I was still playing SWCCG back then and the local group hosted tourneys and stuff. I wish I had been playing D&D at the time, but oh well...
 
@waxeagle I've had mixed experiences at gaming shops, so even when mine was up and running I didn't frequent it often
My fiancee liked the shop, she just didn't like getting leered at every time we went in
 
@GPierce reasonable, they tend to attract interesting types from a very wide swath of the gamer population
 
(or talked down to, like in the 2 MTG tourneys she did there)
 
@GPierce yikes not cool
 
@waxeagle Very not cool.
It was about a year before we went back, and it was for Free RPG Day, which was thankfully a very pleasant experience.
 
3:00 PM
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Q: Is there a feat for melee characters equivalent to Dual Implement Spellcaster in D&D 4e?

MurphyDual Implement Spellcaster lets you add the bonus from an off-hand implement to an attack using your main hand implement. I am making a Human Marauder Ranger and I would love to be able to add an off-hand weapon bonus to a main hand attack. I don't expect such a thing to exist (it would be too ...

 
@TheOracle TWF Rangers essentially get 2 attacks provided the 1st attack hits, no?
 
@GPierce even better. you don't even have to hit the first time
 
I understand he's looking for a bonus, but I think a bonus to hit coupled with two attacks...
 
@GPierce This is kind of a pointless question. see the comment I made. i think he is trying to op a single attack adding the bonus from his off hand weapon
 
It'd be nice, don't get me wrong, but I think too powerful.
 
3:03 PM
@GPierce I feel its a bit silly when most TWF ranger powers let him hit twice which is better anyways
 
@waxeagle I agree
 
@GPierce yeah thats an end game where just your weapon is a +12 to hit and damage
 
They are already amazing Strikers
 
not happening
@GPierce exactly, when you can apply static mods twice in an action you are doing exceptionally well. Especially if/when you can make twin strike work as a MBA and you have a warlord or similar in your party
The only issue I have is that Hunter's quarry can only be applied 1/round instead of 1/turn
 
@waxeagle Very much so. Granted a Warlord-ANYTHING combo is ridiculous
 
3:05 PM
@GPierce provided their MBA are opped yes
 
@waxeagle Ah, I dislike the whole Quarry, Mark, etc mechanic.
 
@GPierce I loved my warlord, I was sad that she had to retire for a bit. She might get to come back in the fall though
 
@waxeagle What type of Warlord do you play? Taclord, Lazylord?
 
@GPierce meh, I don't have an issue with it. I just see them as odd status effects. It also gives me a way to stay super engaged
@GPierce dragonborn bravelord. Dragon madness background :)
 
@waxeagle Awesome. Warlords are way too fun.
Alright man, gotta jet. Class calls... :/
 
3:07 PM
@GPierce yeah, and this one loved taking hits and giving his allies CA.
@GPierce try to learn something interesting
:)
 
 
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4:59 PM
@GPierce Do not meddle in the affairs of Moderators, for they are subtle and quick to anger.
:-)
 
@CRoss Aww I was hoping for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup :)
@mxyzplk glad 2/3 of you agree on what should and shouldn't be here :)
and he vanishes back into the thin air of vacationing...
 
 
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6:09 PM
@waxeagle Huzzah!
@CRoss Moderators, Schmoderators. Anarchy for LIFE!
 
@GPierce have you learned anything?
 
@waxeagle From what?
Class?
No
From kitten catching? Yes. They bite and bite hard.
 
@GPierce lol watch the claws too
 
@waxeagle I snagged it and it was scared so it bit me. Twice. My hand is throbbing but cleaned and I was able to move the kitten into my house. It escaped my guest bathroom (where it was to be housed temporarily) and is hiding in a corner of my living room.
Feral kitty is feral.
2
The fiancee gets to bathe it, I've already been bit enough today.
 
@GPierce lol good times
thankfully both of our feral kitties have been rather well behaved and well tempermented
 
6:13 PM
@waxeagle Aww, it's finally eating and drinking. I left it water and food (that it didn't touch) outside while I was in class and gave it some tuna when I got it inside. It is now partaking in a glorious post-capture/biting feast
@waxeagle It is scared, I hold no grudge. I'd be terrified if something 15x my size picked me up.
 
@GPierce no doubt about it
 
@waxeagle I still wish it hadn't bit me... but what can ya do?
Wow, hungry kitten is hungry
@waxeagle Have you heard anything about Mouseguard? I know it's based offf of a comic series (which is awesome) and uses a lite version of the Burning Wheel rules base.
 
@GPierce Only waht I have read here
@GPierce thats good, although make sure it doesn't eat too much in a go or you will see it again
 
6:47 PM
Darn, maxed out my voting for the day in gardening :(
 
@waxeagle I've only done that once here, and it was when I was new
 
@GPierce I've done it a time or two here when I was trying to get a couple of badges (votes in a day, max votes in a day, 300 votes)
@GPierce I decided to change my voting strategy on gardenin and see if I could manage the Electorate badge, even though its currently impossible
 
@waxeagle I was eager for badges for awhile and then they went the way of the achievement for me. They are cool, if I get them, I get them, but I am not going to go out of my way to get a badge (unless it is the 100 day one... 40 more days..)
?
@waxeagle How do you get the Electorate badge?
 
@GPierce 600 votes on questions, votes on questions at least 25% of your total
unfortunately gardening only has about 400 questions total right now...
 
@waxeagle Hmmm, that seems like something you'd get with time.
 
6:53 PM
@GPierce yeah, although if you aren't careful answer votes can quickly overwhelm question ones
@GPierce I try not to get too caught up in them, but when my attention span gets short it gives me a reason to poke around
 
@waxeagle That is a good attitude to have about it, I think
Well, the kitten is cleaning itself now after a nap. I thought it was sickly when it was outside, but I am thinking now it was just the heat.
 
@GPierce plus I don't have a gold one yet :)
 
@waxeagle I have no idea which gold one I have
 
@GPierce thats good. hopefully so, its been a hot one this summer, you guys are right around the worst of it aren't you?
will tell you
 
@waxeagle Yes, we're at a record for the state of how many days above 100 degrees we've had historically
hmmm, thought I had a gold. nevermind
 
6:59 PM
@GPierce yowsers. I don't think we've hit 100 yet. mostly mid to low 90s
 
@waxeagle I think we are at 11, so far
 
yuck
just noticed you don't have talkative yet. we should fix that...hmm
 
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