Chez Cosette

Raphink

6:50 AM

ça dort encore ici?

Stéphane Péchard

7:27 AM

@Raphink: ça vient de se lever ;-)

F'x

7:55 AM

@BrennanVincent à l'usage, le chat avec les réguliers permet d'avancer beaucoup plus rapidement que des discussions sous forme QAAA sur le meta

Benjol

8:15 AM

Who does the accepting of suggested edits round here?

F'x

all of us

I already accepted one yesterday, and I submitted one edit today

at least, I think so

another question is: who handles flags?

Benjol

hm, I don't see the menu though, are you typing the url directly?

or maybe I don't see the notification for my own suggested edit.

F'x

@Benjol I suggested an edit 5 minutes ago, so if you don't see it, and I don't see yours, then noöne is can do edit review

but when we have some 500 rep users, then we'll be able to manage this

Jez

I'd say "good morning" to all, but I'm still waiting for an answer on this :-)

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Q: How can one say "good morning" in French?

I've usually been told just to say "bonjour" in French when in English one would want to emphasize that it is early and you are greeting them in the morning, and would therefore say "good morning". Given the legitimacy of phrases like "bonne après-midi" which does emphasize the time of day, is t...

F'x

Bonjour

Jez

8:25 AM

not really the same. the French perhaps need to 'borrow' something from English there? ;-)

F'x

@Jez it is “really the same”

you wish there existed a difference that does not :)

Jez

no, it's "good day". you could say it in the afternoon. you can't say "good morning" in the evening.

F'x

actually, it's more subtle

"bon après-midi", "bonne soirée", are things you say when you leave

"bonjour" is for meeting people, and it doesn't vary with time of day

Jez

really? didnt know that.

and bonsoir?

F'x

bonsoir is really the evening (and end-of-afternoon) variant of bonjour

rule of thumb: attached means arriving, detached means departing

but I should make that into an answer :)

Jez

8:28 AM

yup!

@Mvy Typo in your answer

"during the fay"... you mean 'day'

M'vy

@Jez thx

F'x

I shouldn't have answered in chat, now 4 other people have answered before me :)

I really hope this enthusiasm will endure

Stéphane Péchard

when i was younger, I didn't like to say 'Bonsoir', I always said Bonjour all through the day

but now, I'm old, and I do like everybody...

Raphink

haha

pour aller te coucher, tu ne disais pas bonjour quand même, si ?

Stéphane Péchard

Je disais 'Bonne nuit'

ce qui n'est toujours pas Bonsoir ;-)

Jez

8:38 AM

@Fx Lol, still going with the noöne's even in French eh? ;-)

I will not be converted from my no-one!

F'x

8:54 AM

@Jez ;-)

@Jez: do you know (as proposal originator) if we have a way to contact the SE team

for example, who reviews edits and flags?

Jez

contacting the SE team aint easy.

I'd ask people like @Dori, @RobertCartaino etc. if you can find them

I wouldn't bother trying to e-mail them using the 'contact us' link, that tends to get ignored :-)

F'x

I thought one of them would be on the chat of a newly created beta

Ninefingers

@Jez Or @RebeccaChernoff who is currently lurking in this channel.

Jez

Probably leaving a @RobertCartaino comment in a question like this would work:

meta.french.stackexchange.com/questions/4/…

@Ninefingers Yep I was just about to mention her too :-)

F'x

@RebeccaChernoff question for you: on a private beta, who reviews edits and handles flags?

Jez

9:02 AM

@Fx Maybe post a Meta question dedicated to it, actually.

Jez

9:30 AM

Darn... what was that French word we were using to mean 'on-topic'?

I saw it somewhere on the Meta.

Pierre 303

@Jez I don't buy it either, yet. The real experts that I talk to to invite them in the network tell me they don't care and prefer to invest their time (and their content) in their blog or business. So I guess, the remaining are only wanabee experts or those who have a very special personal interest in participating. To promote their company for example.

Raphink

Bon ben voilà, pas assez de rep hier, je suis bloqué pour aujourd'hui :-S

Pierre 303

@Jez: So you won't get many, regardless the quality. In fact, a few (extraoirdinaire) members I became friends with (off site) left the network because of the way it is managed.

Jez

@Raphink quoi?

Pierre 303

I'm sure the site owner have more information that we have to say this

Raphink

9:32 AM

@jez: 200 rep max a day :S

Jez

lol

but you got 300 or something

Pierre 303

Pourquoi pas parler Français sur le chat FR&U. Sur le chat EU&U ils parlent bien Anglais! ;)

Raphink

!

c'est vrai quoi

Jez

@Pierre303 nous changeons entre les deux comme GL&U :-)

Pierre 303

Ca permettrais à ceux qui veulent apprendre de pratiquer

Jez

9:35 AM

calmez-vous

Pierre 303

Il y a des questions auquelles je ne saurais même pas répondre ;) Il faut vraiment que je révise mon Français

Stéphane Péchard

oui, il y a des choses très pointues

et des gens bien au courant on dirait ;-)

Jez

@Pierre303 Mais français est ta langue maternelle?

Raphink

@jez : "le français"

Jez

hmm

"le français" sounds to me like "the French guy" :-)

Stéphane Péchard

9:42 AM

@Jez dans ce cas, dis 'la langue française'

mais c'est moins courant

et on dirait pas beaucoup 'le français' pour 'the French guy'

Raphink

en général, on dit "le français" ;-)

Stéphane Péchard

sauf dans 'le français moyen' éventuellement

Raphink

c'est surtout les anglophones qui disent "le français" pour "the french guy"

very characteristic of them actually ;-)

ou alors dans les blagues multinationales

un français , un belge et un suisse sont dans un avion...

Jez

Nah in English we wouldn't say "The French" for "The French guy"

it's curious, because we definitely do say "The German" or "The Italian"

we're a bit selective when it comes to that

"The Spanish" is wrong, it's "The Spaniard"

kinda random

Raphink

@jez I'm not saying that you would say "The French", I'm saying that English speaking people say "le français" in French

but we don't really

Jez

9:48 AM

darnit, what is that word that means 'on-topic'?

im searching the Meta now.

I can't find it.

sigh.

Raphink

I can't think of a single word to say that

what is the context?

Pierre 303

@Jez: oui je suis Belge Francophone

Jez

"Questions of this type are on-topic"

and I swear I saw a word yesterday that somebody said meant "on-topic"

Raphink

@Pierre303 Pourquoi ai-je l'impression que les Belges s'intéressent plus à la langue française que les français ?

Jez

@Raphink et les quebecois

@Raphink et les Chiracistes

Stéphane Péchard

9:53 AM

@Jez les chiraquiens :-)

Pierre 303

@Raphink: la particularité des petits peuples c'est qu'ils sont généralement plus ouvert sur le monde. Donc le fait d'avoir un site sur le Français sur un réseau comme SE est une opportunité je pense. Ce n'est que mon point de vue bien entendu.

Jez

n'est-ce pas vrai que Chirac a claqué la porte d'une réunion avec les mots "pourquoi bon Dieu parlez-vous en anglais??" :-)

Stéphane Péchard

@Jez arf, un grand moment de langue anglaise

il faudrait le retrouver sur youtube

je vais voir

ah non, je confonds avec 'do you want me to go back to my plane'

@Jez il n'y a pas que Chirac à avoir fait ça, mais c'est peut-être le seul président :-)

Jez

:-)

je suis sûr que j'ai entendu cette histoire

Stéphane Péchard

@Jez : the one I thought about: youtube.com/watch?v=304UHIZE01c

you can hear his magnificent french accent ;-)

I can't find the one you talk about

Jez

9:57 AM

heh

"stop now. Bonjour!!!"

Stéphane Péchard

:-)

la classe internationale ;-)

et sinon, presque rien à voir : youtube.com/watch?v=Y_dIBpQuXLI

Jez

gah, très insolent dans mon opinion

Stéphane Péchard

'dans mon opinion' => 'à mon avis' ;-)

Jez

ah oui

Stéphane Péchard

and 'insolent' is maybe too nice :-)

awoodland

10:01 AM

I think this is probably off-topic for the main site(?), but maybe topical here. Are there any French language computer science journals? I'd quite like to publish some research (on data visualisation) in French, but I can't find anywhere worth submitting it too!

Stéphane Péchard

there are some French conferences, but usually with poor visibility

French journals in CS are quite rare

awoodland

Yeah, the best I've found was a workshop

Jez

@StéphanePéchard C'est brumeux?

awoodland

which I'm never going to persuade my boss to let me do

Stéphane Péchard

they are more popular in Math or Chemistry

@awoodland what workshop ?

@Jez yeap ;-)

awoodland

10:04 AM

I can't remember now, it was a while since I looked

Stéphane Péchard

ok

awoodland

my boss is a French ex-pat and his advice was basically "don't bother, but if you find something let me know"

Stéphane Péchard

i can't even think of one myself...

I published to one myself, but I didn't present the paper my self

@awoodland was it CORESA?

(for Compression et représentation des signaux audiovisuels)

awoodland

it might well have been

it was in Bordeaux the year I looked I think

Pierre 303

@awoodland: try this one: magazine.developpez.com very popular one

Stéphane Péchard

10:10 AM

@Pierre303 it depends on what type of paper it is

not if it's a research paper

Pierre 303

ok I read his question again. It's "Science journal"

Stéphane Péchard

yeah, "to publish some research"

Louhike

11:07 AM

I don't know a french Science Journal to publish research, something equivalent to the IEEE magazine. But there must be one because some of professors show us research they publish in french.

my professors*

F'x

12:05 PM

Les Comptes-Rendus de l'Académie des Sciences (CRAS, un sigle des plus douteux !)

Rebecca Chernoff

@Fx SE staff.

Looking at them now. Sorry, I've had a migraine and been in bed for about the past 16 hours. ):

@Jez, emails to the team do get attention. we also keep an eye on metas, so perhaps that'd be appropriate.

F'x

@RebeccaChernoff thanks

does someone on the SE staff speak French, to copy-edit French questions?

Rebecca Chernoff

Does super rusty french count? (:

F'x

12:21 PM

@RebeccaChernoff don't know, do you feel you can do a good job with it? :)

Pierre 303

I've seen a couple of questions that needed edit

Rebecca Chernoff

My background with French is that I took 4 years in college, 3 years in college, and spent a summer in France doing a summer study abroad program.

F'x

I've edited a couple of questions, now that Rebecca is going to review them, they should appear soon

Rebecca Chernoff

And then there's about 5 years of rustiness. ):

I can read it much better than I can write it. I mess up on grammar a lot.

Stéphane Péchard

How many rep does a user need to be able to edit questions?

it's true I saw questions that should be edited/corrected to be comprehensible...

F'x

12:23 PM

@StéphanePéchard french.stackexchange.com/privileges

I'm one vote away from edit rights :)

Rebecca Chernoff

To fully edit, see french.stackexchange.com/faq#reputation, but anyone can make suggested edits.

That said, in chat, on meta, or on the main site, if you see me make an error in my french, I am genuinely interested in being corrected.

F'x

@RebeccaChernoff can people with edit rights review other people's suggested edits?

Rebecca Chernoff

I won't mind it a bit.

F'x

parlons français, then!

M'vy

Hummm we lost a lot of question from the "Le bon usage du français " proposition.

Is there any mean to access it?

seems it has been deleted

Rebecca Chernoff

12:25 PM

@Fx (:

Stéphane Péchard

ok, I have to get some rep then... :-)

Rebecca Chernoff

@Mvy Je peux l'obtenir. Quel (umm?) était-il?

M'vy

I recall I ask two or three questions in there. I remembered one and asked it few mins ago. But can't recall what the others were. (if there were other on topic of course)

Next Topic : is french.stackexchange.com/questions/162/… on topic?

Seems to me a mix of shop-rec with a potential tendency to become a poll

F'x

@Mvy I agree

EL&U treats these questions as off-topic, which is good in my opinion

“ not constructive
This question is not a good fit to our Q&A format. We expect answers to generally involve facts, references, or specific expertise; this question will likely solicit opinion, debate, arguments, polling, or extended discussion”

M'vy

grabs his flagpack

Rebecca Chernoff

12:32 PM

> En anglais, l'usage du passif est très répandu pour éviter "d'impliquer" le rédacteur. Qu'en est-il en français? ex: "Maintenant nous allons voir..."

F'x

@RebeccaChernoff if I may insist, I still need an answer to this question: can people with edit rights review other people's suggested edits?

@RebeccaChernoff works in French too; makes for very boring technical-sounding writing

M'vy

@RebeccaChernoff Oh thanks :P

Rebecca Chernoff

@Fx oui.

F'x

damn it, I did it again: en français aussi on utilise la voix passive, ce qui rend les textes verbeux et rébarbatifs

M'vy

hehe

Rebecca Chernoff

12:33 PM

@Fx 500 - Edit other people’s posts, vote to approve or reject suggested edits

F'x

@RebeccaChernoff the page at french.stackexchange.com/privileges/edit doesn't mention it, though, which is why I asked :)

also, I don't see any outstanding edit suggestion, but this may just be because you did all the work :)

M'vy

And since you're around @RebeccaChernoff, should we push the following GL&U meta question of @Robert in out meta as well?

Brennan Vincent

Is it possible for us to change the rule about minimum number of characters for an edit? I tried to change "d'est" (obvious typo) to "s'est" in a post, and wasn't allowed to :(

M'vy

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Q: Should we translate posts as a "community norm"?

"German Language & Usage" is the first site we created with significant activity in a non-English language. Many of the "problems" being discussed in meta seem to revolve around issues of accessibility; Not all users are fluent in both English and German. I wanted to get your thoughts about...

discussion translation

Rebecca Chernoff

@Fx ah ):

M'vy

12:36 PM

Cause that tag question meta.french.stackexchange.com/questions/4/… is going straight to the wall.

Rebecca Chernoff

@Fx tu as 500?

F'x

@BrennanVincent it's been asked over and over and over and over again on EL&U, but the SE staff doesn't want that

it would be extremely useful on language site, though

@RebeccaChernoff oui

Brennan Vincent

That's terrible; why shouldn't each site be able to decide for itself?

M'vy

@BrennanVincent Look at meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/102629/…

I tried to figure out a compromise. The related links will point you to the other meta question where trivial edits where refused etc.

Brennan Vincent

@Mvy Well, you're now at -5 from -6 before :)

Rebecca Chernoff

12:40 PM

@Mvy Je pense que quelqu'un demandé que déjà?

Brennan Vincent

@RebeccaChernoff: ?

J'ai pas compris

F'x

@RebeccaChernoff Je pense que quelqu'un a déjà demandé

Rebecca Chernoff

@Fx tu peux accédes french.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits?

@Fx merci >_<

M'vy

^^ funny, when I replace german in the question I linked by french I'm redirected to the first meta question in FLU :P

F'x

@RebeccaChernoff page not found :(

Rebecca Chernoff

12:42 PM

hmm

F'x

that's not helpful at all: I could review edits, but I have to stumble onto them :(

Rebecca Chernoff

@Fx 66, 81, 86, 104 q:

F'x

@RebeccaChernoff thanks

though 86 is tricky: it's an edit of mine when I was below 500, so I can't approve it, but can rollback either :)

Rebecca Chernoff

@Fx De rien. Il m'aide si vous les faites! q:

F'x

@RebeccaChernoff Cela m'aide

Rebecca Chernoff

12:48 PM

gah

Jez

@RebeccaChernoff It will be a state of eternal rustiness. They always correct you on something. ;-)

F'x

@RebeccaChernoff can you check if you could do something about this 500/1000 issue? I guess that'd really help us in the first week

Rebecca Chernoff

@Jez bon!

F'x

allez, j'ai quand même un peu de boulot, à plus !

M'vy

Mouais...

Pareil mais bon... je vais rester à regarder ce chat quand même. :P

Stéphane Péchard

12:51 PM

pareil...

Brennan Vincent

@Jez: Haha, true :)

Rebecca Chernoff

@Fx tu y arrives bientôt (ok, "tu y" surely isn't right?)

Brennan Vincent

@Mvy: J'ai répondu à la question suivante en expliquant un peu notre cas: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/102499/…

@RebeccaChernoff: si, pourquoi ce ne serait pas correct?

Quoiqu'à l'oral j'aurais plus tendence à dire "t'y" (mais ça ne s'écrit pas dans les textes formels)

M'vy

@BrennanVincent Je regarde.

Rebecca Chernoff

word ending in a vowel followed by "y" is ok?

F'x

12:55 PM

@RebeccaChernoff yes

Stéphane Péchard

@RebeccaChernoff orally yes

Rebecca Chernoff

ah, d'accord.

Brennan Vincent

@RebeccaChernoff: You'll notice also that in formal written French there are never liaisons with "tu"

"tu aimes" and so on which is often pronounced "t'aimes" orally

Rebecca Chernoff

hmm, good point.

Brennan Vincent

(only in an informal register, of course)

Jez

12:59 PM

I can't figure out IPA :-(

how do I indicate a new syllable

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