Vyxal

Ginger

04:07

@lyxal seems expensive though

$4/yr is a pretty good deal

I would encourage you to consider it :p

lyxal

Well the problem with getting a domain isn't actually the cost. It's the long term commitment of it

Regardless of whether it's vyxal.net or vyx.al, it still has to be maintained

Lest there be broken links on potentially thousands of answers

That's the benefit of hosting on github pages

At the very least, it's on a domain that will likely be around for a long time even if none of us ever touch it

And I'm aware that the v2 website suffers the same problem

Because it needs to be renewed every 3 months

But that's slightly better than relying on paid services others might not have access to if we ever move on

@Ginger evidently, I already have

A while back too

And I came to the conclusion that it's not worth it

Even though I was fine with going for the more expensive but cooler option

redwolf did offer to buy it for us once though, meaning that we could probably get it subsidised by the American tax payer if he ever becomes president, thereby ensuring longevity with no real personal cost to anyone involved

Ginger

12:15

@lyxal I guess

I feel like you've used this argument a lot :p

lyxal

If you've ever seen a pyth answer you'll know what I mean :p

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A: Don't google "google"

Pyth, 14 13 characters L/lbnb"google Defines a named function y. This divides the length by 1 if the string is not google and by 0 otherwise. The idea is not novel, but I came up with it independently. Try it online. How it works L Define y(b): lb Compute l...

for example

there seems to used to be an online interpreter at pyth.herokuapp.com

but that's long gone due to heroku deleting a lot of free accounts

and sure that's a different reason for the website to not exist anymore

but you can see the basic idea that it just takes one thing not being maintained anymore to cause a lot of answers to have broken links

If there's ever going to be a custom url, it's going to have to be under circumstances where I know it's 99.9% guaranteed to be something kept around

lyxal

12:40

@Ginger where's the grammar files for the webiste stored?

Ginger

src/common/scripts/languages/

iirc

@lyxal such as Rydwolf buying it? :p

lyxal

@Ginger good

making a tiny change

where an unclosed string isn't highlighted as a string

even though it should

Ginger

right

lyxal

(that's on me for forgetting EOF shouldn't stop highlighting a string)

Ginger

so here's a thing I considered: archiving only Vyxal and a shim that wraps the API to make it uniform, so we can always have the latest theseus for every version

because that highlighting is now broken for 3.4.5... which I guess nobody's using but whatever

it's about the principle!

lyxal

12:45

That leaves less wriggle room for how the JS API works

Ginger

~~I can always go back and patch all the shims~~

or we can keep the shim in theseus to make it easier

lyxal

it could also be slightly problematic when vyncode for vyxal 3 is a thing

because it'll need to have live bit count

and that might need to be embedded into the website rather than the js

Ginger

ough

I guess

holy hell

lyxal

also, there could be circumstances where I need to do funky things with urls which breaks in previous versions

for example, it could be that, for some reason, a mistake in the codepage goes unnoticed for 2 years

Ginger

that is supported by the interpreter already

lyxal

12:49

and a URL parameter needs to be added to indicate that the new codepage should be used

Ginger

we can just bump the permalink format version and plug in a converter

lyxal

@Ginger I mean to say, something might come up 2 years later where the latest website needs to be updated, but can't be used with previous versions

@Ginger oh shoot it actually did

Ginger

...I can't believe I've been working on this since December of last year

so are we officially rolling it out with 3.4.6? since that's the first version with it in the archive

lyxal

I think so

3.5 is probably months away tbh

Ginger

hooray!

should probably mention that in the release notes :p

lyxal

12:53

Copy button does'nt seem to work

thamsn't one

Ginger

ah right

...wait wh

lyxal

> Uncaught (in promise) TypeError: 'clipboard-write' (value of 'name' member of PermissionDescriptor) is not a valid value for enumeration PermissionName.

Ginger

I thought I fixed that

dammit

what browser are you using

lyxal

firefox

@Ginger ~~is it great to see us guys again because you're running short on test subjects?~~

Ginger

you're BOXES! with LEGS!

> The clipboard-read and clipboard-write permissions are not supported (and not planned to be supported) by Firefox or Safari.

thank you fireforks, very cool

fixing now

lyxal

12:58

is there an output character limit?

Ginger

?

oh right that reminds me

lyxal

Output seems to stop printing things after a certain point

Ginger

the worker sendMessage issue has reappeared I think

a program that prints in an infinite loop never shows any output (for me on chromium)

I have a solution to this, but you're really not gonna like it

lyxal

What is it?

Ginger

redo the JS API so execute returns some kind of object with a function that can be called to step the interpreter

idk if that's even possible

but the worker needs some way to pause when output appears so the browser can send it back to the page

lyxal

13:06

Just bundle the output into one single returned message

Don't bother with live output lol

Ginger

:(

that's pretty much what I'm doing right now

lyxal

@Ginger maybe something like the debugger could be used

Fairly certain there's some ability to step through there

Ginger

I'm trying to nail down the exact problem

I think it's that postMessage enqueues a message-sending task in the worker's event loop, but the loop is stalled in Vyxal.execute

so the task never runs

we need some way to yield control to the event loop so it can run the tasks

(also you should probably mention theseus in the release notes for 3.4.6 :p)

lyxal

Maybe

But that'll be for tomorrow

I have an 8am exam tomorrow so I need to head off for the night

Ginger

one thing

lyxal

13:11

What is it?

Ginger

unfortunately, doing what I described will probably not be possible without redesigning the entire interpreter

lyxal

Keep it simple for now

Ginger

because execution is implemented as traversing the AST, and that doesn't happen in discrete steps

yeah I'm gonna leave it as it is

lyxal

In that case, o/ (you'll see me around earlier than usual)

Ginger

\o

all issues on the site repo have been closed, so now yall can report bugs through that

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