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12:15 AM
I'm trying to run some Data.SE queries to see if Lit has posts which have code-block tables in them, since we can replace them with Markdown tables.
So far I found one answer by @GarethRees literature.stackexchange.com/a/15762 - do you want to replace with a Markdown table, or shall I?
 
 
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Q: Is the dystopian sci-fi novel the best way to portray world problems of the 21st century?

Roger SmithThe dystopian sci-fi genre has gained momentum for a considerable time and it mainly tends to address ethical, cultural and scientific dilemmas and dark sides of the modern era? Would there be another optimistic genre to address the same problem with the same effect?

 
 
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9:21 AM
@Bookworm Am I being too mean in voting to close this question? It's so clearly opinion-based. But I find that I use close votes rather more often than most of y'all, so I've begun to second-guess myself.
 
9:34 AM
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Q: ..dread with a manfiold fear" - manifold? A sentence from an old story

JohnVI would like to understand what "manifold" here is supposed to mean because it does not make sense to me in its usual meaning (marked by diversity or variety; many..), esp. when used with "fear": Now I began to dread the city about me with a manifold fear: for apparently the whole business of th...

 
 
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Q: What does "even thus" mean?

John VWorking through another C.A. Smith's story, I fail to understand what "even thus" mean. Not even Googling could answer the question because most sources just state the examples with no hints of the meaning. Flowers of many hues had been strewn upon the bier, and their fragrance filled the air wi...

 
11:27 AM
@verbose On the contrary, thank you for doing so! I almost modhammered it closed this morning, but decided to wait for some community close-votes first. One of the principles of developing a beta site is that if mods do all the closing, the community will never gain the habit of close-voting bad questions.
@Phantomwagerwallowgiltopus welcome to chat!
 
11:51 AM
@Bookworm HNQ.
 
12:02 PM
Despite having fewer answers on this site than either me or Gareth, @Tsundoku has more bronze tag badges than anyone else, 5 compared to my 4 and Gareth's 3 (plus 1 silver).
Not sure if that reflects more specialisation in particular tags, better luck with HNQ votes, or something else.
 
12:54 PM
@Randal'Thor Nice! I have only one tag badge here, . I just tabbed over to StackOverflow to see if I have any there, and I have three: in silver and bronze, and
As my rep here creeps up, I'm actually having an identity crisis, because at some point it's gonna cross my rep over at SO, and I'm not sure how I feel about that ...
... and that is the fastest I've ever had an answer accepted on this site. >20 minutes from post to accept.
 
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Q: What's meant here by "libation to the rites of good-fellowship"?

Ahmed SamirIn "In the Midst of Alarms" (1894) by Robert Barr, the author is describing a situation, where a man is going from America to Canada to camp in the forest with his friend, and they were being searched at customs department: “What’s all this tackle?” asked the burly and somewhat red-faced customs...

 
1:34 PM
@b_jonas Hmm. You're right. I still think that Jane Austen holds an unusual position in fan culture, but it's probably not as clear-cut as I'd thought.
 
1:45 PM
@verbose Most answers go >20 minutes from post to accept - I guess you meant <20 minutes :-P
@verbose It's been fun to see Literature creep higher on the sites list for some of our top contributors.
Dec 11 '17 at 14:37, by Matt Thrower
My rep here is now higher, inside a year, than I've accumulated on SO in nearly 8.
Jul 31 at 20:37, by Tsundoku
I now have more rep on Lit SE than on Language Learning SE.
Gonna take a much longer time for Lit to be the highest-rep site for either Gareth Rees or Peter Shor.
 
2:05 PM
@Randal'Thor With Shakespeare, it's definitely specialisation.
 
@b_jonas well, the BBC aired a completed version of Sanditon a couple years ago; PD James wrote Death Comes to Pemberley, about Mr Wickham being arrested and tried for Mr Denny’s murder; Pride and Prejudice and Vampires 🧛‍♀️; Bridget Jones’s Diary; a Pakistani adaptation of P&P whose name I’m blanking on ... plus lots of “oh Mr Darcy, take me now” actual fan fic of the steamy variety.
@Randal'Thor oops
Come to think of it I think it was zombies 🧟 not vampires 🧛‍♂️
 
2:28 PM
@Randal'Thor not a tag badge, but I’ve been gathering about one revival badge a day for some days now
 
Yeah, I saw that 17 of the last 23 Revival badges awarded have been to you.
That's pretty incredible.
 
3:29 PM
@Randal'Thor hey, and two of them went to me!
 
3:46 PM
@bobble And I'm going to bounty this one, probably today.
Gotta get you off that beastly 666 reputation score ;-)
 
Question: where in Watership Down does it say that Nildro-hain is snared? It says that she is in all the sources I checked, so there must be some line I'm missing in the book. (This seems a bit too simple to post as a main-site question)
I found this out when checking for the proper spelling of "Nildro-hain" for a planned "Why is Strawberry the only one to leave the warren of the snares?" question, but the reason is right there in a Google.. cries So much time wasted.
 
4:07 PM
The question How to describe the tone/mood of “The Wanderer”? was deleted by the roomba yesterday.
 
> "Take me with you." There was no reply and he repeated, "Take me with you."
> "We don't care for creatures who deceive us," said Silver. "Better go back to Nildro-hain. No doubt she's less particular."
> Strawberry gave a kind of choking squeal, as though he had been wounded. He looked from Silver to Hazel and then to Fiver. At last, in a pitiful whisper, he said,
> "The wires."
> Silver was about to answer, but Hazel spoke first.
> "You can come with us," he said. "Don't say any more. Poor fellow."
@bobble ^
 
oh that's what that meant?
wow, I'm not good at picking up implied meaning
 
> Strawberry was really a harmless, decent sort of fellow. He was touchingly devoted to the beautiful Nildro-hain
^ from a little earlier
> "Do you remember Nildro-hain?" asked Hazel.
> "She stopped running. Poor Strawberry."
> "I know. And we have no does -- not one -- and no does means no kittens and in a few years no warren."
^ from later
"Stop running" seems to be the rabbit euphemism for death. I was thinking to ask a question about that, actually.
 
thanks, and now I'm wondering how I missed all that
@Randal'Thor I immediately have some half-developed ideas for how to answer such a question.
 
@bobble It's very subtle/indirect for something that had such an effect on the story. I think I missed it my first time too, or at least missed it in the "Poor fellow" passage even if I picked up on it in the "stopped running" passage.
 
4:21 PM
It doesn't help that there's a plethora of named characters - I get them mixed up in my head a lot
 
Does your edition have the Lapine glossary at the back?
That covers several of the names as well as words like silflay and fu Inle and so on.
 
Yes, but I don't reference it while I'm reading. (Or at all, really)
 
I remember that the odd snare warren and its inhabitants' attitudes confused me at first, too.
 
> Is the warren of the snares a representation of some real-world group?
(question I'm trying to write up)
 
@bobble It's even more tricky when several of them have both English and Lapine names, like Hlao/Pipkin. Like in books featuring a lot of English nobility who're referred to interchangeably by their real names or titles, or books set in Russia where everyone has a first name and a patronymic and a surname and 2-3 different diminutive forms of their first name and can be referred to in various ways by different people.
Not to mention that some of the rabbits (especially does?) have awfully complicated names. Thethuthinnang? Seriously?
I don't even remember where to put the punctuation in Elahrairah.
 
4:26 PM
El-ahrairah
 
That's how they do it in the film, yes.
 
I have the book open next to me, so I'm cheating
 
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Q: In Finnegans Wake, is Shem dead tonight?

fundagainIs Shem dead tonight? I was alerted to this possibility, non-authoritatively, by Porter Girl, whose name provides further "proof" that Joyce wrote all his significant future readers into Finnegan Wake. I wish to seek a more authoritative answer. I have done some of my own investigation, which I ...

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Q: Crime drama/mystery where a woman suffers a car crash, and searches for a child who doesn't exist

Sean DugganI remember reading this novel about 5-6 years ago, I think maybe as a recent release at the time. A woman is found wandering, dazed, having escaped from her crashed car. She claims she had to leave her daughter behind, and a massive search starts until they get ahold of the woman's husband, who i...

 
@bobble Is anything in Watership Down a representation of some real-world human group?
 
> The specific strangeness of the warren, and Fiver's strong criticism of it, led me to believe that the warren is intended as a pointed critique of some specific real-world group.
I mean I can delete this question as well if it's bad...
 
4:28 PM
Can't it just be a more general representation of a specific kind of human behaviour?
 
I suppose Efrafa and the warren of snares could both be inspired by two different brands of dystopian fiction.
I've seen that said about the Hunger Games series, the Capitol is like Brave New World and District 13 is like 1984.
Although that sort of thing is probably more effective when the two dystopian societies are pitted against each other.
 
I can update the question to ask about a general kind of human behavior
 
Don't let me put words into your mouth, though. ;-)
That tends to result in rather weird questions.
 
@bobble No, it's an interesting question! I just feel like the answer might be no, but that doesn't invalidate the question :-)
 
hmm, I'll table it for right now and work on a different question
I have a scratch-paper document that is supposed to hold Puzzling stuff but is instead filled with drafts for Literature
 
4:35 PM
@bobble Table it?
 
heh, I just suggested an edit on Politics to convert a code-text table to a Markdown one
 
4:49 PM
easier-to-write-up question posted :D
 
> We are currently offline for maintenance
Great timing, bobble :-P
 
wonderful
 
@bobble
Gasp
You brood of Satan!
 
I'm at 678 now
 
Doesn't matter
-_-
 
5:01 PM
I was 666 for a while, though
 
5:18 PM
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Q: Why are primroses emphasized at the start and end of Watership Down?

bobbleThe first paragraph of Watership Down The primroses were over. Toward the edge of the wood, where the ground became open and sloped down to an old fence and a brambly ditch beyond, only a few fading patches of pale yellow still showed among the dog's mercury and oak-tree roots. On the other side...

 
5:38 PM
has a single capitalization error, and I don't know what the last sentence is talking about. I would edit for the capitalization, except it feels to small to be worth the rep, and the last sentence needs cleaning up by someone who understands it better than I.
 
6:22 PM
I'm not really sure it's a necessary tag
 
Well, maybe. Not sure yet
 
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Q: What is the type of figurative speech called when you are substituting a word from a saying with something else depending on the context?

user11581For example, there's a saying like "Actions speak louder than words". So I'll, for example, substitute the word "Actions" with "Lowering taxes", so it would look like this: "Lowering taxes speaks louder than words". The context would be that the government has promised some time ago than it would...

 
@Bookworm I have no idea what tags to use for this, so I'll just leave it alone
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6:40 PM
@Bookworm Urm... i think that's off-topic
@Tsundoku Should be migrated, yes?
@bobble I think it needs to be migrated :P
 
ah. I'm still not sure of this site's scope
also, why is that message starred twice?
 
@PrinceNorthLæraðr When you're commenting to recommend other sites for a question, it's usually a good idea (unless you're very sure or the OP is an experienced SE-er) to mention that they should check the scope and help centres for those sites before posting. For example, ELU closes a lot of stuff and probably won't appreciate us pushing what they see as "crap" their way.
Also, "English Langue Learning" - did you slip into French in the middle of that sentence? ;-)
Also also, are you sure it's off-topic here? We have a tag which would cover names for literary devices/techniques.
 
6:55 PM
@Randal'Thor whoops
@Randal'Thor I'd say it's off-topic, because it's not tied to any specific literature
 
@PrinceNorthLæraðr Questions here very much don't have to be tied to a specific piece of literature - see , , , etc.
It might be more about writing than analysing literature, and maybe Writing would take it. But I'm not sure.
 
I don't know
 
7:20 PM
Usually when you want to name something, it's generally rather for the purpose of analysis more than synthesis.
What does a writer need with terminology?
 
Writing.SE also has a [terminology] tag, by the way
 
Is he led away into the afterlife by the Black Rabbit of Inlé at the end of the book, too?
 
I think Hazel's supposed to be led away by El-ahrairah, but it's not explicit
 
In that case, things beginning to bloom, no matter if they're primroses, snowdrops or lilies of the valley, can probably draw a lot of connections to new beginnings, hopeful futures, and all such things.
 
@PrinceNorthLæraðr Looks perfectly fine to me.
 
7:32 PM
Even more so when they already introduce the story where they're about to be over as much as Hazel's safe warren and days of joy are over.
 
Care to expand that into an answer?
 
I don't feel in a position to do so.
 
@bobble Does it look better now?
 
@NapoleonWilson Did you actually read the book?
 
At least the capitalization is fixed. I'm still not sure why the first part of the last sentence is needed, but shrug I'll defer to the regulars.
 
7:36 PM
@Randal'Thor No. That's why I'll likely not answer the question.
 
Oh. All the same though, your comments seem pretty on-point. I was thinking of an answer along the same lines.
 
@bobble The part of the sentence about what the tag should not be used for?
 
Well, I've seen the film and appreciate it a lot. In fact I'm getting in the mood of rewatching it.
 
Yes. I'm not sure why people would use a tag named "reception" for "questions about how one author influenced another"
 
I heard there was a screen adaptation of Watership Down, but I also heard it was terrible.
Maybe there was more than one though.
 
7:39 PM
@bobble Well, people have misused tags in all sorts of ways.
 
There appears to have been a film, a TV show, a miniseries, a stage play, a table-top roleplaying game, and two radio shows
going off Wikipedia's list of adaptations
 
@Randal'Thor I...really don't know what people you're consulting on this. ;-)
The '78 film is a masterpiece!
I don't know any others, though.
 
@NapoleonWilson I don't remember exactly where I heard it either, unfortunately.
 
From a hare?
 
> British television station Channel 4's 2006 documentary 100 Greatest Cartoons named it the 86th greatest cartoon of all time.
It's the 86th greatest cartoon of all time, must be good
 
7:41 PM
Though, I really like the writing style and narration of the novel, so I'd be unlikely to go for a screen adaptation and lose all that anyway.
 
@bobble I'd say it's more among the top 3 cartoons of all time.
 
@NapoleonWilson There's been a film and two television series, according to Wikipedia.
 
And now I have the Garfunkel song in my head.
 
Btw @bobble or anyone else who's a fan of Watership Down (the book): if you like this kind of animal-based epic, check out pretty much anything by Colin Dann. The story of the animals of Farthing Wood is fairly well-known, their subsequent adventures in White Deer Park (in 6 or 7 novels) less so, and there's some independent Dann books like The Ram of Sweetriver which have nothing to do with FW but are also great.
 
7:57 PM
@Randal'Thor I can only surmise they meant one of the others then.
(Or they're really weird people.)
 
8:15 PM
@PrinceNorthLæraðr On Language Learning SE, my fanatic badge coincided with Christmas Eve. I admit I had not planned that, though.
 
8:52 PM
Hm, are you flexing?
 
 
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Q: Are Gutenberg books illegal to sell in Germany?

Nirav BhattI am building an eBook reading service (paid) and I aim to distribute free classics available on Gutenberg Project. I have gone through all Gutenberg terms which allows me to do almost anything, but Gutenberg being limited to the US, it doesn't say much beyond that. I just came to know that Guten...

 

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