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12:31 AM
@Randal'Thor I was worried that would happen, sigh. I'd be surprised if a text based answer to that question were possible, coz it doesn't come up except in this one speech.
 
12:41 AM
@Randal'Thor first question posted
I'm getting more comfortable thinking of questions and writing them up
 
@PrinceNorthLæraðr For visually impaired people using text readers. They can't see the image but the alt text tells them what's there, and their text readers can read out the alt text.
 
For example, my current post has a picture of a white dandelion in a field of yellow dandelions, and what I want readers to notice is how fragile the white dandelion looks. So my alt text is "a fragile-looking white furred dandelion in a field of yellow dandelions"
 
@bobble that's really good to know. Glad to hear it!
 
I still haven't identified the next question I'm going to work on an answer for... looked through all of the unanswered questions and didn't see a good one. I think I'll browse through next
 
12:59 AM
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Q: Why is Dandelion named so?

bobbleIn Watership Down, one of the rabbits is named Dandelion. The explanation given for the name in the Fandom wiki is this: He is a yellow-furred rabbit, hence his name [Dandelion]. But while that answers why he has such a name in-universe, I'm still confused on the out-of-universe part. Dandelion...

 
 
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3:45 AM
I have a question about US law, but I don't want to ask it on Law SE bc I'm too lazy. Seeing if anyone knows the answer, perhaps:
@bobble It's regarding APUSH so maybe you can help: The infamous Dred Scott case established that states couldn't pass law regarding slavery, because slaves were property and the government can't pass laws that infringe on your property or whatever
 
Here, though my APUSH is a little rusty - let me grab my notes
 
So how did the 13th amendment then get passed? Wouldn't it have been "unconstitutional" by the ruling on Dred Scott? This isn't a question you'd really find on APUSH
There's probably something about the U.S. constitution I overlooked
 
It's an amendment; by definition it amends the constitution
 
If you add something to the Constitution, it supersedes any previous interpretation
 
Ah. That makes sense
So by the 13th amendment, the ruling on Dred Scott becomes unconstitutional
 
3:50 AM
So there's a court ruling saying that gay marriage is okay because of an interpretation of the Constitution, but here isn't anything explicitly saying "gay marriage fine" in there. If someone adds an amendment saying "gay marriage bad", then that overrides the interpretation.
Amendments can also be overturned themselves by later amendments - see Prohibition
 
also my notes on this start "Poor Bucky." (my nickname for President Buchanan) and I'm finding this hilarious all over again
 
Poor Bucky indeed lol
Gets so much bad rep bc he was handed like the worst case scenario ever
It's like handing the president a country which is about to kill each other and is like, "Hey, by the way, don't kill each other!"
"Don't screw up, buddy"
 
also, I have a list of achievements for each president (and I scoured the textbook to find as many as possible) - and his has two items: "pushed for a wider decision in Dred Scott v Sanford" and "Morrill Tariff". Poor Bucky.
his picture is captioned "Please, South, don't leave"
 
@PrinceNorthLæraðr Why would you think it'd be unconstitutional
 
3:57 AM
@EddieKal Because of the ruling in Dred Scott. Bobble just explained how the Constitution works though
I'm not by any means saying slavery should be legal
I was just curious on how the amendment came to be in the first place when there was a contradicting ruling that preceded it
 
I know. I ask because Dred Scott v Sanford is not part of the constitution
 
It was a decision by the supreme court. It set a precedent, for sure, but precedents are useful and influential so far as the law allows them to
 
@bobble I think my favorite amendment is the 26th: basically president can't serve for more than two terms in office. The thing is, it was drafted or helped passed or something by the guy that served 4 terms in office so
It's like Roosevelt is saying, "You see that bs I pulled off? Yeah, nobody else can pull that same bs again"
 
Roosevelt broke my "list all the accomplishments" section of my notes, he just had too many.
 
4:02 AM
Hehe
@bobble Can an amendment that was already in place (like the 1st amendment) be amended or does a new amendment get added? Like if U.S. for no apparent reason became a dictatorship and was like, "I'm going to repress free-speech and make everyone worship Satan", does the first amendment get amended to remove freedom of speech and separation of church and state or does a new amendment get added saying "yeah that portion of the first amendment doesn't apply anymore"?
Like can a portion just be revised
@bobble I'm surprised it didn't get stopped at "Washington"
 
I'm pretty sure that you can't revise an amendment after the fact, but you can pass an amendment saying "all that stuff from Amendment _ is no longer valid"
 
The Twenty-first Amendment (Amendment XXI) to the United States Constitution repealed the Eighteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which had mandated nationwide prohibition on alcohol. The Twenty-first Amendment was proposed by Congress on February 20, 1933, and was ratified by the requisite number of states on December 5, 1933. It is unique among the 27 amendments of the U.S. Constitution for being the only one to repeal a prior amendment, as well as being the only amendment to have been ratified by state ratifying conventions. The Eighteenth Amendment was ratified on January 16...
 
@PrinceNorthLæraðr You can repeal an amendment
@b_jonas Spot on
 
So if I wanted to make an amendment that (that somehow isn't contradictory) says "the first amendment is only invalid for XYZ portions" I'd have to repeal it and draft a new one
 
4:06 AM
Also you have to be careful, if you amend the same spot a lot, the paper might get weak and you might tear a hole.
 
The whole constitution? :-P
 
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Q: Is the typo in the 25th amendment significant?

phoogThe fourth section of the 25th amendment to the US constitution provides for the president to be declared unfit involuntarily. The first of its two paragraphs describes the declaration itself, made by the vice president along with "a majority of either the principal officers of the executive dep...

 
@PrinceNorthLæraðr No. That's the judiciary's job
 
people just agreed to pretend a typo didn't exist
 
@EddieKal Ah
 
4:08 AM
The legislative makes things. And the judiciary decides how that thing works
 
and then tells other people to enforce their rulings
 
So the Supreme Court can be like "Yup, actually, separation of church and state? Nah. Everyone worship the spaghetti monster" if some lawsuit made it into court
Hypothetically
 
Do you mean the Senate Judiciary Committee?
 
@PrinceNorthLæraðr The judiciary is the courts. Like the Supreme Court
 
4:09 AM
@EddieKal Yea. Confused my wording
 
they could say that, but ideally the justices are selected so as to make rational decisions
 
Right
But they could make a ruling that somehow defies the "surface reading" of the constitution by making some arbitrarily dumb "fine-reading", and it would be law
Very interesting
 
If you want to look specifically at SCOTUS cases about religious institutions, Scientology would make an intersting case study. They lost all the court cases but still earned religious status
 
people accuse them of such all the time
 
@bobble Hehe, true
@EddieKal Just used the separation of church bc it was the first thing it came to mind that wasn't that hotly political (cough second amendment)
Though I guess I could've used fourth amendment considering I'm arguing miranda rights for mock trial. Whatever
 
4:16 AM
do you want more of Bobble's Hilarious (?) APUSH Captions?
 
Oh I would love some
 
@Randal'Thor I am not sure. I think there is an argument to be made there. But the more relevant question is would misogyny in Elizabethan English through Shakespeare be off-topic on Lit? 'Cuz you know that's what people really study in English departments
 
two random ones:
for Marbury v Madison: "Our interpretation is law. Literally."
for Dennis v United States: "Make America Communist ... through democracy!"
 
Hehe, Marbury v Madison was such a passive-aggressive ruling :P
"Yeah, that appointement wasn't okay, but it's because it wasn't constitutionally justified"
I gotta wrap up and get ready for school tomorrow. see ya guys later!
 
see yah!
 
4:19 AM
@bobble Dennis v US was really fucked up
 
my notes on it appear to be me ranting about how stupid a peacetime antisedition ruling was
 
The word anti-sedition is a very interesting word.
A lot not so democratic countries' favorite word
 
The more recent the Supreme Court cases got, the more my notes are ranty because I had opinions on the issues. Contract law ages ago? Academic. Abortion and affirmative action? Oh, do I have opinions on those.
 
@verbose Let's address these one by one. Because the author was living in Elizabethan England. IIRC Shakespeare has not been known to have traveled to Denmark. Even if he did, Elizabethan England would've still been the country he knew best.
@bobble Lol hope you've already ranted about tort law?
@verbose Sure, but doing so through Shakespeare would be a new project. Not to say it trumps history source-based projects, but it would still be a worthy project. You have another layer here, a filter if you will, and we'd be viewing Elizabethan society through our beloved Shakespeare
@Mithical It's an exercise, so we have our starting point A being OP's original question and we have the modified version being several steps too far. Let's backtrack and see if we can meet halfway.
I see several issues arising from your argument. Let me know if any of these apply:
1. Why do we study literature to understand society?
2. How is literature a reflection of society?
3. What's the use of literature when there's extant sociological studies on a similar topic?
4. What is literature good for?
5. In such a play as _Hamlet_ by such an author as Shakespeare, do we learn more about Denmark or England?
6. Is Shakespeare ahistorical? (Because that's what I am trying to do. historically and culturally situate Shakespeare)
 
4:38 AM
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Yup always forget that
 
5:13 AM
@EddieKal A question such as "How are Elizabethan attitudes to women reflected in Hamlet?" is a valid question, though far too broad for this site; one could write a book.
To single out one aspect of Elizabethan attitudes to women and ask "Does Hamlet reflect Elizabethan misogyny?" is bassackwards.
One reads literature to find out what the text says—not to find evidence for a predetermined conclusion.
Actually I'm not even sure I'd use the word "reflect" because that sounds like the text is a passive entity, merely reflecting rather than actively participating in the discourse of its times.
I agree the endeavor to "historically and culturally situate Shakespeare" is worthwhile. But that involves seeing Hamlet not as a reflection of preëxisting attitudes but as actually participating in the Elizabethan discourse around women.
And historically situating Hamlet in this way is not compatible with a prejudgment that Elizabethan society is misogynist. One can certainly argue for that conclusion—that Elizabethan society is indeed misogynist, and Hamlet participates in that. But to frame the question as "Is this misogynist?" means one is coming in with an agenda.
It's prejudicial. And it assumes a very old-fashioned view of literature: one where literary texts are considered good insofar as they uphold values one sees as moral (in this case, anti-misogyny) and bad insofar as they violate those values.
And it goes against the very endeavor we say we're undertaking: to situate the text culturally and historically.
As an aside, "situate the text culturally and historically" does not have to be restricted to the Elizabethan period. Hamlet has cultural capital now. Probably more than it did in Shakespeare's day, when it wasn't even the only Hamlet floating around (see: Ur-Hamlet; Antonio's Revenge; The Spanish Tragedy).
Let's take your questions one by one:
1. Why do we study literature to understand society? Do we? If my goal is to understand 16th C. England, Hamlet seems like an odd starting point. A more useful way to look at it is to ask: How can studying literature help us to understand society in historically specific ways? Great, now we're firmly in New Historicist or cultural materialist territory.
But one tenet of those schools is that there isn't a distinction between the literary and the non-literary.
So question 2 is a bit off-kilter too:
*2. How is literature a reflection of society?* It's not. It isn't something that stands apart from society like a mirror, passively reflecting. It is embedded in, undercuts, and furthers various historically, culturally, and materially specific discourses.
3. What's the use of literature when there's extant sociological studies on a similar topic? Sociological studies are secondary sources. Always a good idea to go back to primary sources. Of course those wouldn't just be literature.
4. What is literature good for? What is anything good for? It exists. But not in the sense of "always has been there." Shakespeare's contemporaries wouldn't have thought of Hamlet as literature in the sense we think of it as literature. Studying what counts as literature and what doesn't is itself interesting. As I mentioned, many contemporary approaches to literary studies don't make a distinction between literary and non-literary texts.
5. In such a play as _Hamlet_ by such an author as Shakespeare, do we learn more about Denmark or England? I'll grant we wouldn't go to Hamlet to learn about Denmark. But if we want to learn about Elizabethan England, and our question is, "Was Elizabethan England misogynist?" then on the one hand, the answer is obvious (well, of course). On the other hand, that is a very blunt instrument with which to approach reading a text.
""Let me show the various ways in which this text reflects or combats Elizabethan misogyny!" is just ... not, to my mind, an interesting take on the text. The conclusion is always: "This is a good text because it combats Elizabethan misogyny!" or "This is a bad text because it upholds Elizabethan misogyny!"
6. Is Shakespeare ahistorical? No.
But he's not merely Elizabethan either. We're talking about him now, in the 21st century, in ways that will no doubt seem quaint or misguided to any reader who stumbles upon this chat transcript in 2120. Or even 2070.
To summarize: if we want to recover what Hamlet meant in Elizabethan England, then going in with an ahistoric concept like "misogyny" doesn't cut it. If we want to say that "misogyny" is a valid term to apply to Elizabethan discourses about women, then we have to be very specific about what we mean by "misogyny" in that context. To assume it's a given, and that Hamlet reflects it, is ahistoric and reductive.
 
6:00 AM
this feels like the kind of work that would go into a main-site answer
 
Woof. I don't know what the point is of all this. I'm not the arbiter of what questions are valid or good or worth asking on this site.
I downvoted that question because I sort of intuited all the above. But I really don't care if someone else feels differently. I mean, the question is on the site. I could answer and make these points in the answer if I wanted to.
As I said yesterday, I probably will.
Anyway, @EddieKal's restatement of the question completely changes it. The OP's question was whether Hamlet, the character, is misogynist. To ask whether Hamlet, the play, is evidence of misogyny in Elizabethan England is a completely different question.
On the other hand, I really have no stake in what I consider an uninteresting question, and I'm wondering exactly why I've spent so much time talking about it. 🙃
I mean, @Tsundoku has two really brilliant questions out there on Gitanjali; @PeterShor has done some great work on a question I had about Tagore's translations; and there's only one day left to finishing answering all those, or it will be too l8. don't topic challenge questions self-destruct after the challenge ends?
 
@verbose So I am going to try and corral our runaway ideas back in the pen and then I will come back and respond more carefully tomorrow.
 
@b_jonas I live for the 21st amendment, he said, sipping his martini.
@EddieKal I'm really done? I'm not invested enough in that question to want to discuss it any more, sadly. Forgive me. If you have general questions about the stuff I said, like, "wait, what does it mean to say that misogyny is ahistoric?" that's fine, it's worth arguing over. But I'm really, really done with trying to rescue that question, or with arguing that it's beyond rescue.
 
6:17 AM
@verbose Not a problem at all. My later suggestion, in contrast to the edits I made on the question, was a stretch, never intended to supercede the original question but more as a practical exercise or a feeler that will hopefully test out where we all agree and where we diverge. It is related to the question and it is not at the same time. If we get something out of this discussion that proves useful to the question, we salvage it with what we got, if not at least we know where we diverge
So at this point you could say it is not really about the question. But if a way to salvage it comes out of what's been said, it's good too.
 
@EddieKal gr8, let's see where this goes, but we might want to private it so that we're not subjecting this entire room to a discussion they might not care about.
 
I'm finding this fascinating. I'm not everyone, though.
 
So the first thing I'd like to say is my later suggestion being a different question is beside the point. It is a different question. I never proposed it as a more suitable question that that OP should ask. But I saw in the new question a way to clarify what I saw as deficiencies in the (or a case among many) case against that question. If we can get that out of the way, I will come back and respond to your point about literature and society, and new historicism
I am fine with either way. Here or a separate room. I will have to come back to it tomorrow though
 
@PrinceNorthLæraðr No, the Supreme Court couldn't do that. Separation of church and state is in the First Amendment. To impose Pastafarianism for All, there'd have to be an amendment to repeal and replace the First Amendment.
@PrinceNorthLæraðr And you can't repeal an amendment except by an amendment, and you can't simply draft a new one.
The amendments process is complicated: any amendment has to get through US Congress by a 2/3 vote. Then it has to go to each State. All fifty of them. Every state has to vote to ratify the amendment either in the state legislature, or at a specially convened constitutional convention. (Sorry about the redundancy, but I don't know how to avoid "convened ... convention.)
At least 2/3 of the states, i.e., 38/50 have to ratify the amendment
So, the Equal Rights Amendment failed by one state. 37/50 states agreed that women should be paid the same as men for the same work, but that wasn't enough
It's very, very hard to amend the US constitution. Like, you put in place a process that works fine when there are 13 states with 200 people in each one, then expect it to work 250 years later when there are 50 states with only 200 people in Wyoming and 200 million in California
Scalability: ignored by startup founders since 1776, yo
shut up @verbose
 
6:42 AM
rofl
Living up to your username? :-P
@verbose If you want to post any more questions about Tagore, today is the last day to post them within the topic challenge. Answers, well, it's just a list of questions that we keep in the meta post, whether they're answered or not.
Would be kind of cool to be able to say that all the topic challenge questions were answered within the topic challenge period, especially if they were all answered by the same person, but even if we can't, you've already established a spectacular answering record in the Tagore tag.
@bobble Nice question. And now I'm wondering if Watership Down ever makes use of floriography, like Shakespeare and Rowling both already discussed here.
 
@Randal'Thor You've answered at least one Tagore question, so I'm not the only person to have answered them.
 
Oh, and I'm still the only answerer on that one. Sometimes you've posted a better answer even when one answer already existed.
I'm sure you could outdo my answer there if you posted one. You have actual knowledge about Tagore to draw on; I was learning basics about him and his views during the process of writing that answer.
 
I can't think of any more Tagore questions I want to ask. I asked four and self-answered one. (The answer needs work.) @PeterShor has been working diligently on one, and I'm guessing @Tsundoku or @GarethRees could answer another
I have no hopes the third will be answered any time soon, though it would be trivial for any Tagore scholar.
@Randal'Thor you're too kind. I thought your answer was complete and correct and I had nothing to add. I upvoted when I first read it. Also, I don't really know Tagore except in the way that people who grow up in England know Shakespeare. It's part of the landscape. Like, I have learned far more about Tagore over this last month than I ever knew before.
I had read Gitanjali, two novels, and a bunch of short stories; I knew a bunch of his songs. Never actually studied any of them except a couple of short pieces in high school textbooks.
 
7:19 AM
@verbose If we promote that question on the site's Twitter account, do you know of any Tagore experts with a Twitter presence that we might ping?
 
Sadly, no
 
@verbose Aw, thank you :-) Sometimes I do a bit of digging on an author or story to write an answer and end up slightly unsure if my answer really makes sense or if any expert would know it's nonsense.
 
A couple of things by way of commentary on that answer: (1) Tagore's songs are classified (not by him, by later editors, I believe; I'd've to poke around to be sure) into six categories: Worship, Love, Nature, Patriotic, Occasional (as in for specific occasions), and "Miscellaneous". The translated lyric from the Worship category, hence "devotional song" (2) I could easily find a recording of the song. Those would be the only possible additions I could make to your answer
Neither of these facts changes your answer in the slightest, and I'd never have thought of looking up his writings on religion to flesh out the answer as you did. It is an excellent answer and you're incorrect if you think I could answer it any better
 
7:34 AM
Would you have known offhand anything about Tagore's views on religion?
Sometimes the difference between an expert and non-expert answer, even if they provide the same information, is that the expert just knows what the non-expert has to look up and learn (before you say you're not a Tagore expert, I'm using "expert" as shorthand for "more knowledgeable person" here) :-)
I've seen it with some of the mega-rep users on SFF. Thaddeus Howze has read like a million comics and he'll answer Marvel/DC questions with long illustrated essays because he just knows his stuff, while other people need to use quotes and links to support their answers.
Then it's arguable which type of answer is "better": sometimes the non-expert one ends up being more thoroughly sourced and supported.
 
@Randal'Thor I knew vaguely that his family background was Brahmo Samaj. That means roughly "Society of God". It was a Hindu reformist movement that his father started. Part of Gora is about the Brahmo folks vs orthodox Hindus, and Gora is one of the two Tagore novels I had read at some point. I didn't know much beyond that.
(The other Tagore novel I had read is The Wreck. I hadn't read Chokher Bali but it's had many movie and TV adaptations, two of which I had seen. I skimmed it to answer one of Christophe's questions this month.)
 
searching for a quote from user111 about how experts are people who know where to find good sources
 
well, I'd have had to source that answer too. I'd look up the lyric, compare the original to the translation, and nit-pick, which was my MO for most of the questions I answered? I have heard that song in passing but don't know it, really.
 
"six major parts" and lists seven, smh
count, yo
It's a trivial piece of research? Like I could ask and self answer, give me a few minutes
 
8:14 AM
@verbose rofl
Goddammit Wikipedia.
 
 
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9:32 AM
@verbose Do you actually want to ask and self-answer, or was that tongue-in-cheek? I can ask it if you don't want to. (Sorry to poke, but last day of the topic challenge ...)
 
@Randal'Thor Done
Sorry, it took longer than I thought. I couldn't find anything definitive in English, and reading/translating/typing Bengali takes me forever. Gawd my Bengali sucks.
 
9:50 AM
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Q: Who classified Rabindranath Tagore's lyrics into the six standard categories?

verboseThe standard edition of Rabindranath Tagore's song lyrics, গীতবিতান / giitabitaan, "A Canopy of Songs", classifies the lyrics under six headings: পূজা / puujaa, "Worship" স্বদেশ / swadesh, "Patriotic" প্রেম / prem, "Love" প্রকৃতি / prakR^iti, "Nature" বিচিত্র / vichitra, "Miscellaneous" আনুষ্ঠান...

 
H'm if nobody else posts a question today I'll've posted and self-answered the first and the last question on this topic challenge.
 
I'll try to find something to post today too.
@verbose Nice! Just one question: what does আনুষ্ঠানিক, aanuShThaanik, "Occasional" mean? Like he only wrote those poems occasionally, or they're about something that happens only occasionally, or ... ?
 
Oh as in "for a special occasion". Like, it's the 25th anniversary of the Congress Party!
Specific occasion, I should say, not special. Those are songs he wrote because they were commissioned, or to commemorate a particular event, like the opening of a school
They're probably the least known of Tagore's songs. Looking through them I don't recognize a single one.
I take that back, he wrote a song when he returned/resigned his knighthood (1919 or 1920, after the Jalianwala Bagh Massacre), that song is pretty well known and I do know it. Like, I can hum the refrain if it's playing.
 
10:09 AM
3 hours ago, by verbose
A couple of things by way of commentary on that answer: (1) Tagore's songs are classified (not by him, by later editors, I believe; I'd've to poke around to be sure) into six categories: Worship, Love, Nature, Patriotic, Occasional (as in for specific occasions), and "Miscellaneous". The translated lyric from the Worship category, hence "devotional song" (2) I could easily find a recording of the song. Those would be the only possible additions I could make to your answer
 
10:27 AM
Oh right, duh. I prefer Wikipedia's version "occasion-specific", but now I see that "occasional" is also used in that more literal-seeming meeting. I'd never thought about the etymological history of that word before.
 
@Randal'Thor Feel free to edit.
 
Btw, my upvotes on that Q&A pushed you into the 11th spot in the overall rep leagues. You've overtaken fifteen people in the last month or so - great going! You'll be in 9th spot by the end of the year, I bet.
 
10:43 AM
@Randal'Thor thanks for the upvotes! The Tagore topic was helpful for my rep just coz I got lucky. I mean, so many of the questions were “what des this mean?” And if you know Bengali those questions are fairly easy to answer. Also, the fact that it was right after the elections (ended Nov 3) meant I had time on my hands, since I was done with work
 
True, but you've also answered several older questions on different topics too. (I still need to find time to read your iambic pentameter answer properly!)
How do you find those old unanswered questions, btw? Are you following specific tags, or checked the "related questions" sidebar from newer posts, or searching some specific topics?
 
@Randal'Thor just looking through unanswered questions. Even when I wasn’t posting I was still reading the weekly newsletter and occasionally skimming the site so I knew about some of the questions (like the pentameter one). Others, like the “let’s go home” story ID one, were in the sidebar when I was reading some other story ID q
nothing systematic, in other words
 
 
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To-do list for Watership Down:
* significance of Blackberry's name
* significance of Woundwort's name
* relevance of Alice epigraph in epilogue
* origin of Kehaar's accent
* was Lapine developed beyond the small glossary
@bobble ^ you've inspired me :-)
If any of those are on your to-ask list, go ahead and claim them - I don't call dibs.
 
 
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1:08 PM
@verbose Couldn't that be turned into a question (pretending you don't know the categories), so it can be answered later? :-)
Oh, I should have read the chat transcript to the end ...
 
1:33 PM
I was going to ask for the source of the poem "Come, Sin, O beautiful Sin, ..." in Tagore's Home and the World, but according to this blog post, it is "generally thought to be of Tagore’s own composition". :-/
Before the new approach to topic challenges, the highest number of questions in a single topic challenge was 14. For 2020, we already have three topic challenges that surpassed that number (Narayan, Maupassant, Tagore).
 
2:03 PM
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Q: What song is mai chhoro brajaki basari?

TsundokuIn Chapter VII of My Boyhood Days, Tagore describes how the narrator as a child became interested in music and singing. The "family friend Srikantha Babu was absorbed in music day and night": He never taught us songs, he simply sang them to us, and we picked them up almost without knowing it. Wh...

 
2:19 PM
@Tsundoku Why would you want more than 14 questions from a topic challenge? They're not about finding the next big Hollywood series.
 
@b_jonas It's an (imperfect) measure of success.
So that was a fly-by.
The next two topic challenges have something in common: both have tags beginning with "theo" (and neither is about theology): (literary) theory and Theodor Fontane.
 
3:23 PM
@Randal'Thor I have "why is Kehaar written with an accent?" which is related to but not exactly your proposed question. None of the others are conflicting.
Also, I think there's a decent chance that I'll be accepting that answer of yours in 3-ish days, which means I'll be 3 for 3 accepting your answers to questions of mine with answers.
 
3:50 PM
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Q: Announcing the January–February 2021 topic challenge: Theodor Fontane

TsundokuIn accordance with our meta agreement to have topic challenges and a later meta agreement to have topic challenges lasting for two months and overlapping by one month, it is time to announce the January–February 2021 topic challenge. Based on the number of votes (+4), the first topic challenge of...

 
 
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5:16 PM
@GarethRees This answer referring to "meta" and a "choice of tag" is quite funny when written on Stack Exchange :-)
@bobble That's another interesting question, but kind of orthogonal to mine. (It's the Blackberry one that I was most afraid might be one you'd already thought of.)
 
I haven't finished my re-read yet, and usually I get questions after I finish a book
 
I might do a reread too.
 
my copy was very pretty when English teacher gave it to me, but it now has bends and water/dirt stains on it
 
 
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7:47 PM
6/20. So many more tags left to do
 
8:42 PM
@Tsundoku you could still ask. It’s a valid question. Some apartheid-nostalgic Randi’s blog post saying what’s “generally thought” is hardly definitive.
 
@verbose Perhaps tomorrow then.
 
@Tsundoku i suppose “number of answers given to those questions during the challenge” another metric worth looking at. Also “number of those questions which received answers”. And then there’s upvotes and/or accepts, but I’m not sure whether we can actually tell when a given q or a was upvoted or when a given answer was accepted
@Tsundoku that would be after the topic challenge, which would make @Randal'Thor sad
also I meant *rando, autocorrect changed it to Randi
 
9:18 PM
@verbose Not me, I hope ;-)
 
9:32 PM
you can look in the asker's reputation history and the accept has a time next to it
 
@Randal'Thor haha
 
9:51 PM
We have a three-way tie for the highest-voted question in the Tagore topic challenge:
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Q: Why does the narrator in Tagore's story call the Cabuliwallah's daughter "Parbati"?

verboseIn Rabindranath Tagore's "The Cabuliwallah", Rahmun, the eponymous Cabuliwallah, has come to Calcutta to make a living selling nuts and dried fruits from his native Afghanistan. In lieu of a photograph, he carries with him a handprint in ink of the daughter he has left behind in Kabul. Toward the...

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Q: How good was Rabindranath Tagore's English, in general?

Rand al'ThorAs verbose recently remarked in an answer about a Tagore poem: October/November 2020 was when I realized exactly how poorly Tagore has been served by translations, even his own. The dude really deserved that Nobel, and you'd never know it reading his works in the available English translations. ...

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Q: What is the significance of "southern" in Tagore's poem "A Hundred Years From Now"?

Rand al'ThorThe Bengali poem "Aaji Hote Shata Barsha Pare" by Rabindranath Tagore, translated into English as "A Hundred Years Hence" or "A Hundred Years From Now", is a poem written in the year 1302 of the Bengali calendar and looking ahead to the year 1400, wondering who will be reading this poet's work. I...

 
@Randal'Thor As far as I know, this has never happened before.
 
@bobble I have a few of those, yes. literature.stackexchange.com/q/15760/139 on Jonas the protagonist of Lois Lowry's "Giver"; scifi.stackexchange.com/q/128812/4918 "thrull" in Magic: the Gathering; and possibly scifi.stackexchange.com/q/140066/4918 Heinlein's "Rolling stones"
 
@Tsundoku We've had one three-way tie and two two-way ties before.
 
Ah.
 
10:08 PM
@Prince Why remove literary? I actually think that's clearer, to show unambiguously what we mean by "works".
I wanted to reject it after hitting Approve too quickly.
 
Most of Samuel Beckett's works after 1947, including En attendant Godot (Waiting for Godot), were originally written in French. Strictly speaking, those works should be tagged (ignoring for a moment our discussion about renaming such tags).
, for example, is not tagged as .
 
10:26 PM
@Randal'Thor Oh, I thought that Tsundoku asked before to not say "literary" works because we hadn't determined exactly what counted as a literary work
Should I add "literature" back into the tags? It might look like I'm just adding unnecessary stuff
 
Hmm, I suppose it does run the risk of being taken as a sort of snobbery, if people interpret "literary" as "high-brow" or something. Maybe "works of literature"?
 
@PrinceNorthLæraðr Well, all these edits are a bit unnecessary :-) Consistency is nice, but not really feasible as the site and the tags list scale up.
We can't expect to have all author tag wikis in exactly the same format.
 
@Randal'Thor Oh. I was adding the author's date
Birthday
 
I don't see any need to re-add "literary" to that tag wiki excerpt.
@PrinceNorthLæraðr Year of birth, to be precise. And your of death, if applicable.
 
10:33 PM
Your of death?
:P
 
@PrinceNorthLæraðr Which is nice info to include and I'm approving the edits, but not really a necessary improvement to the tag wiki, so much as someone wanting to get more edits ;-)
 
Hehe
So it's okay to add the dates? :P
 
Sure.
 
10:47 PM
At least it's just a wiki and not a main-site post. Over at Puzzling there's been a run of people doing a bunch of tiny edits that fix one or two tiny misspellings and then adding an empty HTML comment to get past the character limit.
 
Ugh yeah
I didn't know they added random empty HTML stuff
 
11:05 PM
@PrinceNorthLæraðr Not "random". HTML comments: anything you write between them remains invisible to the reader. Of course, you can just add an empty comment (seven characters for free) to reach the minimum limit of six characters in an edit.
 
empty comment?
 
Right, just <!-- -->.
 
I use lots of comments in my own web pages (mainly todo items for later) but we have no need for them on Stack Exchange.
 
I don't know- I always try to make my edits at least meaningful, so I don't think I've ever hit the "six character limit"
 
11:08 PM
Sometimes you find a typo and it's the only thing that you can think of modifying. E.g. "pronounciation". (I know an SE user who searches for "pronounciation" to gain reps from edits.)
 
Hm
I would say "just gain the rep so you don't have to wait" but then... I'm holding off on gaining too much rep to hit the max 1000 rep soooo
 
Oh, wait.
 
I didn't gain any reps from that.
 
11:13 PM
See also b_jonas's hint (if you are active on SFF SE).
 
Hehe. I'm not very keen on joining more SE sites atm
I mostly became more active here specifically bc it's a beta site and it feels nice to say "Hey, I contributed to the growth of this site!"
 
and I became active here because you tricked me
 
Right. I deleted my account on a bunch of sites last year, I think. (Skeptics SE, AI SE, ...).
@bobble I think that is one of our prince's best contributions ;-)
 
I'm honored you think that much of my contributions
 
@PrinceNorthLæraðr You've managed more edits than me this month.
 
11:26 PM
Huh, you're right
 

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