The Reading Room

12:13 AM

@Emrakul I noticed recently a difference between mods and ordinary users in what they (often) want out of a meta debate. Ordinary users want things to go their way; mods just want a clear policy which they can enforce.

(Also, I may as well state for the record that I would endorse you as a mod here, even though I'm pretty sure I've already said so in private chat.)

Benjamin

@Randal'Thor How do you set up private chats?

Rand al'Thor

@Benjamin It's a mod-only thing.

The closest non-mods can get is 'gallery' rooms (everyone can read, only approved users can talk).

Benjamin

@Randal'Thor Oh.

Rand al'Thor

And even those need some rep level (1k? 10k?) to set up.

1k, I think.

Benjamin

Well, I wish non-mods, like trusted users could set them up because I am on track for trusted user, but don't have time to mod.

Ash

12:18 AM

And really, they're not meant to be used very often if at all

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The only real use case is for mods to speak to a user about an issue

(and even "private" rooms aren't truly private on the network)

BESW

257

A: Any way to send a personal message to another user?

Nope. This has been suggested many, many times, going all the way back to the earliest days of the site. Prior to the creation of Meta SO, feature requests were posted on UserVoice: Messaging between users Declined without comment. User messaging or wall it's possible we might have so...

Rand al'Thor

Yeah, "private" means "can be seen by all SE employees and mods of the associated site as well as anyone who has explicit access".

BESW

...I once saw a room try to use gallery mode to keep out mods who were warning them to use nicer language.

Rand al'Thor

Heh, that doesn't work.

BESW

They were very confused.

Ash

12:22 AM

I can see how they thought it might work, but yeah, it doesn't

(Also keep in mind that when/if the site graduates, rep thresholds for things will change. Just a general note that I tend to forget, although I tend to forget that beta sites have lower thresholds so I keep getting surprised at what I can do :P)

BESW

It was symptomatic of a much deeper confusion about the nature of chat.

Rand al'Thor

It ain't that easy to stop mods from doing their jobs.

@Ash Rep thresholds change even from private to public beta.

BESW

Eventually they took it to meta.se, where a Mjölnir of mods told them exactly what side their bread should be buttered on.

Rand al'Thor

Ooh, Steward badge on ELU.

ELU has a lot of Low Quality Posts.

Benjamin

@Randal'Thor I would be fine with that.

Rand al'Thor

12:27 AM

@Benjamin Sure, but it's also "only to be used for moderation purposes".

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Ash

@Randal'Thor yes that too :)

Benjamin

@Randal'Thor Oh, okay.

Rand al'Thor

E.g. mods talking to a user about an issue, like Ash said.

Benjamin

@Randal'Thor What are they in public beta?

Ash

Yeah, they're pretty much intended for just mod stuff and nothing else - the network's not really the place for non-open communication :)

Rand al'Thor

12:29 AM

36

A: Reputation requirements compared

Alternatively, see reputation tables for Stack Overflow, Server Fault, Super User, a launched SE 2.0 site, a public beta site. And Meta Stack Exchange. Main sites Action Priv β Public β Designed SO ─────────────────────────────────────────────── ...

Ash

@Randal'Thor ooh, that chart's handy

Benjamin

Yes, it is. I now need to get over 2000 rep in 14 days.

Rand al'Thor

TL;DR: the threshold for everything that can be done with 1 rep in private beta (except creating a post) gets much higher, and nearly every other threshold doubles.

@Benjamin Why?

Benjamin

@Randal'Thor So, I keep access to queues when we get into public.

Rand al'Thor

@Benjamin You don't need 2000 rep to access any review queues in public beta.

You might be getting mixed up with graduated sites.

Benjamin

12:35 AM

@Randal'Thor Oh, I am.

Riker

@Randal'Thor which site's private chat? if applicable

Rand al'Thor

@Riker It's a secret.

Riker

ah ok

BESW

12:54 AM

FIRE!!, a 1920s Harlem magazine "devoted to younger negro artists," is reborn as FIYAH, "a magazine of black speculative fiction."

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Benjamin

2:05 AM

Man we had an hour of silence.

BESW

I assume everyone's reading FIYAH.

Benjamin

@BESW I would if it weren't speculative fiction, which I like, but only in specific doses.

BESW

Historical Lovecraft, maybe?

Rejected Princesses?

user61230

6:21 AM

I have half a mind to start a chatroom for totally out of context quotes from books.

steelersquirrel

8:21 AM

@Riker I did some tag edits. I just followed suit on what the other tags looked like. Let me know if they are correct. You have enough rep to approve them, don't you?

Benjamin

11:06 AM

I think I may be being serially downvoted.

steelersquirrel

11:38 AM

@Benjamin What makes you think that?

Bookworm

12:16 PM

1

Q: 'The Art of War' by Sun Tzu: When and where it was adopted first outside of China?

While of ancient origin and being still relevant today, much is speculation about the military classic 'The Art of War' by Sun Tzu. Even the existence of the author is disputed. He allegedly served the state of Wu which ceased to exist 473 B.C., making his thoughts his only legacy. Anyway it orig...

Rand al'Thor

@Benjamin Hmm, your rep history does look a bit suspicious.

Nothing reversed by the serial voting algorithm yet?

If you're really worried about it, you could raise a flag and ask the CMs to look into it.

Benjamin

@steelersquirrel I got 5 downvotes at once.

@Randal'Thor Nope.

@Randal'Thor Where would I do that?

Rand al'Thor

@Benjamin Just raise a flag on any post (a random one of your own posts, for instance). They'll see it.

Benjamin

@Randal'Thor Thanks! I just did that.

Do they generally look at those on weekends or only during the workweek?

Rand al'Thor

12:35 PM

@Benjamin I've no idea.

They're not like normal mods, for whom SE is a spare-time thing.

S.C.

12:50 PM

hi

Rand al'Thor

@S.C. Hi, welcome to Literature!

Skooba

1:04 PM

@Benjamin there is also a vote fraud detection script, so if it was one user, doing it in serial, the votes may be reversed.

Benjamin

1:27 PM

The feed is running extremely slowly this morning.

Gallifreyan

2:27 PM

Gained access to all review queues - nothing to review. tumbleweeds

doppelgreener

@Gallifreyan there is now!

Bookworm

1

Q: Is Julián Carax based on a real author?

In The Shadow of the Wind by Carlos Ruiz Zafón, Zafón has the main character discover a book entitled The Shadow of the Wind in the Cemetery of the Forgotten Books. This book is by a little-known author, Julián Carax, who was not very well-received by critics and many of his books have been destr...

carlos-ruiz-zafon cemetery-of-the-forgotten the-shadow-of-the-wind

-1

Q: what are some books about: literature influence on history and the world?

can you suggest some good books about: literature influence on history and the world? I've already tried to search the net a lot but couldn't find anything useful thanks in advance

history

Rand al'Thor

@Bookworm I was literally in the middle of leaving a comment there.

steelersquirrel

Did OP delete it?

Gallifreyan

@steelersquirrel "voluntarily removed by its author"

steelersquirrel

2:41 PM

Hmmmm...

Rand al'Thor

3:00 PM

@steelersquirrel Nothing wrong with that.

It's the kind of question we definitely don't want here anyway.

I just hope the OP will still post some better ones instead.

steelersquirrel

@Randal'Thor I know. That's why I said "Hmmmm" I was being like Ankit :P

HDE 226868

Another recommendation question bites the dust.

I really do hope we don't get those here. Folks seem pretty clearly against them.

Rand al'Thor

4:28 PM

@HDE226868 There's a clear meta consensus against them, so we have good grounds to close every one that comes in (including with modhammers, once there are some of those on the site).

Ash

@HDE226868 You'll likely get them, that can't be helped (especially as the site gathers steam) but having a clear idea of what you want to do with them and a community with the tools to hammer them/improve them/deal with them is what's important

(Like Arqade doesn't allow ITG stuff, but they still happen. We just have a community of people with hammers at the ready.)

HDE 226868

@Ash I think we fleshed that out pretty early, and people are well aware that recommendation questions hurt the first Literature site, so I'm not very concerned.

@Randal'Thor Absolutely.

Rand al'Thor

@HDE226868 Yep, I had that meta post all written out before the site even started :-)

Ash

@HDE226868 Yeah, it's good people were on top of that decision from the get go - it's much easier to decide that now than say a bajillion years after the site graduates >.<

I want to try to ask some decent literary questions about the romances I am reading but I am struggling >.<

I feel like there are definitely things that could be asked about, I'm just not the best at uncovering them

It's frustrating me some because I love reading, I'm averaging a bit more than a book a day right now, but I've only managed two questions here

HDE 226868

@Ash I have the same problem when asking questions on Mythology. Sometimes the best questions lie in the hidden details, and I might read a myth two or three times before finding one.

Rand al'Thor

4:38 PM

Think anyone's likely to trump this answer? I'm a bit reluctant to accept stuff too quickly, especially a self-answer. But I think I've made a pretty conclusive case here, so if others agree, I'll go ahead and accept it.

Also, Standback's answer here needs more love. It's much better than the accepted answer (mine) - I was in a hurry and underperformed.

Riker

on a similar note, what about this one? looks like an amazing answer to me, but emrakul cautioned me against accepting his answer too fast

Rand al'Thor

@Riker I've already upvoted it - it's definitely good. But yeah, I'd say wait for a few days to see if anything better comes along.

Riker

hm, okay

Mithrandir

BTW: It's no use pinging me to do anything when it's Friday night through Saturday night.

Riker

ah okay

Rand al'Thor

4:48 PM

Especially on a site like Literature, it's often not a good idea to accept an answer too quickly. Someone else might post a more convincing argument, either for the same conclusion or a different one, which you might consider more accept-worthy. Of course you can always transfer the tick later, but accepting an answer sometimes discourages others from answering at all.

Riker

hm okay

@Mithrandir that's over now right

Rand al'Thor

Looks like @Riker is on a loop of "okay"s :-P

Gallifreyan

@Riker awww, thanks ^_^

Mithrandir

@Riker yep

Riker

@Gallifreyan <3

@Mithrandir just out of curiosity, do you cook all your food on friday then?

Mithrandir

4:50 PM

@Riker my mother does

Riker

lol

Mithrandir

I don't cook :P

Riker

figured as much

my cooking generally makes a cross between baked alaska and scrambled eggs

namely the fire part from the former and the blackened husk of the latter

Gallifreyan

Hehe, noobies :P

Riker

I can cook quesadillas?

and tamales

and most mexican food + frozen pizza

Mithrandir

4:52 PM

I can order pizza...

Rand al'Thor

@Riker Baked alaska?

Riker

wait wat you haven't ahd it

Rand al'Thor

Sounds like an Americanism.

Riker

@steelersquirrel please help rand he needs seriosu help

Rand al'Thor

Maybe I have had it, but under a different name.

What is it?

Riker

4:53 PM

liquor of sorts lit on fire on top of a kind of cake

Mithrandir

Anyway let, off again for now. Have some things to do. Back soon.

Riker

@Mithrandir see ya!

Gallifreyan

That doesn't count as "food", to be honest

Riker

yes it does

Rand al'Thor

Blimey. Minus the liquor and fire, it looks delicious.

Riker

4:54 PM

lol

generally you let it burn out or put it out before consuming

though generally fire goes out as soon as it enters your mouth due to lack of oxygen in there (just in general, haven't tried that with baked alaska)

Rand al'Thor

@Riker I should hope so!

Riker

@Randal'Thor so you haven't eaten it?

Rand al'Thor

@Riker Don't think so.

Riker

@steelersquirrel I called it! you need to teach rand how to be a americanized being and support football, star wars, and american desserts

Gallifreyan

Meh

Rand al'Thor

4:58 PM

@Riker I may take offence at the suggestion that being non-American and uninterested in football and SW is 'uncivilised'.

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At least I can SPELL 'civilised', unlike you with your Z's :-P

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Riker

ouch

you can't spell offense either I see :P

Rand al'Thor

@Riker Americanised? Over my dead body!

Riker

you can modabuse that into americanised if you want

Rand al'Thor

@Riker The s-version is for verbs. Like counsel and council, or advise and advice.

Riker

o_O

Gallifreyan

5:01 PM

I take offence that all online spell checkers and search engines accept British spelling as wrong

Rand al'Thor

@steelersquirrel Hemingway question for you: literature.stackexchange.com/q/1104/17 Not sure if it's quite the right place to use the quote from the help centre, unfortunately.

@Gallifreyan Well, the US dominates the internet.

Gallifreyan

Combine that with a non-native who was taught the British spelling, and you get someone who is in serious doubt about what he/she has been taught for 7 years

Rand al'Thor

@Gallifreyan Are you European?

If so, stay strong and use the British spelling! :-)

Gallifreyan

@Randal'Thor Apparently, our teacher in Russia was an Anglophile of sorts

Don't know if it was an accepted practice back then

Rand al'Thor

FWIW, I wouldn't have guessed you were a non-native speaker, from what I've seen of your writing.

Gallifreyan

5:05 PM

@Randal'Thor It's getting harder even to see the British spelling. Thankfully, they still print Pratchett's books in actual English :)

Riker

@Randal'Thor if I move to the UK/EU do I have to use those spellings

@Gallifreyan "actual english" meaning american or british?

Rand al'Thor

@Riker British, of course.

Riker

>_> not asking the british fanatic

Rand al'Thor

We speak proper English, not a variant that's sprung up in some new country.

:-P

Gallifreyan

Riker has a great chance to do a nitpick and say that actual English was spoken by Anglo-saxons, or whatever tribe of skirted men

Real programmers set the universal constants at the start such that the universe evolves to contain the disk with the data they want.

Riker

5:07 PM

@Gallifreyan true

let's pretend I did that I'm a bit busy making a parody photo of rand's fanaticism

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@Randal'Thor

awww I should have make it pedant beta

too late now methinks

Mithrandir

Abuse of the inspect tool...

Rand al'Thor

@Gallifreyan I don't know what any of those things are.

Riker

@Randal'Thor if I change "rand-ness" to pedant will you add a link to this in your profile description

@Mithrandir *inspect element but ikr

@Randal'Thor sighs @Gallifreyan he knows nothing about computers except what you need to use them

Gallifreyan

@Riker IMHO emacs and vim and nano are for dinosaurs. Us Homo Sapiens use Sublime

Rand al'Thor

@Riker No. It has to be "pedantry". Also I'm not sure if I approve of "Fanatic" being used for that particular achievement ... and the timestamp and rep/badges need to be something more numerologically interesting.

I'm a perfectionist. So sue me.

Mithrandir

5:13 PM

At least when I use the inspect element I use it for something useful, like convincing my parents that National Geographic is running an article that there are aliens on the Moon.

(They didn't fall for it, but whatever.)

Riker

@Gallifreyan vim4life

@Randal'Thor ah ok

@Randal'Thor sorry, that was just copied from you getting outspoken

Rand al'Thor

@Mithrandir Define "useful" :-P

@Riker Yeah, I gathered it was copied from some real badge or other.

Riker

yeah

Gallifreyan

@Riker make another one for Valorum? Let the salty comments flow

Mithrandir

What, that isn't useful? :D

Riker

5:16 PM

@Gallifreyan lol

@Mithrandir lol

you mean another image?

Gallifreyan

Yes

Need 5 more suggested edit reviews to get the proofreader badge

Is there a program that pings you when there's a suggested edit?

Catching the in time is a killer

Mithrandir

I wonder how a question about a novel in the Star Trek universe would go over...

Rand al'Thor

@Gallifreyan There probably is, given Jason Baker's unnatural ability to review nearly everything.

Riker

@Gallifreyan will do in a bit

Mithrandir

If you want to review the same post like in First Posts and Late Answers you have to open it in a new tab and click on the other one so that they are open at the same time

Just a BTW :P

Gallifreyan

5:21 PM

@Mithrandir I'm trying to keep away from those queues, since they attract a lot of crap on SFF

Or at least my last ones did

Riker

@Mithrandir gist.github.com/RikerW/c86f5e336540e3b67e10ec75b21f8531

it's a modified version of a "Review Stalker" stack app

it automatically refreshes the review tabs and will redirect and open all review queues in new tabs

it's nice

Mithrandir

Hmm

Remind me when I'm on my computer

Rand al'Thor

@Riker It's cheating is what it is :-P

Riker

will do

@Randal'Thor yes but we don't all have magic mod review powers

I stand firm in my belief of your magic powers

Gallifreyan

@Riker how do I apply this? :D

Riker

5:25 PM

what browser do you use?

Rand al'Thor

This must be how people like Jon Mark Perry manage to review everything ridiculously fast.

Riker

probably

Rand al'Thor

@Riker Neither do I, on any site but one.

Gallifreyan

Opera

Riker

...... really?

Gallifreyan

5:25 PM

On Ubuntu

Riker

or no you're just joking

Mithrandir

Chrome

Riker

you actually use opera?

Mithrandir

On Ubuntu

Riker

doesn't matter the OS just browser

@Mithrandir install tampermonkey extension, -> create new script, -> copy paste the gist into the new script

Gallifreyan

5:26 PM

Mithrandir

Have it already, but thanks

Riker

ah ok then just make it a nwe srcipt

@Gallifreyan o-o why opera

why not chrome

Gallifreyan

Me likes it

Riker

shrug up to you

@Gallifreyan addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/tampermonkey-beta/…

install that

Gallifreyan

To hit the last nail on the coffin, I was using Vivaldi a week ago

Riker

5:28 PM

o_O ok something is wrong with you /s

figure out where your "dashboard" is and "create a new script"

delete what (if anything) is in the new script and paste the gist in

Gallifreyan

@Riker I hit "Raw" near your gist and the hit "install" in the new window

Riker

yep that works

Gallifreyan

So how does that work?

Riker

when you open a review page, it will automatically redirect you to any (if applicable) review queues you can access

i.e. if there's 1 close vote, it will open the close vote review queue with the item in it for you

if there's more than 1 different kind of review, it will open the others in new tabs

Gallifreyan

Wow, that's very cool

Riker

5:31 PM

and you if you leave a tab open then it will refresh it in the background

Gallifreyan

Thanks a lot!

Rand al'Thor

:-/

Gallifreyan

Now to fork it adding a feature that'll automatically refresh and open reviews without visiting the review page

And let them pile in background tabs! Muahahahaha

Mithrandir

@Randal'Thor what's that for?

Riker

he think it's cheating

@Randal'Thor how many silver/bronze badges do you want?

1, 4, 9 for gold, silver, bronze work?

Rand al'Thor

5:34 PM

@Mithrandir I don't like the whole idea of using technology to get to reviews ahead of everybody else.

Mithrandir

Why is it that all of my userscripts are for SE? O_o

Rand al'Thor

@Riker I dunno ... 1234 rep, 5 silver, 67 bronze?

Riker

1234k rep coming up

Rand al'Thor

Where did that k come from?

Mithrandir

@Randal'Thor so you wouldn't approve of SmokeDetector automatically flagging things either?

Riker

5:36 PM

@Randal'Thor looks cooler IMO

damnit I cleared my work redoing

Rand al'Thor

@Mithrandir If Smokey automatically flags things using the Smokey account, well, that's what it's for.

If people use automatic Smokey flags to get themselves Marshal badges ...

:-/

Mithrandir

Art said he got a few new Deputy badges...

Rand al'Thor

I know there's nothing technically wrong with using userscripts like that. It just feels like cheating.

Mithrandir

Think of it this way: like this, the moderation is taken care of more quickly.

Rand al'Thor

@Mithrandir But taken care of mainly by the people with fancy userscripts, which is no qualification for being actually good at reviewing.

Mithrandir

5:39 PM

People are zealous to help :P

@Randal'Thor and that's why we have audits and mods

Rand al'Thor

@Mithrandir A very few sites have audits.

And mods usually have better things to do than trawl through review histories by hand.

We don't even have mods here yet.

Riker

@Randal'Thor better?

I also changed the questions, users, unanswered, and ask a question links

Rand al'Thor

Better, but still not perfect.

Riker

what shoudl I change?

I copied the source so I can easily change it still

@Randal'Thor

Rand al'Thor

@Riker Don't worry about satisfying me :-)

Riker

5:52 PM

lol ok

Mithrandir

@Randal'Thor let's put it this way: do you trust Riker, Gall, and I to generally do a good job?

Riker

@mods can you edit the starred picture from 50 min ago to have the one I just linked?

Rand al'Thor

@Mithrandir Regardless of that, I still think other people should be able to get a look in too.

Like I said, having a fancy userscript doesn't qualify someone to be the best at reviewing.

Riker

@Mithrandir also since you seem to know how to inspect-element-modify stuff, html for that image

only works on a lit page though (when you copy-paste it in) because of the css styling and stuff

Mithrandir

@Randal'Thor right, I actually agree. We're not online all the time :P

@Riker not any other beta site?

Riker

6:03 PM

idk haven't tested

Mithrandir

Cause all beta sites have the same look

Riker

ye testing

it does work!

at least on spanish.se

Librarian

1

Q: Why was the previous Literature SE closed?

What's the history behind the first Literature StackExchange? Why was it closed? How can we avoid the same thing from happening to this one?

discussion

Mithrandir

@Librarian I was fairly sure that that was a duplicate but I can't find it

Rand al'Thor

@Mithrandir It's a duplicate of questions on main meta and Area 51 'meta', but that doesn't count.

I've provided the relevant links in comments.

Mithrandir

6:13 PM

I see, but I thought there was a 'how do we prevent this from failing like the other one' on meta.literature.stackexchange.com

Maybe not

Rand al'Thor

Nope.

Mithrandir

So there's only one problem that I have with the site: it's hard to be able to answer questions and still recognize questions about other works, since this covers several genres and lots and lots and lots of works.

Rand al'Thor

@Mithrandir I don't understand what you mean.

How does answering questions stop you from recognising other questions?

Or what do you mean by 'recognise'?

Mithrandir

2

A: Who are the experts? Not us. We've grown a philosophical bezoar - let's work this through!

A good question. First, let's address the question of what the site should be. I would strongly argue that we have to go for the "expert literature" hat. "Books SE" is a weak proposition for two reasons. Firstly, it's too woolly for the Q&A format in my opinion and is likely to turn into a moras...

Like, I don't recognize most of these poems

I'm more of a book guy.

While I do read poetry, it's not my focus.

Get what I'm saying now?

Rand al'Thor

@Emrakul @BESW I finally got round to editing my answer to the "bezoar" meta question. Hopefully it's a bit clearer now what I'm actually saying, and maybe easier to agree with?

Riker

6:26 PM

@Mithrandir ye

Rand al'Thor

@Mithrandir No?

Gallifreyan

@Riker hmm. Will your script open review tabs automatically if I leave the review page open?

Riker

yes

at least it does for me

if it doesn't, it's likely opera not supporting background processes

Gallifreyan

I thought both Chrome and Opera use the same engine

Riker

no clue

Gallifreyan

6:33 PM

Tampermonkey says there are semicolons missing

Rand al'Thor

Not much activity on the site today.

Mithrandir

Unfortunately.

Everyone go ask questions :P

Rand al'Thor

@Mithrandir I posted one today, which so far is on track for Tumbleweed :-/

Also got an idea for another one while writing that one.

Mithrandir

I'm still considering asking a Star Trek Expanded Universe question...

HDE 226868

@Randal'Thor Meh. We had a downturn last Saturday, too, as expected.

Rand al'Thor

6:47 PM

@Mithrandir At the risk of sounding like one of those people who doesn't understand site overlap ... you might get more expert answers to that at SFF.

From Star Trek experts, rather than book experts.

Mithrandir

That I know. It would be an experiment.

Rand al'Thor

@HDE226868 Nowhere near as much as today, I think.

Mithrandir

Also, why'd you delete those? I didn't mind. I starred it :P

b_jonas

@Randal'Thor Ah good, you've posted a story-id on Tuesday. I missed that. literature.stackexchange.com/q/832/139

Pity it's one that would probably be on topic on sci-fi

Riker

hm I have one also maybe on-topic for scifi though

Rand al'Thor

6:51 PM

@b_jonas That's @Mithrandir's. Mine was literature.stackexchange.com/q/815/17

Riker

I'll do it here anyway

Rand al'Thor

@Mithrandir Flagged as obsolete? ;-)

Mithrandir

@b_jonas nooo. I am not a sock.

Riker

@Randal'Thor btw do you mind editing the starred message of mine to have the new image?

this image

this message

Mithrandir

Hmm. A tag can't include a period at the end?

Riker

6:52 PM

nope

or ?/! iirc

Rand al'Thor

@Riker sigh Sure. Done :-)

Riker

thanks!

Rand al'Thor

@Mithrandir Can tags have any punctuation other than hyphens?

Mithrandir

@Randal'Thor what, you don't like mod abuse?

Riker

@Randal'Thor iirc they can have them in the middle?

periods at least

b_jonas

6:54 PM

@Randal'Thor Oh. I got confused, sorry.

Gallifreyan

@Riker sigh pedant

Rand al'Thor

I know they can't have apostrophes, which is a shame for certain character tags (cough [tag:rand-al'thor] cough).

Mithrandir

@Randal'Thor I thought so, because I thought so might need something like that

Rand al'Thor

@Mithrandir I'm not completely sure what I think of this whole business of putting me on Pedantry SE.

I guess it's a compliment :-)

I should show it to @WadCheber too.

@Mithrandir Oh, maybe. c#?

Riker

@Randal'Thor periods in the middle, hashmarks anywhere, and _ becomes a plain hyphen

just tested

(didn't submit edit don't worry)

Mithrandir

6:56 PM

@Mithrandir Pedantry is always something I can get behind! — Rand al'Thor Jan 23 at 17:57

Riker

oh and + anywhere

b_jonas

I've seen some children's book with a protagonist that can hypnotize everyone, but I don't think it's the same one as literature.stackexchange.com/q/832/139 , because the one I saw is older.

Mithrandir

@Randal'Thor ^

b_jonas

I'll look at the other story-id querstions too then

Himarm

@Randal'Thor do you want to add a lit feed to sff(assuming you can add a feed from a private beta) like we do with movies, maybe pick a few specific tags like lotr, hp, ect

Mithrandir

6:57 PM

@b_jonas hmm. You'll notice that I accepted an answer there already ::)

b_jonas

@Randal'Thor yes, they can have pluses and hash marks and more, because of language tags on SO. I think there's a question on meta, let me find it

Rand al'Thor

@b_jonas They've mostly been pretty good so far. We even managed to get Sean Duggan / FuzzyBoots over here to post one!

Riker

periods in the middle, hashmarks and plus signs anywhere, and underscores are moved into hyphens looks like

in addition, hitting , or ; will just let you add a new tag

b_jonas

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Q: Allow more character options in tags

Right now the sidebar says that the allowed characters for tags are: tag characters: [a-z 0-9 + # - .] Is it possible to extend this to support other characters? As the Stack-Exchange network gets bigger, more and more use-cases seem to appear for additional characters. For example, the "!...

feature-request tags

Mithrandir

I'm pretty sure they're not the same people...

Rand al'Thor

6:58 PM

@Himarm Probably best to wait until public beta? Since people without Lit accounts will get frustrated to see the onebox and not be able to follow the link.

Riker

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A: What symbols/characters are not allowed in tags?

On the sidebar it says that these are the Tag Characters: Tag characters: [a-z 0-9 + # - .] I'd assume anything not listed there is invalid.

also accents are stripped

b_jonas

@Mithrandir Sure, there's an accepted answer, but I still wanted to find out if it's the same book I remembered. It's not.

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