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12:28 AM
Q: Why is it a mistake to “eliminate” rather than “analyse” in "Aurora Leigh"?

Gareth ReesIn book I of Aurora Leigh (1856) by Elizabeth Barrett Browning, the eponymous narrator describes the process of forming her values and beliefs out of a throng of idées reçus:                             All this anguish in the thick Of men’s opinions … press and counterpress, Now up, now down, n...

1:17 AM
My list of Questions I Want To Ask is growing faster than my time to sit down and write them out.
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5:16 AM
@Randal'Thor So I did leave a comment with suggestions on how to improve the question encouraging that OP to undelete their question or post it on Lit. They never responded. It's safe to assume they are good now. And yes! I think it was this metaphorical use that caused confusion for them. "When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a neon light/ That split the night/ And touched the sound of silence"
My favorite Simon & Garfunkel
@verbose My curiosity is piqued. Were you part of the Biden campaign?
5:40 AM
@EddieKal no, I was with an outfit called They See Blue. It mobilizes South Asian voters for Democratic causes.
@verbose Gotta star this. A lot of people I have met of South Asian/East Asian stock, including my friends, predominantly lean Republican.
In Cali especially where there are sizable and vibrant Asian communities the GOP and Trumpism have been winning over a lot of voters
I really hope that is going to change someday
5:57 AM
South Asians by and large are heavily Democratic. Like, upward of 80%. If you discount Indian-Americans and just look at Pakistani-Americans or Bangladeshi-Americans or Nepali-Americans, etc., the figure goes up to about 95%. The Indian-American community is trending Republican, sadly, which is nuts.
@verbose Wow that high? I didn't know that. Glad to know.
6:14 AM
Q: Man is in jail for murder, gets killed by victims family

lcb0407Ok I think this was a short story I read, but it may have been a novel or even a tv show or movie. There is a man in jail for murder and a lady is there asking him to write in a journal or something and show regret for killing his victim(s)? And he doesn’t show regret so the family of the victim ...

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9:41 AM
@EddieKal oops I typo'd it. Upward of 70% (not 80%) for south asians as a whole. The other figure is correct. The reason for the disparity is that Indian-Americans as a block are only about 60–65% Dem, but they are the biggest block of South Asians in the US by far, so...
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11:38 AM
Q: The Wanderer poem (Exeter book)

IkeChoose what describes the tone of “The Wanderer” best. a) It is deeply philosophical. b) It is highly emotional. c) It is carefree

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12:03 PM
Q: Why does Petrarch's sequence of poems to Laura have three different titles?

verbosePetrarch's celebrated sequence of 366 poems to Laura goes by three different titles. As far as I can tell, they're used interchangeably: Il Canzoniere, The Songbook Rerum Vulgarium Fragmenta, Fragments of Common Things Rime Sparse, Scattered Rhymes. Scholarly as well as popular editions or tran...

12:28 PM
Q: Were English poets of the sixteenth century aware of the Great Vowel Shift?

Gareth ReesThe Great Vowel Shift was a series of changes in the pronounciation of English vowel sounds, marking the dividing line between Middle English and Modern English. A wholesale shift of sounds took place during the fifteenth century, including (most significantly for this question) the silencing of ...

12:53 PM
Q: What does spit mean in "spit in my glove" from the memoir by Powers? Literally spit?

crucify fickle crankAn excerpt from My Glove by Katherine A. Powers: I walked around (out of sight of the house) with the glove tucked under my arm, wishing I could shove it in my back pocket like boys did in books, but of course my pants, when I was allowed to wear pants, had no pockets because my mother had made ...

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2:08 PM
Q: Poems collecting African proverbs

Chris Sunami supports MonicaWhen I was a student, many years ago, I remember reading a fascinating piece about traditional African poetry. It mentioned a style --maybe from West Africa, maybe related to the griots --where each line of the poem is basically an elliptical allusion to a well-known proverb. So the poem stands a...

3:00 PM
@Randal'Thor Is the right tag for the Katherine A. Powers question? Here's the original publication of "My Glove" in Creative Nonfiction 34 (2008). It does not seem to be a short story, in the sense "short work of prose fiction". Maybe would be better
3:51 PM
I have close-vote privileges! Just noticed :D
@bobble Congrats! :-D
@GarethRees Thanks for catching that - I'd skimmed quickly through the piece and it seemed like a short fiction story, but I didn't notice the name of the journal (?) it was published in.
I'm still not entirely comfortable with regular voting, and now I can close-vote. I'll probably be very-extra-cautious with close-voting for a while.
4:09 PM
@Tsundoku What do you think about my new meta post? You were always against using story-identification to tag all ID questions, so I hope the tag name I've proposed will solve your concerns.
@bobble Yeah fair enough. The good thing about close voting is that you can't close stuff by yourself, you're only one of five, but it's totally understandable to be cautious until you've learned more about site norms and policies.
@Randal'Thor identification-request: I almost feel stupid for not thinking of that. It's better than what I had proposed.
4:43 PM
@Bookworm "marking the dividing line between Middle English and Modern English": if the Great Vowel Shift took roughly three centuries to complete, it's more like an ocean than a dividing line. And it would have been less obvious than the climate change we are experiencing now (which some people are still trying to ignore or explain away as "weather").
People made fun of regional accents, malapropisms, affected speech, etc. It sounds plausible that the effects of what we now call the Great Vowel Shift could be explained away at the time as personal preferences. But I'm just speculating, of course.
I can't remember whether David Crystal said anything about the GVS in Pronouncing Shakespeare (i.e. in the first edition from 2006).
5:01 PM
"Helge Kökeritz, in Shakespeare's Pronunciation, lists Shakespeare's puns, many of which are only understandable with some knowledge of the GVS." (Melinda J. Menzer's website) But this does not imply that contemporaries were aware of the GVS.
5:32 PM
Q: Proposal: rename [story-identification] to [identification-request]

Rand al'ThorOne of the top tags on this site is story-identification, with over 400 questions to date. Such questions are on-topic here: a literature site is the most likely to have well-read people with the necessary experience to be able to identify stories and solve such questions. But identifying other t...

6:14 PM
Two new tags: and . The second seems a bit broad to me (and also triggers my "stop lumping all of Africa together" annoyance).
hmm, also . I didn't check that one because I thought it already existed.
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7:50 PM
@bobble agree that is too broad. Do we have , , and the like?
Thirded. "Africa" is not a country, and "African" is not a language.
@EddieKal I mean, I’m okay with 🙃
8:08 PM
@bobble Yeah, the second one should definitely go under our usual policy on what [*-literature] tags to have. I was just waiting for someone else to remove it since I seem to be always the one enforcing that policy :-P
would hopefully be merged into if my new proposal on meta takes off.
8:39 PM
@Tsundoku What would we do about in that case though? Roll it into one big identification-request tag? I hadn't thought of that when writing my proposal, but I feel like identifying quotes is a different skillset from identifying books/stories/poems/comics/etc.
Should be edited out? (a quick search for "is:q proverb" has 8 hits). Should be replaced by ?
Since I'm already editing out , I minus well clean up other tags as well
9:15 PM
@Randal'Thor I'd rather keep those separate.
@Randal'Thor would not cover requests for non-fiction works. ?
9:29 PM
@verbose We also need and then :-P
Can I ask for an explanation of an in-universe event? Specifically, there are a few references to how one character sells luxury items for food, and I'm wondering who they sold to (considering the whole world was hurting for food at that time)
@bobble That type of questions is acceptable here, even though they aren't very literary.
(same book). There's another part I'm confused on, when one character remarks that something is ironic to them. I don't see how it's ironic; could I ask why they would see irony?
Yes, that type of question is definitely OK.
9:46 PM
What would be a good title? "Why does <character name> find this remark ironic?", "Why does <character name> find this remark by <character name> ironic?", something else? Should the book title be in the question title?
@Randal'Thor excellent point really.
Hey y’all is there any way to stealth edit my own answers? I’ve been reviewing them and I realize that in a few I have points that are unclear, misleading, or in one case, wrong. I wanna clean them up but I hate that every time I tinker with an answer it gets bumped up to the ton of the active questions list
As far as I know, there isn't.
Q: Prevent edits of under 6 characters of your own post from bumping it to the top of the active list

3nafishSo...I just found a typo in one of my old posts. It's only one character off. On the one hand, I want to fix it because I'd like my posts to be typo-free. On the other hand, I don't want to look like one of those people who make small edits to their posts just to get them repeatedly bumped to ...

No. You'll just have to live with the fact that you're also bumping them, eventually trying to conglomerate multiple fixes into single ones or decide when it is worth fixing a typo vs a bigger problem.
@verbose No, there is no stealth mode, not ever for mods.
The main-meta post linked above has a resounding "No" answer
9:53 PM
@Tsundoku out of curiosity and if it’s not too personal a q, are you Flemish, Walloon, or something else? Based on the fact that you live in Germany I’m guessing Flemish but that’s actually not a very good line of reasoning at all
@bobble thanks and gfd
@verbose I am Flemish and my native language is Dutch.
gfd = ?
@bobble warning, unparliamentary language ahead, @Tsundoku might wanna avert his eyes. gfd = godfuckingdammit
@Tsundoku thanks. Isn’t that a tautology? Like, aren’t Flemish folks by definition Dutch speakers? Or are there some whose native language is South Frisian or something
@verbose I can't count the number of times I had to convince people that the official language of Flanders is not Flemish but Dutch. I even had to convince someone that Belgians don''t speak "Belgian".
(I once met a German history student who thought we spoke Belgian. Sigh)
"a students"?
10:01 PM
Fortunately only one.
@verbose I don't think it is either a logical tautology or a linguistic one
@verbose And there still is a minority, descending from the old bourgeoisie class, whose native language is French. At my school, there were well represented.
@Tsundoku my understanding of German history is that they just plan on ensuring that the entire world speaks German, so why would they care about other languages. Like, too bad the Brits beat them to it and we’re all Saxophone now . 🎷
@Tsundoku i had no idea. Thanks for the info!
@verbose Saxophone sounds better than Germophone :-P
how big is said minority?
I mean I could Google but since you’re here
@NapoleonWilson great advice, thanks
10:06 PM
@verbose I think there aren't any hard data about this. In Brussels, you can't even legally find out; a census that asks that sort of question would be illegal!
According to this footnote, the percentage of native speakers of French in Flanders was 3.2% in 1846, 4.1% in 1866 and 12.3% in 1910. Not exactly recent data.
@Tsundoku and if I’m reading the data correctly the large increase could also just be Walloons moving to Flanders, yes?
@verbose I haven't read the article in detail. As far as I know, Wallonia was more prosperous than Flanders in the 19th century and early 20th century.
4.1 to 12.3 is quite a jump tho
10:14 PM
And, ironically, the only Belgian Nobel Prize in Literature was awarded to a French-speaking author from Flanders: Maurice Maeterlinck.
The best "Flemish" literature in the late 19th and early 20th century was written in French. But don't say that to voters of Flemish separatist parties ...
re "why is this ironic" question: how to tag? I have , , and . Would apply? Should I create to use instead of (or alongside) the general series tag?
already exists, sorry
No I mean there are like 12 new tags in general
Personally, I don't think should be a tag because, well, it doesn't really do anything, but whatever
It's only on one other question
10:19 PM
More the reason
okay, removed it from my question-to-be
I mean, you can use it. I just personally don't see the need for such a tag, but other users here might disagree
Also, I tend to be very minimalistic in my tagging philosophy
seriously? Someone actually made a tag with this? I mean I know I've joked before that I might accidentally tag something as but like... smh
does "smh" mean anything specifically?
It stands for "smack my head"
You can read it as a facepalm of a sort
It usually is used to express the feeling of "I seriously can't believe you did that"
@Tsundoku @Randal'Thor @EddieKal @verbose @other people interested What to do with the tag?
10:40 PM
that's a whole lotta pings
Well, I don't know who'd be interested. I also could ping Gareth Reese, but I think 4 is more than enough
I feel like "proverbs" leans more closely towards a genre tag than a substantial medium tag
Also, while you've been pinged, I believe this question needs an tag
Literature tags are used for questions that were published in a language other than English. Old English is substantially more different than "English", and honestly is more like a different language, especially because it uses a different script.
I think the main point is that Old English is substantially different from "modern" English that it justifies needing its own language tag.
Though, maybe it doesn't really matter because that question will (unfortunately) get closed. It's unfortunate because it's a genuinely interesting question, but the scope just needs to be more focused
Well, actually, I just focused it. That, I think, is specific enough
Q: Poems collecting African proverbs

Chris Sunami supports MonicaWhen I was a student, many years ago, in the mid 1990s, I remember reading a fascinating piece about traditional African poetry. If I remember correctly, it was a scholarly article reprinted an anthology that we were assigned in high school --but I don't know if that's accurate or not. I graduate...

^Does that count as story-identification? I know it's not asking for a "story", by it's is asking for a book
Well, an article
10:58 PM
If I remember correctly, it was tagged initially but switched to within the grace period. Then was edited out.
Can we change the tag for to something a bit broader?
See Rand's recent meta post
Ah, missed it. Thank you
@PrinceNorthLæraðr My two cents, before others more familiar with tags come in, would be to keep it. I consider proverbs a rhetorical device. But with respect to consistency, I think you, Rand, and Tsundoku are better positioned to decide on its fate
We normally don't tag things based on rhetorical devices, or at least it isn't common. I'm not really sure what to make of it though, so I'll see what Randy and Tsundoku has to say
11:12 PM
wait, we can call Rand "Randy"?
No, I just sometimes do
@bobble What about @PrinceNorthLæraðr? Princey?
I just get called "North" :P
"your tallness"
Har har
I should note that you should all make more effort to treet me with more respect
11:16 PM
"treet me" - on purpose?
11:31 PM
@bobble My default is to assume Rand is short for his full name, which is Randolph.
@PrinceNorthLæraðr wrt to and , perhaps a more generic would be more useful. Except of course there's irony and there's irony. Verbal irony is a rhetorical device, dramatic/situational irony a structural one.
> there's irony and there's irony
@verbose Right. I would investigate more, except, I'm a bit tired
@bobble ironic, isn’t it

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