I have now edited the question to make it understood better. This now therefore doesnt answer it. — expern1 hour ago
I have edited the question to make it understood better and therefore this doesnt answer the question as it is now put.NOT working the land is more like a choivas gavro. — expern2 hours ago
@expern, it still answers the question. There is one that cannot be understood, which shows that we do it because HaShem commanded us, not because it makes sense otherwise. — Seth J3 mins ago
@expern, showing that your assumption is incorrect does not make this a bad answer; this still answers the question. — Seth J1 min ago
@SethJ Any idea what the difference is between חק and חקה?
(That's chok and chukkah since I don't feel like typing vowels.)
@msh210 too ^^^ or anyone else with ideas
It occurred to me because this answer describes the value of chukim, but para adumma is in the category of chukkot ("zot chukkat hatroah" being feminine)
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I was using an ArtScroll chumash last week and when the baalk'ria got to "שָׁטוּ הָעָם וְלָקְטוּ וְטָחֲנוּ בָרֵחַיִם אוֹ דָכוּ בַּמְּדֹכָה וּבִשְּׁלוּ בַּפָּרוּר וְעָשׂוּ אֹתוֹ עֻגוֹת" he pronounced the first word "sha-TU".
Now, I know a little grammar, and I know the past tense of "shat" is "SHA-tu".
@msh210 The two versions show up all around Tanach with no apparent pattern. Masculine: חק חקים חקיו חקם חקי chok chukkim chukkav chukkam chukkai. Feminine: חקה חקת חקותם חקותי chukkah chukkat chukkotam chukkotai.
The baal k'ria paused a moment. I figured he hadn't heard me, so I repeated the correction. He paused again and then repeated the pasuk, again saying "sha-TU".
So I let him go on. What could I do?
After the k'ria he comes over to me and shows me that in his newfangled fancy tikun it has "sha-TU". He tells me he'd always read it "SHA-tu" but that that year he noticed the tikun's version so made a mental note to read "sha-TU".
I figured his tikun was wrong but decidedto check Minchas Shay to be sure.
The Mosad Harav Kuk (I think it is) -version Minchas Shay has a footnote citing someone or other who gives some phonological explanation for the odd stress (something about a g'ronis following in "haam").
But, yeah, most peculiar. And then how many people came up to me after davening, and I had to explain I was grammatically right but nonetheless wrong!
@DoubleAA it's on the first word of 11:10. Translation to follow be"H....
@DoubleAA heh
the pasuk is שָׁבוּ עַל עֲוֹנֹת אֲבוֹתָם הָרִאשֹׁנִים etc
which 'should' be SHA-vu
My navi has sha-VU (but is not very reliable)
and MS says: One S'faradi book says "mil'el" in the margin. And an old book says "mil'el, but 'shatu haam v'lak'tu' is mil'ra". See MS on B'haalos'cha.
@Daniel One knows what to do themselves in order to fulfill the mitzva, and one knows all the gemaras, rishonim, shutim that determine practice and can use that knowledge to handle different non-standard situations.
Most orthodox jewish males can tie their tefillin on their arm, but how many can tie the knot on the tefillin?
@Daniel Knowing what to do if there the women made a counting mistake/had a medical procedure done/might have a chatzitza/might have a veset/all the other questions that people turn to experts for because they don't know.
Obligatory reference (Chullin 9a) ואמר רב יהודה אמר רב תלמיד חכם צריך שילמוד ג' דברים כתב שחיטה ומילה ורב חנניא בר שלמיא משמיה דרב אמר אף קשר של תפילין וברכת חתנים וציצית ואידך הני שכיחן
So I guess it's a machloket if everyone knows how to tie tefillin knots
@msh210, Your story was an emotional rollercoaster for me. Beha'alotecha is my bar mitzva parsha, so it was the first parasha I learned to lein and the only one I really [think I] know well in total. I've leined it or parts of it many times since my bar mitzva. And I've always leined "shaTU." Now, my tikkun, purchased when I was 13 and still in use, is probably not the best in the world, and it differs from other, I think more authoritative, texts sometimes ...
... (e.g. it has chataf patachs in the words "rivevot" and "kemit-onenim" where most other texts I've seen have shvas). So, when I read your grammatical objection and @DoubleAA's applause, I was afraid that I'd been reading this wrong all along. Then, when I read the rest of the story and your subsequent research, my confidence was restored.
@DoubleAA Thanks. May you, msh210, his ba'al kreiya, and everyone else here enjoy siy'ata dishemaya in receiving, implementing, understanding, and promulgating the correct mesora for leining and everything else.
@msh210, I shall share your finding, by your name if you don't mind, with a rebbe from my kids' school who sits behind me in shul, who is interested in dikduk and leining, and whose teenaged son shares this parsha with me and therefore splits the leining annually with me.
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