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Q: Is Niqaab (full face viel)Fard for Muslim women

@Ali Wa Alaikum salam

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Ali

2:49 PM

A fatwa regarding this issue is found here which quotes the Quranic ayat and interpretation: Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan (may Allaah preserve him) said: The correct view as indicated by the evidence is that the woman’s face is ‘awrah which must be covered. It is the most tempting part of...

3:44 PM

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4:06 PM

@AlUmmatمجاهد would you say that Arabic is a difficult language to learn?

Also, do you think that meaning is lost when reading the Quran in translation?

@Daniel well, to tell the truth, that is not a question to ask me. My language is Arabic, so that question is more worthy to be answered by someone who is learning it

@Daniel The translation of the Quran is simply a Tafseer, or it's explanation, and is no way the Quran. The Quran yes can lose some meanings when you try to explain it in a language, but at the same time if you take a while to simply explain each verse correctly for while, that I do not believe has any difference then the Arabic Tafseer. Then Again I do not really read the translation of any language

@AlUmmatمجاهد Interesting, ok

@Daniel Speaking as one who hasn't actually learnt Arabic (yet), it really doesn't seem all that difficult. It's very much unlike English though, which is a fairly substantial hurdle to overcome.

4:22 PM

@goldPseudo Ah, well I speak Hebrew, so hopefully that would be ok

Ali

Assalamalaikum

the triconsonental roots alone (much like Hebrew) really help with understanding; even if you don't know the exact verb/noun form itself, picking up meaning from context based on the root is fairly simple.

@Ali Wa Alaikum salam

@goldPseudo I took first-year Arabic in university

Nowhere near enough to be able to converse or read with much comprehension at all

it's very similar to hebrew (insofar as i can actually read and understand a good handful of Hebrew sentences based on my knowledge of Arabic grammar, despite not actually knowing either language)

4:23 PM

but I got the basic idea of some of the simpler gramatical structures

I do think that Arabic is more complicated than Hebrew, though. Arabic has more verb forms (12 instead of 7), more tenses, and case (which Hebrew doesn't have)

yeah, there be a lot of conjugations. but just knowing the root and some basic rules can decipher a good chunk of them.

e.g.: if it starts with "t", it's second-person. if it starts with "y", it's third person. if it ends with "h", it's feminine. if it ends with "een", it's plural.

@goldPseudo Yes, interestingly the past-tense verb conjugations in Arabic are pretty much identical to future-tense verb conjugations in Hebrew

of course, once you get into different verb Forms, things get complex. they're fairly regular, just there's a lot of them.

kataba: to write. kattaba: to cause to write. kaataba: to correspond with. aktaba: to dictate. and so on.

4:49 PM

on a semi-related note: researching Arabic texts while not actually knowing Arabic can cause headaches.

@Ali Would this not be better split into two questions? It seems to be both a source-identification question and an attempt to analyze the evidences in (half of) a fatwa.

they're clearly related, but i'm not sure if they're quite the same question.

5:35 PM

My Arabic isn't strong enough to read (and confirm) it, but this link seems to provide sources of the hadith in question: saaid.net/Doat/khojah/27.htm — goldPseudo 23 secs ago

6:13 PM

@goldPseudo حدثني علي، قال: ثنا أبو صالح، قال: ثنى معاوية، عن علي، عن ابن عباس قوله: "يا أيها النبي قل لأزواجك وبناتك ونساء المؤمنين يدنين عليهن من جلابيبهن": أمر الله نساء المؤمنين، إذا خرجن من بيوتهن في حاجة، أن يغطين وجوههن، من فوق رؤوسهن بالجلابيب، ويبدين عينا واحدة

@goldPseudo I am unsure though of it's authenticity, I will see if the article of that link specifies it

there are actually a number of narrations from the Salaf similar to the translation that Ali provided

but the one above I saw narrated from Ibn Abbas

6:48 PM

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Q: When the name of a chat room ends in a space, formatting breaks

9:11 PM

Example: 12 messages moved to Islam and Judaism dialogue 12 messages moved to [Islam and Judaism dialogue ](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/8758/islam-and-judaism-dialogue) The lack of a space does not break the link here on the site itself, but it does in chat, even in system messag...

bug chat

i was wondering about that.

i fixed the name in the IJd room to get rid of the extra space.

(stealth spaces are one of the many banes of my existence. or at least career.)

Interestingly, the missing space also breaks the link in the preview of this question in chat. — TRiG 12 secs ago

@goldPseudo Stealth spaces can result in all kinds of weirdness.

@TRiG Actually, no it doesn't. the preview in chat just removes the formatting, so you can't see where your code block begins.

@goldPseudo rereads Ah, yes. You're right.

@TRiG Agreed. Now add to the mix a proprietary system that treats strings and numbers as interchangeable, and considers spaces as equivalent to zeroes.

i regularly have to deal with numbers randomly (and stealthily) being multiplied by ten.

9:24 PM

@goldPseudo Well, I program in javascript and PHP, so this doesn't strike me as that unusual. Annoying, yes, but not unusual.

@goldPseudo Now that would drive me up the wall.

i wish i could be stuck with javascript and php (despite not really knowing either language). i get to work with a twenty-year old proprietary language that's loosely based on COBOL.

@goldPseudo Joy!

what i wouldn't give for arrays. or a for-next loop.

Double AA

10:25 PM

@AlUmmatمجاهد 'bout time :)

@DoubleAA :)

10:45 PM

@MoriDoweedhYaAgob I assume you are joking

yes

hmm... to whom?

double

@MoriDoweedhYaAgob he is not a jew like you?

he is

its a joke

10:47 PM

hmm.... Jokes must have some sense of respect

"whoever believes in God and the last day say good or be silent"

@MoriDoweedhYaAgob calling someone an infidel directly is not really a joke , you may do that in the Mi yodeya room, but please don't do it here

thank you :)

also, we Muslims are not allowed to call or judge any individuals Kafir or Mushrik (unless of course it is made crystal clear, but even then carefulness is needed) , because only that is up to Allah to judge individuals . Just thought I'd say that just in case any confusion arises

the laws are known by jews as well