V'dibarta Bam

12:07 AM

My kids report having done "dreidel" painting in art class at school, during Chanuka. It involves dipping standard dreidels into paint and spinning them on paper.

jake

12:39 AM

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I'm not sure if this is the right forum for such a thing, but I would like to announce to the Mi Yodeya community that I will soon be getting married! The wedding is to take place on May 22 in Toronto, Ontario. Any Torontonian Yodeyans (or non-Torontonians, for that matter) are invited to come share in the simcha and introduce themselves. (If anyone's interested, I can provide the details.)

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@IsaacMoses @DoubleAA @msh210 @SethJ @MonicaCellio @HodofHod

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

@EveryoneElse

MoriDoweedhYaAgob

mazal tov

Fred

@jake Mazal tov!

jake

@Fred @MoriDoweedhYaAgob Thank you.

MoriDoweedhYaAgob

brooklyn to toronto is a long shlep

i dont think i can make it :(

Fred

@jake יהיה רצון שתזכו להקים בית נאמן בישראל

HodofHod

12:49 AM

@jake MAZAL TOV!!! May you merit to build a binyan adei ad!

jake

@Fred @HodofHod Amen! Thanks.

Double AA

I think a Mi Yodeya Lechayim is in order. Turn up your speakers and mix your drinks

Attention:

@jake Your house should always be filled with love, warmth, and kindness. Your former username יעבץ is the same gematria as ענבים which symbolizes the famous Gemara in Pesachim 49a תנו רבנן: לעולם ימכור אדם כל מה שיש לו וישא בת תלמיד חכם, וישיא בתו לתלמיד חכם. משל לענבי הגפן בענבי הגפן, דבר נאה ומתקבל that when good people and Talmidei Chachamim get married to each other it is a beautiful thing. Mazel Tov! <drink>

Fred

@DoubleAA These audio files are making me thirsty.

Double AA

1:08 AM

@Fred Well, you're supposed to actually participate in the lechayim!

jake

@DoubleAA L'Chaim! Shkoyich! Did you just make that up?

Fred

@DoubleAA Very nice.

Double AA

@jake ~~I must admit to not having any other friends named יעבץ.~~ I've used it on all my friends named Yaavetz!

@jake Is that actually your Hebrew name?

jake

Not to burst your bubble, but my old username yaavetz was based on my hebrew name "יעקב אליהו בן צבי", in which case I am the only (to my knowledge) yaavetz with an aleph.

@DoubleAA ^^

Double AA

@jake That's gematria of הכוכבים, and so should be your descendants!

(It's also gematria הוא אדני יהוה but I don't know if that really applies to you.)

(Nothing personal.)

jake

1:22 AM

@DoubleAA What? Do you have one of those gematria books with you. (Is there a website?)

@DoubleAA (No offense taken.)

Double AA

@jake There are plenty of websites. Trick is to subtract common prefixes or הוא or זה to maximize your options.

There's only one more important question: @jake Did you meet her on Mi Yodeya???

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Shmuel Brin

Why are there three different titles for each of the moderators?

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/468/vdibarta-bam

Double AA

@ShmuelBrin You mean under our names?

Shmuel Brin

@DoubleAA yes

Double AA

@ShmuelBrin We put it there manually. It's not automatic.

I did it because I'm technically a chat mod everywhere (as are all mods) so if someone else sees me they can know that.

Shmuel Brin

1:32 AM

@DoubleAA but you don't have a diamond (unlike msh210)

Double AA

@ShmuelBrin msh210 must have put in a diamond character.

jake

@DoubleAA Haven't you heard? I'm getting married to Ben Masada!

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Double AA

@ShmuelBrin like these ♦♦♦♦♦♦♦♦

jake

@DoubleAA, Only kidding, of course.

Double AA

@jake bat masada?

jake

1:35 AM

@DoubleAA Indeed

Double AA

@jake :)

@ShmuelBrin LOL

jake

@DoubleAA I'll post in a moment the poem I wrote for the wedding invitation. I think you might appreciate it.

Double AA

@jake לא תרמוז בשור ובחמור יחדו

Seth J

@jake, that's awesome news! Mazal Tov!

jake

@SethJ Thanks

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@DoubleAA ^^

@DoubleAA You probably mean "לא תחרוז"

Double AA

1:43 AM

@jake Beautiful!!!

That is a very well done piece of piyut. Impressive!

MoriDoweedhYaAgob

mashaAllah

Double AA

@jake I think צהלה is with a chataf-kamatz under the hey.

as should be the (chataf)-patach under the chet in acharav and the alef in taamin

I like how you wrote סתו like the Ktiv not the Kri

I'm nitpicking of course. It's really very nice

@jake Wait, you spell your name with a segol? Isn't Eliyahu a tzere?

jake

2:07 AM

@DoubleAA, yeah, the nekudos were just a temporary thing. They didn't end up in the final draft. I actually don't know about eliyahu. I rarely use it. Is it a tzere?

Monica Cellio

@jake mazel tov!

@ShmuelBrin in my case, because I hadn't noticed that I'd never edited mine. Fixed now. :-)

Fred

@jake וַיֹּאמֶר אֵלִיָּהוּ הַתִּשְׁבִּי מִתֹּשָׁבֵי גִלְעָד

Isaac Moses

2:25 AM

@jake MAZAL TOV! Recalling the days of the Parasha Chat, when you were frequently the one to start a great Torah conversation, I say: May you and your wife always have something good to talk about.

@jake There's at least one Torontonian Yodeyan.

HodofHod

@IsaacMoses Mightn't that be him, though?

Isaac Moses

@HodofHod Might. Mightn't. I don't know, but presumably, he does.

HodofHod

@IsaacMoses 'tis true, I suppose.

Double AA

@jake :) After I wrote that I felt bad that I'd ruined your invitation. Eliyahu is with a tzere (and a dagesh chazak in the yud). There is also אליהו Elihu (chataf-segol) who is the random fourth guy to argue with Iyov.

@MonicaCellio It's not a requirement.

Monica Cellio

@DoubleAA understood, but I still thought it was useful to have that info in there.

Double AA

2:32 AM

@jake yes, I did mean that.

@IsaacMoses DON'T FORGET TO COUNT!

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Isaac Moses

@DoubleAA Done and done. Thanks! 49 = 100

Daniel

@jake Mazel Tov!

jake

@DoubleAA Thanks for your praise, though. My inner poet appreciates the ego boost.

Double AA

@jake How long did it take you?

jake

@IsaacMoses @MonicaCellio @Daniel Thanks for your well wishes

@DoubleAA Couple days of word-playing in my head.

Monica Cellio

2:46 AM

Hey, a chat-minyan! (Since we're not davening you can count me. :-) )

Daniel

@MonicaCellio :) Is this an uncommon occurance?

jake

@IsaacMoses @HodofHod I am not from Toronto; my fiance is.

Monica Cellio

@Daniel 10 seems pretty uncommon to me. 5-7 happens fairly often, but more than that seems rare. I haven't made a careful study, though. (Maybe people are just waiting for me to leave to have the big parties. :-) )

Daniel

@MonicaCellio We're all just here to have a party with @jake

jake

@DoubleAA Like I said, I only pointed it to ease the work of the proofreaders, who don't really know the difference between chatafs and dagesh's (which I have to think about too much for it to be worth it anyways). And like I said the final version is without nekudos.

Monica Cellio

2:50 AM

@Daniel indeed. I'm glad there are so many here to do that!

jake

@IsaacMoses Parsha Chats... good times

Double AA

@jake Try reading Shnayim Mikra with degeshim chazakim for 6 months or so. You'll get a natural feel for where they belong soon enough.

msh210

@jake Mazal tov!!! You should have a happy marriage together and build a home full of Torah and mitzvos in good health.

jake

@DoubleAA I've lained long enough to get a very basic feel for it. Basically under every t'nua (non-shva) following a t'nua k'tana. But I still have to think about it briefly before saying it, and I'm sure there are more precise rules than that.

@msh210 Amen. Thank you.

Double AA

@MonicaCellio Now we have 11!

Vehu rachum.....

Isaac Moses

3:01 AM

@jake When you read them enough, like @DoubleAA suggests, you'll hear them coming without having to think about rules.

Double AA

@IsaacMoses @jake Indeed. Let me tell you there is little hope for memorizing where every single one arbitrarily goes in a parsha to lain them, unless they just flow naturally. Similar to the way you probably adjust begedkefet somewhat subconsciously.

Isaac Moses

... same thing, incidentally, with knowing which words are spelled with 'ayins, and which with alefs.

Double AA

On the other hand, the first time I lained megillah, I had to force myself while practicing to stop saying Hammmmmman.

jake

@IsaacMoses @DoubleAA That's probably the best idea. I could definitely use a little bit of an upgrade in my grammatical instincts.

Double AA

@IsaacMoses True, but those are in front of you in case you forget :)

Isaac Moses

3:05 AM

@DoubleAA For reading, yes.

jake

@DoubleAA I should have known better than to post the pointed version of that poem in this chatroom before going through it carefully and adding all the dageshes and chatafs (and don't forget metegs). :)

Daniel

@jake Yes, probably about 80% of all people who are capable with the internet and will nitpick about the nekudot are in this chatroom right now

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jake

@Daniel Tell me about it.

Double AA

@Daniel WAF isn't here. We just had a nekudot joke about his edit in the comments here judaism.stackexchange.com/q/28742/759

jake

@Daniel There's gotta be something to the correlation between nekudos nitpickers and great site moderators.

Double AA

3:11 AM

@jake That's true. Rov of past moderators are excellent grammarians (WAF IsaacMoses and msh210).

Daniel

WOOHOO 49/49!!

Isaac Moses

@DoubleAA I'll cop to interest, but not to excellence, and observe that part of the moderator's job is ledakdek

"How exactly should we classify questions relating to each sub-category of issur melacha?"

jake

@DoubleAA @IsaacMoses Y'know, now that I think about it, more than once before have random conversations I've had here turned into grammar nitpickings.

Isaac Moses

@Daniel There's also a correlation between dikduk-interest and the sort of geekiness that puts someone into CS or Internet enthusiasm, so I think your statistic is probably too high.

Fred

@DoubleAA Haman min haTorah minayin? Hammmmmman. :)

Double AA

3:19 AM

@Fred Surprising that that isn't the gemara's response. Also that is totally a correctable mistake.

jake

@DoubleAA I would never correct that. What are you even supposed to say to correct it?

Fred

@DoubleAA Yeah, presumably there's some significant connection beyond the nekudos.

@jake You'd say it without emphasizing the mem.

Double AA

@jake You say: haman. You could probably even say "rafeh" or "no dagesh" like pass the salt. If the reader is doing degeshim chazakim he'll probably get it.

Daniel

Alright folks, I'm heading out. Have a good night

jake

@DoubleAA Maybe. But besides the fact that many baalei k'ria will not understand what you're trying to say, the difference itself is negligible to the point that the listener can hardly tell if it's a mistake or not.

@DoubleAA I'm very meikel when it comes to correcting baalei k'ria. (Or very machmir when it comes to their embarrassment.)

@Daniel Good night.

Double AA

3:25 AM

@jake Well, ya, only correct someone to distinguish something that they are distinguishing. If the reader is not paying attention to degeshim chazakim then don't correct them on it.

Isaac Moses

@jake @DoubleAA is known to be quite machmir

jake

@DoubleAA Fair enough.

Double AA

@jake @IsaacMoses I'm machmir by only correcting when I know it changes the meaning. It's amazing how often I hear people being corrected for mistakes that don't change the meaning.

Isaac Moses

@DoubleAA Sorry. Medakdek

Double AA

Incidentally, a good baal keria should prefer to be corrected than not fulfill his obligation to the tzibbur.

jake

3:27 AM

@IsaacMoses @DoubleAA Yeah, I saw that. Funny, because someone actually corrected me for that same mistake when I was still in high school. I've done it correctly since then.

Double AA

26 secs ago, by Double AA

Incidentally, a good baal keria should prefer to be corrected than not fulfill his obligation to the tzibbur.

Now we know what kind of baal keria you are.

Isaac Moses

@DoubleAA Not surprised

@DoubleAA Good midah to bring into being a husband, too! ;^D

Double AA

@IsaacMoses One time, I was so machmir, that when everyone kept yelling "eis" and "es" to correct him (one of the mishkan parshas) I yelled out from the back of the crowd "it doesn't matter". That shut them up.

Isaac Moses

@DoubleAA Right on

jake

@DoubleAA I was annoyed by the same thing in shul a couple months ago. I wasn't as courageous though.

Double AA

3:40 AM

@jake I didn't really plan it. It kind of just happened.

soandos

4:04 AM

Can anyone help me find midrash tanchuma tazriah 5? I can't seem to find any numbers in this version. Am I just missing something, or are the numbers not there?

Fred

4:19 AM

@soandos Is it regarding bris milah?

@Fred yes

@soandos Stand by.

Thanks

@soandos daat.ac.il/daat/olam_hatanah/…

soandos

@jake perfect, thank you

Double AA

4:24 AM

@Fred ping ^^^

Fred

@DoubleAA Yeah, I just found it in the Hebrewbooks version.

@soandos One page earlier than the one you linked to. First column.

Double AA

@Fred I didn't know how far along you'd gone in your search.

soandos

Are there numbers there that I'm just missing?

Or do I just count wide spaces or something

Fred

@soandos I didn't see numbers.

soandos

@jake your source makes it much easier, so thanks

Fred

4:27 AM

@soandos No indication afaik.

soandos

@Fred so at least I'm not totally oblivious. Thanks for your assistance

Fred

@soandos No problem. 14 lines from the bottom of the first column on this page, for the record. :)

HaSofer

Chabad.org Omer Counter: Count 49 Days on Monday Night, May 13, 2013

posted on May 14, 2013

Today is forty-nine days, which is seven weeks of the Omer. Today's attribute: Malchus ShebeMalchus

msh210

4:44 AM

@DoubleAA Not sure which rov you meant but: msh210.tumblr.com/post/50320832888

@jake Incidentally, this dispels the common belief that Yodeyans are unmarriageable. ;-)

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jake

@msh210 Common belief?

msh210

@jake Yeah, I just made it up.

Isaac Moses

@msh210 Yeah; I think you were thinking of redditors, or something. My sense is that more Yodeyans are probably married than not. There may be a correlation between "those who base their lives on Jewish law and tradition" and marriage.

msh210

@jake Incidentally, I don't know why (and I've known a few Jakes), but I keep half-associating you in my head with this guy. (I know you're not him, not least because he's married.)

@IsaacMoses I'm sure there is (re your last point). It was just a joke.

Isaac Moses

@msh210 Fine company indeed to be even fractionally associated with, I say self-interestedly, as a former chavruta of his. (I actually haven't been in contact with him for ~decade.)

jake

4:59 AM

@msh210 Looks like an interesting guy. We've never crossed paths, although I did major in math.

Isaac Moses

@jake You should move to Israel.

jake

@msh210 Actually I recall mentioning that to you before.

@IsaacMoses :)

msh210

@IsaacMoses My only contact with him was one weekend when I took the Putnam Competition. It's given on Shabas, but sabbath observers in the NYC area were given a special exemption to take it motz"sh provided we were guarded from the time the test began until we sat it -- to make sure we didn't go online and get the questions (which were always posted on Usenet -- probably now on the Web -- very fast). So [cont'd]

every frum person taking the exam had to stay Shabas in YU. And be "guarded" (we weren't really). Then we sat the 6-hourtest motz"sh, ending at IIRC 1am.

@jake Mentioning what?

Oh, heh, I missed the whole point.

I stayed in Jake Solomon's dorm room.

jake

@msh210 my major

msh210

(I had heard of him before, and have since, butthat was my only direct contact.)

@jake Maybe that abetted my mind's perfidy in half-associating you with the other guy.

@jake It was mine, too.

jake

5:05 AM

@msh210 Right. I think you told me me you do something with statistics (biological?)

msh210

@jake Did statistical genetics; currently doing stock-market analysis.

@jake Do you want to post a link to that chat message in a comment on meta.judaism.stackexchange.com/a/1645?

jake

@msh210 Cool. Incidentally, how long ago did you take the Putnam?

msh210

@jake About 13 and a half years.

jake

@msh210 Oh, then never mind.

msh210

@jake Why? (You've got me curious now.)

jake

5:08 AM

@msh210 Had a good friend who took it a couple times in NYC, but much more recently.

@msh210 Sure, but can you delete it afterwards?

msh210

@jake You mean in a week or two? Sure, b'li neder.

jake

@msh210 Great. Just posted the link.

msh210

@jake And I've left a note to self to delete it.

jake

@msh210 Thanks

msh210

All right, I should be going. One more thing to cook for y"t before I turn in. Mazal tov, again, @jake. Yirbu s'machos b'Yisrael. Good yom tov, everyone.

jake

5:13 AM

@msh210 Thanks again. Good night.

soandos

6:35 AM

Anyone have experience with trying to copy-paste hebrew into word?

msh210

7:24 AM

Mar 20 at 18:47, by Isaac Moses

@msh210 It looks like in most cases, I can copy/paste mixed text from MY into Word, and the Hebrew comes out OK.

@soandos But, on the other hand,

Mar 20 at 18:44, by Jin

what I ended up doing was, pasting into Notepad/Textedit first, the convert to pure text format, then copy 'n paste again into Word.

soandos

@msh210 How do I do the conversion?

msh210

@soandos I don't know what he meant. Oh, wait, he was referring to fixing style issues, not necessarily Hebrew-specific ones.

soandos

But I would assume its the same, no?

( I have the same issues copying text from a PDF)

msh210

@soandos What issues are you having? You haven't specified, or I missed it.

soandos

8:15 AM

@msh210 When I pasted the text, it showed up in reverse word order

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Q: Word reverses word order when converting tabs to spaces

Here is a simple example: I want this, but with the tabs replaced by spaces: I get this instead: With the words reversed. Note that a similar thing happens if I just change the text direction when it is still with tabs. What the heck is going on? This occurs in every editor I've tried (N...

@msh210 pasting it into notepad fixed

Monica Cellio

2:09 PM

@IsaacMoses well, many Yodeyans are already married, and your observation certainly seems relevant, but I thought what @msh210 was commenting on was Yodeyans getting married, which is more specialized. :-)

Monica Cellio

4:10 PM

Chag sameach everyone! Tonight I'll be at this. (After that ends, TBD.) I hope everybody has good learning opportunities!

HodofHod

4:29 PM

@MonicaCellio Got a sec?

Monica Cellio

@HodofHod sure, what's up?

HodofHod

@MonicaCellio Can you reproduce this? meta.judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/1686/…

Monica Cellio

@HodofHod I see that on my Mac at home in Firefox (20? whatever's current). Here at work (XP, FF 18) I see it IFF "zoom text only" is off. (I'm at a few levels of ctrl-+ on all SE sites to be able to read them; by default that zooms the whola page, but you can tell FF to just change the fonts.)

I'm guessing that at home I don't have "zoom text only" set, which would explain some things and I'll probably fix that now that I've figured it out. But it is what allowed me to see the problem independently...

HodofHod

@MonicaCellio Alright, thanks :)

Monica Cellio

4:44 PM

@HodofHod, I just added a comment. I'll try to remember to further comment when I can check my setup at home.

msh210

@soandos Looks like you typed it backward to start with, and Word put it in the right order only because you added in tabs (which it treats as left-to-right characters I guess, though that's odd). See w3.org/International/articles/inline-bidi-markup

Monica Cellio

@HodofHod oh hey, and I have a vanilla Chrome here that I (intentionally) have never customized (I use it for testing), and I can reproduce with that too. That rules out a Firefox add-on being responsible.

HodofHod

@MonicaCellio Ah. I customize my chrome, but I use incognito for testing.

(It disables all addons unless otherwise specified)

Monica Cellio

@HodofHod thanks for the tip. I use Firefox for my main browsing, so I've never done much with Chrome. Only installed it at work fairly recently, in fact. Anyway, I should remember that both FF and Chrome have incognito modes that are handy for testing.

msh210

@MonicaCellio New MSIE has an incognito mode, too, I think, though I don't know whether it disables plugins by default. (I don't use MSIE when I have a choice.)

HodofHod

4:54 PM

@MonicaCellio Interestingly, Firefox seemed like it still used addons in incognito (or whatever it's called).

@msh210 I don't think anyone does anymore.

Monica Cellio

@HodofHod I'm actually not finding incognito mode in FF at the moment. At home I've seen "open in incognito tab" as a menu option for links, but not seeing that here...

HodofHod

@MonicaCellio By me it's Firefox > New Private Window

Monica Cellio

@msh210 I don't either. But, annoyingly, our IT are so slow to approve new versions that we're still on 7, which is too old to work with some of the technologies we need!

@HodofHod you're on a Mac?

msh210

@MonicaCellio On this Mac (OS X) it's File > New Private Window. Or shift command p.

Monica Cellio

@msh210 here at work I'm on a PC and have no "Firefox" menu, but I know I have that at home on my Mac, hence the question. :-) (Under File I just have New Tab and New Window, no New Private anything.)

msh210

4:57 PM

@MonicaCellio On Windows IIRC it's File > New Private Window or shift ctrl p.

@MonicaCellio Older Firefox has it not under File. I forget where. But ctrl shift p worked then, too, IIRC.

Monica Cellio

@msh210 shift-ctrl-p does something. But it seems to want to switch my entire session, not just give me a new tab? Not ready to be kicked out of chat etc, assuming "private" means no cookies/credentials/etc.

msh210

@MonicaCellio Right. Newer Firefox emulated Chrome in allowing private and non-private windows to be open simultaneously. Time to update. :-)

Monica Cellio

@msh210 you know those IT dinosaurs who have us on IE 7? Yeah... FF 18 is as new as it gets right now. But I'm not going to worry about it; if I need to test something specifically in FF I'll go there, but for all else I have Chrome.

HodofHod

@MonicaCellio No, 'fraid not.

msh210

@HodofHod Linux?

HodofHod

5:01 PM

@msh210 Sometimes. Not currently. Plain old Windows 7

Monica Cellio

@HodofHod oh -- when you said the Firefox menu I thought you were. (I'm currently on a PC too.)

msh210

@MonicaCellio Ditto. I didn't realize / forgot Windows has a "Firefox" menu.

Monica Cellio

@HodofHod oh, did Windows 7 add an "application name" menu, like on the Mac? (Still on XP here.)

HodofHod

Monica Cellio

@HodofHod blocked (will look at home)

HodofHod

5:04 PM

@MonicaCellio Ah. Then the answer is no. It's newer versions of FF that have the FF menu.

Monica Cellio

Love corporate IT...

@HodofHod ah, ok. Thanks!

msh210

@HodofHod Curious. I have newest (non-beta) FF on Windows (I think Windows 7) at home and don't have that menu. Maybe I chose "old look" or something and don't remember having done so.

It sounds like something I'd do.

Monica Cellio

@msh210 that's something I suspect I would do too. I still use the Win2K theme for my task bar -- hate the XP "re-arraange everything and oh the colors!" change, and I suspect it'll be mandatory on 7 (or, at least, "classic" will mean XP).

msh210

@MonicaCellio Oh, I use the Windows 3.1 theme.

(No, just kidding.)

Monica Cellio

@msh210 Norton Desktop? :-) (That's what I used on 3.1.)

Oh man... I just found out that the wife of one of our minyan regulars died last night. Baruch dayan emet. Funeral is happening right now, and I guess he's not going to get a shiva? Oof.

msh210

5:19 PM

@MonicaCellio No, I don't think he will.

:-(

@MonicaCellio Actually, I never had 3.1. I went from DOS (with some sort of OS-like thing over it, but no mouse or joystick) to Win95. (I've used 3.1 but never at home.)

Monica Cellio

@msh210 3.1 was my first Windows machine. (And first personal machine; prior to that I used Unix and VMS for work, and even a little Mac.)

HodofHod

@MonicaCellio No, you can get most of the Win2K look on 7. Taskbar still uses icons instead of text names.

Monica Cellio

@HodofHod oh good. Thanks.

HodofHod

@MonicaCellio ...but even that is probably changeable. Windows still surprises me with customizability every once in a while.

Charles Koppelman

5:35 PM

@BruceJames what question are you actually trying to ask here? judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/28773/…

msh210

I'm going to take the admittedly unpopular but unfortunately true position that cheesecake is not delicious. — Double AA 13 hours ago

^ Can a heretic be a mod on Mi Yodeya? (Ping @DoubleAA)

Seth J

@msh210 I support this stance. Remind me at Purim time to come up with a "source". (I have none in mind at the moment, but I can try to come up with one then, given the right motivation.)

msh210

@SethJ ptij (to aid later chat searching)

Monica Cellio

@msh210 @DoubleAA is perhaps just trying the wrong kind of cheesecake. It doesn't all have to be the ultra-sweet stuff; I make a very nice cheesecake that's ricotta-based.

msh210

@MonicaCellio A tinok shenishba perhaps.

Daniel

6:02 PM

@HodofHod Actually, IE9 and IE10 have been seen as pretty major upgrades from previous versions and people are using them. IE has always had by far the biggest market share.

HodofHod

@Daniel ...by people who don't know they have a choice. (Or don't care enough to make one)

My comment was specifically that I don't think anyone (for some value of anyone) makes the choice to use IE

Double AA

@MonicaCellio @msh210 Actually, three years ago I had a meal on Shavuot at the home of a couple in which the wife was in culinary school and had spent the preceding week baking 5-6 different kinds of cheesecake, all of which were served. I think my assessment is an educated one.

Daniel

@HodofHod Yes, and I'm saying that with IE9 and especially IE10, some people are (I'm not, though. I use Firefox and Chrome)

HodofHod

@Daniel eh. Believe when I see it.... :)

Daniel

@DoubleAA I agree with you. Cheesecake is terrible. And I'm originally from Wisconsin!

HodofHod

6:07 PM

WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?? /turns to the 30 kinds of cheesecake in the kitchen: "There, there, they didn't means it, preciouses....."

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msh210

48 mins ago, by msh210

@MonicaCellio Actually, I never had 3.1. I went from DOS (with some sort of OS-like thing over it, but no mouse or joystick) to Win95. (I've used 3.1 but never at home.)

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Q: Identify the UI

The first computer I used at home — this was in the late 1980s, I guess — was an IBM PC AT running DOS. But when I turned on the computer, a screen came up with a menu of applications. It looked something like this: List 1 | Games | Another list ---------------+-----------...

user-interface

Daniel

@HodofHod Sorry, I don't mean to offend you or your cheesecake :(

Monica Cellio

@DoubleAA ah, ok. I was just thinking that if the only cheesecake I'd ever had was that one type, I might have a low opinion of it too. But if you've surveyed the field...

msh210

Actually, I did have a joystick. But didn't use it for that UI.

HodofHod

@Daniel ;)

Don't worry; they won't be offended.... for long.....

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Double AA

6:12 PM

@HodofHod ya they'll be digested

Daniel

7:22 PM

Judging by the responses to meta.judaism.stackexchange.com/q/1635/1713 it looks like it will be hard to put anything together besides maybe the East Coast

Monica Cellio

@Daniel so far, yeah. But there are a lot of Yodeyans who haven't voted yet, and we need to reach them. Of course, if they're shy or otherwise not interested, that won't make a difference, but I'll bet there are people who just haven't noticed the question yet.)

MoriDoweedhYaAgob

9:14 PM

@Daniel אף על פי שאכילה ושתייה במועדות בכלל מצות עשה, לא יהיה אוכל ושותה כל היום כולו--אלא כך היא הדת: בבוקר משכימין כל העם לבתי כנסייות ולבתי מדרשות, ומתפללין וקוראין בתורה בעניין היום; וחוזרין לבתיהם, ואוכלין. והולכין לבתי מדרשות, קורין ושונין עד חצי היום; ואחר חצי היום, מתפללין תפילת המנחה, וחוזרין לבתיהן לאכול ולשתות, שאר היום עם הלילה

Daniel

@MoriDoweedhYaAgob So you're saying that learning all night on shavuot is a bad thing?

MoriDoweedhYaAgob

you know why it was started?

Daniel

@MoriDoweedhYaAgob I'm sure you'll tell me

MoriDoweedhYaAgob

@Daniel jewish-studies.info/Tikkun-Leil-Sha.htm

Daniel

@MoriDoweedhYaAgob judaism.stackexchange.com/a/1385/1713

nobody says that tikkun leil shavuot is halacha

Are you saying that it is counter to halacha to do it?

MoriDoweedhYaAgob

9:20 PM

@Daniel what does his post have anything to do with anything? that is his opinion and he brings no sources

@Daniel also im saying it definitely contradicts holocho with you are not sleeping all night and are tired by the morning. you will not pray properly. just like if you drank alcohol you are not allowed to pray

@Daniel davening is more important than a custom of learning at night

@Daniel learning is done in the afternoon between shahHarith and minhHo

Daniel

@MoriDoweedhYaAgob That is certainly true, and if one will be too tired to daven properly, he should sleep first

MoriDoweedhYaAgob

@Daniel best prayer is sunrise

@Daniel whole purpose is to daven earliest

@Daniel also the custom is based on nonsense

Daniel

@MoriDoweedhYaAgob If you think kabbalah is nonsense...

MoriDoweedhYaAgob

@Daniel it is not for the klal

it was for certain people prescribed to the group of karo and elkabetz

it even lost its meaning...

In other words: The original intention of Karo and Elkabetz in Tikkun Leil Shavuot was to reconstruct the revelation on Mount Sinai - Exodus chapter 19. But the Shechina, the celestial mentor, directed the group to Joshua Chapter 1, the conquest of the land of Israel.

It's the integration of the expected and the unexpected that create the drama of this Tikkun and lead us to its full meaning: the combination of the symbolic correction of the Torah and the historical redemption of the people of Israel that go up to the land of Israel "To redeem and be redeemed" – to redeem the Shechina from …

mamash shtuth

Daniel

@MoriDoweedhYaAgob So you should go to bed tonight. I hope you sleep very well

MoriDoweedhYaAgob

9:29 PM

@Daniel you bet i will

shtuth upon shtuth everywhere you look

Double AA

9:46 PM

@MoriDoweedhYaAgob I'm not aware of anyone who says the everyone should stay up all night.

If you can't daven and learn in the morning after an all nighter, then don't do it. Maybe other people can.

@MoriDoweedhYaAgob That's a minhag too. Who said Torah had to be in the morning and not the afternoon?

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MoriDoweedhYaAgob

@DoubleAA staying up all night is what people want to do and is accepted as the "minhag" one should aim for. the questino is not about davening in the morning and learning after. it is about learning all night and not davening at shahHar because they are too tired to pay attention and concentrate in davening. holocho is you can't daven in this state just like when you drink alcohol.

and look at the RaMbaM he clearly says you should learn after the morning meal in the afternoon until minhHo jodhol then make another meal

@DoubleAA then you can bench daven maariv at night and learn a bissle as well

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