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2:11 PM
@nuttyaboutnatty × hmph.
 
2:36 PM
where / how can I find the documentation for multicolumn ?
is there a LaTeX equivalent of man ...
like in Linux?
 
@nuttyaboutnatty which tex distro you use ?
 
(on CTAN I found sth, but I'm not sure it was what I was looking for)
texlive
(sth like it, the standard thing)
 
@nuttyaboutnatty texdoc but that's part of the core latex format so texdoc source2e which is a bit big, or any latex tutorial eg texdoc lshort
 
!!/texdef -t latex multicolumn
 
@nuttyaboutnatty Yes, texdoc
 
2:39 PM
Psmith, the TeX bot, in fixed font mode: Here's the output from texdef:

\multicolumn:
\long macro:#1#2#3->\multispan {#1}\begingroup \@mkpream {#2}\def \@sharp {#3}\set@typeset@protect \let \@startpbox \@@startpbox \let \@endpbox \@@endpbox \@arstrut \@preamble \hbox {}\endgroup \ignorespaces
 
@PauloCereda ^^^ see what could be simpler
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
@nuttyaboutnatty texdef perl script takes back to plain TeX. see gui texdoctk
 
@DavidCarlisle: there's a cygwin question for you. :)
 
2:59 PM
@PauloCereda the context one? I suspect the // observation is correct....
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
@DavidCarlisle I'm pretty sure the '//' gets at what's wrong. But I have no idea why texmfcnf.lua would generate those paths.
So The main texmf.cnf file defines a variable TEXMFNCF using shell expansion.
Back in the days of TL2010 the definition was TEXMFCNF = {$SELFAUTOLOC,$SELFAUTODIR,$SELFAUTOPARENT}{,{/share,}/texmf{-local,}/web2c}
That looks like the kind of thing that might have subtle, rarely seen, issues in a Cygwin install.
(texmfcnf.lua doesn't usually seem to have anything much in it, except for a pointer to a per-user file, so I guess it's unlikely to be at fault)
 
3:18 PM
!!/song
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Paulo is listening to The dogs of war, from Pink Floyd.
 
kan
3:28 PM
haven't answered a question yet... :)
 
3:39 PM
@CharlesStewart I have cygwin tl2012 but I couldn't tell from the question what command you are supposed to run to show the effect
@CharlesStewart hmm I tried typing context help I wonder if that was wise... that terminal has gone very quiet...
resolvers       | resolving |
resolvers       | resolving | locating list of 'home:.texlive2012/texmf-config' (runtime) (tree:///home:.texlive2012/texmf-config)
resolvers       | methods | resolver: method=locators, how=uri, scheme=tree, argument=tree:///home:.texlive2012/texmf-config
resolvers       | trees | locator 'home:.texlive2012/texmf-config' not found
resolvers       | resolving | locating list of 'home:texmf' (runtime) (tree:///home:texmf)
resolvers       | methods | resolver: method=locators, how=uri, scheme=tree, argument=tree:///home:texmf
@CharlesStewart oh no it just took a long time but then it worked (except I had a latex file help.tex in my directory but I got
mkiv lua stats  > used config file          - selfautoparent:/texmfcnf.lua;selfautoparent:/texmf/web2c/texmfcnf.lua
mkiv lua stats  > used cache path           - readable: '/usr/local/texlive/2012/texmf-var/luatex-cache/context/210a96fef5fbab446fd11afa77acb026' (order 1)
mkiv lua stats  > used cache path           - writable: '/usr/local/texlive/2012/texmf-var/luatex-cache/context/210a96fef5fbab446fd11afa77acb026'
mkiv lua stats  > resource resolver         - loadtime 0.148 seconds, 0 scans with scantime 0.000 seconds, 0 shared scans, 6 found files, scanned paths:
so /texmf/web2c/texmfcnf.lua was found...
 
4:21 PM
I can't upload pdfs to demonstrate the result of code? Did the behaviour change?
 
@MarcoDaniel I always use png, the one time I tried pdf it was unreasonably small
 
@DavidCarlisle Are you working with convert?
 
!!/questions do you know your name is misspelled in tex.stackexchange.com/users/5239/marco-daniel ?
 
@Karl'sstudents Psmith, the TeX bot: I'm deeply sorry, old chap, but the command questions does not exist.
 
@MarcoDaniel No I just usually take a screendump of the pdf viewer and then crop by hand on a bitmap editor and save as png (but uploading pdf is supposed to work I think)
 
4:25 PM
9
Q: Is imgur PDF upload broken?

Andrew StaceyI just tried to upload a PDF via imgur and was told that I couldn't as it wasn't a jpeg, png (or some other image types that I've immediately forgotten). This certainly used to work, has it stopped? If so, can we get it reinstated?

 
@DavidCarlisle Real effort ;-)
@Karl'sstudents Where?
 
@Karl'sstudents Thanks. Fixed
 
@Karl'sstudents Perhaps @PauloCered is a different Paulo (One that uses emacs)
 
@DavidCarlisle :-) Maybe
 
4:30 PM
@MarcoDaniel and @DavidCarlisle: OK thank you... :D
 
@Karl'sstudents: I saw your bounty. I really interested in a solution to request 4.
 
I am interested in the hardest yet nonsense one, i.e., the third one.
 
@DavidCarlisle oooh!
 
@Karl'sstudents This can't work. If you have a floating object it can be printed two pages later and so outside the frame.
 
@MarcoDaniel No problem as long as the frame border is still visible in both pages.
 
4:37 PM
@DavidCarlisle: ^^
 
@Karl'sstudents isn't that just the same as putting the float after the mdframed on the main page and then having another mdframed inside the frame?
 
@DavidCarlisle Indeed.
 
"Missing control sequence inserted"
what does that even mean
you cant insert something that doesnt exist, can you?
Basically I am asking what I should be looking for...
 
@CBenni You probably opened some group and didn't close, maybe?
 
you mean \begin{bla} and no end?
 
4:40 PM
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@CBenni Sorta. Can you paste some lines of the error?
 
@DavidCarlisle LOL ;-)
 
@DavidCarlisle OMG <3
 
It is reported in line 0 >_<
iow, anywhere above \begin{document}
 
@CBenni If you go \def then there has to be a command name following that gets defined, so if you go \def hello without a command name (control sequence) TeX adds one.
@PauloCereda Note I had to ssh to another machine first.
 
4:42 PM
is something wrong with \newcommand{\C}{\ensuremath{\mathbb{C}}}?
 
@DavidCarlisle I did! :)
 
if yes, what do I have to do?
 
@CBenni You would get the error you said if you had \newcommand{C}{\ensuremath{\mathbb{C}}}? without a \ in the first argument
 
so apparently it was me trying to start a block that doesnt exist
\begin{def}
(environment def didnt exist)
usually I had the error "environment not found" (or sth similar) tho, wtf?
 
5:01 PM
@DavidCarlisle I have no idea. :-)
tcolorbox seems very sophisticated.
tcolorbox can behave like showexpl....
 
5:40 PM
How to know whether or not I am using e-tex when compiling with latex-dvips-ps2pdf or pdflatex?
 
5:54 PM
does anyone of you knows algebra a bit ?
 
@DominicMichaelis yes i know algebra.
 
@Karl'sstudents See the ifetex package.
 
When typesetting a field of quotiens is it Z/pZ or is it Z\mathop{/}pZ ?
 
@Werner OK. Thanks. I am reading it...
@DominicMichaelis egreg is offline now. he works in algebra.
 
sorry for abusing the chat again: could anyone tell me how to center my 2-line caption? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/108370/…
(preferably without the caption-pkg)
solved. (thanks Heiko !)
 
6:18 PM
If you decide to go with caption, add justification=centering as package option and it will center the text.
 
I have a very basic tex question...is this the right place to ask, or should I create a question?
 
@Y.P. You can try here. :) Of course, a question in the main site would be great.
 
I think it's too basic for a site question, but unusual enough not to be answered there... here goes: I have two tex files, let's call them

main.tex and supplement.tex
 
@Karl'sstudents and a lot of other things ;-)
 
@MarcoDaniel It supersedes showexpl?
 
6:25 PM
main.tex needs to fetch come labels from supplement.tex, but the text of supplement.tex should not be compiled in main. Is there any way to do that?
 
@Karl'sstudents I don't think so. showexpl allows some modifikation like pos. tcolorbox is nice and it's build on the top of tikz.
here an example of tcolorbox: tex.stackexchange.com/a/108397/5239
 
huh, is the ams package outdated?
 
@CBenni Why?
 
or like, completely obsolete?
I updated latex, and it says the amsmath package is missing
 
@Y.P. I guess xr might help.
 
6:30 PM
@CBenni This is a bug
 
@CBenni Are you using MikTeX?
 
yes
what do I do?
 
22
Q: A MiKTeX update removed amsmath as obsolete – can I use another package or get it back?

JablonI have a problem with amsmath package. After an update this package was removed because it was obsolete. But what package can use instead of amsmath?

 
aah kk ty
 
@PauloCereda perfect! Thank you so much!
 
6:31 PM
@DavidCarlisle Thanks. Those paths look sane, by comparison to those in the qn. Aditya's suggestion, to try Context minimals, is maybe a better option, since I have the impression a lot more of the Context folk on Windows use Minimals than TL, so the installation might be both better tested and get better support if things go wrong.
 
@Y.P. My pleasure. :) In your suplement file, use \externaldocument{mainstuff} and I believe things will work like expected. :)
!!/eightball is it a bug?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: outlook not so good.
 
@MarcoDaniel Confirmed
 
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that is nothing to be proud of
 
@percusse but I didn't shoot no \sffamily.
 
6:36 PM
sans-serif fonts look bad
except for special applications
 
@CBenni \def\joke{\sloppypar}
just a joke you know :)
 
@percusse \cs_new_protected:Npn \joke:nTF #1 #2 #3
 
@PauloCereda How come you know L3 already and I don't know a flying f.....eather about it? That's not fair finish your arara and dandelion on your plate.
 
!!/eightball Did @percusse shoot the serif?
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: The great 8-ball says: it is decidedly so.
@percusse shhh don't mention dandelion, @David has at least 10 bugs for every commit I do. :)
 
6:41 PM
@topskip OMG SIR THIS IS TRULY EPIC
 
@PauloCereda Whoa you can still copy paste text in the animation!
I think it's time to get back on HTML :)
 
Star Wars 7, powered by Disney. :)
 
@PauloCereda Are you watching One Piece?
 
@MarcoDaniel Hm what's One Piece?
 
@PauloCereda Here one of the German soundtracks: youtube.com/…
Or this epic one: youtube.com/…
 
6:48 PM
@PauloCereda Not \prg_new_conditional:Npnn \joke:n #1 { p,T,F,TF } { ... }? ;)
 
@cgnieder Hey that's not fair! :) @percusse: sir, Clemens posted a better joke code. :)
 
@PauloCereda Nah, your's protected (some dangerous internals...) so it must be better :)
 
@cgnieder Paulo's code is more a joke ;-) -- sorry Paulo
 
@MarcoDaniel /sob
!!/fortune
@PauloCereda Psmith, the TeX bot: Here is your fortune: Do not mistake temptation for opportunity.
 
@PauloCereda well I have loads more, I just don't like to overload you with too many at one time.
 
6:56 PM
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
@MarcoDaniel Aah, that's mean ;)
 
@David: Is M into Minecraft?
 
@PauloCereda no seen it but I think it's aimed for a bit older
 
@DavidCarlisle Ah indeed. :) I asked because I'm playing it right now and reminds me somewhow of LEGO. :)
 
7:18 PM
When does egreg normally come ?
 
@DominicMichaelis Wrong question. Why is egreg missing?
 
@MarcoDaniel Exactly. :)
 
7:32 PM
ok why is egreg missing
 
@DominicMichaelis I suspect he's giving a lecture. :)
 
oh I thought he is from France, it's pretty late for lectures
 
biblatex question: if I use biblatex with the indexing option how can I specify how an author like, say, \LaTeX3 Project Team is sorted in the index? There doesn't seem to be an indexing equivalent like indexsorttitle for the title field.
 
8:04 PM
@DominicMichaelis Italy
 
gee you can be so lucky that you have no complicated capitalisation in english
 
@DominicMichaelis we have TeX LaTeX MathML, it's not all easy you know.
 
well i am thinking about wheter it is "Linksinverse" or "links-Inverse" or or or ...
 
@DominicMichaelis Wenn schon, dann bitte "Links-Inverse" ;-)
 
I guess i make the compromiss "LINKSINVERSE" :D
 
8:15 PM
very good compromiss, LOL. No one will oversee it ...
 
8:32 PM
Right, that's three packages uploaded to CTAN today (two new, one update). Time to do some maths, I think.
2
 
@AndrewStacey I thought you took a sabbatical for TeX studies.
 
@AndrewStacey yes I can confirm your maths is correct: two plus one is three.
 
@DavidCarlisle You get a special mention in the third package ...
 
@DavidCarlisle You cannot use plus in the variable name
 
@AndrewStacey oops do I need t look:-)
 
9:03 PM
@DavidCarlisle You are also mentioned in the arara manual. :) You got even an epigraph. :)
 
@PauloCereda I read that first that you'd given me an epitaph, I had to check I wasn't dead..
 
@DavidCarlisle Hey!
 
can anyone give me a hint how to get \theMyCounter expanded in \@writefile before actually being written? Do I need to \expandafter all the way to the \theMyCounter?
 
9:18 PM
@Luke you don't normally use \@writefile directly but \protected@write (which will expand everything for you) although \theMyCounter should be expandable and so expand during the write anyway.
@Luke or perhaps \addtocontents what are you trying to do?
 
@DavidCarlisle Hi David. Checking the documentation for addtocontents now, thanks
 
does anyone of you know dragonball ?
 
9:33 PM
@DominicMichaelis Dinner with (LaTeX) friends
 
@egreg ah great I got a question, when I write the field of quotients, do i write $\mathbb{Z}/p\mathbb{Z}$, or do I write $\mathbb{Z}\mathop{/} p \mathbb{Z}$ ?
 
@DominicMichaelis or GF_p :-)
 
@DominicMichaelis Simply /
@DavidCarlisle \mathit{GF}_{p} ;-)
 
@egreg actually I tended to use \mathbb{F}_p
 
@DavidCarlisle I'm disconcerted: you recommended to read an answer of mine! tex.stackexchange.com/questions/108417/…
 
9:40 PM
I am writing an algebra script :D
 
@egreg I didn't say I'd read it though
 
Do you write a script normally in scrbook or in scrartcl ?
 
@DominicMichaelis Usually article.
 
no koma class ?
 
kan
I like amsart for almost everything.
 
9:54 PM
@DominicMichaelis Rarely.
 
@egreg Welcome back! :)
 
@PauloCereda Almost bed time. I'm pretty tired.
 
@egreg Oh.
 
@egreg I always thought that article is kind of obsolete through the coma klasses, what are pros for the standard classes ?
 
@egreg Had some $\pi\mathbb{Z}\Zeta\alpha$? :)
 
9:58 PM
@PauloCereda No: a Bavarian dinner wurst based. :)
 
@egreg ooh! :)
 
And beer, of course.
 
@egreg I wonder what I'll be offered to eat when I visit Italy. :)
 
@PauloCereda There's a vast choice.
 
@egreg :)
 
10:08 PM
@PauloCereda MacPizza
 
@DavidCarlisle Nah. :)
@DavidCarlisle: can I have MacPizza in England too?
 
@PauloCereda I have no idea
 
@DavidCarlisle A real pizza, not the pale imitation you find abroad.
 
@egreg David is mean. :)
 
@egreg don't you like cardboard?
 
10:16 PM
@PauloCereda You don't know pizza until you've eaten one in Naples.
 
@egreg ooh! :) Are they good?
 
@egreg I've had pizza in Italy but never been that far south
 
@DavidCarlisle You can find good pizza everywhere in Italy. But in some places in Naples it's really unique.
 
@DavidCarlisle You could present a keynote in the Italian TUG meeting. :)
25 anni di longtable
 
@PauloCereda If the keynote is about the bugs found so far, we'd better fix a very wide schedule. :P
 
10:21 PM
@PauloCereda I think you have the first two words in the wrong order
 
@egreg Indeed! :) but I can't talk about bugs with David anymore! :) Tables have turned, now David reports at least 15 bugs/day to me. :)
@DavidCarlisle oh! :)
 
kan
@PauloCereda No worries. You're having an expert tell you the mistakes! You'll get a good grip of things at the end. :)
 
@kan True. :) Soon we will lure @egreg to test it too as well. :)
 
@kan (a) @PauloCereda isn't exactly telling the truth and (b) it's lua code about which I know next to nothing:-)
 
kan
@PauloCereda Hah!! :)
 
10:26 PM
I choose (a) as the true answer the other one seems questionable
 
kan
@DavidCarlisle Is he telling a version of the truth or doing a version of telling the truth? :)
@percusse That also.
 
@kan he's producing a work of fiction
 
@DavidCarlisle Speaking of which, did you run dandelion --version? :)
 
do physicists really do $\int dx f(x)$ not seen that before
 
@DavidCarlisle Unfortunately some do.
It's like a Canon-Nikon nonsense. They use left hand right hand threads in the screws such that no adapter can be used etc.
 
10:32 PM
@percusse and Dutch people driving on the wrong side of the road?
 
@DavidCarlisle After seeing this I'd better go to bed. Good night.
 
@egreg good night
 
@DavidCarlisle Nope all SI-compatible behavior.
Except the coffee shops and language :-)
Ah for you yes it's the wrong side of the road
 
@percusse :)
 
@egreg Good night! :)
@percusse Hey we drive in the right side.
Which is right.
 
kan
10:35 PM
We are on the left.
 
And I'm left-handed.
Which has nothing to do with the subject.
:)
But it was fun.
 
@percusse nice comment (I doubt it will work though:-)
 
kan
I like left-handed people!
Have I said that?
@egreg Good night!
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A: Text aligning like numbers aligning

kanHere's my first try, I am not great with tables, but I would like to try: \documentclass{amsart} \begin{document} \begin{tabular}{p{3cm}l} Some\_Text & \parbox{0.9\textwidth}{ \begin{enumerate} \item Other text \item Other text \end{enumerate}} \end{tabular} More text. \end{document}

Is that suggestion good from the TeXnical point of view... :)
 
@kan possibly. It was pretty hard to guess what was required from the question I think I'll give you a vote for trying:-)
 
kan
@DavidCarlisle Oh thanks. I really want to get better at this stuff.
 
10:47 PM
@kan although you should remove the \parbox{0.9\textwidth} you are already in a parbox{3cm}
 
kan
@DavidCarlisle Hah, I was playing around with that for the space, I think... I'll do the change...
\begin{tabular}{ll}
Some\_Text  &
\parbox{0.9\textwidth}{
\begin{enumerate}
  \item Other text
  \item Other text
\end{enumerate}}
\end{tabular}
 
@DavidCarlisle I've tried. The scientific revolution has to wait yet another day.
 
@kan no that's the wrong way keep the p (but more than 3cm) and lose the parbox
\begin{tabular}{lp{5cm}}% or whatever size works
Some\_Text &
\begin{enumerate}
\item Other text
\item Other text
\end{enumerate}
\end{tabular}
 
kan
@DavidCarlisle Thank you... :)
But, why does this push the enumerate one line down?
@DavidCarlisle ^^
\documentclass{amsart}
\begin{document}
\begin{tabular}{lp{0.9\linewidth}}
Some\_Text  &
\begin{enumerate}
  \item Other text
  \item Other text
\end{enumerate}
\end{tabular}
More text.
\end{document}
That is exactly 1em of a space... should I get rid of that space manually using a negative vspace?
I posted that code... any way.
 
11:10 PM
@kan that's the easiest (the reason why it's there is a long story:-) I think there is a qn on site somewhere about that. Basically p adds a strut but it doesn't get insode the list so makes a blank line above it which is unfortunate but we can't change it now as there are millions of documents with negative space to compensate
 
kan
@DavidCarlisle Oh, so, should I patch instead of this dirty hack?
 
@kan no vspace{-...} is as good as anything. I'll see if I can see the question/answe
 
kan
@DavidCarlisle This one
@DavidCarlisle And, thanks for the help;
 
@kan can't find it but you could use Marco's answer here which avoids it another way tex.stackexchange.com/questions/32425/…
 
kan
@DavidCarlisle Oh, I misunderstood that one...
the last bit.
 
11:17 PM
@kan ?
 
kan
@DavidCarlisle I thought you were asking for the link to the answer I wrote to verify it looks ok now...
@David I am not sure I understand how he evades... is there some magic in \itemjoin?
So, there is magic in the option inline
 
If I want to quickly manually typeset a citation where the second line is going to be indented, how would I do that?
 
kan
@David Where is the option enumerate* defined?
 
11:37 PM
@kan I assume it's an enumitem package thing
 
kan
@DavidCarlisle I don't think so... this must be in amsmath, I believe...
I am just unable to figure it out ...
 
@kan (no it's not amsmath) I haven't looked at the code but from the name of the environment inline list I assume it's not a list at all and just the same as doing aaa\\bbb\\ccc in the parbox, but with numbering. enumerate* is from enumitem package
 
kan
@DavidCarlisle Yeah, I can confirm it is not amsmath now, just used texdef. And, that guess sounds reasonable too.
I see!
I had no idea before!
I have never had to use it!
!!/texdef -t latex -p enumitem enumerate*
Isn't this the right way to get it?
It's defined only with inline options
texdef -t latex -p [inline]enumitem enumerate*
 
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