... it seems that it may take some uncomfortable stretching to try to fill all the Seder elements. Yachatz, for example, seems hard. This one?
From the link collection, I see three questions that I think should really make it in. I may come back and do some of this work later, but I can't right now, so feel free to grab it if you get there first.
Mishneh is for sure the parallel for Meshulash (and vice versa). Mishneh means double (as in Mishneh Torah); Meshulash means triple. I cannot find an entry for Mishlesh or any mention of it as an alternate translation for 'triple' in any English-Hebrew dictionaries. — Seth JFeb 6 '12 at 1:37
@IsaacMoses I haven't been paying attention to what they've been. If they're all "said" then yes, I do think so. But "asked" and "answered" are high-quality enough in most cases IMO. What do you think? And y'all?
@IsaacMoses that's a nice touch. I wish I'd thought of it earlier. If somebody wants to go through and spice up some of the "X said"s I wouldn't object. I initially gravitated to "said" because this struck me most closely as like some of the g'mara's discussions and that always seems to be amar. But variety is good too.
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@MonicaCellio, was the March 18 due date meant to mean beginning of March 18 or end? In other words, shall we freeze submissions now? (At 28, I think that would be fine.) What's the next step, and who's supposed to take it? (Contacting Jin?)
@IsaacMoses @MonicaCellio, I've got one more question to ask/recommend, but I don't want to over-burden you guys (I've been totally delinquent, and I again offer my apologies). Maybe I'll propose it for next year's edition. :)
The problem some have with "Jewess" isn't "Jew" but "ess". If "Jew" means a Jew of either sex then "Jewess" seems contrived since there is no "Jew-male" word. This is only a factor in English IMO, not Hebrew where everything has gender. When talking specifically about a woman in English, I'm used to seeing "Jewish woman" (and, analagously, "Jewish man" if talking about man-specific issues). — Monica CellioDec 3 '12 at 18:50
@msh210 I'm lost on the question, but I'm also overtired and (slightly) over-caffeinated at the moment, so I may just be having difficulty concentrating on reading a difficult question in non-ideal conditions.
@msh210 Different goals. If I'm right, I think it's a weak question. Given that the actual question isn't made explicit, and the apparent weakness of the actual question, I'd say go ahead an close until he at least makes it more explicit. In so doing, he might will make it stronger than I'm assuming it is.
@msh210 Fixed. Any idea why that happened?
@msh210, you messed up some of the ellipses in the Hebrew. I don't know how you got the quotation marks to behave nicely, but hopefully, you can do the same for the dots.
@IsaacMoses It seems SE will create a /memorableword URL that redirects to a Meta post that describes and links to the downloadable PDF. Everything else that I know you know (though it may be that others, especially our EICDF, know more than I).
@msh210 FWIW, I recommend /Passover2013 (No spelling ambiguity, opens the door for future projects) or /Passover . Either way, it'd be nice to have before content is sealed, since it would be good to have in the Intro or perhaps in the back a request for feedback on the project, and the landing page would be a good place to direct that to. ...
... Either it or another meta post it would link to could collect feedback, at least from people who have 5 rep on MY. (For those who don't perhaps an email address could be set up?)
@IsaacMoses We'd mentioned /haggadah (which, as you note, has spelling ambuigity), but Jin suggested something more generic (like /special IIRC) with the Meta post always about the current or most recent project. (I think the idea was that that way there'd be no need to have numerous redirection URLs.)
@IsaacMoses I agree though that having the URL in place before content is sealed would be helpful. But I think that should mean "sealed to Jin or whoever generates the PDF", not "sealed to us". He can always add it to the bottom of the title page (which is I think a good spot for it).
@msh210 But then, if someone finds this paper artifact in the future, when we've moved on to some new project, and visits /special, they'll see the new project and get confused. It's not like setting up redirects is so costly. Changing the single redirect to point to a new meta post for each project probably takes nearly as much time.
@IsaacMoses I think the idea was that the single redirect would point to the same Meta post each time, and the Meta post would be totally redone for each new project. But your point about someone's finding the paper later is a good one: let me ping @jin .
@msh210 I guess the landing page could be something like "The current special project is this. Here's a list of links to past special projects. But it just seems messy to me. I see how that would decouple this sort of effort from requiring dev attention.
@msh210 I think it'd be nice to say something about how this is new and we invite feedback in the intro.
:8566183 ... I'd add it in now, but I'd like to get word on how we'll be inviting feedback first. It's a little atypical to publish something publicly and have a feedback mechanism that's only open to people who have jumped through a certain (albeit relatively low) hoop of affiliation.
@IsaacMoses Yes, and it'd be nice to have the short URL for that, but it's not strictly necessary. We can invite feedback at the URL listed in the front without mentioning it. (Ugly, I know.)
@IsaacMoses Anyone can create a GMail/Hotmail/YourFavoriteFreeEMailAccountProvider account and add the URL to the meta.judaism.stackexchange.com/a/1550. (But if most people try it, I'll revert the edit. :-))
@msh210 I'd request that you consider re-posting anything that you consider useful (and not said yet) that you get in the email, stripped of identifying information, as answers to the feedback meta post
@IsaacMoses @msh210 all: I think (pending confirmation from Jin) that we'll hand over the material, he'll import it into a nice document, he'll probably have questions for us along the way, and he'll probably want us to look at a draft somewhere along the line. But after today we're done with content-generation with one exception (below), and we should set up the landing page sometime in the next week. I'll ask Jin about including the "nice" URL for that (that's why I asked in advnace about it).
@MonicaCellio @msh210 I still think it's a bit cumbersome, but I understand the benefits of making content projects independent of devs. (See also: setting up a gmail account for feedback instead of asking for a dedicated @yodeya.com account)
@MonicaCellio So (excuse me if we've been through this already, which I think we have), the "Contributors" links from the bottom of each submission won't be printed with that submission, but will instead be gathered into a list of all unique contributors, which will go in the credits? (fine with me, if so)
@IsaacMoses this is what I thought we decided one day in chat to do. That is, we were staging them in the individual contributions, but with the idea of gathering them up into one list (since people's names are already with the content).
@msh210 I haven't seen any name overlaps go by, aside from Fred's two accounts.
@msh210 Just get the accounts merged. (Anyway, SEI, in directing Jin to produce it for us, has taken responsibility for this project, so the danger of getting in trouble for violating SEI's license is low. MY users, AIUI, have no legal ownership of the material once they post it; SEI does. That SEI requires a link to the user profile is morally nice but legally SEI's choice, I think. That said, IANAL.)
@IsaacMoses (re merged) Oh, thanks! How? (re trouble) The danger is in violating not SE's license but the original contributor's copyright. I think you're wrong that SE contributors no longer own their work. (Which is why some MSO answer to a complaint about another site that was mirroring SE without attribution said "not much we can do: each contributor should go complain" ro words to that efect.)
(re merged again) Oh, oops. I read "Just get" as "Just got".
@IsaacMoses To your first question, yes, I believe so, except that it's explicit (in the fine print right at the bottom of each page) not implicit. (That's how Wikipedia and her sister sites work, too.)
@IsaacMoses To your second question, I don't know.
@msh210 Anyway, if you don't have the power/information to do the merge yourself, perhaps the relevant SE staff would be willing to take an expedited look at the case and do what it takes to get it done, to smooth out this wrinkle in our (MY/SE's) publication.
Anyone remember a chatty comment thread on a question that got to my asking "hey, if people historically woke up in the middle of the night and had "two sleeps", doesn't that just blow wide open how we can interpret Makkath Bechoroth?" or something along those lines? I believe the question topic was only tangentially related to that topic, though.
@msh210? I seem to recall you engaging in my wild speculation.
@Jin Hi! I was just getting ready to ping you here. :-) I guess an "archive" section would work; I had just been thinking of a reverse-chronological list, at least until it gets long. It'll take a while before we have enough publications/downloads to make "visual scan of the list" unworkable, I suspect.
Anyway, @Jin, we're accumulating a table of contents with links to all the individual meta posts with the content, in order. I was hoping to turn that over to you tonight (we'll lock those meta posts when you say you're ready). We have one more section to write yet (today, I hope).
@Jin We'd like to include the "pretty" URL for the landing page in the print publication, for people who come across it on paper and want to get their own. Also, can you tell us the name of the person who'll be working with you so we can give proper credit?
@Jin finally, I assume you're going to at some point have a draft you want people to look at? Any idea when that would be, so we can plan for it?
All: I added a draft of the "thank you" page here. If you add any more questions, please add any new users to the list there. Also, I just quickly dashed off the text there for now; please feel free to improve. I won't have more time to focus on it until much later tonight.
Jin: the questions here are grouped and ordered by section. Can we somehow convey the section that each question is part of in the formatting? (Page headers? Something else?) "Magid" is a section with sub-sections (as shown above), just for some additional complication. :-) We've included both Hebrew and English section titles; it'd be good if we could use both. — Monica Cellio39 secs ago
@Jin ^^^ on layout/formatting. The comment is on our table-of-contents post on meta.
All: I'm going to be out for a few hours. When I get back I'm planning to lock all the posts linked from the TOC except maybe the "thank you" page (since that's so new I'd like to give us a chance to work on it more, say until tomorrow sometime, unless Jin needs it right away).