Root Access

welll I'm tired of working on my computer for tonight, @JourneymanGeek @Hennes I'll talk to you tomorrow, I'm just going to warm it up a bit and use the usb ethernet adapter i bought right now

Ariane

12:36 AM

Can someone tell me how I can move Windows Restore to D:\ to reduce the wear on my SSD?

Ariane

12:54 AM

@allquixotic ?

Bob

1:08 AM

@Ariane Probably not possible...

Ariane

1:25 AM

@Bob Really? Not even with a symbolic link? Sad.

user88311

1:36 AM

@Hennes It makes me wonder, I can understand A piece of hardware having issues, but not multiple at the exact time, so still have to feel as the defender update had something to do with it

Ariane

4

Q: Cannot delete files, nothing seems to work

I am on Windows 7. I have some files on my computer leftover from an old version of Photoshop. (I think... I don't remember exactly where they came from, but they seem to be Adobe files.) There are 124 of them in a folder, which I have named "KILL." (I don't remember what the original name of...

windows-7

Is the comment I posted okay? Do I have the right to do that?

Bob

2:33 AM

@Ariane Something to do with the volume shadow service, which is quite... picky... at the best of times. But I'm not sure.

It might be possible.

@Ariane What was the comment?

Ariane

3:00 AM

@Bob Asked about a bug of mine. He said it was not okay. Ir emoved it.

Seriously, not having a good experience with Linux

Third distribution I'm going to attempt to make a bootable USB drive with. >_>

I just want to delete a freaking file. ._.

Bob

@Ariane what do you mean?

Ariane

Well, they all bugged in one way of another so far. Not able to boot into them properly.

Trying Puppy now.

Bob

..

Knoppix on USBalways worked for me

OpenSUSE took a lot of fiddling

Ariane

Knoppix? Isn't it a huge thing, like 2 GB?

Anyway, gonna try this new distribution now.

Bob

Kubuntu worked, but started with 0 brightness (black) on a laptop

@Ariane 3.5 GB DVD, or 700 MB CD

Ariane

3:07 AM

@Bob Yeah... Not gonna explode my download limit further. :p

Seriously, this is heck of a pain in the butt to delete a file.

Bob

Tried Unlocker?

Ariane

Yush

Bob

what's so special about this file?

Ariane

It's a folder actually

I tried to move my ProgramData folder, but it failed. Now I can't try again because I have a locked ProgramData on my secondary drive.

Bob

hm

try chkdsk

Ariane

3:11 AM

That has chances of corrupting a disc from what I know.

Bob

there's always a chance

likewise with the linux ntfs driver

Ariane

3:32 AM

@Bob I succeeded, somewhat.

I had created the symbolic link from Linux, which didn't work and booted Windows weird with resetted stuff, but then I did a mklink to ProgramData2, and then went back to Linux to delete ProgramData and rename ProgramData2 to ProgramData. Seems to have worked, though Programmes (translated overlay) went back to being called Program Files for some reason.

Bob

4:12 AM

&amp;#27;

:\

Ariane

Wha?

@Bob Anyway, uhm. I made a mistake. Do you know how to bring a folder's attributes to "hidden" instead of "hidden and a protected system file"? I tried attrib -s but looks like that's not it.

Looks like he left.

Bob

@Ariane .. it is attrib -s AFAIK

Ariane

Really?

Bob

you might need to attrib -s -h followed by attrib +h

Ariane

I'll try this

It worked. Thanks!

Bob

4:29 AM

>attrib +s +h test

>attrib test
A  SH        test

>attrib -s test
Not resetting hidden file - test

>attrib test
A  SH        test

>attrib -h test
Not resetting system file - test

>attrib test
A  SH        test

>attrib -s -h test

>attrib test
A            test

>attrib +h test

>attrib test
A   H        test

Ariane

Now to repairing the Acrobat I broke by being too hasty...

Bob

@Ariane Windows command line tools follow funny rules when dealing with system/hidden files :\

Ariane

It'sh fine. I acted quite funny myself by symlinking a system folder partly using Linux. It has a right to revenge. :p

Sigh

Now this is weird

acrodist.exe - System erroer
Impossible to start the program because ACE.dll is missing on your computer. Try reinstalling the program to correct this problem. Hello, mister program. This is what I'm currently doing, trying to reinstall you. ._.

Bob

:\

Ariane

It's weird enough that Adobe Acrobat was the only program to be broken by my manipulations...

Bob

4:33 AM

uninstaller failing?

@Ariane It's an Adobe product. 'nuff said.

Ariane

No, no, I uninstalled it fine. Trying to install it at the moment.

@Bob But weirder is none of the brazillon other Adobe programs I have broke, I think. xD

Bob

o.O

Ariane

Oh christ

I hid the symlink

I think I shouldn't have.

Trying again...

Looks like it's working. The hidden programdata link was the problem.

I've never done so much destruction and repairing in my whole life. I think I technically ruined and restored my computer 4 times tonight.

Sigh. Actually, all 64-bit Adobe applications are broken. GOnna reinstall, it seems.

Bob

4:53 AM

@Ariane funfunfun

spent half a week fixing my Windows boot once

cause I was stupid after replacing RAM and accidentally reset the BIOS

starting it in IDE mode (instead of RAID/AHCI), which corrupted the Windows' boot config

worst part? the corruption was unnecessary if Windows handled it properly

Ariane

Aaah. Tonight I deleted my boot config. Thanksfully the Windows DVD fixed it. It was still on my old installation's drive, so when I tried to erase and format it, booting became impossible. :p

Bob

@Ariane I don't like the automatic repair :\

it works (sometimes), but the new BCD is missing some stuff

bare minimum to boot, essentially

Ariane

BCD?

Bob

Boot Configuration Data or something

Ariane

Why is it taking over a minute to delete 2 GB on an SSD?

Bob

4:58 AM

the BCD is a flat-file (I think...) that replaced boot.ini as of Vista

Ariane

And what is it missing?

Bob

@Ariane depends on number of files

@Ariane can't remember. I can check when Iget home, if yo uwant

I learned to always backup my BCD

Ariane

Ah, must be that.

Bob

it doesn't really change anyway, so just one backups saves hours of pain

Deleting data is actually entirely a metadata operation (unless wiping, i.e. overwriting)

so its speed is in files/sec, not bytes/sec

Ariane

Uh-huh...

Bob

5:00 AM

and NTFS's metadata is notoriously slow, according to @allquixotic

Ariane

Mhm, okay.

Bob

basically, it just marks each file as deleted (and maybe does something with the free-space maps? that might be affected by file size - no noticeable difference between 1 kB and 100 GB anyway) in the file system's metadata

but does not touch the actual data on the drive

Ariane

Mhm, okay.

Bob

..not sure if you agree or have no clue what I'm on about :P

Ariane

Does Windows have an option making a backup of my "fully installed but not so used system" for easier reinstalling?

Bob

5:02 AM

I'm bad at explaining things :\

Ariane

No, I understood.

Bob

@Ariane System image

(start menu search it)

I believe it also lets you burn a bootable disc

Ariane

Okay.

Bob

though i personally prefer third party imaging tools

Ariane

I'll do that once I'm sure I've repaired all of my things.

Bob

5:03 AM

I think the Windows DVD also lets you restore a system image

just a warning, it can get rather... large

Ariane

Yush, it does, I think

Bob

another reasonI use third party imagers; they often compress more

Ariane

How large?

Bob

I'm not entirely sure it compresses at all :S

so maybe all used space on your C (system) drive?

it might skip the user profiles

I honestly don't know

Ariane

I very much hope it does compress, because else it'll fill up my tertiary drive and I won't be able to use it for anything else. :p

Say

I bought a new Windows 8 key today, which I installed onto my hardly-trustable-source DVD installation. It works, but I'm afraid the DVD had errors and such. Do you think it's possible, once I receive my real DVD, to tell it to completely wipe Windows 8 but keep all data and apps, and then reinstall Windows 8?

Bob

5:08 AM

umm.. maybe? XD

upgrade installs work half the time

I'm not sure if the 'refresh' option (which reinstalls the system byt keeps Metro apps and user data - does not keep Desktop programs) can be run exclusively from a DVD (i.e. don't use HDD files)

Ariane

It can, but desktop programs is preciously what I don't want to lose.

precisely*

Bob

but corruption of your original DVD is unlikely - I'm pretty sure the Windows installer verified checksums of installation files

at least, I hope so...

@Ariane yea, Refresh is useless for that

stupid MS

Ariane

I wonder what it'd do if I asked it to upgrade even though there's technically no upgrade to be done

Bob

nothing

you have to modify a text file somewhere IIRC

(which requires reburning the DVD? I think)

or maybe that was ust upgrading from the previews

Ariane

Hmmmm.

I guess I'm just gonna keep it as is for now.

Bob

5:12 AM

there was something in the starred sidebar about a registry entry earlier, I think

uhh

gotta go back to work -_-

I'll be back later

Ariane

Sure. Bye. I'll be sleeping when you get back, so~

Ariane

5:22 AM

I wonder why Corsair Link says my hard drives are at 0 °C. Maybe they don't have thermometers?

Journeyman Geek

6:11 AM

maybe

or its not reading the smart data for whatever reason

what's cosair link a part of? your PSU?

Sathya

6:57 AM

looking at a new build - this what I'm thinking. flipkart.com/wishlist/sathyabhat Thoughts?

Journeyman Geek

quite a few ;p

silence oriented build or...?

hm, they don't have the M12? odd

eh, based off what flipkart has, none I guess

;p

seasonic power supplies are pretty nice. I got an M12, and its pretty silent

@Sathya: I assume you've got disks/case already?

Sathya

@JourneymanGeek no particular orientation - general browsing/gaming system

@JourneymanGeek case, will be borrowing a friend's CM690. HDD, yeah will need that too - budget not allowing for a SSD

Journeyman Geek

@Sathya: ahh. Was about to suggest doing a price comparison with an M12. Also, least here,kingston ram is a little cheaper (and about as reliable)

borrowing? ;p

@Sathya: eh, for 'basic' stuff. you MIGHT be able to find a cost effective small SSD

(and blah, I hate having to convert prices ;p)

Sathya

7:33 AM

@JourneymanGeek ;p

well, he got a Cm 690 shipped to him. But he never bought a desktop. so lying unused.

@JourneymanGeek M12?

Journeyman Geek

@Sathya: yeah seasonicusa.com/M12II.htm slightly more powerful I think but very similar

Sathya

ah

Journeyman Geek

er

scratch that, they're pretty similar

seasonicusa.com/M12II-Bronze.htm vs seasonicusa.com/S12II-Bronze.htm

Sathya

ah

@JourneymanGeek such as?

Journeyman Geek

7:50 AM

@Sathya: Well flipkart dosen't seem to have any

but look at something in the 80 gig range?

Sathya

@JourneymanGeek look at onlyssd.com

Journeyman Geek

hmm, what kinda budget do we have?

(In INR... else I'd need to convert from INR to USD to INR .... ;p)

onlyssd.com/ssd-price-india/buy-ssd-sata/… this is a pretty good option. slightly pricy, but reliable as hell

or one of these. onlyssd.com/ssd-capacity/buy-120gb-ssd/…

(significantly larger, but its a good drive, and not much more expensive)

Sathya

8:12 AM

@JourneymanGeek nice.. the Intel one looks attractive

Sathya

8:29 AM

@GrahamWager nice, congrats!

Journeyman Geek

8:42 AM

I'd warn though, that windows 8, you arn't going to notice MUCH improvement in boot speed

unless you reboot.

(for that matter, kubuntu boots up blisteringly fast on the old 40gb 5400 rpm laptop drive I use)

Journeyman Geek

8:54 AM

eheh

theverge.com/2013/1/31/3937516/…

apparently the US army uses IRC

Bob

9:51 AM

@JourneymanGeek AKA two boats meeting on an ocean?

Journeyman Geek

;P

Oliver Salzburg

10:37 AM

IRC is such a horrible protocol

Journeyman Geek

IRC sorta works

As long as there's internet

Oliver Salzburg

Oh, it's great to use. I just wouldn't want to implement anything with it :P

I've written a client in Java and in ActionScript. Both were horrible experiences :D

Bob

ActionScript?

I'll bet :P

Oliver Salzburg

It was even before AS3 and I had to use the dreaded XMLSocket

Which is obviously a problem because IRC doesn't build on XML :P

Journeyman Geek

10:53 AM

lol

@OliverSalzburg: good thing there's plenty of good irc clients? ;p

Oliver Salzburg

@JourneymanGeek I don't know any good ones and I've been using IRC for more than 10 years ;D

Journeyman Geek

@OliverSalzburg: I use hexchat, with quite a lot of theme tweaks ;p

Oliver Salzburg

And I had to implement the ones I did because they were part of larger applications that needed chat functionality

@JourneymanGeek I use mIRC because I still have a ton of scripts written in it :P

Journeyman Geek

@OliverSalzburg: wierdly, thats pretty much the same reason I use xchat

and my theme's followed me from linux, to silverex to hexchat

Oliver Salzburg

@JourneymanGeek I also don't really care enough to pick a new client :D

Journeyman Geek

10:56 AM

;p

There's also a few hosted chat clients that work (iris is what I favour these days)

Oliver Salzburg

I used Mibbit on the road for a bit

Bob

The last time I was on IRC, I used ChatZilla..

that was ages ago :\

Oliver Salzburg

@Bob ChatZilla was never OK to use ;D

Journeyman Geek

;p

Bob

@OliverSalzburg hm?

Oliver Salzburg

11:06 AM

@Bob You may not be aware of it. But when you close your client and it prints 12:34:56 * Bob (user@host.org) Quit (Quit: Using ChatZilla 2.3.784)... that's not good

People know...

Bob

what's wrong with it?

Oliver Salzburg

@Bob Most likely nothing. It's some wannabe IRC eliteist bullshit :P

Bob

...

screw it

IDC which client I use

long as it works

been ages anyway, the few times I need to now I just use an online client

Oliver Salzburg

Everything other than typing every PRIVMSG into telnet is not hardcore enough obviously

Journeyman Geek

lol

Oliver Salzburg

11:18 AM

Journeyman Geek

I used to use konversation

Oliver Salzburg

Yay \o/

Journeyman Geek

which lets you set your own client string

Oliver Salzburg

Level 8 German. So proud!

Journeyman Geek

I set something very impolite ;p

Oliver Salzburg

11:30 AM

What does ibooter.us do?

How did I get to that site anyway? WTF

Oliver Salzburg

12:05 PM

>:(

Sathya

LOL

Journeyman Geek

damn you creative

and your crappy drives

1

Q: How can I change my MS DOS to window 7?

today I buied new lenovo and it had MS DOS so I wanna use window 7 in lenovo How can i change to window 7 from default MS DOS window ? please help me

windows-7

Oliver Salzburg

@JourneymanGeek Who upvoted that?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ...is that even possible?

I mean, buying a new computer with MS-DOS of all things on it?

heck, may as well stay in the UEFI shell

Journeyman Geek

12:21 PM

I think some companies sell comptuers with freedos

they arn't allowed to sell OSless systems

Bob

@JourneymanGeek o.O

wouldn't it be easier to chuck some small linux distro on there?

less worry about hardware compatibility, too

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: maybe ;p

no one EXPECTS to use freedos tho

Bob

and arguably, the UEFI shell is an OS :p

Journeyman Geek

and its just one of those 'our contract says it needs to ship with SOME os'

user88311

12:41 PM

@Hennes you still asleep

Hennes

More of less. :)

user88311

ah, you get that last message I sent last night before I got off

allquixotic

hii... damn so many pings

Oliver Salzburg

@allquixotic Greetings :) ping

Bob

@allquixotic ping

allquixotic

12:46 PM

GAH

whoa, that's awesome... a SuperUser wrote this

Nicole Hamilton, Redmond, WA

4.6k 1 1 20

windows-7 windows linux bash windows-xp unix command-line

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: yeah, and she answers a lot of bash questions

allquixotic

it's hilarious that the marketing for that product claims that it "will not hang. Ever". so apparently she's solved the Halting Problem :D

Halting problem

In computability theory, the halting problem can be stated as follows: "Given a description of an arbitrary computer program, decide whether the program finishes running or continues to run forever". This is equivalent to the problem of deciding, given a program and an input, whether the program will eventually halt when run with that input, or will run forever. Alan Turing proved in 1936 that a general algorithm to solve the halting problem for all possible program-input pairs cannot exist. A key part of the proof was a mathematical definition of a computer and program, what became known ...

well, maybe not, but i guess they did formal verification? O_O or are just claiming that :P

Journeyman Geek

lol

and it does seem a tiny bit expensive

small market and all that ;p

Oliver Salzburg

People pay more for any crappy VST plugin ;P

"OMG Best! Reverb! Ever!"

Bob

1:01 PM

@OliverSalzburg Ah, audiophiles. The ones on the no-sense-with-money side of the scale...

Here's a solid platinum soaked-in-babies'-blood-to-remove-impurities 1m long cable, that'll be $1500

Hennes

1:25 PM

"Please connect the cable with the right side of the cable to the amplifier"

(example on a $200 Ethernet cable for audio use)

It was forged by elves during full moon and under an oak.

Journeyman Geek

1:39 PM

pfft

10K usd power cable ;p

(sadly, its a kettle lead in a garden hose full of sandblasting aggregate)

Hennes

1:54 PM

Wrong on sooooo many levels: d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/…

Daniel Beck

@Hennes She probably should have tried attending parent/teacher conferences to get to know her child's teachers first.

Oliver Salzburg

@Hennes Source: Daily Star :P

Hennes

a piece of high journalism...

Oliver Salzburg

A German consumer right organization is suing Valve

Wonder how that will turn out...

They demand that people should be able to resell their games

Bob

@OliverSalzburg wut why

oh

Hennes

2:09 PM

Heh. I would love to see the result

Quite a few games to sell.

Oliver Salzburg

Yeah, I'd especially love to sell all the cut versions I bought by accident >:(

Hennes

I got a few games which make me nauseous (e.g. Bioshock)

Sometimes the camaera/walk usage is fine, for some games it is just wrong

Bob

@Hennes FoV?

Hennes

simulated 'natural' head movements.

Bob

ah.

Hennes

2:13 PM

Or 'vampire the masqurade bloodline'. Old game. Nice to play. I get stuck in the first part of the game where I have to pick up a purse and get something from a car.

Oliver Salzburg

Heh forums.2kgames.com/…

Bob

I remember turning off head movement (cl_bob) in CS1.6 Made aiming much easier without a distracting gun moving around.

Hennes

Picking up the purse failed. I know where it is, I try to pick it up but I am not close enough. Can'g get any closer either

And the car has an item in the truck. Press the 'open, close or pickup' action button. Truck opened. Press it again to pick it up. Trunk closes. No item.

Quest style item for the next level.

18 hours player. About 10 on those two points. :(

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