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But similar old inscriptions.
 
I wholly sympathize with this fellow’s peeve, but I cannot see how this can be constructive:
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Q: Is the phrase "it's just a matter of semantics" meaningless?

KSwensonI hear this phrase from time to time, and I really don't know what it means. Two people are debating, and one says "the difference between your position and mine is just a matter of semantics." This would seem to me to be quite an important difference. That is, if one person means one thing, ...

 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 If you go to an orgy to take incriminating photos, you are there for the wrong reason.
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There are no spectators, only participants.
 
@tchrist That's rather meta.
 
@KitFox I'm not trying to pass judgement on orgiers, or orgy photographers. (orgiographers, as they like to be called).
 
2:01 AM
Well, I am.
 
passes on historiographership
 
of course you are. you're power-mad and judgemental :)
 
I’ve never seen a photographer at an orgy.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Orgiers, or orgiastes?
 
Also, the preferred term is sex party, not orgy.
 
2:02 AM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Give it to me.
Well, sex parties are a little different than orgies.
 
@tchrist Oops, I apologize for offending your sensibilities.
 
@KitFox Well, there are the funny hats, I suppose.
@Cerberus That would be my delicate sensibilities.
 
Has anybody seen my staple gun?
 
Because you only have such sensibilities when wearing your delicates?
 
@tchrist Never mind. I found it.
 
2:03 AM
@KitFox If it’s gone, you’ve left the barndoor open.
Forward refs, whoot whoot.
 
Whoever repaired this chair last apparently sold beans for 50 cents a bag.
 
Is that a drug reference?
 
I don't think so.
 
is it an idiom?
 
Who sells beans by the bag?
What kind of beans?
I cannot think of any snack-beans.
Peanuts arguably excepted.
 
2:13 AM
I dunno. Farmers?
 
soy beans. roasted soy beans are yummy.
 
But but but.
 
also edamame
wasabi peas
 
You can’t get bags of beans for gardening that cheaply.
The Spanish do this weird thing with giant dried, split, and salted fava beans as a snack-bean.
Maybe not dried. Maybe fried.
Not sure.
 
i had fava beans once. they were nasty.
but maybe i made them wrong
 
2:15 AM
They can give lima beans a good name.
 
i can imagine snacky lima beans, though i've never seen them
 
@tchrist Maybe it wasn't cheap 50 years ago.
 
@tchrist Lightly fried, I think.
I don't get them.
 
All this talk of beans makes me want to plug my book
 
Fairly bland and unremarkable.
 
2:16 AM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Do it.
 
They are not called fava beans in Spain, of course.
 
Oh. I didn't see the link from this angle.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yay!
What's your profit margin anyway?
 
They are called habas in Castilian (=Spanish), and fabes in Asturian and most of the others.
 
@Cerberus very slim. So far the net profits are negative.
 
2:17 AM
Because you have to a lump sum up front to Lulu?
 
I have spent hardly any time at all promoting the book.
 
I know people who quite dislike lima beans.
 
What is your marginal profit margin, if you know what I mean?
 
@Cerberus No, because it costs more money to operate the website.
 
And so refuse to get in the same room with fava beans.
 
2:18 AM
@Cerberus About $1.50 /copy
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Oh...I see.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Ah OK. That is about what I expected.
 
Wikipedia has no Dutch page for succotash, only English, French, German, and Polish. Perhaps the Dutch have forbidden it. If so, I know people who would like to move to your country.
 
What is it?
Something juicy?
 
It’s lima beans and sweet corn and milk/cream and salt&pepper.
 
i've never had succotash
i don't even know what it is, aside from something that an animated character says
 
2:22 AM
I don't know lima beans either.
 
Er.
Succotash (from Narragansett msíckquatash, "boiled corn kernels") is a food dish consisting primarily of corn and lima beans or other shell beans. and green or sweet red peppers. Because of the relatively inexpensive and more readily available ingredients, the dish was popular during the Great Depression in the United States. It was sometimes cooked in a casserole form, often with a light pie crust on top as in a traditional pot pie. Succotash is a traditional dish of many Thanksgiving celebrations in New England as well as in Pennsylvania and other states. In some parts of the American S...
 
We have none of that stuff.
 
Phaseolus lunatus is a legume. It is grown for its seed, which is eaten as a vegetable. It is commonly known as the lima bean or butter bean. Origin and uses Phaseolus lunatus is of Andean and Mesoamerican origin. Two separate domestication events are believed to have occurred. The first, taking place in the Andes around 2000 BC, produced a large-seeded variety (Lima type), while the second, taking place in Mesoamerica around AD 800, produced a small-seeded variety (Sieva type). By around 1300, cultivation had spread north of the Rio Grande, and in the 1500s, the plant began to be cul...
Butter bean, maybe you call it.
 
Looks rather bland and unappealing, sorry.
Boring, even.
Yet exotic.
 
@tchrist i see nothing about milk in that article.
anyway, i see nothing wrong with that. i have independently invented that dish before when i was low on ingredients
 
2:24 AM
@JSBձոգչ It’s kinda like creamed corn with lima beans.
@Cerberus That is exactly it, and the precise reason why people dislike them. Boring, bland. Even mealy.
 
@tchrist the pic sure looks like whole kernel corn, not creamed corn
 
Well, right.
 
anyway, creamed corn also is yummy
 
It is the white sauce prep I am thinking of.
Butter and milk and salt and pepper. Ask @Cerb the fancy name for such a sauce.
 
huh
 
2:26 AM
@tchrist Ugh yes, mealiness if the problem with many bean-based dishes.
 
all i know is, i took a can of red beans and a bag of frozen corn, heated them together, then ate them with butter and salt
it was yummy
 
@tchrist I don't know...does that even have a name?
 
Yes it does. Moment.
 
It looks like bechamel-minus.
 
There is a rue, but that has flour, too.
Or a roux.
 
2:28 AM
Yes, a roux is just butter and flour, I think.
Possibly with water.
 
2 tablespoons butter
2 tablespoons flour
1 cup milk
 salt
 white or black pepper
I have never used the flour in succotash.
You have to be careful with flour in sauces.
But using cream is nicer than milk. Decadent.
I do not know how that is different from a Béchamel.
 
@tchrist That's béchamel.
 
You just use whatever white sauce or cream sauce you are used to making like with pasta and such.
Just not so rich, maybe.
 
Who ever makes béchamel?
It's so extremely boring.
 
I like the white sauce with minced shallots thing.
 
2:32 AM
At least add cheese and turn it into a Morney (I have just read that).
My mother always made that.
 
Maybe a tablespoon or two of white wine.
 
Minced shallots?
There are so many good sauces.
Ravigote...Hollandaise...
 
What do you think of white pepper instead of black in a cream sauce? My mom says it is silly to worry about the appearance, but I think it is nice.
I have to make supper. It is dominating my thinking. :)
 
I prefer black pepper in most sauces.
White pepper has a different taste.
It can be good.
I never use it.
What are you making?
 
Yes, she says she likes the flavor of black pepper more.
I don’t know, but these have made me terribly hungry.
 
2:35 AM
Now I'm hungry too.
And I'm not supposed to eat any more today.
 
@Cerberus You know what shallots are, right?
 
Sjalotten.
Oblong, small onions.
With a stronger taste.
 
Right, reddish.
 
They are not reddish here.
Well, maybe we have different kinds.
At least nothing like red onions.
 
The shallot (Allium cepa var. aggregatum, or the Aggregatum group A. cepa) is a botanical variety of the species Allium cepa, to which the multiplier onion also belongs. The shallot was formerly classified as a separate species, A. ascalonicum, a name now considered a synonym of the currently accepted name. The genus Allium, which includes onions and garlic as well as shallots, is now classified in the plant family Amaryllidaceae, but was formerly considered to belong to the separate family Alliaceae. Names Shallots probably originated in Central or Southeast Asia, travelling from there...
Wrong picky.
 
2:36 AM
Hmm yes.
I think ours are normally more like orange.
But wha'evs.
 
Hm, I think we call yellow the ones you call orange.
 
Probably.
We call yellow/orange onions white.
And purple ones red.
 
Because you can buy green, yellow, white, and red onions, but “orange” isn’t a normal color-name for onions.
Yes, the red-vs-purple thing.
They look purple, usually.
 
A white onion is truly white.
With no hint of yellow.
 
2:38 AM
A bit blurry. One down, five to go.
 
@KitFox Very nice!
 
“Green onions” are actually scallions. Like super-chives, with mini-bulbs. Kinda.
 
Is that what you're doing?
 
@Cerberus danku
 
2:43 AM
> a northern Minnesota artist admitted in court Wednesday that he fatally crushed his wife with a five-metre-tall totem pole they were carving.
from here
not your typical murder weapon
 
Although I'm not sure what possessed me to buy stripes.
 
@KitFox I like the chairs too, very elegant.
The stripes look nice.
 
@JSBձոգչ This P.Dutch succotash recipe is more the kind I grew up with.
 
They are pretty worn, but I plan to wipe them down with fresh stain to hide the blemishes.
 
I want nice chairs.
 
2:44 AM
The stripes are nice, but I'm pretty neurotic about symmetry. Stripes make that difficult.
 
@KitFox go crazy! make each chair totally different!
 
And now I'm wondering if the pattern should have been pointed in the opposite direction.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 hyperventilates
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 You can tell that is not a real account, because they don’t have those in Minnesota.
 
@KitFox 6 chairs, six angles of rotation!
 
@KitFox They look absolutely fine.
 
2:46 AM
@tchrist what, metres?
 
Right.
> Prosecutors said Linda Muggli died after a 17-foot-tall, 700-pound totem pole they were carving fell onto her from its cradle.
Much more impressive that way.
 
Two of them are already different, and I think there's one that was never re-covered. So three different seats for six chairs.
 
Like a gorilla troope on stilts.
 
Not exceptionally funny.
@tchrist Another reason not to carve totem poles.
 
@Kit What’s the difference between a sex party and an orgy? Are there other related terms with slightly different nuances? Bacchanal? Symposium? Fuckfest? I looked, but this does not seem to be GR after all, so I thought I’d try KR instead.
Scared her off.
Now I’ll never know.
And no, I am not going to ask on Main.
 
2:52 AM
At a sex party, the expectation is usually that couples or perhaps threesomes will have sex. Usually in open bedrooms or such.
At an orgy, the expectation is that most everyone will have sex with most everyone else.
 
Oh.
 
The others I can't say for sure. I don't think I've been to any.
 
I seem to have mislabelled them.
 
So sex parties are great for voyeurs and exhibitionists.
I guess I have been to a symposium.
It didn't involve sex though.
 
Symposium is a Greek drinking thing.
Well, was.
Now it is just a conference.
 
2:55 AM
@Cerberus yes, only mildly amusing. But I do read smbc every day, in my rss reader.
 
With or without the potables.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Oh, great. What do you use on Mobile?
I use gReader.
Excusez le pied de chameau.
 
Did I mention I put the locksets on the new doors today? I have a lock on my bedroom door now. Hell, I have a bedroom door now.
Whee!
 
@tchrist I'm not going without.
 
@Cerberus Google Reader
 
2:57 AM
@KitFox Your children will be disappointed...
 
@Cerberus Chameau
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Oh...I heard gReader was better?
 
@Cerberus My children will need less therapy.
Hopefully.
 
@tchrist Right, I knew it was something different.
@KitFox ...but other forms of entertainment.
 
Damn it. I was going to drink tonight and I forgot.
Too late now.
 
3:00 AM
@KitFox Geek conferences have a surprising amount of sex, actually.
 
@tchrist The symposium I went to had no sex. The conferences I've been to... stares off into space
 
It is a documented phenomenon, in fact. It’s the conference thing.
 
Wow that's a painful place to go.
 
Now you make me try and count.
 
@Cerberus It may be better. the official google reader app is not bad. Not perfect, but it works well.
 
3:01 AM
@tchrist What?
Just thinking about conferences reminds me about this intense affair I had.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 This is the only one I have ever used on A., so I couldn't say. I just read somewhere that it was the best.
 
Mmm. Delicious.
 
Heh. All the conference hookups. One of them turned into a “thing”, because the other person was from Boulder, although we’d never met. But we met and hooked up at the conference, and then carried on for five months back home.
Long ago. She was a double-major in Classics and CompSci. I couldn’t resist. :)
 
Why did it end?
Classics is excellent.
 
@tchrist I don't see why you'd even try to resist that.
 
3:04 AM
Hm, she had a depressive streak. And said I was treating her like “one of the guys”. And because she traded me in for my younger cousin.
 
Ugh.
 
Sounds like my dream girl.
 
You have a cousin?
 
Then she was annoying and you should be glad she isn't nagging your head off every day.
 
@tchrist Of course I do.
 
3:05 AM
I meant one to whom you lost a girlfriend. :)
 
Hmm. I guess not.
I remember one conference where we met a lab we were partnering with for the first time. We got hammered, went swimming in the ocean at midnight, and I ended up having sex with one of them on the beach, and then a different one back at my hotel room.
Good times, man, good times.
 
The stamina of youth. The chafing of sand.
Scary combo.
 
It was against the wall under the pier. No chafing.
 
There’s a lot of that at beach towns. Walking home by the beach after bartime at Sitges, there’s almost a lineup along the wall down at the beach.
But this is a place whose clubs have foam parties on the beach, so you gotta expect it.
 
Why don't we have that?
People are so tame.
 
3:10 AM
Probably because it is too cold?
 
In winter, yes.
But...people still have sex outside.
Just not near beaches, that I know of.
In bushes.
 
It's easier to have sex outside when it is cold.
 
This is Sitges in Catalunya. South of Barcelona a little ways, like two euros by regional train. Super gay.
 
@KitFox Really? I thought it was the opposite.
 
You can hide it better. Long coats and whatnot.
 
3:11 AM
Some of the clubs have outside foam parties on the beach in July and August.
 
Oh, easy in that way.
 
And you have to walk back into town from them along the beachfront where all the little shacks have closed up for the night. There must be 100 guys lined up there along about a mile and a half. Well, on popular nights.
 
sighs I miss wanting sex.
 
Not constructive:
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Q: Is the phrase "it's just a matter of semantics" meaningless?

KSwensonI hear this phrase from time to time, and I really don't know what it means. Two people are debating, and one says "the difference between your position and mine is just a matter of semantics." This would seem to me to be quite an important difference. That is, if one person means one thing, ...

Really not constructive:
"Meaning is without question the single most important thing in any communication" is strictly personal opinion & untenable, not a true fact. Such assertions are typical of blindered vision, absolutism, & black-&-white images of the world. Were meaning so important, there'd be no room for style, which'ld be a mere frill for all but the effete, no such things as spin-doctors, & no poets, only socialist-realist writers à les Bolsheviki & Mao, & no lame exhortations about ripping out fingernails. "'T'ain't whatcha say but how thatcha say it." — Bill Franke 9 mins ago
So, I have just been accused of blindered vision and absolutism.
Is this really necessary?
I hate his rants.
I have better things to do.
Byez.
 
@tchrist How dare he accuse you of absolutism! ;)
> A programmer had a problem. He thought to himself, "I know, I'll solve it with threads!". has Now problems. two he
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3:25 AM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Haha.
 
That's really funny.
 
The google TTS bug is really funny too
> Google Now if asked "What is a Giraffe?" finishes the description with "he now praises the iPad"
 
that's Okay, good.
 
aw, they fixed it. rats
 
3:28 AM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It just stops at "with" for me?
Oh, fixed.
Too bad.
Threads are when you let two commands be executed at the same time, such that one does not wait for the other (unless so instructed), right?
 
@Cerberus yeah when I first heard about it, I tried it and it was reproducible.
 
Hmm.
 
@Cerberus sorta
 
Okay.
I use threads sometimes when I encounter unexpected behaviour.
They seem to work well enough.
 
 
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@Cerberus Have I been too subtle? :)
@BarrieEngland Other languages of course have their own parts of speech and properties thereof, and so need their own taggers and tagsets, which necessarily differ from those of English. However, in the domain of language instruction, the area where most people encounter such things, the teaching of compound tenses is in my experience universal, whether it be for Latin, French, ... — tchrist 11 mins ago
... Spanish, or even English! Those are the standard approaches to teaching conjugation, which as you see includes both simple and compound tenses in all languages from Latin to English and beyond. No Frenchman will accept the idea that j’ai parlé is a present-tense conjugation merely because ai is in the present tense. It is in the passé composé, not the present. This is how people talk about these things, so it interferes with discussion to use “tense” to mean something else. — tchrist 6 mins ago
Any subtlety is lost once the links are followed. :)
 
6:21 AM
Hehe.
 
Good evening.
 
Hi!
@tchrist You're not going to convince him by arguments outside his subfield.
God, I have spent so many hours on this caput answer, rereading and churning on the various etymological dictionaries...
I think I have most of the relevant info there now.
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A: What rule governs the vowel alternations in Latin caput/capit-/cept-/cipit-/ciput?

CerberusNone of these can be explained by synchronic rules in Latin grammar, at least not in the classical age. Nor does this seem to be regular Proto-Indo-European ablaut, where one would expect something like *cp-/cep-/cop-. Somehow many different allomorphs of caput existed; but allomorphs of other st...

 
So, uh, has everything from earlier today blown over?
 
What, exactly?
 
@Mahnax Every what thing?
 
6:25 AM
That thing between Kit and Mr Shiny and Mitch was a joke, if you mean that.
 
Was it really?
 
Yes.
 
Huh.
If you say so, then.
 
It is 100 % certain.
Ask them if you like.
They're silliebillies.
 
Interesting. It did seem rather odd for them all to be going at each other like that, I guess.
I feel quite silly now.
 
6:29 AM
Aww.
 
Hehe. Well! I'll just be… over here.
Hi @David.
 
Hi @Mah. Hi @Cerb
 
@DavidWallace How's it going?
 
Hi @MetaEd, didn't see you at first.
@Mah, it's mostly OK.
Except for my annoying neighbours.
 
@DavidWallace Has the job gotten more exciting?
 
6:34 AM
Hi!
 
@DavidWallace waves hand There's nothing to see here. These are not the droids you're looking for.
 
@Mahnax Not greatly.
I think it might in the next few weeks though. I can be patient.
 
Ah, there is hope yet, then?
 
@DavidWallace Ugh, not those proboscidea again?
 
Peeps, I actually came to this room by accident. Fact is that I have to disappear for about half an hour. I'll be back!
 
6:37 AM
Hehe.
Bye!
 
See you, David!
 
7:09 AM
Hey guys, it's not forbidden to talk when I'm not here, you realise?
 
7:36 AM
> A dog shaved to look like a lion prompted someone to call police in Norfolk, Va., earlier this week. On Tuesday morning, a 911 caller reported seeing a baby lion "walking down Colley Avenue, possibly looking for food," according to the Virginian-Pilot. Police then called the Virginia Zoo, which reported both of its lions (Mramba and Zola) were accounted for. [reference]
 
 
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hey guys
 
 
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10:03 AM
@Cerberus why is that a community wiki?
 
Hi
I thought you said Kiwi.
But in any case, both seem to be interchangeable
@RegDwighт
I remember a post where the guy was asking for a name for people who are verbose and wordy. Do you by any chance have the link to that?
 
You mean yesterday? Hold on.
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Q: One's brilliant vocabulary and a tendency to show it off

Inglish Teeture Possible Duplicate: What’s a big-vocabulary word for someone with a big vocabulary? There are people who are blessed with a remarkable knowledge of vocabulary and diction – people who can come up with beautifully crafted sentences and expressions on most subjects at the drop of a hat. ...

 
@RegDwighт 11 Revisions. As far as I remember, a post turns CW even when edited by a single user if there are many revisions.
I reverted it. Thanks for flagging it.
 
Ah, thanks.
I was wondering about that. But I thought the number was round, like 12 or 16.
 
I... honestly don't know.
But it's around that number.
 
10:18 AM
more than 10
 
Ah thanks, @MattЭллен.
 
no trouble :)
 
hi
Thanks @RegDwighт
Much appreciated. I was looking for a link in that post. I think it was posted by Rob.
It took me to a long post by @tchrist.
I was curious to see if the recently posted question by @tchrist was the same as the one linked in the comment of this question.
 
10:51 AM
@DavidWallace You are probably right, but remember that some talk is indeed forbidden.
Dave, in some cultures it's even frowned upon for children to speak in front of their elders.
 

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