English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

12:25 AM

@Cerberus Probably.

Right.

This is all so very Oedipal.

Túrin and Ninor.

The estate of Euripides or whoever first conceived of the tale (it is older than he) must claim copyright!

12:46 AM

@Cerberus Which version are you reading?

I'm looking for a good opposite of receive, I have an even that has an enum that is Received or ? I did nor like sent, dispatched, used removed but did not love it

Dispatched.

I like dispatched.

But the regular word is simply sent.

Did you try the treasure-book?

suddenly I like Dispatched a lot, it is for a station that can receive or dispatch a tray, dispatched still good?

@tchrist treasure-book?

Q: Verb agreement in "Where is the Messiah and his Kingdom?"

@Reg This is a dupe:

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Where is the Messiah and his Kingdom? I think it should be "Where are the Messiah and his kingdom"; it just sounds better! But my friends and even a teacher claim that "is" would be correct.

@JohanLarsson You know, the old dinosaur.

12:51 AM

But I can only find this one:

The Saurus.

Q: "Where is" versus "where are"

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Is it correct to use is rather than are in this question? Where is my mother and father? Grammatically, it should be where are my mother and father? but, for some strange reason, I think I would use where is my mother and father? and I can't explain why that is. Perhaps, I used this struct...

grammatical-number

I am pretty sure we've got one that Kosmo gave an answer to.

Oh. Maybe your question is the one I'm thinking of.

@tchrist google?

Which would not be a dupe. The my wife and I's one.

@JohanLarsson He's saying a thesaurus. What word?

7 mins ago, by Johan Larsson

I'm looking for a good opposite of receive, I have an even that has an enum that is Received or ? I did nor like sent, dispatched, used removed but did not love it

12:55 AM

Hmm. Transmit?

@KitFox I'm not good with riddles

Well, that one started out a bit opaque.

@KitFox here we go again :)

@KitFox maybe, I'll roll a dice I think, just wanted to check that I did not miss any obvious

@JohanLarsson What? You don't like transmit?

How about emit?

I don't know what "an even" means though.

@KitFox think I like emit better, it is for a thing that can either receive or emit? a tray

12:58 AM

A tray?

A dish? Radio transmitter?

a dish

Broadcast?

similar to a platter you eat from, physical thing

Do you have a picture of it?

I have at work but think it is secret, will google for something similar

1:00 AM

Or do you not care that much?

Hm, Robert Harvey is vacationing in ELUville.

very similar in fact^^

Use Thesaurus.Reference.COM.

Oh. Well, you wouldn't emit from that.

I'm writing code for a robot that receives or ? those

1:02 AM

Discharges would be closer to that action.

Dispense.

Dispatch?

@tchrist ty sir, bookmarked

So the robot either picks up (receives) one of these, or puts it down (?).

Serve?

Dispatch is a sending motion, a motion outward that is intended to accomplish some purpose.

@KitFox yep

1:05 AM

So it sort of depends on why the robot is putting it down.

ok, now I have too many options :)

@tchrist ae-lib.org.ua/texts-c/tolkien__unfinished_tales__en.htm

It’s interesting that English appears to have no cognate for French envoyer or Spanish mandar in the “send” sense.

And would somebody please call the bunko squad for me?

Mechanical snail

@tchrist "Remand"?

@KitFox It is mostly because another robot takes the tray

1:06 AM

It has envoy...

Yes.

Hello.

@Cerberus Envoy is not a verb in English, is it?

@JohanLarsson Oh. Well, you could do receive/relieve, I suppose. Kind of militaristic.

But it is a cognate.

1:07 AM

I was looking for a verb.

Inveigh doesn't mean send.

There is no end of verbs with the Latin mand in them of course. But I wanted one for send.

Mechanical snail

en.wiktionary.org/wiki/remand

@tchrist Look no further than look. It is a verb.

Inveigh is from invehĕre.

1:08 AM

Hmm envoy once existed as a verb.

Oh @Johan, maybe just "deliver" would work then?

See the OED.

Yes, I somehow thought envoyer came from inveho too.

But it is invio.

inveigles a glance thither

Nothing ever remains recognisable in French.

sulks

@KitFox yeah, that is it I think. Really simple so the Swedes will get it, thank you for all suggestions!

1:09 AM

Are you beguiled?

@JohanLarsson Oh, I have lots of opinions, and I'm always happy to share them.

We now have not one but two users pretending that adverbs do not inflect by degree in English. Where did this nutterism come from? I’ve never heard it before, but it is surely pure biunk.

I've got to go. Bye!

@Cerberus That’s because they have no care for the Latin language, and can neither speak nor spell it.

@KitFox bye & thanks

1:11 AM

Not true!

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Q: Comparative adverbs

"Officially" (or so I believe) English doesn't have comparative adverbs (a single word rather than "more" + an adverb), but faster is in common usage as one, for example: Do it faster When strictly speaking one should say: Do it more quickly Is the former an error in grammar? Or has E...

adverbs

This just isn’t true.

And I don’t know which Office emitted the proclamation against it, either.

You are getting more harder on people with age.

@Cerberus But you are so right: rien remains recognizable in French.

I must drive home my point more deep.

> A man walks clean if in a foul way he contract but a few spots of dirt.

Can he then not walk cleaner?

> The riches of the East expended that they might sleep soft and wake in magnificence.

Can they not sleep softer that way?

> I shouted ‘hurrah’, and laughed loud and long.

Can I not laugh louder and longer?

What nonsense!

Can a joke that falls flat, if retold, fall flatter?

If one day I’m sitting pretty, and things get even better the next day, couldn’t I be sitting prettier?

1822 Scott Pirate xix, ― That knowledge, which was to cost us both so dear.
1833 Ht. Martineau Cinnamon & P. vii. 124 ― It must do without some articles··or pay dear for them.

Those are adverbs.

1807 Byron Ho. Idleness, To E. N. Long 99 ― The dear-loved peaceful seat.

I shall soar higher tomorrow than today.

warl0ck

1:44 AM

Hi,

In the late summer of that year we lived in a house
in a village that looked across the river and the plain to
the mountains.

What does "Plain to the mountains" mean?

from plain to the mountains?

We looked across [the river and the plain] to the mountains.

warl0ck

archive.org/stream/farewelltoarms01hemi/…

Chapter one

Thanks, I get it

It means they looked across both the river and the plain to the mountain.

1:57 AM

I just realized that I don’t have to rep-cap five days in succession for the super-hat.

Just five total.

2:12 AM

Aaand another batch of lemon mousse is in the fridge.

Has anybody here seen the 48fps version of The Hobbit yet?

Nope.

Why are none of you here when I have lemon mousse?

Because only I alone tracked your street location, and I have miles to go before I sleep. :)

Amateurs.

Have you fared over Atalantë yet?

Then you have not far to go.

Isn’t lemon mousse a bit like lemon meringue pie sans meringue and pie-crust?

Did you know that English has a fruit called a citron which is different from a lemon and a lime both?

Spanish also keeps lemons and limes separate, so has no trouble with adding citrons.

Frankish and Dutchish, well, have a problem there.

Apparently you guys call a citron a sukadeboom.

Spanish quite reasonably has limón=lemon, lima=lime, cidro=citron. Careful with the gender, as cidra is cider.

2:20 AM

@tchrist I don't know what's in lemon meringue pie, but isn't that more like a curd?

It is.

The Brits call it lemon curd, I think.

Well, this is basically lemon curd with whipped egg whites.

Lemon curd is nice.

People don’t call it that here because it suggests curdled milk. You cannot call things curd. It sounds weird.

Hmm odd.

Or cheese curds.

You have cheese curds, right?

2:21 AM

I...don't know.

What are they like? Hüttenkäse?

Cheese curds

:This article is about cheese curds as a regional delicacy. For general information about the dairy product, see curd. For information about the role of curds in cheese processing, see cheese. Cheese curds in cuisine, or cooking, are the solid parts of soured milk either eaten alone or used in various regional dishes, mostly in Canada and the northeastern and midwestern United States. They are sometimes referred to as "squeaky cheese". Characteristics Cheese curds are little known in locations without cheese factories because they should ideally be eaten within hours of manufacture....

Fromage en grains

Le fromage en grains est un fromage cheddar caillé frais. C'est un ingrédient essentiel de la poutine. Il s'agit simplement d'un fromage cheddar qui n'a pas subi de pressage . Au Québec, il est également appelé « fromage en crottes » dans le langage familier. Ce fromage est à son meilleur frais du jour, alors qu'il n'a pas été réfrigéré. Lorsqu'il est réfrigéré, il perd sa texture, il s'affermit et change beaucoup de goût ; par contre il demeure excellent fondu. Ce fromage se trouve aussi dans les autres provinces du Canada, et au nord-est des États-Unis. On situe les origines de ce fro...

Queso en grano

Se llama queso en grano (en inglés cheese curds, en francés fromage en grains) a las partes sólidas de la leche cuajada, empleadas en diversos platos regionales, principalmente en Canadá y el noreste y medio oeste de los Estados Unidos. Características El queso en grano es poco conocido en lugares que no cuentan con queserías, ya que lo ideal es consumirlo horas después de su elaboración. Su sabor es suave, con aproximadamente la misma firmeza que un queso blando, pero con una textura elástico o gomosa. Un rasgo característico es que los granos frescos chirrían contra los dientes al m...

Nope.

We certainly don't have that.

That is, I have never heard of it.

There are only English, French, and Spanish pages, not Dutcher.

That figures, if it is Canadian.

I do not think of it as Canadian. It is quite popular in Wisconsin, eh.

2:23 AM

You know what I don't understand? Why some meringue tarts or pies or whatever have raw meringue.

@tchrist You sound so very Canadian.

@Cerberus I thought there was an imprecation against that.

I must say it looks awful...but is it basically fried cheese?

@tchrist Oh, no, some meringue pies/tarts have bakes meringue.

Baked is not what the imprecation is against, but raw.

What do you mean? I see them with raw meringue a lot.

See the NYTimes.

Yes, everybody does.

2:26 AM

Oh, pah-lease.

If you're scared of salmonella, use pasteurised eggs.

> The only way mayonnaise could be safely made at home is with pasteurized eggs, because there is no way to heat the eggs that go into mayonnaise without turning the mayonnaise into something else, like a soft custard.

> Pasteurized eggs are sold only to institutions.

Besides, I don't think egg whites normally contain any salmonella?

> In mousses or cold souffles, a cooked or Italian meringue can be substituted for stiffly beaten raw egg whites. Because the cooked meringue is very sweet, adjustments have to be made in the rest of the mousse ingredients: the remaining sugar must be reduced or eliminated; in chocolate mousse more unsweetened chocolate is substituted for semisweet or sweet chocolate.

> Mousses where egg yolks are still used, like fruit-flavored variations, must be cooked with extreme care to raise their temperature to 160 degrees without cooking them past the slightly thickened stage. Caution is useful.

Unless you're very weak, just "risk" salmonella.

> The traditional hot meringue is in the repertory of every pastry chef. Using it in mousses is more time-consuming than the usual mousse recipe, but the results rival the best mousses and cold souffles in the world of desserts.

> Soft meringues are not totally safe because the interior temperature never reaches the safety zone, so hard meringues must be substituted. Meringue toppings browned at 325 degrees for 15 to 20 minutes are safe.

2:28 AM

You are likely to encounter a contaminated egg once every 80 years, I believe.

When mom makes "meringued" pies, she just barely browns the tufts.

Yeah.

> The Egg Nutrition Center does not believe that all these alternative cooking methods are completely necessary. The center, which is financed by egg producers, takes a less rigid view of egg safety than the Agriculture Department and its view is worth discussing. The center prefers to divide foods, people and geographical locations into risk categories. Armed with that information, it says, people can make their own decisions.

Yes.

> ''Two tablespoons of vinegar or lemon juice in a recipe for mayonnaise using one cup of oil is high enough acidity to inhibit the growth of salmonella and kill them,'' said Cathy McCharen, vice president of the center. The same is true with Caesar salad, she said, because of the lemon juice in the dressing. But she added that she was not sure she would make mayonnaise or Caesar salad in the Northeast.

2:29 AM

As a restaurant, I might consider using pasteurised eggs.

> Both the Agriculture Department and the egg center consider using the whites less risky than using the yolks. The yolks, with their greater nutrient value, are where salmonella thrive. So, for example, Ms. McCharen classes the uncooked egg whites that go into a mousse as low-risk.

Of course.

Salmonella as a whole is very low risk.

> Ms. McCharen also said that Grade AA eggs, rather than Grade A, are ''a much better guarantee of freshness, especially if they are local.'' But she added that she is referring to eggs bought at roadside stands. To be classified Grade AA, eggs must be less than five days old when sold. The fresher the egg the less chance there is for bacteria to multiply.

But the consequences can be great for the very weak.

Ahah! I never knew the difference.

2:31 AM

Hmm I don't know about grades.

We probably don't have them.

So if you mother's health is weak, she might consider using pasteurised eggs.

Or not letting the meringue sit out of the fridge for several hours.

Hers is fine.

Because salmonella doesn't multiply under 5 °C, I believe.

Or whomever she is feeding it.

Q: how to describe she like him, but he didn't know?

I have spent a week eating quite little. A cup of coffee nearly nearly made me blow chow this morning.

What is this asking?

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A friend of mine, let's call her Lily and another guy David. Lily told me that she feels very happy each time she meet, talk, play games, dinner together (and so on..) with David(I guess she's falling love). But she is very perplexed these days, because she like him, but can't (wanna but afraid t...

literature description

I can’t understand it.

A: Can salmonella show up in a raw-egg product once it has already been made?

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There is probably still some risk, so I wouldn't assume it was safe; however, ice-cream is frozen, so I wouldn't worry about ice-cream at all, unless the egg-mixture was left at room temperature for a significant time before freezing. As far as I know, salmonella is in the faeces of the chicken,...

Still sick, huh?

No but you go a long time without food and it takes a while to get right again.

My mom couldn’t eat right for a week when she had it, nor could the girl (woman) at work I seem to have caught it from.

It is sweeping the country something fierce. Remember poor Hillary.

Hm, I do believe something fierce is an adverbial phrase there.

> In what Literary Artistic way can she describe that emotion?

Eep!

2:37 AM

@tchrist It sounds colloquial?

@tchrist Migrate to Writers?

@Cerberus Sure ’nough, pardner.

I wonder whether they would take it.

Look at the edit history.

Sure.

BRB

It’s tagged literature and description. That feels like a dubious fit for us.

I say migration.

@Kit Do you think Writers might take it?

2:44 AM

@StoneyB: I agree. I have voted to migrate (Off Topic => Writers). — Cerberus 13 secs ago

3:01 AM

@Robusto I'm sorry for the unpleasantness this morning. I wish you and yours a joyous holiday.

Same to you.

Great.

Thank you. I hope I didn't rouse you from sleep. :|

I just silvered in SWR.

I hate myself already.

:(

3:02 AM

How come people aren’t asking Yuletide questions?

Seasonally affected queries into all things wintry?

I was proud to silver in SWR.

Tanngrisnir and Tanngnjóstr

Oh, ok.

It is just I often dislike them.

Is a sled just a cart without wheels?

Is a sleigh just a carriage without wheels?

What is a chariot?

Tanngrisnir (Old Norse "teeth-barer, snarler") and Tanngnjóstr (Old Norse "teeth grinder") are the goats who pull the god Thor's chariot in Norse mythology. They are attested in the Poetic Edda, compiled in the 13th century from earlier traditional sources, and the Prose Edda, written by Snorri Sturluson in the 13th century. The Prose Edda relates that when Thor cooks the goats, their flesh provides sustenance for the god, and, after Thor resurrects them with his hammer, Mjöllnir, they are brought back to life the next day. According to the same source, Thor once stayed a night at the h...

Why isn’t that a cart?

Can goats pull sleds, like dogs can?

Horses and reindeer pull sleighs.

Goats and dogs pull sleds?

But what if the sled is pushed in stead of pulled?

Is it still a sled then, or does it suddenly become something else?

What about the rockety ones?

Rocket sled

A rocket sled is a test platform that slides along a set of rails, propelled by rockets. As its name implies, a rocket sled does not use wheels. Instead, it has sliding pads, called "slippers", which are curved around the head of the rails to prevent the sled from flying off the track. The rail cross-section profile is that of a Vignoles rail, commonly used for railroads. A rocket sled holds the land-based speed record for a vehicle, at Mach 8.5. Usage A rocket sled is reported to have been used in the closing days of World War II by the Germans to launch a winged A4b strate...

I do not understand the difference between a sled and a sleigh.

@tchrist You're dirty.

@tchrist A sled sounds more cart like, this is true.

More like a utility vehicle.

Often used to transport things.

And a sleigh is a passenger bus?

But smaller?

Doesn't Santaclaus arrive on a sleigh?

He wouldn't arrive on a sled, would he?

I like the cart–carriage analogy.

3:10 AM

@tchrist sleighs are animal-driven?

A chariot I picture as being open at the back.

If Santa’s reindeer went on strike, and he had to use his Iditarod team instead, would he then have a sled full of toys instead of a sleigh?

And probably having only two wheels.

@cornbreadninja Dogsleds.

@tchrist two-shay.

3:11 AM

A dogsled is not very...classy, is it?

And wouldn't a sled be lower?

Whereas a sleigh may have—what do you call them, bars?

Irons?

I don’t know. I don’t know any of this. That is why I am asking.

Well, I know even less.

But doesn’t a sled also need rails to run on?

Maybe...not necessarily?

I picture a sled as where you are sitting very close to the ground.

Like a bobsle...wait.

Bobsled.

3:13 AM

Bobsleigh.

A bobsled is not pull by bobcats.

Did you know that bobcats are lynxes?

Somehow I want to say bobsleigh.

Just littler ones.

Oh, cute.

So is it bobsleigh or bobsled?

In Dutch, it would be bobslee, so that hinders my intuition.

Too much interference.

I would think bobsled, because you're sitting almost at ground level.

I don't know.

Drat.

3:17 AM

@tchrist Probably not, but I can ask.

Is that a sled or a sleigh?

That looks too big to be a sled.

So I think it must be a sleigh.

What is that?

A carriage?

An open carriage?

A one-ostrich open sleigh?

The Roman used ostriches to pull chariots in the Colosseum.

But I should think a chariot would have only two wheels, not four.

That’s what happens when you forget how to fly. Isn’t that horrible?

Bring me my bow of burning gold!
Bring me my arrows of desire!
Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold!
Bring me my chariot of fire!

I wonder what pulled Blake’s chariot of fire?

I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land.

Nutter. :)

> A travois (Canadian French, from French travail, a frame for restraining horses; also obsolete travoy or travoise) is a historical frame structure that was used by indigenous peoples, notably the Plains Indians of North America, to drag loads over land. The basic construction consists of a platform or netting mounted on two long poles, lashed in the shape of an elongated isosceles triangle; the frame was dragged with the sharply pointed end forward.

> The travois was dragged by hand, sometimes fitted with a shoulder harness for more efficient dragging, or dragged by dogs or horses (after the 16th-century introduction of horses by the Spanish). A travois could either be loaded by piling goods atop the bare frame and tying them in place, or by first stretching cloth or leather over the frame to hold the load to be dragged.

That sounds like a lot of work.

But I think it is a sled.

3:36 AM

@tchrist Uhh I don't know. It's low, so a sled?

@tchrist Not a sleigh. A carriage, then, so God help me.

@tchrist Now those are chariots.

These all purport to be one-horse open sleighs.

I don’t know that I buy the first one.

Wow, look at how MAMMOTH that horse is!

What in the world do you call that? A tandem chariot?

A buggy?

Oh right. Horse and buggy means something. I wonder what.

Looks like an Amish hearse.

This is bizarre beyond all imagining:

From here.

These people sell all manner of carts, chariots, buggies, carriages, surreys (?), sleighs, stagecoaches, and phaetons (!) — amongst others.

I guess they must know the difference, but far be it from me!

And funeral caissons.

Who knew there were so many words!?

That would be a surrey. Or so they say.

This they are calling a victoria:

That, of course, is a hearse.

What do you call the kind of thing that a pod of dolphins might pull?

4:15 AM

@tchrist A hybrid.

@tchrist Sleigh, definitely. It's high.

Ehh it's too much!

And bedtime.

Peter PAD

7:57 AM

Hey everyone,

How can I listen to natural speaking?

10:09 AM

Whoa, the chariots are on fire!

@tchrist sorry, I mean the chariots are on water.

user19161

10:23 AM

@PeterPAD What do you mean by natural speaking? In general, to listen to X, go where X is. QED.

user19161

@RegDwighт I am very sad today. I was downvoted for providing complete solutions on Math because they thought I should provide hints. On other days, I was downvoted for providing hints because they thought I should provide complete solutions. Therefore, RAGEQUIT. QED.

Awwwww.

Did you tell them off?

user19161

@RegDwighт Nope, it was Maria who downvoted me... =)

I'm not following.

Who is Maria?

user19161

@RegDwighт Also, nice viscacha there.

10:35 AM

Besides, my question is, did you tell them that you RAGEQUIT.

user19161

@RegDwighт Oh never mind, you forgot I mentioned that I have found a third Maria on SE. =)

I never even cared about the first two, truth be told.

user19161

@RegDwighт Aww.

Had you said Mariah, I would have connected the dots.

user19161

@RegDwighт Well, I will get over it soon...

10:36 AM

That's not RAGEQUIT then. That's RAGEWHINE.

user19161

@RegDwighт I like the HYPERBOLE.

I like the HYPOBOWL.

user19161

@RegDwighт Now that I have been downvoted by this Maria, perhaps it is no longer a Maria!

user19161

@RegDwighт I also like the PARABLE.

@PeterPAD talk to native speakers? Visit places? Watch videos on YouTube?

user19161

10:40 AM

@RegDwighт Anyway I think I feel alright now, so I won't quit.

user19161

@RegDwighт Will hell break loose with that viscacha?

user19161

@gigili Hey there.

Gigili

Hello.

user19161

@Gigili Are you pursuing further studies?

Gigili

@JasperLoy Umm, yeah.

user19161

10:47 AM

@Gigili Good good.

user19161

@reg I have been leaving various ragequit comments on some posts here, I think you can see them even though I deleted them! =) I was a little upset by the many downvotes on questions here.

@JasperLoy it comes and goes. We also have patches when everything, including spam, gets upvoted on the spot.

People overreact. In this direction, then in that direction.

user19161

@RegDwighт Alex's truth of the day.

I think you misspelled Reg.

user19161

We have been through this before.