The DMZ

AviD

12:31 AM

@ScottPack Do you mean the pure evil, or the hatred of Jedi?

jrg

Oh my, this is an interesting debate. reads the scrollback

AviD

@jrg I'm curious if we could use the transcript as a cryptographically strong source of entropy.

jrg

Form II was definitely "more common" among the Sith, at least because we've got Dooku starring in two films, and Vader is more of a "lets swing lightsaber in the general direction of the other guy and hope it kills him".

@AviD I'd be willing to trust my emails to this transcript.

Scott Pack

@AviD I was more thinking thirst for power. Those types of people often do gyms as well. Possibly as a way to channel pent up aggression, or maybe a subconscious connection between societal power and physical strength.

AviD

@jrg I assume you're referring to Vader in the original trilogy, where the Forms were less developed.

jrg

12:35 AM

@AviD Correct.

Scott Pack

Actually no, the forms have been around for thousands of years.

AviD

regardless, even so, his style is consistent with an older, calmer version of Anakin's, which was a varient of Form V.

jrg

However, in Ep III, they kind of make it all good - at least in the book, they say that because of his imperfect implants, he can't do the smoother form V that he preferred.

Scott Pack

Master Vrook was around during the Old Republic and was a master of Form 7

AviD

which, since he was an ex-Jedi, he already had his preferred forms.

jrg

12:36 AM

@ScottPack we're talking about the stupid screenplaying being lame in the original trilogy. :P

AviD

@ScottPack ha. I did mean the cinematographic timeline, not in-universe. Of course.

Scott Pack

No, you were more.accurate before the edit.

Bedtime with a crazy person.

AviD

@jrg it's not just that, Form V is more aggressive, which is very fitting for his personality.

jrg

@AviD very true - i remember seeing in a book that Windu did not want to teach him Vaapad, because Windu was afraid that it would bring out the worst in him.

AviD

regarding Form II being common amongst the Sith, that is because they almost exclusively focused on counter-saber duels, to which Form II was very fitting. As opposed to the Jedi, who mostly trained to use their sabers against a variety of foes.

@jrg even more aggressive, yes.

supposedly Vaapad requires one to be on the very edge of the dark side, something that Windu could control but others could not.

you could actually see that nicely in ep2 and 3, where Windu is really enjoying the slaughter.

jrg

12:41 AM

I'm reading through Shatterpoint (again), where Windu goes after a apprentice who knew Vaapad, who fell to the dark.

And taught the Koruns to use Vaapad as well, with Vibroshields.

AviD

@jrg "he" == Windu?

jrg

@AviD edited, so yes.

AviD

ah, heard about that - supposedly he helped Windu develop Vaapad. Havent read it though.

jrg

It's a good read. He enjoys the fight, and is rather... frightened of that.

the book takes place about 3-4 months after Geonosis.

AviD

I havent really got in deep into the EU. I dunno, it just makes the trilogies seem so... commonplace.

I dont mind having them be the special stories, and not just a pair in dozens of identical situations.

The Skywalkers were special, dammit!

jrg

12:46 AM

Heh.

I stick with the ones where Han goes off in the Falcon and saves the galaxy.

Mainly because he always meets such... "interesting" folks.

AviD

yeah, the lack of any Han or Falcon in the prequels was a disappointment.

jrg

YOU SEE THE FALCON IN EP III.

AviD

and having Yoday just barely mentioning Chewie.... eh.

@jrg Whoa. What??

googling.

jrg

looking up the youtube clip

►

AviD

got it already :)

22 minutes in? hmm..

ehhh. laaame

jrg

12:49 AM

and then it becomes "canon" in the book Millennium Falcon, where you learn the full history of the Falcon.

it's rather... boring and anti-climatic.

but a fun read nonetheless - a dude in a coma for 60 years tries to find his ship, which has been changed a bajillion and one times into the Falcon.

AviD

and I'm sorry, but the size is all wrong.

jrg

what, it's off by 3 cm?!

AviD

compare it to the shuttle, which is just one level above, and is not much larger than a city bus. Whereas the falcon is much larger.

omygawd. I just became one of those.

jrg

Keep in mind that the shuttle is one level above - and a level for the landing decks are 10-20 stories from what I can tell.

anyway, i'm going to go crash. i enjoyed turning you to the dark side of the Star Wars trivia.

AviD

sure, but they pass very close (ish) to each other, the relative sizes are off.

jrg

12:53 AM

i don't know, it's Coruscant. the whole place is just weird. ;P

AviD

the levels cannot be 10-20 stories. the level where the shuttle lands (again, city bus size) is a garage compared to the shuttle. maaaaybe airplane hanger.

so 5 stories is a bit over.

jrg

Bottom level is - thats where they have the larger ships like the Falcon land.

AviD

hmm. but the Falcon is not a much taller ship, its wider.

Scott Pack

1:12 AM

Bedtime at 8:45? Adorable. Not much different than my pre-schooler.

The Falcon isn't really that big either. Certainly smaller than Serenity, no?

AviD

@ScottPack hmm, thats an interesting comparison.

the Falcon is not very tall, but it is wide. lot of smuggling storage.

Scott Pack

But if I recall only a few rooms really.

The smuggling space is built into the super structure of the ship.

So added in some supporting struts and partitions between the support members of the interior Hull.

Jeff Ferland

1:32 AM

Firefly vs. Star Wars now?

@jrg So was the Post-Firely "comicbook" explanation of Shepard Book. I rejected it.

AviD

@ScottPack well, compare the relative size of the cockpit (about the size of a car) to the rest of the ship.

Scott Pack

@AviD Scale within Star Wars is something that makes no freaking sense to us.

AviD

@JeffFerland I dont think its a fair comparison. Firefly is not a scifi, nor a fantasy (as some say SW is). It's a cowboy/pirates show, that just happens to take place in space.

Scott Pack

@JeffF Naw, I was just using the ship as a comparison point.

AviD

@ScottPack is this back to the whole 12 parsecs thing?

Scott Pack

1:39 AM

Heh, no. I try not to talk about that.

Jeff Ferland

Hey, any of you ever use a projector instead of a TV?

AviD

so what else is your issue with scale?

Jarjar's ears?

Scott Pack

I did recently read that an early version of the script had ObiWan and Luke react with condesention to the claim

As if they new Han was boasting without knowing what he was talking about.

@JeffF I have, but Bran Stoker's Dracula was recently on rental when I did so.

Jeff Ferland

@ScottPack Huh?

Scott Pack

@Jefff I set up a projector as a 96" TV back in the mid-late 90s.

AviD

1:47 AM

@ScottPack you're using an unneeded F

jafafaaaa

Scott Pack

@Avid I'm attempting to deambiguitize it.

Jeff Ferland

Hmm. Tempted to get a projector instead of a TV

Scott Pack

I really considered it. Installed on a track so I could dynamically change the screen size.

Contrast and brightness are the biggest problems.

Right now, I am sitting in a well lit room with an LCD TV that looks beautiful.

Projectors tend to require more darkness.

I have seen ones that are bright enough, but certainly not the standard unit.

Jeff Ferland

Yeah, definitely not the standard units... thinking of going 720p / 1080p... which is not on the cheaper side of projectors.

I suppose I'll just have to try it out.

Scott Pack

We have a 1080 unit at the office. I'm ....not impressed.

Pixelated something fierce and not bright enough.

Jeff Ferland

2:02 AM

@ScottPack Is it really 1080? I've seen some dirty lying marketers advertising their units as 1080 because they accept a 1080 input, but put out something much smaller.

Scott Pack

It certainly seems to be, but I can't be absolutely sure. I don't know how to check really.

Gentlemen. @AviD. Good night.

AviD

9:08 AM

@ScottPack I see what you did there.

@ScottPack don't know dunham?

Polynomial

10:56 AM

This is the last thing you want to find in your email inbox on a Monday morning...

I'm scared.

OT or TL, take your pick: security.stackexchange.com/questions/23327/…

Stack Exchange

It'd be great if some news network started featuring partisan hack talking heads who were all Federalists and Jacksonians, just to see how long it took us to catch on.

Luc

11:19 AM

Why do people keep referencing RFC numbers... By now I've seen enough references to RFC1918 that I know it's about private ipv4 address space, but I had to lookup an answer mentioning RFC2616 (turned out to be HTTP/1.1)... Can't we just refer to things like this as "private address space" and "http 1.1", etc.?

It's the same on superuser and serverfault and such btw

Terry Chia

@Luc Because it makes them feel learned and knowledgeable. ;)

Common courtesy to at least hyperlink to the more obscure RFC's imo.

Polynomial

I'd write the real term, then put the RFC in brackets with a link.

Luc

I still think it's about as useful as referring to google as 74.125.132.100

Polynomial

e.g. "breaks HTTP/1.1 (RFC2616)"

that way you get both.

Luc

@Polynomial Oh that would be a good solution

though you might as well put the link on http/1.1

Terry Chia

11:29 AM

@Luc Now wait a minute. You don't know at first glance that that IP refers to google? Shame on you!

Luc

@TerryChia I do actually, but you don't know 83.161.210.237

Polynomial

I've edited that answer anyway

Luc

@Polynomial Thanks, though it wasn't so much about the answer as the rfc thing in general

Polynomial

yeah, just figured it'd be worth fixing

Terry Chia

@Luc If you feel strongly enough about it, you could start a meta topic.

Luc

11:31 AM

@TerryChia Hm nah, it's done everywhere and nobody seems to care

Polynomial

@Luc I'd certainly give an upvote to such a meta post

by the way, if you all want to be scared, scroll up.

past the xkcd

Terry Chia

@Polynomial saw it ;)

AviD

12:02 PM

@Luc we care.

Luc

@AviD @Polynomial Ok, seems it would be worth it to start a meta post about it then :)

AviD

@Polynomial in some cases - like HTTP1.1 - I would even say the actual RFC number is irrelevant, and linking to it is besides the point. Unless you're talking about something specific in the rfc, who gives a damn?

AviD

12:15 PM

@StackExchange that is going to take some time to work through.

Rory Alsop

@AviD Is it bad that that graphic means nothing - literally nothing - to me? The captions don't help. I'm guessing there is a whole heap of terminology I'd need to understand before even starting to analyse it.

@Polynomial did it just arrive in an email by itself?

AviD

@RoryAlsop no, why should it?

but I'm assuming @Randall will give full explanations there.

It looks like its one of his educational posts, rather than humourous.

Rory Alsop

@AviD yeah - that was why I was having a problem. US politics is unfeasibly opaque to me

AviD

@RoryAlsop as it is to the great majority of American voters.

Rory Alsop

hahaha

AviD

12:26 PM

I havent read the whole thing yet, but I think the two main things you need to know - 1. Congress is made up of the Senate and House of Representatives (much like the House of Lords and House of Commons).

2. US politics has almost always been a (mostly) two party system, though the two parties have changed a few times.

It seems that is all that is required to know to understand it...

dont forget to read the key on the right....

Polynomial

@RoryAlsop There were about 60 pictures of men with moustaches in it. That one was near the top.

jrg

@JeffFerland I haven't seen Firefly, so I can't talk about that one.

Luc

12:42 PM

Who actually manages the site code-wise? I mean, the guys from SE obviously, but are any of them active on the security.SE (meta) site? Do they read meta, or does a moderator need to notify them of any requests like adding an easter egg?

Rory Alsop

@Polynomial that's scarier :-) Guessing this is Movember-connected?

Polynomial

@RoryAlsop Yeah.

Rory Alsop

@Luc We have notified SE folks through the Mods-only chatroom and various other avenues. We know it isn't high on the priority list :-)

Luc

@RoryAlsop Okay, so it's nobody regularly visiting the site or chat

Rory Alsop

@Luc oh, they do visit the site, meta and chat reasonably regularly. SE folks also carry out some mod tasks

AviD

12:59 PM

@RoryAlsop @Luc the SE gus also have a cross-meta-site filter, for any bug reports or feature requests.

Scott Pack

@jrg That's because you're a terrible person.

jrg

@ScottPack What can I say, my education is... lacking in some areas.

Rory Alsop

I was delighted to have such a huge transcript of in-depth Star Wars geek knowledge this morning - as I got delayed for a while getting into town :-)

It did make me realise just how un-geeky I am in the real world (despite being more than a tad geeky in my local circle of friends)

Luc

@AviD That's pretty smart actually, sort of an automatic to-do list :p

AviD

@Luc yknow you can do the same, over at stackexchange.com :)

@RoryAlsop I'm actually a lot less geeky than all that.

Polynomial

1:04 PM

@ScottPack I'm a terrible person too, then :P

AviD

I actually studied the light saber forms, more out of interest in the comparisons to relreal-world martial arts. There are many.

Scott Pack

@Polynomial And you also haven't watched Firefly.

Polynomial

@ScottPack Git :P

Scott Pack

@Polynomial Mercurial!

Polynomial

@ScottPack Subversion!

Scott Pack

1:05 PM

rcs!

Polynomial

Vault!

Scott Pack

Ew

Rory Alsop

@AviD hahahaha - I hadn't realised there were light saber forms until this morning

Polynomial

hey, I could have said Team Foundation

Rory Alsop

@Polynomial that's what I was going to say

Although at work I call it TeamFortress

Scott Pack

1:06 PM

@AviD You're studied it much more than me. Every now and then I'll go look something up on wookiepedia and come up for air after an hour.

Truth be told, cvs was the first system I used, with a very fast shift to svn.

Luc

@AviD I see, neat! Hmm, 14.5k feature requests... Not sure how many are resolved, but damn that are a lot of requests

Polynomial

@ScottPack Wookiepedia? Pretty sure that's illegal in most countries...

;)

Scott Pack

@Polynomial Only the lame ones.

jrg

@Luc search for status-completed, and that will tell you how many are resolved.

Polynomial

@RoryAlsop We call Vault the "Ikea Cupboard", because it more accurately represents the build quality.

Scott Pack

1:09 PM

@Polynomial Snap.

Rory Alsop

@Polynomial I did have more success with maven/Clearcase

but both environments can work

Polynomial

it's always fun when we get a new developer, and someone says "chuck it in the Ikea cupboard"

AviD

@RoryAlsop starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightsaber_combat. Scroll down to the "Seven Forms of the Jedi Order" section.

Luc

@jrg Doesn't seem possible to do negative filters, on stackexchange.com/filters anyway

Polynomial

the look of confusion and horror as they try to work out what kind of backwards-ass source control we're running is epic

AviD

1:10 PM

any geek / martial artist will find it fascinating.

jrg

@Luc i think i had a filter for my meta, let me check...

Rory Alsop

@AviD Sadly I am finding it interesting - must wait until after work!

Luc

@jrg There is data.stackexchange.com, but that's per site iirc

Polynomial

@AviD That was a very interesting read.

Scott Pack

@Luc It's also dumped quarterly at this point.

jrg

1:13 PM

@Luc nope, don't have the filter.

AviD

@Polynomial you read fast!

jrg

maybe i tried and gave up... :\

Polynomial

@AviD Indeed.

Luc

@jrg Lol okay, thanks for checking

Polynomial

I recognised all but V and VII

I assume that VII wasn't really showcased in the movies

AviD

1:14 PM

@Polynomial Mace Windu is an example. He really does fight different from the others.

Polynomial

I'd guess that V was used in Episode I, when they had to fight those rolling droids with the shield (I forget the name)

but I don't explicitly remember it.

jrg

Ah, droidekas.

AviD

I get the feeling that the forms were "developed" based on the movies, and not the other way around. Though in the prequels, they did base it on existing martial arts.

Polynomial

@AviD Yeah. Some of the forms are explicitly mentioned in canon books / comics, but they're all post-movie.

Scott Pack

1:39 PM

So these guys were at our Halloween block party.

Iszi

@ScottPack Haha. "Block" party. You funny.

Scott Pack

Believe it or not, I hadn't considered that at the time. The event is properly called a block party.

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack reminds me of a certain Judge Dredd!

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop Que?

AviD

@jrg this is the ultimate proof that you are NOT sheldon.

jrg

1:56 PM

@AviD There we go.

AviD

Thus, it must be false.

bwahahaha

Rory Alsop

Iszi

Y'know, I wonder who schedules events like Election Day - "The Tuesday after the first Monday of November". What kind of convoluted recurrence is that? Definitely not something you can set on your calendar yourself (though most calendar software probably includes it).

Kinda like ARRL Field Day: "The last full weekend in June."

jrg

it's to prevent it from being on the first of the month.

Iszi

@jrg Not quite exactly, according to Wiki...

Election Day (United States)

}} (Details) |date=}} (Details) |date=}} (Details) |celebrations = Exercising civic duties, voting for elected officials, visiting polling precincts |observances = |relatedto = Super Tuesday }} Election Day in the United States is the day set by law for the general elections of public officials. It occurs on the Tuesday after the first Monday in November. The earliest possible date is November 2 and the latest possible date is November 8. The next election will be held on . For federal offices (President, Vice President, and United States Congress), Election Day occurs only in e...

> The bill initially set the national day for choosing presidential electors on "the first Tuesday in November," in years divisible by four (1848, 1852, etc.). But it was pointed out that in some years the period between the first Tuesday in November and the first Wednesday in December (when the electors met in their state capitals to vote) would be more than 34 days, in violation of the existing Electoral College law.

jrg

2:10 PM

interesting.

Iszi

All Greek men aged 21-40 have been called up to the Army; they're now departing to join fight against invading Italians http://t.co/yGW6cHYi

Tweeted by RealTimeWWII on October 29, 2012 at 1:36 PM

^Prompts an interesting thought: Is there any condition under which the U.S.A. would conscript all able-bodied men, as opposed to using the current draft lottery system?

AviD

@Iszi history repeats itself, eh? 2500 years later.

Scott Pack

@jrg @Iszi Yeah, it was all a backwards counting measure to give the most days possible for the Electoral College to get results, travel to the voting place, and figure out if anything had happened to convince them to vote different than their constituents.

Iszi

@ScottPack The last part of that sadly still being possible today.

Scott Pack

Again, something that wasn't that unreasonable when it would take weeks for a piece of information to make it across state lines, but is absolutely stupid when it takes less than a second for a piece of information to go anywhere on earth.

jrg

2:34 PM

Bye-bye sheldon cooper. I think.

Terry Chia

Have you guys seen this one? :)

AviD

this book looks great - the excerpt is hysterical:

amazon.com/First-World-Problems-Reasons-Terrorists/dp/…

jrg

heh

added to wishlist.

Scott Pack

2:49 PM

@TerryChia One of the things I really like about LaTeX is that it is simply beautiful without any effort.

Terry Chia

@ScottPack true dat.

Scott Pack

That and being able to say, "Those edits are no problem. Here let me recompile the document."

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack I remember creating presentations in Latex because there was no other way to do it :-)

Scott Pack

I know people who still do.

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop That sounds painful.

Iszi

2:54 PM

Trivial question: Is there a "proper" way to position a paper clip? Small part front, or back? Open end of the hook left, or right?

Rory Alsop

@TerryChia they were pretty, and it never did anything unpredictable like blimming Powerpoint does!

@Iszi I usually put the loopy bits one in front of and one behind the pages I wish to join

:-)

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop Of course not, the output is a pdf!

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop I use keynote. ;)

Rory Alsop

@TerryChia that works too. At home now I use open office/calibre and it is predictable

Scott Pack

I still use PP because I never wanted to put the effort into learning the LaTeX presentation style and it's everywhere.

Terry Chia

2:57 PM

@RoryAlsop Has openoffice grown to be a decent replacement for Microsoft Office? It sucked the last time i tried.

Scott Pack

The good thing about those two formats is that you almost never have to worry about being able to open either a ppt or a pdf.

Iszi

@ScottPack Less worry about the latter.

Terry Chia

@ScottPack You have a Macbook right? You prefer powerpoint over keynote?

Rory Alsop

@TerryChia it is soooooooo much easier to use. 90% of my annoyances with MS Office are from its inconsistencies, and weird format changing when carrying out normal activities like "copy this paragraph to there"

Scott Pack

@TerryChia I don't own Keynote and we have a site license for Office.

Terry Chia

3:00 PM

@ScottPack I see.

@RoryAlsop You are the first person I know to prefer openoffice over MS Office. The openoffice interface was clunky the last time i tried using it.

AviD

@Iszi Face down in the dirt behind the office, hands tied behind it's back, brains spread over the floor. We are talking about Clippy, right??

2

Rory Alsop

@TerryChia I have been using it for nearly a year now

@AviD hahahahaha

Scott Pack

OpenOffice or LibreOffice?

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack Well it is Open Office still, I think, as the LibreOffice servers seem to be permanently down

Iszi

Heh. Page source for ismycomputeron.com '<html><body bgcolor="FFFFFF"><center><font type="ariel" size="4">YES</font></center></body></html>`

Rory Alsop

3:03 PM

I think that is an Oracle feature

@Iszi wonderful

@Iszi Reminds me of hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com

AviD

@Iszi the WTF in that, is that they are using <center>

Rory Alsop

@AviD I know - how dare they use the US spelling in a worldwide standard?

AviD

@RoryAlsop lol, not what I meant...

Terry Chia

@AviD hehe

Thomas Pornin

@TerryChia It is quite easy to do presentation with LaTeX, when using the beamer style.

Rory Alsop

3:05 PM

@AviD I think I have used <center> quite a bit in the TKD website what I wrote: tkdbroxburn.co.uk

am I wrong on teh interwebs?

I did write it in Notepad, so that's okay, right?

Iszi

@RoryAlsop Check out the source for that. Amusing commentary at the end.

AviD

how recently?

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop <center> is so beginner-ish.

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop Shows how up I am on the product. :)

Thomas Pornin

When the presentation includes mathematical formulas, the choice is between learning the beamer LaTeX style, or learning how to use the Office equation editor. Most sane people I know prefer the former.

Scott Pack

3:06 PM

@ThomasPornin Truth.

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop I do my HTML and PHP work on Notepad++.

AviD

@TerryChia @RoryAlsop not just beginnerish, its been deprecated.

HTML is for structure. CSS is for presentation.

Terry Chia

Well, that is when i'm coding on my host machine. I have been coding more on a linux VM using vim though.

Rory Alsop

@AviD I know. I need to learn proper CSS and all that stuff, but my html learning stopped around 1993

AviD

at least thats what the yokels over at Programmers keep telling me.

Rory Alsop

3:07 PM

maybe 94

Thomas Pornin

@TerryChia OpenOffice / LibreOffice works reasonably well (for a software which uses the typewriter paradigm), but you still run into trouble with police sizes when transferring documents between PowerPoint and OpenOffice (either way).

However, I also got problem when using MS Office for Mac and then opening the document with MS Office for Windows.

Terry Chia

@AviD No point doing that for a 1 word website though. ;)

Iszi

@ThomasPornin What do you mean, about that "typewriter paradigm"?

Thomas Pornin

Which is why, when I prepare a presentation, it is PDF only. PDF rendering is much more predictable.

@Iszi I press a key, the corresponding letter appears on the screen, the cursor shifts to the right.

Iszi

@ThomasPornin As opposed to...

AviD

3:09 PM

but pdf is static! you cant do flybys, blinking words, and flashing stars in pdf!

Rory Alsop

@AviD Prezi FTW!

Iszi

@AviD Oh, where's that one website we were looking at the other day...?

AviD

Prezi is very cool.

Thomas Pornin

@AviD Actually you can; you can even do that with beamer (plus another package I don't remember the name of).

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop I have yet to see a Prezi presentation that made me want to open my eyes or convinced me that there was actual content.

AviD

3:10 PM

but if everybody uses it, it gets old fast.

Iszi

@AviD wonder-tonic.com/geocitiesizer <-- I bet that's how all your presentations look.

Terry Chia

@Iszi telepathy?

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack I actually use it for mindmapping - I like the swoosh :-)

Thomas Pornin

@Iszi As opposed to the pharaonic paradigm: I, Pharaoh, order my slaves to build the document, and I leave the details to underlings. This is what programming is about, after all.

Iszi

@ThomasPornin No, it's about emacs and butterflies.

Real programmers set the universal constants at the start such that the universe evolves to contain the disk with the data they want.

Scott Pack

3:14 PM

Well, at least that one wasn't from The Bridge.

AviD

@Iszi I use this as a guideline:

►

Stack Exchange

Blog - Stack Exchange: SE Podcast #35 – A Biscuit Away from Jerry Stiller

Alex Miller on October 29, 2012

Welcome to Stack Exchange podcast #35 with special guest Scott Hanselman. We also have your loyal cohosts, Jay Hanlon and David Fullerton. And Joel Spolsky?

What exactly would Scott say that he does here?

Scott Hanselman runs a podcast that doesn’t waste your time… unlike we have for the first nine minutes.

Let’s talk about Scott’s recent presentation at Webstock! Or we’ll talk about how Scott is not a developer evangelist, despite popular belief. He is a community manager for ASP.net, IIS, anything angle bracket or curly brace related, anything “webby”. …

Terry Chia

4:25 PM

2

A: Keyboard sniffing through audio recorded typing patterns

A relatively trivial google search turns up 12,900,000 results, including the following : Wikipedia A presentation at blackhat Continuous identity verification through keyboard biometrics

This... really isn't an answer.

Rory Alsop

@TerryChia agreed

and fixed

Polynomial

@RoryAlsop Actually, I was going to comment on it to get him to not do it in future.

It may well be that he doesn't know why that's a bad thing.

so deletion probably isn't the best thing

Rory Alsop

@Polynomial didn't delete, but changed to a comment

Polynomial

ah

Rory Alsop

my usual practice is drop a quick comment on to tell them it isn't answer quality, then change to comment, which also drops my comment off so it only gets seen by the individual

Polynomial

4:31 PM

added a comment on the question

Terry Chia

theverge.com/2012/10/29/3569540/…

Looks pretty sweet.

Polynomial

I'm actually really looking forward to some reviews of the Surface

and by reviews I mean non-sponsored reviews, after customers have had some time to play with them

Terry Chia

@Polynomial arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/10/…

Pretty balanced reviews.

Iszi

@Polynomial Hrm. "The Surface" suddenly sounds like some sci-fi/horror flick that an underwater civilization might make.

Terry Chia

The hardware looks gorgeous though.

Rory Alsop

4:38 PM

@TerryChia 'etched layered glass' - shiny!

Terry Chia

The Nexus 7 with 3G is amazing. Surprised google only charged another $50 over the wifi model for 3G capabilities.

Rory Alsop

sadly no 4G, so it's off my list. Galaxy SIII it is

jrg

I must have missed something, the Nexus 7 now has 3G?

Terry Chia

@jrg theverge.com/2012/10/29/3568614/…

jrg

really google, really?

Terry Chia

4:40 PM

Gonna pick up the 32GB 3G model if/when it becomes available here.

jrg

I spent $250 for a 16GB model just over a month ago, and now you have a 32GB available for the same price? You suck.

Rory Alsop

@TerryChia do you get them before or after UK/Europe?

Terry Chia

@jrg Ouch, there were rumors floating around for over a month already.

@RoryAlsop Singapore just got the 16GB model a few months back.. so long long after.

Incredibly overpriced as well.

jrg

@TerryChia I ordered mine about a week before the rumors surfaced, but I didn't think much of it.

Terry Chia

That sucks real bad.

jrg

4:42 PM

anyway, i'm happy with my device, unhappy with the extra $50 i spent. oh well.

Terry Chia

Hopefully Google does a compensation program like Apple did with the ipad.

Scott Pack

@jrg A few months ago when the iPad Mini rumors broke out I put my desire to purchase a Nexus 7 on hold. Looks like it wasn't a terrible idea after all.

jrg

(I wouldn't have gotten the 32GB anyway, I don't need the extra space)

@ScottPack I'm moving away from the Apple ecosystem. And since this week was also the week where they came out with the Ubuntu for Nexus 7 installer, I'm perfectly OK with getting a Nexus instead of a an iPad. :P

Scott Pack

@jrg Oh, don't get me wrong. I have no interest in getting an iPad of any size.

jrg

@ScottPack oh? I had you pegged as a "Gimme something that just works with an ssh client" type of guy.

Scott Pack

4:45 PM

But knowing the Mini would be coming out with a lower price tag I expected it to change the Nexus line somehow.

Terry Chia

Well, off to bed for me. ;)

Have a good day everyone.

Scott Pack

Sweet dreams kiddo.

Rory Alsop

@TerryChia night

Scott Pack

@jrg It depends. I don't have the time to tinker like I used to, but I also want a device to be mine, not theirs.

jrg

meh. i don't care that much. I'd care if I bought $2-3K USD in hard drives, and then our supplier put them on sale a week later... :P

@ScottPack Gotcha.

Scott Pack

4:49 PM

For the gaming table the iPad probably would be a better device honestly. I haven't seen an Android pdf reader as good as GoodReader, the Pathfinder PRD app is still better than the similar one for Android (though it's catching up quick), and HeroLab is about to come out with an iPad version that will act as a character reader. That will be cool since you'll be able to do things like tick a checkbox to enable spell effects and the like.

But the devices cost more and you're restricted to using them the way Apple wants you to. I'm annoyed with the Kindle Fire for the same reason.

Just last night Katie asked about installing the GMail app on it. I had to tell her, "Well, I can't. Not without making it overly cumbersome to use some of the Amazon stuff that you use."

Granted, that's as much Google's fault as it is Amazons. The GMail app shouldn't need to run a whole google services framework as a pre-req. But it is still Amazon doing their best to give you an Amazon device, not a Google device.

jrg

The GMail app uses the play framework for single signon, right?

Scott Pack

Yuppers

I think Maps, and maybe Reader, are the only core Google apps you can install without the framework.

jrg

nope, reader needs it

Scott Pack

assholes

Hm. I should probably go back to work.

jrg

no, just trying to provide a consistent platform, and being very silly about it. :P