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2:01 PM
we call them jam doughnuts
@MattЭллен I like that guy.
@tchrist custard = ..arghh...something
@KitFox he didn't try to steal your lumberjacks
Some of those I do not recognize.
2:02 PM
boston cream? if there's chocolate on it, but if powdered
@Mitch Berliner.
I thought that was jam filled.
@Mitch Boston cream is only if it is plain with chocolate glaze and custard filling. Like the cake.
@Mitch It can be either.
I had bismarcks and crullers. I don’t know what these are: paczki, fastnacht, friedcake, maple bar.
right. but what if no chocolate but instead white powdered sugar and cream filling. I know somewhere that's called something but what about in the US.
2:04 PM
@Mitch Well, I would call it a bismarck. Others would call it a custard-filled or cream-filled doughnut.
In Canada, to my knowledge, we do not use the word "bismarck" or "berliner" to refer to donuts.
just cream-filled? so transparent. lacking in imagination. with bismarck or berliner I think of something, people running through a barbed wire no-man's land of mines and sharp shooter. an adeventure in every cream filled bite.
How you can fill a doughnut I will never understand.
But bismarcks are not doughnuts at all!
@MattЭллен Mmm yeah did you like it?
2:05 PM
Doughnuts by definition are toroidal.
science takes care of crazy weird stuff like that.
They gots holes in them.
Not one of his finest, if you ask me.
@tchrist By YOUR definition
@Cerberus yeah. it made me chuckle :)
2:05 PM
You are just annoying.
@MattЭллен OK good.
cream filled ones are not toroidal but oblate spheroids
You can’t even talk right, so it doesn’t matter.
very oblate.
> a small cake of sweetened or, sometimes, unsweetened dough fried in deep fat, typically shaped like a ring or, when prepared with a filling, a ball.
By definition.
2:06 PM
Oh God, are doughnuts deep fried??
I didn't know this.
No, those are don’tnuts.
By -your- definition, you definition-monger.
@Mitch That's a dictionary definition.
2:06 PM
But they're not crispy, are they?
@Mitch And I don't sell them, they're free.
> A small spongy cake made of dough (usually sweetened and spiced), and fried or boiled in lard. Freq. made in the shape of a thick ring.
> 2. a. colloq. or slang. Applied to various objects with a shape resembling the toroidal shape of a doughnut, as a motor-car or aeroplane tyre or a ring-shaped float (see quots.). In Math., a torus.
@KitFox exactly. relying on tenuous authority for your so-called 'facts' and 'information' and 'knowledge'.
@Cerberus You also didn't know that schnitzel is deep-fried
> b. Nuclear Engin. A toroidal vacuum chamber placed between the magnet poles of a betatron or synchrotron, in which electrons or protons are accelerated; applied also to similarly shaped vessels in other devices (see quot. 1958).
2:07 PM
@Mitch I know, I know. Classic rookie mistake.
> 3. Comb., as doughnut-shaped adj.
> 1962 Sci. Survey VII. 108 ― The effect··may be produced by toroidal (or doughnut-shaped) magnetic fields encircling the sun.
@KitFox for a second I thought you were talking about donuts. that's not nice leading us along like that.
toroidal and doughnuts go together.
non-toroidal and don’tnuts go together.
2:08 PM
@Mitch I ain't a whore and I ain't no donut-monger!
@KitFox donut tease.
@MετάEd Oh my jesus, I must try that.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Didn't I show you schnitzels are not exactly deep fried, just fried with lots of fat? I've never eaten doughnuts by the way.
A churro, sometimes referred to as a Spanish doughnut, is a fried-dough pastry—predominantly choux—based snack. Churros are popular in Spain, France, the Philippines, Portugal, Latin America (including Spanish-speaking Caribbean islands) and the United States. There are two types of churros in Spain, one which is thin (and sometimes knotted) and the other which is long and thick (porra). They are both normally eaten for breakfast dipped in hot chocolate or café con leche. History History is divided on how exactly churros came to exist. One theory is they were brought to Europe by the Po...
@Cerberus that's like saying you've never had nutella. or never having had water. or breathed.
2:10 PM
@Cerberus Have you ever had a pancake?
Crèpes à la Americaine.
@Cerberus No. But I stand by the assertion that every single restaurant I visited in Austria, and every recipie I've read on the internet, explicitly says "deep fried" or else mentions so much oil that the distinction is irrelevant. The recipe I followed at home says "swimming/floating" in oil.
@Cerberus no they're not crispy. seems weird though when they truly are deep fried, floating in a boiling vat of oil.
@Mitch They are just not often eaten here, they are still seen as exotic.
@KitFox Is the dough similar to pancake dough??
@Cerberus really? what about beignet?
2:12 PM
Wait, I have also never eaten American pancakes, which are said to be very thick, right?
@Cerberus It can be
@Cerberus Kind of a cross between a pancake and a cupcake.
Like a fried cupcake.
(actually some donuts -can- be crispy at least on the very outside).
dig in
2:12 PM
@Cerberus Yeah, I meant pancake, not crepe.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 If the top of the schnitzel is not covered by fat in the pan, it's not the same as deep-frying.
> Churros are typically fried until they become crunchy, and may be sprinkled with sugar. The surface of a churro is ridged due to having been piped from a churrera, a syringe with a star-shaped nozzle. Churros are generally prisms in shape, and may be straight, curled or spirally twisted.
> Like pretzels, churros are often sold by street vendors, who will often fry them freshly on the street stand and sell them hot. In Spain and much of Latin America, churros are available in cafes for breakfast, although they may be eaten throughout the day as a snack. Specialized churrerías can be found in the form of a shop or a trailer during the holiday period.
the batter is the same though right? just the thickness that's different.
@Mitch We do have apple beignets...but they are not spongy at all!
2:13 PM
@Cerberus Well, you turn it over once and it's equivalently cooked as if it were completely submerged.
@KitFox Right, I see.
> They are both normally eaten for breakfast dipped in hot chocolate or café con leche.
@Cerberus that's the idea I think. are they soft in the middle at least?
Funnel cake or funny cake is a regional food popular in North America at carnivals, fairs, sporting events, and seaside resorts. Funnel cakes are made by pouring batter into hot cooking oil in a circular pattern and deep frying the overlapping mass until golden-brown. When made at concession stands, a pitcher with an integral funnel spout is employed. Funnel cakes are typically served plain with powdered sugar, or with jam, cinnamon, Nutella, fresh fruit, or other toppings. In the book I'm Just Here for the Food, Alton Brown recommends they be baked with choux pastry, which expands from...
@KitFox Here, all pancakes are fairly thin, say 5 mm (crêpes are supposedly thinner).
2:14 PM
Mmm, doughboys.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Still not the same thing.
@Mitch Nope!
A pancake is a thin, flat, round cake prepared from a batter, and cooked on a hot griddle or frying pan. Most pancakes are quick breads, which use a quick leavening agent such as baking powder, while some use a yeast-raised or fermented batter. Typically, pancakes are cooked one side on a griddle and flipped partway through to cook the other side. Depending on the region, pancakes may be served at any time of day, with a variety of toppings or fillings including jam, chocolate chips, fruit, syrup or meat. Archaeological evidence suggests that varieties of pancakes are probably the ear...
@Mitch They are really not at all like doughnuts.
2:14 PM
I thought you didn't have or know about donus?
They are like puff pastry, but with apple inside.
Beignets are not like donuts.
And lots of cinnamon and sugar on the outside.
They are tasty though.
2:15 PM
"funny cake"?
Beignet (pronounced in English, in French; French, literally ""), synonymous with the English “fritter”, is the French term for a pastry made from deep-fried choux paste. Beignets are commonly known in the U.S. as a dessert served with powdered sugar on top; however, they may be savory dishes as well and may contain meat, vegetables, or fruits. They are traditionally prepared right before consumption to be eaten fresh and hot. Variations of fried dough can be found across cuisines internationally; however, the origin of the term beignet is specifically French. In the U.S., beignets ha...
That's weird.
@KitFox sure they are...like funny donuts.
pain perdu
2:15 PM
@Mitch I have seen them. I just didn't know there were deep fried.
@Mitch I was just going to say they are like fritters.
Those are fritters.
@skullpatrol Oliebollen!!!
We always eat oliebollen and apple beignets at New Year's Eve.
2:16 PM
So you don't consider beignets to be in the donut family?
Oliebollen are deep fried.
@Mitch Donut "family"?
@KitFox Anne Boleyn or Anabolen?
2:17 PM
@Cerberus Ambiguously in between.
I want beignet for lunch now.
yeah, family. berliner, bismarck, krispy keme, donut holes...
surrenders to the doughnut urges
hah...a beignet is exactly a donut hole.
You bastards. Now I must fetch me some.
2:17 PM
@tchrist mission accomplished. our work is done.
@Mitch Nuh-uh.
Who cut the Berliner?
@KitFox yeah-huh.
@RegDwighт The Americans and the Soviets.
They are fritters, not doughnuts!
2:18 PM
@tchrist Okay, so it is deep-fried choux dough...I guess that explains why it looked like puff pastry to me: it comes in layers and it is very fatty.
@KitFox but but but...donuts are kinds of fritters.
A doughnut or donut ( or ) (see spelling differences) is a type of fried dough confectionery or Dessert food. Doughnuts are popular in many countries and prepared in various forms as a sweet snack that can be homemade or purchased in bakeries, supermarkets, food stalls, and franchised specialty outlets. They are usually deep-fried from a flour dough, and shaped in rings or flattened spheres that sometimes contain fillings. Other types of batters can also be used, and various toppings and flavorings are used for different types. The two most common types are the toroidal ring doughnut...
See? Different dough and everything!
@Mitch Fritters are a kind of donut!
see fried dough!
2:19 PM
A traditional cruller (or twister) is a fried pastry often made from a rectangle of dough, with a cut made in the middle that allows it to be pulled over and through itself producing twists in the sides of the donut. Crullers have been described as resembling "a small, braided torpedo". Crullers may be topped with plain powdered sugar; powdered sugar mixed with cinnamon; or icing. However, a "French cruller" is a fluted, ring-shaped doughnut made from choux pastry with a light airy texture. History and Origin The name comes from early 19th century Dutch kruller, from krullen "to curl". ...
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 yeh.. see!
@tchrist So anyway, beignets are not spongy at all, right? At least they aren't here. Choux dough isn't spongy.
I'd love a donut but this is all I've got this morning.
2:19 PM
Pig in a blanket.
Pigs in blankets.
I haven't had that since grade school.
I'm hungry.
2:20 PM
Maybe I'll have a hot dog for lunch.
hush puppies are prepared like donuts but are made from corn meal and are not sweet. but otherwise cooked just like beignet. they are not considered donuts but are more like donuts than either are like pancakes.
It's taco salad day though. Hard choice.
I'm going to have a smoked-meat sandwich with sauerkraut.
@tchrist I find that image disturbing for some reason.
2:22 PM
Me too
@tchrist Oh, God.
That image is wrong on so many levels.
hot dog sushi? see, some foods should not be together.
No, indeed.
2:22 PM
OK. Point taken.
But lemon-filled doughnuts are delicious.
And the verticality in the first picture doesn't help either.
Nipponese Tubesteak Delight
@Cerberus verticality=erecticality
@KitFox I'll allow that there is room for taste. For example I'll allow that some people like liver and bacon.
What's wrong with liver and bacon?!?
2:24 PM
@Mitch wait, liver and bacon together? or liver, and/or bacon? because there isn't much that isn't improved by adding bacon
@tchrist is that spam?
I'll also allow that in my crazed illumination to the true religion that it would be taboo food.
@Mitch I can't follow you here. Which what now?
Well, I hate that green stuff they wrap the sushi in, but I admit that fried spam on rice looks tasty.
Spam being not as bad as it's made out to be.
2:26 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 together. yes, everything is improved by bacon (I'll allow that for argument's sake), but better than wrtechedly abysmal leaves a lot of room for acceptability.
FMTEYEWTK about hot-dog sushi.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I was thinking the same thing.
@KitFox liver and bacon would be taboo. ok just liver.
@Mitch Organ meats? Which religion?
2:28 PM
@skullpatrol nods
the one true ...what's that word... 'received' religion? the one that you get when you have an epileptic fit or a stroke or are out in the desert too long. then you come back and tell everybody the rules that are thinly veiled personal preferences, but everybody -has- to follow them?
Fum two yuck.
-that- religion.
But, um, so how is bacon OK then?
2:29 PM
Oh...I kinda like it.
it's the liver part. shivers
@KitFox It's Mitch's religion. He can decide what's okay.
Oh! You mean, your religion. Now I understand.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It's not -my- decision. it's the voices. if you can't hear them you got problems.
@tchrist Funny, repeating the acronym didn't help me understand it better :)
@KitFox oh ho! not mine. it's the -right- one.
2:30 PM
Look it up, kid.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 you can't put caps on caps.
linky linky
@tchrist Oh, You linkified it
La panceta, tocino o tocineta es un producto cárnico o con rodetas que comprende la piel y las capas que se encuentran bajo la piel del cerdo o puerco. Está compuesta de la piel, tocino (grasa) entreverado de carne (de ahí que también se lo denomine «tocino entreverado» o «tocino de veta»). Suele elaborarse ahumado y consumirse salado, teniendo un gran valor energético (aproximadamente 9 calorías por cada gramo). Es también conocido como bacon (/beicon/) que es una voz inglesa usada en España. En Hispanoamérica, se usan las palabras tocineta y tocino en México, según el tipo. En Argent...
Sorry the hyperlink colour in this chatroom is too hard for me to distinguish from black given my vision and this monitor.
2:32 PM
Spanish beicon is actually what Americans call Canadian bacon, which isn’t bacon but ham.
@tchrist We call it Canadian Bacon too. But mainly we call it back-bacon.
El Sandwich mixto con huevo es un emparedado (generalmente de uno o dos pisos) elaborado sobre tostadas de pan blanco que pueden tener beicon tostado, alguna loncha de queso y lechuga, atún en vinagre (o en aceite) en algo de mahonesa y está "coronado" con un huevo frito. La gracia de este sandwich está en la especie de ventanilla circular que se hace en la tostada superior y que permite dejar ver la yema del huevo frito a través de él. Preparación Este sándwich no tiene una receta fija, y dependerá en gran medida del cocinero, de la región, de los gustos de los consumidores, etc. el ú...
“beicon tostado” would have lomo on it, or back-bacon as you call it.
A bacon-and-egg sandwish, as it were.
Q: What does the “a'” in "a'blowing" signify?

user25049Quotation from A History of the Cries of London: Ancient and Modern Oh, dearly do I love "Old Cries," Your "Lilies all a'blowing!" Your blossoms blue, still wet with dew, "Sweet Violets all a'growing!"

This is not a breakfast meal, but an all-day one.
Q: The times they are a-changin'

Jaime SotoI have always been intrigued by the word usage in the title of this Bob Dylan song. Wikipedia mentions that the song was influenced by Irish and Scottish ballads: Dylan recalled writing the song as a deliberate attempt to create an anthem of change for the moment. In 1985, he told Cameron Cro...

2:36 PM
Hard to search for. Well done.
@tchrist Reg just searches in his open tabs. He has every question ever asked opened.
Also every chat message.
And then he complains that firefox crashes.
@RegDwighт But the tag is wrong.
@MετάEd You're evil
@MετάEd Oh that's why it looked so wrong before.
2:38 PM
> 1. OE. a-, originally ar- (rarely preserved, as in ar-æfnan), OHG. ar-, ir- ur- (mod. G. er-), Goth. us- ur-, implying motion onward or away from a position, hence away, on, up, out, and thus with verbs of motion adding intensity; as in a-bide, a-go, a-rise, a-wake, and many obs. verbs; after the analogy of which it was subsequently prefixed to other vbs., not found with it in OE., as a-curse.
Weird. I have this user I have no record of ever creating.
Sorry, was busy commenting on shit.
Now, where was I.
@tchrist that wasn't a rhetorical question, actually. "Times are a-changin" has a verb. "Lilies a'blowing" does not.
So I'm wondering if it's the exact same construction.
@Alenanno: Why is this a problem? We do this on English.SE all the time, it is considered common courtesy to well-meaning questions. I have to strongly disagree with you here. Besides, I feel that we should be generally free to say what we want in comments. — Cerberus 1 min ago
About giving the OP of a closed question some hint towards an answer.
@RegDwighт Would you say that lilies blowing has a verb, or people singing?
@tchrist I'm saying look at the top comment, that's what I'm saying.
try putting an 'are' in place of the a, and then say it fast. — Jim 27 mins ago
I actually had it closed already, but then reopened again because of this.
2:46 PM
I’m still prowling the OED. There are millions of a and a- entries, each with billions of senses. I can’t find the right one yet.
@Cerberus I don't think it's generally "considered common courtesy" to answer off-topic questions. In fact, we've been actively fighting just that forever.
@Cerberus I read that and everything is right for all the wrong reasons.
masquerades as an NNS
@RegDwighт Uhh...don't you often post dictionary.com links in comments?
Don't we all?
@Cerberus that's not a hint at an answer.
That is completely different.
That's when we close something as gen-ref.
2:47 PM
@tchrist Why is it wrong?
Ok, it’s a prep, maybe.
Then we must provide a link. Because otherwise it's not gen-ref.
@RegDwighт Why not? Blowing is a verb to me. Not a finite verb, of course, but still.
@RegDwighт Why is it different?
@Cerberus it's not off-topic because it is about lojban (it's about actual languages instead, just that lojban is the thing to compare with). it is off topic because it is crazy. what does 'imply decimal' mean? That is incoherent.
@Cerberus because look at the answer to the Bob Dylan question.
2:48 PM
@Cerberus You’re the one insists that gerund be used only for vbl.sb. not ppl.adj.
A: The times they are a-changin'

Jon PurdyThe "a-" prefix is a poetic construction that's a holdover from Middle English "y-", which is derived from Old English "ge-", a prefix attached to present and past participles. The usage is still current in German, but in English it's now used almost exclusively in poetry—normally music lyr...

@Mitch I may agree with you there, but I lacked the energy to bring it up.
Yeah, I saw that, but I don’t know if I buy it.
Are you saying that in "Your lilies a'blowing" the "a'blowing" is a past participle with no auxiliary verb?
a-doing /əˈduːɪŋ/, adv. and pred. a., prop. phr. Now arch.
Etymology: f. a prep.1 + doing vbl. sb.; often construed as quasi-pr. pple.
Being done; in the process of happening.
2:49 PM
@Cerberus I'm sorry I don't understand the question.
General reference is one close reason. Off-topic is another.
blowing is a present participle there, no?
The difference between them is that they are different.
@RegDwighт Oh, right, it was from ge-, I see.
@tchrist I trust you with figuring it out.
A. 1907 F. Thompson St. Ignatius Loyola (1909) 281 ― While these things were adoing in the eyes of the world.
1954 M. Oliver Failing Wine ii. vi. 158 ― Mary was perfectly aware of what was a-doing.
2:50 PM
@tchrist I don't know what "sb" is, but I agree with the ge- reasoning.
substantive, dear.
@tchrist see, all with auxiliary verbs. Or main verbs, actually.
Now get me an example that reads "These things adoing" and "Mary was aware of what adoing".
@tchrist They call it a preposition? So no ge-?
That is another one.
> 6. ME. a- for i-, y-:-ȝe-, as in a(f)-ford, along = owing to, and in southern pa. pples. as a-done, etc. See a particle above.
@RegDwighт I think the decimal question could be considered GR (because I would expect people to know how numeral systems are represented in language, it speaks for itself). But anyway, why would you treat GR questions differently?
2:52 PM
Barrie is on it.
A: What does the “a'” in "a'blowing" signify?

Barrie EnglandEntries in the OED suggest that in both words the a- prefix is derived ultimately from the preposition on, which is used, as in your examples, before the -ing forms of verbs to give the sense of ‘engaged in’. The OED has, for example, this citation from 1883: Now let us run out and look at t...

@tchrist Ah OK.
There is an a- that comes from ge-, y-.
So what's is gong to be—hot dogs or taco salad for lunch?
I can't decide.
@Cerberus can you tell me what "general reference" means?
Never mind, I'm faster.
> This question is too basic; it can be definitively and permanently answered by a single link to a standard internet reference source designed specifically to find that type of information.
That is the definition.
@tchrist Okay, so it seems it doesn't come from ge- after all, right? If it comes from on (which would make more sense to me), it would be gerundish.
@RegDwighт Well, okay.
2:55 PM
@JAM I have more to add to english.stackexchange.com/questions/84744/… but it won't be for a few hours.
Well, never mind.
Gen-ref is in the eye of the beholder. So a link settles all disputes before they even happen.
It is also supposed to teach the OP to fish.
Because most people have never heard of etymonline, or Wiktionary for that matter.
@RegDwighт or Google
I found it. I hadn’t scanned down the page far enough.
Barrie is right.
Plus we actually are in the position to provide that link. As opposed to off-topic questions, for which part of the reason they are off-topic is that we don't have the slightest idea what you're asking so while we can tell you to please go elsewhere, we can't tell you where.
2:58 PM
> a /ə/, prep.1

Also o.

Etymology: A worn-down proclitic form of OE. preposition an, on. In compounds and common phrases this became a even in OE., as abútan, a timan. The separate an was labialized to on, which form also (in West Saxon) absorbed the prep. in, and so had the meanings on, in; unto, into, to. In 11th c., on began to be reduced before consonants to o, which from its tonelessness soon sank to a /ə/. Before a vowel an was occasionally used; when emphatic on remained. The separate a is now rarely used, being replaced by the full on, in, or the various prepositions which represe
13. Action; with a verbal sb. taken actively.
a. with be: engaged in. arch. or dial.
b. with verb of motion: to, into; to go a fishing, come a wooing, fall a laughing, crying, fighting, to set the bells a ringing, to send children a begging. Archit. or dial. save in a few phrases, as to go a begging (mostly of offices); and with set, as to set the clock a going, the bells a ringing, folk a thinking, where also a is often omitted.
@RegDwighт That is not true at all.
@Cerberus it is.
We often have a very good idea of what the OP is after with an OT question.
Is not!
1621 Burton Anat. Mel. (1651) iii. 4. i. 3. 667 ― ··he would burst out a laughing.
1692 Bentley B.L. 61 ― Watches must be wound up to set them a going.
1715 Burnet Hist. own Time II. 207 (1766) ― As soon as he was taken he fell a crying.
1788 Th. Jefferson Writings II. 373 (1859) ― We were able to set the loan a going again.
Mod. ― Such positions rarely go a begging.

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