V'dibarta Bam

1:37 AM

@AdamMosheh Yeah, I misspoke. The other 10 spies died immediately, not in due time in the midbar like the rest of the generation. So, like with Korach, the negative influence was removed from the community. Are you saying they should have continued to live in their tribes but just be blocked at the gate, so to speak? How is that a good thing?

Double AA

2:34 AM

@jake Also Bereshit 17:2,6,20 and Shemot 1:7

and Yechezkel 9:9 and 16:13

Adam Mosheh

3:23 AM

@MonicaCellio Because they deserved it...

jake

4:01 AM

@DoubleAA Thanks. I'm thinking a possibility might be that מאד מאד means more so and more so. IOW, we something is me'od me'od X if it becomes increasingly more X. So, for example, והמים גברו מאד מאד על-הארץ means that it rained increasingly harder and harder. Similar to the way that we would translate "מעט מעט" as "little by little". It seems to fit for a lot of the instances in Tanach, but we'll have to be a bit creative for some of them. What do you think? Plausible?

@MonicaCellio, ping. See above.

HodofHod

@AdamMosheh Why can't tefillin (et al) be English words? English is a language (entirely?) made up of words from other languages. It's true that they are actually Hebrew, but that doesn't mean you can't use them in English. Furthermore, the reason they are employed, rather than their English equivalents, is probably because they are much more common in Jewish conversation.

Double AA

@jake You mean like high acceleration vs high velocity? Interesting. I'll have to look back through the examples again. BTW In terms of the מעט מעט I only see it twice in Tanach: Shemot 23:30 and Devarim 7:22

HodofHod

4:23 AM

Also, Sabbath, as well as other English words, certainly are used. judaism.stackexchange.com/search?q=sabbath

jake

4:35 AM

@DoubleAA, When you refer to @ه ه as @Vram, does the other vram get pinged, or does the capitalization prevent that?

Double AA

@jake Oy I didn't even think of that! I doubt capitalization matters.

@JAKE test

@JaKe test

@jAKE test

jake

@DoubleAA Got all of those

Double AA

@jake figgers

ه ه

@jake it def doesn't tag me

jake

@DOUBLEAA, YOU?

Double AA

4:37 AM

@jake Yep.

ه ه

(although FTR @ه ه doesn't tag me either)

(and neither does @هه)

Double AA

@هه @Vram really? that's jillarious! (german for hillarious)

jake

@هه That's why I used it just now. I figured I wouldn't bother you for no reason.

@هه Really? Does anything ping you?

@DoubleAA Now the other vram is all confused.

ه ه

@jake using the reply arrow on chat. and sometimes if a comment is after mine, regardless of the tag.

Double AA

@jake Ya I should let him know. I originally thought of other things to use but then forgot about it because I figured new-vram wouldn't stick around.

ه ه

4:40 AM

@jake perhaps the other vram should pick a less confusing name

jake

@هه That's annoying. You should really change your name again.

Double AA

@هه @Vram that's really annoying. So you just have to constantly check every thread to see if anyone commented to you?

ه ه

@DoubleAA my eighth sense tingles when someone aims a comment at me.

@jake Really? I'm getting the impression that people are upset that I change my name so much, I'd hate to do it again

Adam Mosheh

@HodofHod - Okay, so then why can't Yahadut also be an English word?

ه ه

@AdamMosheh oed.com

jake

4:43 AM

@هه I think people are more upset that you have an annoying name to respond to.

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Adam Mosheh

@HodofHod - Yes, but they don't count because often it says "shabbos (sabbath)" as if to say that shabbos isn't considered English or something.

ه ه

@DoubleAA May I downvote again, only for this rollback?

Double AA

@هه @Vram I think it was petty for him to pick a fight over it, but I don't think it's downvote-worthy.

Adam Mosheh

@هه - Not a word according to en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Yahadut

@DoubleAA @AA I wasn't intending to pick a fight...

ه ه

52 secs ago, by Adam Mosheh

@هه - Not a word according to http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Yahadut

Adam Mosheh

4:47 AM

Shouldn't DoubleAA really be AAAA?

@هه What, did you just define it or something?

@هه Does it help my argument if it becomes an English word? Because I can define it.

ه ه

@AdamMosheh yes

Adam Mosheh

@هه Okay then, I will work on a definition. By the way, do they speak English in Nairobi? Or they only speak Persian there?

ه ه

@AdamMosheh English and Afrikaans. It was never a colony of the Persian empire.

Adam Mosheh

@هه Aren't you Vram?

@هه The Persian empire did not endure into the colonial era , did they? Cf.

ه ه

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@AdamMosheh Just in a different part of the world.

Double AA

4:56 AM

@Vram I don't know how you change your gravatar so often but please do so again, as you look remarkably like IdentityTheft-HodofHod.

ه ه

@DoubleAA it depends on which computer I log in from- its not up to me.

Adam Mosheh

@DoubleAA Maybe it's identity theft dave and his friends playing tricks on everyone. Remember when Vram tried to convince me that he was msh210?

ه ه

@AdamMosheh remember when you believed me and publicly asserted it here in chat??

2

Adam Mosheh

@هه Lol

jake

@هه Good times. :)

ه ه

5:02 AM

@AdamMosheh I have already denied association, although perhaps the other party will tell you otherwise. — ه ه 2 hours ago

Mar 12 at 5:14, by Adam Mosheh

here is my theory: Vram and msh210 are really the same person

Adam Mosheh

Still no definition yet for Yahadut? - http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Yahadut
Come on guys, let's make this an English word!

@Sathya - Welcome to Yahadut.SE!

jokerdino

5:17 AM

hmm why?

Adam Mosheh

@jokerdino - Welcome to V'dibarta Bam chat room!

jokerdino

What?

brb.

Adam Mosheh

:4957145 meta.judaism.stackexchange.com/q/1197/1059

Sathya

@AdamMosheh hey, thanks!

Adam Mosheh

Is tefillin an English word? And Yahadut isn't?

jokerdino

5:36 AM

@هه I missed that message. :/

vram

@هه nope, sorry we're not

jake

@vram Hi. I hope this is not too confusing for you. :)

vram

not at all, i knew what i was getting into when i picked the name ;)

jake

@vram Fair enough. דמים על ראשך.

vram

and to answer an earlier questions I don't believe i get pinged with a capital @Vram, and certainly not if i'm not on the thread

jake

5:47 AM

@Vram, what about now?

vram

nopesky

Double AA

148

Q: How do comment @replies work?

How do I respond to a specific user when entering my comment? Will they be notified? Related: How do I view my recent replies? Return to the FAQ index

implies that comment pinging is case insensitive

jake

@dOuBlEAa, weird.

@DoubleAA IsaacMoses told me once that you can't @ someone who has not posted anywhere in that question/answer, so maybe that's why vram is not getting pinged by you all the time.

Sathya

6:04 AM

@jake that's not correct..

msh210

7:35 AM

@Sathya ? I think it is. You can't @ddress someone in a comment unless he's posted/edited that post or commented on it.

Sathya

@msh210 an @comment to anyone will be delivered, regardless of whether or not he's participated, provided you tag him ( like @msh210)

msh210

@Sathya Okay. Somewhere on the SE network, I just posted a comment with "@Sathya". Where?

Sathya

@msh210 I hope I have an account there?

msh210

@Sathya You do, with that username.

@AdamMosheh Wiktionary requires that a word actually be used as English (in published works usually). I'm not seeing that for this (except italicized, which marks it as foreign so those citations don't count). Sorry.

@Sathya, have you found it?

Sathya

@msh210 'fraid not, guess you were right :)

msh210

7:46 AM

@Sathya Good to know. It's here FYI; and now I can delete it.

Sathya

@msh210 please do

msh210

@Sathya Good afternoon (or whatever it is in Bangalore). Time for bed for me.

Sathya

@msh210 afternoon it is; Good Night & sleep well!

msh210

@Sathya Thanks.

HodofHod

11:09 AM

@AdamMosheh It could, if it ever became widespread.

HodofHod

12:45 PM

Of interest:

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Q: Add non-Latin character set support for tags

The introduction of multiple language-specific sites to the SE network has brought to light the shortcoming of the current tag system: lack of support for non-English characters. Non-English characters are either silently dropped or converted to the nearest English equivalent. I propose that the ...

feature-request status-planned tags internationalisation

Double AA

2:18 PM

@HodofHod Definitely of interest, but I don't know that that's really what we want. It will make it harder for many to follow what's going on and to choose tags appropriately. It seems more appropriate for language sites where there is an assumed knowledge of the topic language.

HodofHod

@DoubleAA Agreed.

My 100th answer!

3

A: Why in judaism - when discussing the Torah - do I see a lot of answers referring to writings of different Rabbis?

Tradition. tl;dr: You need the Rabbis' commentaries to understand the Torah correctly. The Torah is a book that cannot be understood (and was not meant to be) unless you also have the oral teachings that came with it when it was given. These teachings were passed down verbally, until the t...

Monica Cellio

4

A: Confirmation in non-Reform Judaism

Without knowing what this ceremony is I would say that orthodox Judaism is averse to instituting any type of ceremony unless there is a valid, orthodox source that can be seen as a precedence (usually the older the better). If for no other reason than to adopt one ceremony would open the floodgat...

^^^ I can provide an eye-witness description of what this is. Would that help? If so, where should I do it?

HodofHod

2:33 PM

looking

I don't know, actually. :( sorry

kotekzot

2:59 PM

Hey guys, you might like this feature request to add non-English character support for tags meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/135929/…

Double AA

2 hours ago, by HodofHod

Of interest:

kotekzot

@DoubleAA right, sorry.

Double AA

@kotekzot Hey no problem :) Welcome to our chatroom btw

@MonicaCellio IMO (and with the permission of @AdamMosheh) it would be best if edited into the question.

Monica Cellio

4:01 PM

@AdamMosheh They deserved to die, whcih they did. How do you get that they deserved to merely be excluded from Eretz Yisrael but otherwise to carry on as they had been?

57 mins ago, by Double AA

@MonicaCellio IMO (and with the permission of @AdamMosheh) it would be best if edited into the question.

@AdamMosheh ^^^

Double AA

@HodofHod I'm only seeing 99. Are you counting a deleted one (which you can see as a mod?) judaism.stackexchange.com/users/883/hodofhod?tab=answers

@Jin Welcome back!

HodofHod

@DoubleAA Oh, whoops! (No, I can see the deleted one, since I'm me.)

Jin

@DoubleAA hello! how did the launch party go?

Double AA

@HodofHod I beg to differ. For instance, I can't see judaism.stackexchange.com/a/12543/759 in my answer list.

@Jin I unfortunately couldn't make it, but I listened to the recording and found it enjoyable.

Adam Mosheh

@msh210 When I start publishing English seforim, I will be-davka not italicize the soon-to-be English word Yahadut.

34 secs ago, by Adam Mosheh

@msh210 When I start publishing English seforim, I will be-davka not italicize the soon-to-be English word Yahadut.

HodofHod

4:18 PM

@Jin Have you seen this?

10

Q: "All comments" mod tool tabs too far right

So us mods have a cool new tool. Neat. But where are these neat tabs I've heard so much about? Oh. They're eight miles to the right of the page: This is what it looks like if your monitor is wide enough: Or if you have two monitors and stretch the window really wide The tabs are borked a...

bug moderator-tools

Monica Cellio

@Jin the party was great! Thanks for your help in promoting it. I don't know how many radio listeners we had (is that data available?), but I saw up to 18 people concurrently in chat.

Jin

@HodofHod yes. investigating..

@MonicaCellio I just saw Issac's show notes: meta.judaism.stackexchange.com/a/1162/417

40 people listened in

HodofHod

@Jin Incidentally, it's also true on the post specific comments page.

Jin

hm yeah i can repro. i guess that's one of the "obscure" pages I wasn't aware of..

i see a huge table

breaking the width of the site container..

HodofHod

yep

Mine is showing at 3000px when it should be 1500, or there-abouts

Adam Mosheh

4:58 PM

@DoubleAA Go for it, Ms. Cellio! By the way, are you familiar with this book?

@MonicaCellio Actually, they did get to enter the land when they went on their expedition. Why didn't I think of that? I had assumed that saying lashon ha-ra against the land would exclude them from the land, but not necessarily anything else. Does that even make sense?

Jin

@HodofHod I'm fixing that page with a dev as we speak. hopefully will roll out the changes with tonight's production build.

Adam Mosheh

51

Hebrew Language & Usage

Proposed Q&A site for students, teachers and linguists wanting to discuss the finer points of the Hebrew language.

Currently in definition.

Only needs 9 more followers and 33 more sample questions...

Jin

5:18 PM

@AdamMosheh I'll have fun designing that site one day, if it goes live and graduates :)

Adam Mosheh

@Jin Cool!

HodofHod

I'd be interested in seeing how it would look compared to our site

Adam Mosheh

@HodofHod - Me too.

HodofHod

5:41 PM

@AdamMosheh Ask a question or two!

Adam Mosheh

@HodofHod - B'li neder

Adam Mosheh

6:01 PM

@HodofHod Did you use all of your upvotes yet?

HodofHod

6:15 PM

@AdamMosheh Months ago, unfortunately.

Adam Mosheh

6:32 PM

@HodofHod - I just used mine... good for you!

Alex

6:56 PM

@HodofHod You know how Ramban said during his disputation that "woe to the world if this is how it looks after Moshiach has come"? I'd say, by the same token, that woe to the world of Moshiach's times if I'm one of its top 71 Torah scholars.

HodofHod

@Alex There's (hopefully not, but there might be) still time to become one...

msh210

@DoubleAA There are always synonyms.

@DoubleAA @MonicaCellio or without @AdamMosheh's permission, really.

@AdamMosheh Make sure you do italicize the other transliterated words, then, as if you don't italicize any of them then Wiktionary will just assume you don't italicize transliterations and won't count your transliterations as English anyway. :-)

@Alex :-)

Double AA

2 hours ago, by Adam Mosheh

@DoubleAA Go for it, Ms. Cellio! By the way, are you familiar with this book?

msh210

7:22 PM

@DoubleAA Yeah, I posted mine while backreading, before seeing that. Anyway, my opinion holds for other similar cases even if irrelevant to this one.

Stack Exchange

-1

Q: No more twitter?

If this site operates in accordance with halacha, then why don't we listen to the Asifah rabbis who are saying on behalf of Klal Yisrael that Twitter is assur? And the entire Internet as well?

discussion halacha twitter

Monica Cellio

7:39 PM

@msh210 done.

@AdamMosheh don't know that book, no. (BTW, I didn't do confirmation and I don't have kids, so it's never had that personal connection for me.)

Double AA

8:39 PM

@msh210 Why was this deleted?

judaism.stackexchange.com/q/17072/759

msh210

8:54 PM

@DoubleAA Can you see who posted that question?

Double AA

9:17 PM

@msh210 He deleted his own account after 20 minutes? I don't see any reason why we would delete him.

msh210

@DoubleAA Nor do I. I imagine he did it himself. And since this was a negative-score post of his at the time of the deletion, it got deleted, too.

Double AA

@msh210 When you delete your account non-negative posts stay, and negative ones get deleted?

msh210

@DoubleAA Right.

34

A: What can cause a post to be deleted, and what does that actually mean?

How can a post be deleted? You can typically delete your own posts at will; for exceptions, see "When can't I delete my own post?" below. Moderators can delete any post. Users with reputation >= 10k (more precisely, the “moderator tools” privilege; 2k on beta sites) can vote to delete questions...

HodofHod

3

msh210

9:36 PM

@HodofHod Hm.

HodofHod

10:10 PM

-6

Q: No more twitter?

If this site operates in accordance with halacha, then why don't we listen to the Asifah rabbis who are saying on behalf of Klal Yisrael that Twitter is assur? And the entire Internet as well?

discussion halacha twitter

Re

It's very simple! Any Jew that wants to still use the internet, has to sell their tayvos to a non-Jew!

2

Double AA

10:27 PM

@HodofHod Easter egg from @Jin I bet.

msh210

@DoubleAA Sure. Though the metaphor strikes me as odd. :-)

jake

11:20 PM

@هه, New computer you logged in from today, I see.