You are the highest rep user on the site ... by quite a bit. ... To some degree, that's going to suck because, like the mods, people are going to look to you as an example.
If the top rep user on a site is doing X, everyone is going to assume that doing X is AOK...
You (and you admit it) like things the way you want them. I understand that sense of authorship. I do not like people poking at my posts, either... but I have to remind myself every time to step back, pretend I didn't write it, and decide whether the edit improves the post or not.
Most of the time I end up leaving it.
Your posts are also very closely-held for you. They are tied, viscerally, to who you are and it is easy to take any editing of those posts as a change to you...
I have no clue whether he's targeting you. I doubt it. If he is, I think it's because he feels like you want to do what's good for this site but you need some help with how to direct it.
I feel like half the time I talk with him he actually likes me and half the time he thinks I'm useless.
I guess the unchallengable authority thing just rubs me raw. Like when a mod takes a dump in the community pool we take it to the CMs when THE cm does it, there's nothing to do, but wait till the tantrum passes.
But I try to take that as a learning experience... rather than getting defensive and yelling at him, I listen. I think about what he's saying... and, if after a while (an hour, day whatever), I've usually figured out what I think about it. Most of the time, I end up deciding he was right and try to adopt that into my own playbook... but sometimes I disagree... and occasionally, I can act on that.
@apaul That... is a bit of bullshit. Magisch said that in chat but it doesn't make that actually the case.
If you have a problem with his edit because you feel like it affected your question in a way you don't like... take his edit as a springboard and improve it... but don't roll it back. Incorporate it.
He wants the site to get better. He's trying to guide us as much as he can, considering how little time he has for us alone. In that sense, what he does can come off brusquely... there are only 11 CMs right now... they're scrambling because they're ~3-4 people down.
And there's no future likelihood that that will change until the company is earning more.
I don't care much about the edit, it's the lingering "controversial" shit, and how that seems to be bleeding over into other things. Like I'd like to try for some sort of cease fire, but it seems like he's made up his mind and his opinion about me, and put his foot down.
I... I'm ugh... I think you have a tendency to migrate an argument around so that you can keep making points... and this is something that can get somewhat frustrating... For example, the post notice... you wanted the wording to change and then you started saying that you wanted to prevent the comments at all... and when I said that wasn't going to happen with a post notice, regardless of what it read... you said that wasn't what you were expecting... or something like that.
@Catija I guess I was trying to say that first people deal with all the harassment, then a mod steps in removes the troublesome comments and answers, and then slaps a troublesome notice on the question that ultimately does little to solve the problem... The least that could be done is to adjust the wording of the notice so that it isn't troublesome.
I know I'm a pain in the ass to argue with, but usually I'm doing it for a reason...
@apaul Sure. But arguing that the notice isn't going to prevent people from posting doesn't really further your cause. When you start pulling out reasoning that is irrelevant, the argument seems pointless.
Also, when he said that you'd hashed this out earlier in the week... he was talking about the fact that the post notice is really there to remind the good users not to engage the bad ones.
People who want to bitch about gay people or vegans ... they're going to do it regardless of what we do to prevent it.
IPS is really annoying sometimes... Like some days it feels incredibly rewarding to help someone, other days I just want to rage quit from all the nonsense... It's a hard site to not take personally.
I'm trying though. Hopefully as things get more established there will be fewer things to argue about.
Betas are like this usually but IPS is so much new territory, it's more work. We really need to focus on Meta for a while. Want to help with that? Getting the help pages figured out, custom close reasons, etc.
@apaul it might give you a chance to see where your thoughts about the site differ from others'. You know how you want to use the site and I'm guessing you probably don't think everyone wants the same... but we need differing opinions to decide what we want. You just have to be willing to accept that what you want may not be in the best interest of the site in the end.
Meta has no reputation penalty because we want people to be unafraid to make those thoughts known.
But you have to be willing to at least accept when what you want isn't what the site decides.
@apaul I want well-explained questions/answers proposing specific recommendations for how the site should be managed that cite examples of good and bad cases.
I don't care what the argument is for. If we don't have voices, we may miss good solutions.
And, yes, the Mods and CMs may occasionally have to step in and make an edict. Some user's have odd opinions on never closing questions that simply aren't going to fly.
@apaul arguing in the classical sense.
Structured debate with well-supported points. No personal attacks or tangential shit.
Just sayin... Regardless how badly I may have approached the post notice issue, you know I had a valid point. There wasn't really a good reason to put a foot down in that case apart from not liking the approach...
