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Q: Was there a reason Victor Hugo choses 24601as the number for Jean Valjean?

Matrim Cauthon24601 has developed into being an iconic part of both the Les Miserables book and musical. Was that number special to him, or was it simply a random number he choose (I doubt it)

 
1:17 AM
@Randal'Thor Depends on how you view it. I earned it for 4 weeks' worth of posted answers. But I didn't actually get it awarded till 6 months after that, because I was missing like 3 or 4 out of 200 answers and didn't post anything new on the site for months
@Randal'Thor bows respectfully
 
 
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6:09 AM
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Q: Is Frou-Frou's death a foreshadowing of Anna's in Anna Karenina?

MirteThe only thing Vronsky loves more than Anna is Frou-Frou his horse. In the race he rides her to hard, her back breaks and she falls. He kicks her in a rage trying to get her up and then shoots her when he realises she can't. At the same time Anna breaks down and loses all sense of propriety. La...

 
 
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8:08 AM
@b_jonas or, perhaps, @Hamlet? :P
@Shokhet me either...
@b_jonas I have a couple. Not sure if that counts, though, because I watched one episode and read 60 EU books.
 
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Q: Story ID: Mystery books, title is an alliteration and involves gemstones

XynarizI remember, when I was in middle school, reading a series of mystery books. The titles were of the format 'X and Y', where X was a type of gemstone, and X and Y began with the same letter. As far as more specific details, I'm afraid I don't remember much. I know that there were at least 4 book...

 
8:28 AM
chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/35067284#35067284 -- identified: it's Georgia Byng, Molly Moon's Incredible Book of Hypnotism from 2002
 
@b_jonas congrats!
 
And the Hungarian translation is not published by Animus, which is why I didn't find it at first.
 
Fun fact: we've recently had our 666th question
667 now :(
 
Translated in 2002, which is later than I thought ... though that may have made it easier to find on the internet.
Well, more like it having been written in 2002 which made it easier to find on the internet
Adding it to my book todo list.
 
Slowpoke caching saves the day!
 
8:34 AM
@Gallifreyan :D
 
Also, I'll have to visit this library called "Országos Idegennyelvű Könyvtár" ( oik.hu ), which is a library of foreign language books. I've somehow never been to it, despite that it's in a really convenient place and open every weekday. It has several books I can't get elsewhere, or can't easily get elsewhere, and probably more books I don't even know about.
It has Gaiman's American Gods (though not available now), and has books by this detective author Margery Allingham that some of you recommended in chat and who was apparently never translated to Hungarian.
 
I've tried to add some basic guidance to the tag wiki. I think we may as well have our own tips instead of posting random comments and sometimes directing people to relevant SFF meta post.
 
8:52 AM
@Gallifreyan Oh! You want to strengthen the disguise so newbies don't realize so early that SFF and Lit are two faces of the same community? Good thinking.
Maybe make a meta post too about hints for story-id.
And then copy the hints from SFF meta to there.
 
9:05 AM
@b_jonas deletes as plagiarism
 
9:23 AM
@b_jonas They're ... really not.
 
9:38 AM
 
@Randal'Thor *claps*
 
Isn't it great when you ask someone to edit and improve a question and they actually do make it much better?
 
> If this goes ahead, you'll want to create a chatroom and then ping a mod who's familiar with this meta post - if you just raise a custom mod flag, you'll probably get a mod who knows nothing about this and it'll get declined. You can probably ping me, rand al'thor, or any of the Puzzling mods.
Just wanted to check that you're fine with that, @Rand.
 
9:54 AM
@Mithrandir Sure, of course. (And good question!)
Although I'm capitalised in chat :-)
 
Yeah, why not have it the same everywhere?
I believe your stated reason is outdated.
 
@Mithrandir I'll probably capitalise myself on Puzzling when I reach 50k. And then everywhere else by extension, since at that point I'll be capitalised on all the sites I'm really deeply involved in.
 
in The Sphinx's Lair, Sep 11 '16 at 17:44, by Rand al'Thor
@Mithrandir Mainly because I wanted it to stay the same here, so that I'd still be recognisable even while I wasn't active here.
 
@Mithrandir What stated reason?
Oh yes.
I should accept a couple of answers ...
 
10:14 AM
@Mithrandir Did you start it yet? :-)
Who created which tag? <----- interesting Data.SE query.
 
@Randal'Thor Nope, haven't had time... I'm kinda busy, actually. Multitasking...
 
 
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11:46 AM
@Shokhet I keep mixing up your avatar with this guy when I see them small >.<
 
I sometimes get Shokhet and Standback mixed up.
 
They're both Jewish and their names start with 'S' so...
 
12:29 PM
Secretly Shokhet, Standback and Niitaku are all sockpuppets of mine, so none of that is technically wrong and everything's OK here.
 
1:19 PM
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Q: What did the Roll which the Shining Ones delivered to Christian represent?

anonymous2I've been reading The Pilgrim's Progress - an allegory for the Christian life written by John Bunyan while in prison for his religious beliefs. This passage follows directly after Christian's encounter with the cross: Then was Christian glad and lightsome, and said, with a merry heart, "He h...

 
1:41 PM
@Randal'Thor Is that one that actually works?
 
@NapoleonWilson Seems to. Though it might crash for larger sites - it loads a list of info for all tags on a given site, including single-use ones.
 
I have made bad experiences in trying to use such queries for determining if you actually get a badge for it.
(Oh, apparently I was just able to solve that old mystery with moderator abilities.)
 
2:10 PM
@Mithrandir you now have the same amount of rep on puzzling and literature O_o
 
Nice one, @Mithrandir! Quick, get a screenshot!
 
4151, your new lucky number :P
 
Ah, cool!
Mobile though.
 
thats your mobile version!!!!!?????
 
2:16 PM
@Randal'Thor thanks :D
 
This is my mobile version:
 
@BeastlyGerbil I really don't like the mobile view.
 
^ Here's the whole thing, showing his Sci Fi account too
 
Drat I can't even upload a picture my version is so bad!!!!
 
@b_jonas :D
 
2:20 PM
here's my mobile:
 
@BeastlyGerbil that the app?
 
@Mithrandir that is a bad mobile version, your's is incredible compared to mine
@Mithrandir yeah
 
@BeastlyGerbil I'm using the full site on the browser...
 
you can do that?
 
Yep.
Some of the mod tools don't work, though :(
 
2:23 PM
well I don't need to worry bout that ;)
Uh, this whole time I have been suffering with that awful app, and I could have had something nearly as good as the actual site...
 
:P
It is the actual site.
 
well yes, but on a small screen
 
I really should finish my Clues...
 
is that why you asked about the chat room thing on meta?
Get someone else to help out
 
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Q: About the [allegory] and [symbolism] tags

Rand al'ThorI just noticed that we have an allegory tag (2 questions) as well as the symbolism tag (75 questions). Do we need both of these tags, and if so, what's the difference between them and how do we make this clear? (Since the allegory tag is hardly used at all, I could have simply edited it out and ...

 
2:26 PM
One of the reasons.
 
@Librarian Wow, that was quick.
 
@Mithrandir do you have a sort of final puzzle already made?
 
@BeastlyGerbil Erm... I have a sort of idea. Does that count? O_o
 
Good enough :P
Do you have a final answer then?
 
@Randal'Thor people read your first big header, upvoted, read through, and downvoted (the answer). O_o
@BeastlyGerbil Yeah, mostly.
 
2:30 PM
well as long as you have that you'll be fine
 
...
And Lit takes the lead!
 
> An allegory is a story with (count 'em) two levels of meaning. First, there's the surface of the story. You know, the characters and plot and all that obvious stuff. Then there's the symbolic level, or the deeper meaning that all the jazz on the surface represents.

The symbolic meaning of an allegory can be political or religious, historical or philosophical. Allegories are kind of like massive metaphors, but they usually come in narrative form—that is, they're told through stories.
symbolic
 
yeah but an 'allegory' is a type of book
 
An allegory is a story with a symbolic level of meaning. Therefore, it involves a kind of symbolism.
 
symbolism is part if a book
 
2:32 PM
No, they're both elements of a story.
A story can be allegorical or symbolic.
 
for instance, a book might have symbolism, but it isn't an allegory
but an allegory contains symbolism
so it works one way not the other
 
Right. That's why should be a synonym of and not the other way round.
 
but allegory doesn't mean the same as symbolism?
 
I know.
 
the question could be about an allegory, but not about the symbolism
 
2:35 PM
@BeastlyGerbil We haven't been using tags for "types of book" (except language-based tags, for reasons covered on meta). We don't have a tag, for instance - we shouldn't have an tag for any question about any story that happens to be an allegory.
 
Again, for reasons covered on meta.
It's not worth creating a new tag for every piddly little poem.
So instead we use and the author tag.
Same with .
Only sufficiently long individual works are worth their own tag.
 
@Randal'Thor as in, individual volumes? but usually those aren't worth a tag either, only authors do.
let's create tags for individual chapters and lines too!
 
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Q: A proposal for [poetry] and [short-stories]

Rand al'ThorWe've had a couple of discussions about these tags already: Is [poetry] too broad / how should we use the tag? How should we use [short-stories]? Consensus in both cases was to keep the tags, but much of the reason boiled down to "it's not bad enough to get rid of", and nobody really addresse...

@b_jonas Not individual volumes of a series.
 
But sure, for some important works, it is worth to create a tag.
 
2:38 PM
We use a tag rather than seven different tags for the different books. But we also use and tags rather than just the author tag.
 
thats for novels which will receive a lot of questions though
 
Anyway, that's a different debate, and one which already has its own meta post.
 
I think the problem with this site is it has too many individual opinions and thats sparks off too many debates
No one ever seems to agree on things here
 
@BeastlyGerbil Everyone has managed to remain polite and constructive so far.
 
Oh no not saying people are being rude about things, but there have been lots of friendly debates recently
And not many conclusions reached
 
2:42 PM
You've just described the field of Literature.
 
:P
Well I suppose my English teacher is right about one thing in Literature, there is no definite answer
unless its a fact
 
Huh.
I guess Announcer does work from in SE o_o
 
announcer?
 
I've seen lots of meta debates here on which the votes go very quickly one way at first and then swing back the other way as more people see it.
 
2:48 PM
was that just a link or chat or something? :P
 
My answer on will probably get some upvotes later on (touch wood?) I was unlucky that Hamlet was one of the first to see it.
@Mithrandir Told you.
 
why is that unlucky?
 
@Randal'Thor I was just going according to Meta!
@BeastlyGerbil He left a comment with a diamond.
 
heh :)
 
I left a comment with my link. The question went HNQ. I get rep from clicks and a badge :P
 
2:55 PM
@BeastlyGerbil Because I knew he was going to be against my proposal.
It was mainly because of him that I went to so much effort to explain my conclusion, which seemed obvious to me in the beginning.
@Mithrandir I was going according to actual experience, and I proved it to you :-)
 
still waiting to get my copy of the book in the mail
 
@Mithrandir deletes comment :-P
 
@DForck42 What book?
 
@DForck42 Which book? Hard to Be a God?
 
@b_jonas hard to be a god, the month's challenge
 
2:59 PM
@Randal'Thor reports mod abuse :P
 
@DForck42 Did you see my link where you can read it online, legally and for free?
 
@Randal'Thor I saw that you posted the link, but that was after I had already purchased the book
 
Heh :P
 
I'd rather read it from one source, rather than start on one then switch to another
 
@DForck42 Ah, pity.
I'm already about 1/3 of the way through it.
 
3:01 PM
Quick question which I hope doesn't start another debate: Is using a pirated pdf of a book to answer a question OK?
 
@BeastlyGerbil as long as you don't link to it.
 
@BeastlyGerbil You can answer that question by asking yourself: how would anyone know?
If you have a pirated PDF, and you quote from it to answer a question, then as far as anyone knows, you could be quoting from your own hard copy, or from a legitimately obtained PDF.
 
We can't control if you use it; just please don't link it.
 
Just don't link to it and there's nothing anyone can prove.
 
K, thanks
 
3:14 PM
@Hamlet, out of curiosity, is the allegory tag being burninated, or was there some other reason for editing it out?
 
@DForck42 Ah.
 
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Q: About the [allegory] and [symbolism] tags

Rand al'ThorI just noticed that we have an allegory tag (2 questions) as well as the symbolism tag (75 questions). Do we need both of these tags, and if so, what's the difference between them and how do we make this clear? (Since the allegory tag is hardly used at all, I could have simply edited it out and ...

> Funnily enough, one of the two questions, What did the Roll which the Shining Ones delivered to Christian represent?, is actually about what is represented by a particular object, so I doubt anyone would disagree that it should be tagged .
 
@Randal'Thor Okay, thanks. Didn't know there was a whole meta discussion about my post. ;)
 
@anonymous2 It was inspired by your post, but like I said in the question, it's a much bigger issue than that.
 
@Randal'Thor Yes, I realise and appreciate that.
 
3:20 PM
Also, thanks for asking the first Pilgrim's Progress question! I'm surprised we haven't already had questions about it, given how full of symbolism/allegory it is.
 
@Randal'Thor Yes, TBH, I was surprised to find that and didn't exist yet...
 
Although, isn't the actual title ?
We have a policy to include leading articles in title tags when they exist.
 
@Randal'Thor Hmm, you're right.
There, fixed. :)
 
we're so meta we have a metaliterature tag, lol
 
3:37 PM
@DForck42 What does the tag mean?
 
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Q: What is the significance of the "suffocation scene" at Tchermashnya in Brothers Karamazov?

brianpckI'm re-reading The Brothers Karamazov and was struck again by a strange scene whose meaning isn't immediately clear to me. In "Lyagavy", Part 3, Book 8, Chapter 2 of The Brothers Karamazov, Mitya rushes to Tchermashnya at the underhanded suggestion of Samsonov, in a desperate attempt to come up ...

 
Mar 30 at 12:31, by VicAche
@Randal'Thor I would say not, "any literary text which takes the nature of literature as its object; such texts collectively." vs "The relationship between texts, especially literary ones." ie metaliterature can happen with no explicit nor implicit references to existing texts, while I would say it's not the case for intertextuality
 
@Randal'Thor Okay, it has nothing to do with meta.literature.SE.
 
@anonymous2 No, we're not so bad that we have meta questions festering on main :-P
 
@Randal'Thor Ah, gotcha. :)
 
3:42 PM
@anonymous2 basically, literatureception
 
@DForck42 Okay, reding you. ;)
 
@anonymous2 :-D
 
@DForck42 Literatu, the sequel to Nosferatu, and its reception.
 
@Randal'Thor heh
 
4:38 PM
Just finished the 3rd chapter of Hard to Be a God.
Lots of information about Don Reba towards the end of that chapter, which might be useful in answering my Beria question.
 
 
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5:50 PM
boop
 
6:27 PM
I'm tempted to ask one of ROs to pin the message that finally admits that I'm eeeevil :)
 
@DVK-on-Ahch-To Tempting...
@DForck42 beep
(Also, babysitting, so I'm not really here.)
 
@Mithrandir Temptations are made to be succumbed to.
@Mithrandir Did Bilbo bother you to help with Frodo again?
 
@DVK-on-Ahch-To Indubitably.
He's a young scallywag ;)
 
@Mithrandir Just get some tobacco and blow it around the kid. Seems to be a valid childcare approach in Middle-Earth
 
Do you think that I haven't been? :O
That moment when you realize that your comment has more votes than the question...
 
6:55 PM
@DVK-on-Ahch-To the rpg room is tagged as jeff
@Mithrandir lol
 
7:12 PM
@Randal'Thor Indeed.
@BeastlyGerbil What?! You can read them from non-pirated sources?!
 
7:28 PM
@Gallifreyan yeah, we're not all cheapskates
 
@DForck42 Cheap skate, available now from your local fishmonger.
 
@Randal'Thor my local fishmongers mainly deal in catfish, carp, and perch
 
@DForck42 Well, go and carp at them about the cats perching on the roof.
If it's icy, go down there on your skates.
 
@Randal'Thor cats on the roof? You have no idea.
 
@Mithrandir cat's in the cradle
 
7:37 PM
@DForck42 Yes, occasionally. Literally.
 
@Mithrandir like, in a metaphorical sense of the word literally?
 
@DForck42 ...no...?
 
@Mithrandir oh ok
what color is the cat?
 
They're all kind of colors. All of the colors that cats can be, they're here.
Now, my battery is dead. Adieu.
 
@Mithrandir byeeee
@Mithrandir so a superposition cat of all cats that have been, currently are, and ever will be
 
8:32 PM
@DForck42 Schrodinger but more so?
 
@Randal'Thor sure
 
8:58 PM
@Randal'Thor why would one downvote this?
 
@Gallifreyan shrug
Maybe they think it's poorly researched?
 
@Randal'Thor How dare ye post such questions?! :D
Also, what do you think about the tag wiki? Should we get a meta to collect more guidances?
 
@Gallifreyan I approved a good edit from somebody (you?) on that tag wiki.
Not sure if we need a meta yet. Have we seen many bad ID questions?
On the other hand, I guess a pre-emptive one wouldn't hurt, and we already have plenty of material from the SFF one.
 
12 hours ago, by Gallifreyan
I've tried to add some basic guidance to the tag wiki. I think we may as well have our own tips instead of posting random comments and sometimes directing people to relevant SFF meta post.
 
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Q: Children's Book with Time Machine in the Basement

Jeff PowellI'm trying to find a book I recall from my childhood, but details are sparse. For an upper bound on release, I would have read this ~1990-1995. The only detail that really stands out is that towards the end, there are a couple children (and possibly the older man / scientist type) in the baseme...

 
9:53 PM
5 days into our book challenge - 4 questions. Not bad at all!
 
@Gallifreyan I want somebody other than me to ask the next one :-P
Did we attract anyone over from the Russian sites?
 
Nobody's mentioned the Hugo Awards yet?
 
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@BESW I am pleasantly surprised by what I've already read, or by what's already on my TBR list.
 
@Randal'Thor I have some questions (almost through the translation - only need 1 more bus ride to finish :D), but I'll wait for others to read the book first
@BESW Gaiman, Le Guin and Carrie fisher in "Best Related Work". Interesting.
 
I'm glad to see Paper Girls getting some recognition!
But "Return of Doctor Mysterio"? Really?
 
10:06 PM
@BESW That was my thought too.
 
I'm sad Sunstone isn't there - it ended rather well.
 
I guess nobody watched Class.
 
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I like that the Expanse is getting some love.
 
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@Gallifreyan Sunstone?
 
[sigh] I'm in a complex relationship with The Expanse.
 
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10:08 PM
@BESW I can understand that, from previous conversations we've had around it.
 
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it's certainly not without it's problems.
 
I feel the show is overall definitively better than the books (those I was able to read before throwing them at the wall) but the second season is making changes to the best parts of the books for absolutely no reason I can see.
 
Sunstone is an ongoing adult webcomic series written and illustrated by Stjepan Šejić which was first published on DeviantArt in 2011. Šejić is assisted by his wife and fellow artist Linda Lukšić Šejić. The comic, described as an erotic romantic comedy, focuses on the relationship between Lisa and Ally and their mutual interest in BDSM culture. Sunstone has been collected by Image Comics and Top Cow Productions into trade paperback volumes. It is the first of a planned four-part story focusing on the same group of characters but a different couple each, with the second part focusing on Alan and...
 
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@Gallifreyan Okay, it was the thing I was thinking of :)
 
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10:09 PM
I read it recently, enjoyed it quite a bit.
 
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@BESW I've only seen a handful of episodes of the show, I am having to take it slow to process, as I am not as good with visual storytelling as I am written
 
The ending was good wasn't it? It may have been cheesy occasionally, but overall it was a very interesting read.
 
And, well. Where's Cleverman?
 
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@Gallifreyan I liked the ending. It was sweet.
 
The ending was nice. I liked that he kept it without tears or needless display of overacted emotion. Neat.
 
10:19 PM
@BESW I certainly didn't (assuming you're talking about the DW Class).
 
@Randal'Thor Its worst episodes were only slightly worse than Mysterio, and some were much better.
 
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I've not watched DW in quite a while.
 
@Ash The Christmas episode "The Return of Doctor Mysterio" is the only 2016 Doctor Who episode at all; instead they broadcast their teen spinoff Class.
 
Hmm... why not ask some Sunstone questions here?
 
And, well. "Mysterio" is pretty pants. It's a comic book tribute in the most ham-handed, forced, self-conscious, apologetic way.
 
10:23 PM
Or better - nominate it for a book challenge! Yassss!
That'd certainly stir up diversity
 
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@Gallifreyan I think the NSFW content wouldn't make it a good topic choice.
 
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@BESW All of that sounds unawesome
 
It was painful.
 
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Sounds like.
 
Class, at least, rose and fell on its own merits and generally acquitted itself better than a gritty DW spinoff for teens had any right to.
 
10:29 PM
@Ash Yes, I realise now that we better keep this PG-13-rated
 
It's no Sarah Jane Adventures, but once it found its footing Class managed to make me care.
 
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@BESW I mean the phrase "gritty DW spinoff for teens" alone makes me shudder
 
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but then again I just tend to get annoyed with most spinoff series of things because they're rarely good
 
... but what about a separate challenge for R-rated stuff? :D
 
@Ash Same here. I had no optimism about it whatsoever.
 
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10:30 PM
@Gallifreyan I don't see that being a wise idea.
 
So maybe my low expectations made it seem better than it is? But I enjoyed it overall.
 
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I've just become kinda jaded about DW in general, it doesn't have teh same sort of magic for me that it used to
 
Agreed. Capaldi is magical! But the scripts he gets are generally not.
 
<brainstorms challenge ideas>
 
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It got kinda dark and weird and kinda tried to be too many things at once
 
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10:32 PM
@BESW Yeah, I find that so unfortunate - he's good at what he does, he just doesn't seem to get good ways to show that off
 
Moffat's only around for one more year, then it'll change again. Signs are pointing toward Auntie Beeb wanting it to be more like the later years of Ten/Davies again.
Which has its own problems, but we'll see; there's no way it'll be exactly like that era no matter how much the Beeb wants it to be.
 
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Yeah, it's never going to be quite like that again
 
...Thank goodness.
 
The later years of Ten/Davies were by far my favourite part of New Who.
 
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I liked Nine.
 
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10:35 PM
I liked Nine a lot.
 
Nine was like Capaldi--great Doctor, tended to get really awful scripts.
 
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@BESW Yeah, I liked what I saw as potential in Nine, it just didn't get explored
 
I can't remember a single crap episode from Series 4.
 
Ten... urrrgh. Tennant will be an excellent actor in a decade or so, but right now he's basically only got "manic pixie girl" settings for his emoting.
 
"Just this once, everybody lives!"
 
10:36 PM
It's notable that the episodes from Tennant's run which are widely considered his best tend to be the ones without much of Tennant in them (see: Blink).
 
@Randal'Thor That message is fantastic!
 
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@BESW Thank goodness, someone else sees this
 
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@BESW Also this.
 
Aaaaaand I'm gone :D
 
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10:38 PM
@Randal'Thor This is one of my favourite moments in like all of Who
 
@Ash Ah, early Moffat writing. When he still had two decades of fan musings to draw on and only needed to use the best bits--and had somebody around to tell him "no" when necessary.
 
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@BESW And having that is important, I think.
 
@Ash Empty Child is the first episode of Doctor Who I ever saw
 
@Ash Ten got some great episodes. He also got saddled with Davies' peccadilloes about companions and romance.
 
Eccleston has a very special place in my heart
 
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10:40 PM
@BESW I think that's why I got frustrated, I got super tired of the romance stuff
 
Your first Doctor is always special.
 
@BESW He does a great "dark and menacing" impression. Much better than Matt "Clowning Around" Smith, who just looks silly even when he's trying to be impressive (see: Rings of Akhaten speech).
 
I think that's a major reason for Ten's popularity, honestly: he's so many peoples' first.
@Randal'Thor Matt Smith's speciality was being old and weary.
 
@Ash That's a lot of why Donna is my favourite New Who Companion.
 
The few times he was allowed to be an ancient, tired being weary of the death and the running, Matt Smith shone brilliantly.
 
10:42 PM
@BESW Have you seen the behind-the-scenes for The Girl in the Fireplace?
 
@Randal'Thor I wanted to like Donna, but she had one character note: she's a TEMP! from CHISWICK!
 
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@BESW So much this. When they kept trying to make him this overeager hyper child super delighted by it all, I was like "noooooope". He worked better as the ancient tired weary one
 
@Randal'Thor I have not been especially interested in all the BTS for New Who.
 
Those orbits do not look good
 
@Ash Seeing eyes that have endured thousands of years peering out of such a young face was pretty amazing.
 
10:44 PM
@BESW I think this one says a lot about Moffat. Hold on ... rummages in Youtube
 
My favourite episode from Ten, hands down, was Midnight. It was a good episode in its own right, but it also just flat calls out all of the nonsense Ten kept pulling for three years with "Trust me, I'm the Doctor!" acting like some kind of mass hypnosis effect.
 
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@BESW That's what I loved - he looks like a puppy, and then to have all of that coming out of him was just magical
 
...And then The End of Time burnt up every last remaining shred of positive feeling I had for Davies.
 
10:51 PM
@Randal'Thor You've seen The Fish Doctor, right?
 
@BESW Have now, yes.
 
I'm thinking of the Moffat scene.
 
Which one?
I laughed at the "Caves of Androzani" type scene with Moffat, although I didn't recognise the guy in the middle.
 
The one where he's scripting the 50th Anniversary special by playing with model figures.
 
Oh, ha!
Yes.
 
11:00 PM
@Randal'Thor Pretty sure that was Matthew Waterhouse.
("Now I'll never know if I was right" are Adric's last words.)
 

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