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12:38 AM
Is it correct to say: Disguised in Invisibility?
Actually, I had to title my summary of a comprehension extracted from The Invisible Man
Is Disguised in Invisibility fine?
 
Anonymous
12:54 AM
I might use a different preposition. Maybe by.
 
@snailplane aren't we disguised in something?
be disguised in something: The intruders were disguised in post office uniforms.
 
@snailplane good morning. No problem :-) it was not urgent though.
 
Anonymous
@Abcd Disguised with, disguised in, and disguised by are all in use. They are slightly different from one another.
 
Anonymous
It would actually make a good question for the main site, if you wanted to post.
 
@snailplane is in grammatically wrong there?
 
Anonymous
1:08 AM
Well, no.
 
Is this sentence grammatically correct: I am rude, nevertheless my friends love me.
@snailplane Okay. Thanx
 
Anonymous
But just because something is grammatical doesn't necessarily mean it's the best choice.
 
@snailplane what are you referring to: my sentence or the by
 
Anonymous
@Abcd Looks more like two sentences: I am rude. Nevertheless, my friends love me.
 
Anonymous
I was continuing the earlier conversation about in.
 
1:10 AM
@snailplane okay. SO what about: I am rude yet my friends love me.
@snailplane or: Though I am rude, my friends love me.
3) You will succeed. You must work hard. (You will not succeed unless you work hard.)
4) Do not steal. Stealing is a crime. (Use: since) (Do not steal since stealing is a crime)
 
1:27 AM
@snailplane if u r not busy can you please look at this post? Actually I'm new to this topic. You can have a look ay time convenient to you. But plz let me know :) I'm worried about the use of terminology. Let's see if my understanding is correct.
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A: "not as ... as I crave" or "not as ... as what I crave?

Man_From_India I wanted to build my knowledge through a variety of opportunities, but at my current school these opportunities aren’t as vast as (what) I crave. This is a comparative construction, containing a Comparative Phrase - as vast as (what) I crave. It is a Scaler comparison, It falls under Equali...

 
Anonymous
1:39 AM
@Man_From_India It'll take some time because comparatives are a weak point for me. I can tell you off the bat, though, that it's scalar rather than scaler :-)
 
1:52 AM
What is correct: He is richer than I. or He is richer than me.
 
Anonymous
Both are fine but the former is markedly formal. Most people would say the latter.
 
Anonymous
You can also say He is richer than I am.
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2:15 AM
@snailplane okay. TY
 
@snailplane hehe that was a typo :-) yes it's a weak point for me too.
 
Austin, who is wearing the black dress, is my sister.
or should it be: Austin who is wearing the black dress, is my sister.
 
Though the second is correct, I doubt if the first sentence is at all wrong.
 
(Notice the commas)
Join: Take an umbrella. It may rain. (Take an umbrella for it may/might rain.)
 
So the quality of ELU answer too has degraded.
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Q: What is 'that' in 'is that you?'

Sara SameenWhat is 'that' in 'is that you?' The options given are: adverb adjective noun none I'm pretty sure adverb is not the answer but I'm confused whether it's 'adjective' or 'noun'. It is referring to 'YOU' but not used in the form 'that shop', so perhaps it's noun?

Though I shouldn't be that judgemental just by looking at one post.
 
 
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6:34 AM
Word of the day: seropositive
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(Seropositive rheumatoid arthritis)
 
6:52 AM
> If a patient has taken methotrexate orally before the study, the oral administration of methotraxate should should be continued during the study.
I think that the presence of "before the study" might forbid the use of the Present Perfect, or make it awkward
 
7:20 AM
> A liquid is considered clear if its clarity is the same as that
of water R or of the solvent used when examined under the
conditions described above, or if its opalescence is not more
pronounced than that of reference suspension I.
Why is it that in the pharmacology the word opalescence is apparently treated as a synonym of turbidity?
 
 
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8:25 AM
@CowperKettle IIRC they were defined the same way, but were somehow different
Maybe the contexts where each are used are different
 
@M.A.R. I'm used to translating (the?) Russian "turbidity" into English "opalescence" and it always makes me wonder
If I ask on Biology SE, that might be considered offtopic
 
Be migrated to Astronomy, prolly
 
9:06 AM
The teacher thought the children would (a)/ be happy for (b)/ clearing away their toys. (c)/ No Error (d) Answer says C but I am not sure why? @DamkerngT. @M.A.R. @Man_From_India @snailplane
 
9:29 AM
I don't get the sentence
 
Okay.
 
10:13 AM
No ELL now :) going for my hostel roommate's marriage reception. It's been 7 long years since we left college.
 
10:34 AM
The ban of Indian hockey today is (a)/ lack of interest by the part of the public (b)/ which in turn is fueled by the perception that It doesn’t pay to take up the sport as a career. (c)/ No error (d) @DamkerngT. @Man_From_India @M.A.R. @CowperKettle Answer says B by must be replaced by on
 
10:47 AM
@user62015 on indeed goes better with part than by.
 
Thanks.
I agree.
 
@user62015 I'm not sure about this one. The sentence doesn't sound very good or at least it's not how I'd phrase it anyway.
I think we need to fix both b) and c).
 
Okay. Thanks.
 
Replacing for with about might improve the sentence and make it acceptable. It's still not ideal IMO though.
 
Okay.
Yes. What if we use by instead of for?
I was thinking by can be possible?
 
10:55 AM
@user62015 Could be, but it sounds like English by non-native speakers.
 
I agree.
We were surprised that she participated (a)/ at the performance (b)/ held at NCP (c)/ No error (d) I think, we should use in the performance instead of at the performance?
 
@CowperKettle Webster defines "opalescent" as "having a colored smooth surface that gives the effect of cloudiness and diffusion due to the intentional presence of fissures, striae, and bubbles", and "turbid" as "having an appearance held to resemble physical turbidity : characterized by being cloudy, muddy, dull, impure, or polluted : lacking in clarity or translucence" and "having the lees or sediment disturbed : thick or opaque with matter in suspension : cloudy or muddy in physical appearance".
@Abcd "Even though I'm rude, my friends love me."
@DamkerngT. Perhaps removing the preposition altogether? "They were happy clearing away..."
 
11:24 AM
@userr2684291 for some reason, "opalescence" is used in pharmacopoeia to describe liquids and solutions. "Having a smooth surface" is hard to apply to a solution.. more befits a stone, like in the Wikipedia article on opalescence
 
@userr2684291 That makes sense!
 
suitable syntax: "Visitors can get benefit from it." ?
 
can benefit from it
 
How about benefit of it?
 
Intricacies of terminology drive me seropositive..
@Pandya no
 
11:27 AM
@CowperKettle ok
@DamkerngT. Thanks
 
Sure!
I've gotta run again. See you guys later!
 
@DamkerngT. Happy jogging!
I finished my daily jog 40 min ago.
That was great
 
@CowperKettle Actually, the Wikipedia article pays no attention to the state of the matter.
 
@userr2684291 so what? I was quoting from your definition
 
11:48 AM
@CowperKettle As far as I know, "having a smooth surface" is a characteristic most liquids possess. (:
@CowperKettle If you elect to call the actual usage into question, go ahead, but the reasoning is in that definition (in this case it simply means "cloudy" or whatever). After all, "opalescent" translates to "opal-like".
 
in The h Bar, 2 mins ago, by John Rennie
But I have never heard it used in physics to just mean cloudiness or turbidity.
 
@CowperKettle Right, I think you're talking about chemistry there, anyway. Googling "opalescent liquid" turns up "seed treatment A clear to opalescent liquid to be applied to".
 
Anonymous
12:07 PM
Good morning :-)
 
Good Morning
 
@snailplane \o
I'm having some yogurt that's so creamy, it looks like cheese
 
@user62015 Most assuredly, unless "the performance" is a place or a location (something that licenses "at" on its own).
 
Anonymous
Welcome to the land of opalescent yogurt!
 
Stoney yogurt
 
12:18 PM
Thanks @userr2684291
 
Like Go-Gurt, but to stay...
 
Stay-gurt
 
non-Newtonian yogurt?
 
!!flip/@Snail
 
(۶ૈ‡▼益▼)۶@Suɐᴉꞁ
 
12:23 PM
It didn't ping
!!flip/@Cowp
 
◟(`ﮧ´ ◟ )@Ɔoʍd
 
It didn't ping. O.o
 
Anonymous
¡uʍop ǝpısdn ɯ,I ¡ou ɥO
 
@M.A.R. Sounds like it's expired.
 
It hasn't. It's just really creamy and I'm not used to creamy staygurt
 
Anonymous
12:27 PM
All this talk of go- and stay-gurt is making me suspensive.
 
It's dangerous for mods to be suspensive
 
12:44 PM
@Snail flipping you was for science, BTW
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Q: Why does @Oɹʇɥo ping @Ortho?

M.A.R.My understanding was that if the first three characters of a name match a username present in the chat for the previous seven days, the person will be pinged. Out of curiosity, why does @Oɹʇ ping @Ortho? Aren't they different characters? This seems to only happen in @Ortho's case. Flipping @S...

 
Most villages were cut off (a)/ from the rest of (b)/ the country owing heavy floods. (c)/ No error (d) @M.A.R.
 
C sounds weird
 
Okay any reason?
You are right as answer also says the same thing.
 
Owing to.
 
Thanks.
I agree.
 
12:51 PM
@M.A.R. I think it's because the second character in "Suɐᴉꞁ" is the letter U.
 
!!flip/@Userr
 
(۶ૈ‡▼益▼)۶@∩sǝɹɹ
 
@M.A.R. And even if other characters matched, the last character in "Ɔoʍd" is D.
 
@userr2684291 Well, the second character in reversed Ortho isn't r
 
@M.Ä.R. Does this ping you?
Judging by the lack of response...
 
12:54 PM
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Q: Conditional types

Anthony VoronkovI know there exist three main types of conditionals: first type (real present or future); second type (unreal present); third type (unreal past). And talking about second type we understand it as a "dream"as well as third means "regret" about something we shouldn't have done in the past. There a...

I wish we had a canonical post about these conditionals.
The three (plus zero) conditionals sometimes are misleading and unnecessarily complicate things.
In my opinion, of course.
 
@userr2684291 It does
 
@M.A.R. There you go.
 
So what's the criteria that they base pinging on?
 
I'm sure "useɹ" would ping me.
 
Looking alike something isn't a good criteria
@useɹ
 
12:57 PM
I really don't know much about it, but at least it's clear why those two users didn't get pinged.
Yeah, it pings me.
 
Mhm
 
@M.A.R.2
 
I agree.
 
Did that ping you? @M.A.R.
 
@DamkerngT. Nope
 
12:58 PM
Hmm
 
It shouldn't've, anyway.
 
M.A.R. doesn't have a sequel. M.A.R. is the only one.
 
Why did useɹ work, then?
 
The "r" is included in the highlighted thing.
Because it's considered (for some reason) a type of R, just like "r" and "R" are. (:
 
Hmm... maybe. I don't know. It works in a secretive way. :P
 
1:03 PM
The infection which causes (a)/ gums to bleed and teeth to fall out results from the build-up of (b)/ a particular bacteria that is common to most mouths. (c)/ No error (d) It says C and I think it must be "a particular bacterium"
 
@DamkerngT. I think they're okay for teaching purposes.
@user62015 Yeh.
 
Thanks.
 
@userr2684291 Yes, but like training wheels, if the learners can't get beyond them, they could become a hindrance.
 
@DamkerngT. I don't think that works. Training wheels are always helpful.
 
But we would abandon them as soon as possible, wouldn't we?
 
1:17 PM
Why?
 
Hmm... good question. Because they're training wheels?
 
Call them just "wheels".
 
If we can walk, we would walk, right. We don't crawl like we did when we were babies.
 
That's because it's easier to walk than to crawl. Training wheels don't slow you down.
 
If we can do it without training wheels or learning aids, we should do it ASAP. At least that's my opinion.
@userr2684291 Really? I think they get in the way.
I think it's similar to the concept of "think in English".
We should think in English as soon as possible, I think.
 
1:21 PM
I still don't know what that means.
 
What didn't you know?
 
How do you make yourself think in English... it happens naturally, if it happens.
 
Oh, sure, to many people. But probably not all.
 
@DamkerngT. If training wheels are wider and you always need to take the main road instead of the shortcut, then I see your point.
 
Though I don't have any evidence to claim that there are some learning methods that will lock you down in your own language and you have to always translate between languages when you use a second language for the rest of your life, I'd say there are such methods.
@userr2684291 That's my point. I think all of us, as learners, would want to be on the (metaphorically) main roads as soon as possible.
 
1:28 PM
@DamkerngT. Haha, in my version of the metaphor, you want to take the shortcut because it takes less time to arrive at the destination. Efficient use of comparatives = shortcut. However, those 6 types of comparatives will allow you to construct pretty much all sentences.
 
Oh, no, I don't think there is any good shortcut, but there are lots of bad detours.
Shortcuts would make you feel like you already are on the main road, when in fact you're not.
 
Ugh, not comparatives, conditionals.
 
I can see that some people, and maybe teachers, like these conditionals. I don't, personally. But it's fine if you don't feel the same.
 
@DamkerngT. What alternative do you propose? I see nothing wrong with teaching the language in terms of formulaic constructions.
 
Just don't focus on "conditionals", but tenses and irrealis uses.
It works better for me this way, really. It frees me from "patterns".
 
1:37 PM
I understand.
 
Many multinational companies (a) / have not been as successful in India (b) / than we expected. (c)/ No error (d) It says C I think it should be we had expected, right?
 
@user62015 s/than/as/
 
okay so as we expected
@userr2684291 I need help with one more question, would you mind?
A day after he was diagnosed with (a)/ swine flu, preventive measures were put in place (b) / to ensure that others were not affected by the dreaded virus. (c)/ No error (d)
 
1:58 PM
@user62015 Hm. I don't see any mistakes.
Do you?
 
Same here but Answer key says A
Not sensible
Please think again as it is an example of Indian English.ahahahahahaa
 
Anonymous
@user62015 They might want it to say bacterium, but usage has shifted, and bacteria is often treated as singular these days. It depends.
 
Anonymous
@user62015 It's fine the way it is. They might be confused and want had been, but was is fine.
 
Okay.
 
@user62015 Haha. "A day after" is very common, and so is "diagnose with". Maybe they want a different tense.
 
2:02 PM
I think, bacterium will be a good choice
Okay.
@userr2684291 Some other Answer key says option B
But I think D would be a good choice
 
Anonymous
@user62015 I think so too.
 
@user62015 What can I say, I don't see any problems with it. "Put in place" goes well with "preventive measures". "Swine flu" doesn't require "the".
 
Anonymous
I don't see any potential errors in B.
 
Thanks @snailplane @userr2684291
 
Anonymous
@userr2684291 Good point about the, though. Maybe they think the is better. I wouldn't have even thought of that.
 
Anonymous
2:10 PM
I wonder if the with names of diseases is better preserved in InE.
 
Oh...
 
Anonymous
In casual speech I sometimes use the with disease names where it isn't required, just because I think it sounds old-fashioned and silly :-)
 
A day after he was diagnosed with (a)/ swine flu, preventive measures were put in place (b) / to ensure that others were not affected by the dreaded virus. (c)/ No error (d).......So at the end we all think that D is a good choice, right?
 
@user62015 Haha. I mean... what do you get from this? is someone going to grade your homework?
 
I get experience. ahahaha
 
2:21 PM
@user62015 I'm not sure I see how, to be honest. Who cares what the correct answer is, you hafta try to understand why the sentence could be wrong.
 
I agree.
But I need to go into deep and they ask same questions with multiple choice so we have to choose an answer there and to choose the answer we must know the details and reason behind the answer.
I hope you understand my point
 
 
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5:12 PM
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Q: Where were you yesterday? I was late for/at work

ShannakWhat is the different between "late for" and "late at". I was in a business meeting outside the work place (let's say at a restaurant), and it took time, so I late on my friends daily gathering. The next day my friend phoned me and said: "we expected to see you, where were you yesterday?", What ...

I think he needs the sentence "I worked late"
But I'm not sure
Maybe "I stayed late at my job"
 
 
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6:22 PM
@user62015 You only gain experience by using your language, not grading it
 
I agree.
 
Grading it does guarantee some usage, but that's not enough for what you aim.
@CowperKettle "I'm underpaid"
 
I'm underpaid but seropositive!
 
Yeah yeah
It's magnificent how "yeah yeah" destroys anyone's argument no matter how profound it is
 
Anonymous
@M.A.R. Yeah, yeah.
 
6:27 PM
@snailplane Yeah yeah to your yeah yeah
 
Anonymous
Yeah? Well, yeah yeah to your 'yeah yeah to your yeah yeah'!
 
Yeah? Yeah yeah to your 'Yeah? Well, yeah yeah to your 'yeah yeah to your yeah yeah'!'
 
Does it work in court?
 
@CowperKettle Only for the jury
 
Or is there some clause nullifying 'yeah yeah'?
Ah
 
Anonymous
6:33 PM
@CowperKettle Only one way to find out.
 
@M.A.R. You know, I often hear MPs shout "yeah" in the House of Commons in the UK, and I'm never sure if they're sarcastic or agreeing.
 
@snailplane Yeah, yeah
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Q: Why do members in the British parliament yell "whooo....." during debates?

JuliaI sometimes watch BBC channel and see heavy debate in british parliament.What interests me is , when one politician speak about one policy and express his own view on sth,some other politicians stand up and yell 'whooo.....', Can you explain this phenomenon for me? why they yell ? in support of ...

> During a debate in the house of commons, the MPs shout out their support or their disagreement for a statement being made . So they shout in both cases, a "Yeahhh" for support and a sort of "No/Whoo" for their disagreement.
 
6:49 PM
Yeah yeah
Si si
 
نعم نعم
بله بله
 
@CowperKettle I know why they shout, but it's sometimes not convincing because they drag it like "yeeeh, yeeeh".
 
Yea yea
 
And you never know with Brits, y'know?
 
6:54 PM
You never know with non-Brits either
You just generally never know
When I was a n00b in this chat, I kept wondering how I should interpret remarks, and how I would really know if they're legit or sarcasm
Confusing times
 
7:13 PM
Wat?!?
I thought everyone (native speakers) knew it.
@CowperKettle Bah! I was hoping this one was on ELL. :-)
Wondering of the day: there are many sounds related to feelings in English, like Yippie! Woo-hoo! etc. What if someone feels like crying? What sound would we use?
 
Sniff?
 
Ah, right!
Thanks! I knew there must be one, but somehow couldn't recall it.
 
Anonymous
Some people might say sniff or sniffle, although boo-hoo might be a more traditional alternative.
 
Or write Sob in italics
 
Anonymous
7:28 PM
Sob is a good one, too.
 
Boo-hoo is nice too!
 
@snailplane Heh, I saw boo-hoo the other day and thought it was something like Woo Hoo
 
IIRC, it's used in R.I.P.D.
 
Anonymous
What is R.I.P.D.?
 
A movie. :-)
Jeff Bridges and Ryan Reynolds were in it.
 
7:30 PM
RIPD was one weird movie
It was unlike anything I saw
 
It opened a portal to a whole new world, but somehow a film wasn't enough to make that world in my mind
It opened more questions than answering them, if you know what I mean
 
Like ELL?
 
@userr2684291 Ugh
!!flip/userr
 
(づಥਊಥ)づ︵nsǝɹɹ
 
7:33 PM
Word of the day: a fast worker
> someone who achieves something very quickly, especially someone who starts a sexual or romantic relationship very quickly
 
LOL -- That's not the first kind of "worker" I had in mind when I read the word!
 
Uh
That reminds me of Jim
Chat turned into profane topics in a matter of seconds
 
LOL
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A: Conditional types

AndrewAs a side note to StoneyB's excellent answer: There are many English idioms that include the word "if". Many of these are not really conditional expressions but rather variations on other, simple phrases: "As if" = "like" : "He looks as if he's going to run away" "Don't mind if I do" =...

Hmm...
> Side note: You're also mixing verb tenses in your example sentence. It (normally) should be either,
She acted as if she owned the place
or
She acts as if she owns the place
However, native speakers also make this kind of mistake, so it's more about good style than perfect grammar. More information on verb consistency
The answer implies that She acts as if she owned the place is wrong.
Which I think is fine, say, in a novel.
 
I think it's fine in a non-novel too
 
nods
 
7:43 PM
dons
 
!!flip/dons
 
◟(`ﮧ´ ◟ )pous
 
!!flip/pous
 
(づಥਊಥ)づ︵dons
 
@BillJ Maybe that's right. I never thought about it, but some authorities distinguish the cases according to whether the word after "of" is a person. Apparently we say "a friend of the Mayor's," but not "a suburb of the city's." Still, "a friend of your son" sounds right to me, as does "within the power of the president," "at the discretion of the judge," etc. — Chaim 1 hour ago
This point is interesting, too.
A friend of your son sounds fine to my ear, but I'm not a native speaker.
It would be somewhat clumsy if we have to always use the 's form.
Jack, she is a friend of your son John.
With 's: Jack, she is a friend of your son John's -- sounds a bit weird.
 
7:47 PM
Jack, she is a friend of your Johnson.
 
LOL
Jack, she is a friend of your son's John -- This is even weirder!
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Q: "half-assed Hollywood horror"

bart-lebyThe Bye Bye Man is so bad, in fact, that it retroactively improves the half-assed Hollywood horror that it’d be lucky to better resemble. http://www.avclub.com/review/no-you-seriously-shouldnt-think-about-bye-bye-mano-248316 I am not able to understand the passage in bold from the film review....

Another wondering of the day: what's a more polite phrase for 'half-assed'?
Hmm... 'half-hearted', maybe.
Definitely not 'kick ass', I'm sure. :P
 
@DamkerngT. half-donkeyed
 
Haha!
 
Wait, you interpreted 'ass' to mean ass? Dirty mind
 
8:03 PM
He said / that the horse/ died at / the night
I think we shouldn't have at here, right?
in the night
 
8:20 PM
It dawned on me that the handle "P. E. Dant" is just an equivoque on "pedant". I haven't even seen his nickname in a while, and I was reading something completely unrelated.
 
@userr2684291 jinx
@user62015 at night
 
@M.A.R. Huh?
 
Jinx is a children's game with varying rules and penalties that occur when two people unintentionally speak the same word or phrase simultaneously. == Rules == A jinx can be initiated when at least two people say any same word or phrase at the same time. One of them then calls "jinx" on the other. The game ends when someone speaks the jinxee's name, or the jinxee speaks. In the latter case, the jinxee loses the game, and often a penalty is exacted, typically a punch on the arm. == See also == Punch buggy == References == == External links == Barrett, Grant (April 16, 2008). "Jinx a...
I was suggesting I thought that first
 
@M.A.R. "...when two people unintentionally speak the same word or phrase simultaneously."
 
Well, you can stretch that to two people posting similar chat messages
Or thinking alike
 
8:30 PM
@M.A.R. You figured out the pun as soon as you began to read the sentence?
 
@userr2684291 I figured PEDant meant Pedant when I answered his first meta post
 
I see.
 
I read.
 
I'm a bit slower, I guess. Only a few days ago I figured out "snailplane".
 
I remember he loved my meta posts. O.O
@userr2684291 When I first came here, she was a snailboat
I desperately need to get to 125 rep on Physics.SE so I can downvote.
The HNQ's are BS. :(
 
8:35 PM
@M.A.R. You lose one point per downvote, innit?
 
Only on answers
I can happily downvote the crap questions that make it to HNQ
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A: Is weight a scalar or a vector?

YakkWe can change the definition of things whenever it is useful. Definitions serve us. If a definition isn't useful, individuals and communities change it, sometimes on the fly, sometimes in context, sometimes explicitly, sometimes implicitly. In everyday experience, weight is a scalar. You don'...

As always, the best answer is not the top-voted
 
@user62015 I'd say "during the night".
 
Thanks.
 
But I think both "at night" and "in the night" are acceptable.
 
"at the night" sounds weird because "at" takes the night as a whole, so you have to think "which night?"
 
8:40 PM
Okay.
 
But "during" and prolly "in" look at the details
So it becomes okay to use the definite article
!!flip/the
 
(╯°ਊ°)╯︵ʇɥǝ
 
"At night" is like a fixed phrase; I wouldn't insert an article there.
 
Anonymous
@userr2684291 Really? What does it mean? I didn't know it was a pun!
 
@snailplane Sailboat/sailplane, and then you put "snail" there because you were being funny, and liked snails or something like that. (:
realizes that might've been sarcasm.
 
8:44 PM
@userr2684291 Nah, she likes snails, and keeps them
@Snail we need a pic!
 
@M.A.R. I know.
 
@userr2684291 Well, it being a reference to sailplanes is unintentional, prolly
 
@M.A.R. I think it was intentional.
 
Anonymous
Sailboats are the cutest vehicles, and snails are the cutest animals.
 
9:20 PM
Psh.
 

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