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2:01 AM

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also @Lynn you forgot to memeify the s and i underneath the code

Artic fox, meet your friend snow leopard

I'm not getting into a cute animal fight, Alex

Boo

lol

The fight of cuteness!

2:04 AM

Crazy stuff happening in Beep Boop

in Beep Boop Maggot, 1 min ago, by ETHbot

@Downgoat Chatgoat, Chatgoat, Chatgoat, Marky, wow, I see what you're foolishness!

So you put @ETHBot, @Upgoat and @Marky together to chat????

roflmao

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@RikerW roflolmao

ah make them stop

@Cyoce Rolling on flawr laughing out louding my ass out

2:09 AM

coolest thing I've seen all day

@AlexA. off*

@DigitalTrauma woah

laughing your ass out has interesting implications...

@Cyoce But otherwise accurate?

@AlexA. yes ¯\_( ͡ಠ ͜ʖ ͡ಠ)_/¯

2:10 AM

( ͡ಠ ツ ͡ಠ)

@DigitalTrauma I really want to believe that it's just cut in a way that makes that happen, with no power or moving parts, but I can't tell...

ayyy

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@DigitalTrauma Also, only all day???

@AlexA. ( ͡ಠ ツ ͡ಠ)'s influence is spreading. they are contagious. they will multiply. they will devour all ( ͡ಠ ツ ͡ಠ) ( ͡ಠ ツ ͡ಠ) ( ͡ಠ ツ ͡ಠ) ( ͡ಠ ツ ͡ಠ) ( ͡ಠ ツ ͡ಠ)

2:12 AM

@HelkaHomba omg

@HelkaHomba excuse me while I die

In Purple Haze, Jimi Hendrix says, "excuse me while I kiss the sky." However, I misheard this as, "excuse me while I kiss this guy."

@HelkaHomba Cool as Helka

i wonder if ton avoided replacing $^I with $\x09 for presentation convenience, i feel silly making a comment about it

@MitchSchwartz Don't feel silly. I'm sure they wouldn't mind elaborating. :)

2:22 AM

nah, he's busy making nontrivial improvements, doesn't really matter

@DigitalTrauma Very true, very true

According to python, 2 factorial is π!

[citation-needed]

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Anonymous

You're fired

3

2:32 AM

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Q: Should there be a migration path from PPCG to Stack Overflow?

Several benefits come with graduation, including the ability to set up migration paths to and from the site. This would entail a close option under close -> off-topic -> belongs on another site, which currently only has meta.PPCG as an option for non-moderators: If three or more users vote to ...

discussion migration

@El'endiaStarman That was accidental... I just needed some random people and those are some of the people on this site that I know the best.

I'm not even going to run as a mod, because I'm not going to be active enough and I don't trust my judgement enough.

@NewMetaPosts We should probably also have a migration path to Programmers SE @Doorknob

99% of SE's users don't know what Programmers is about. We'd migrate a lot of crap there.

:/

We do get some questions on topic there though

Name one.

2:40 AM

Well I couldn't show you because they're deleted.

But I do see "what's the best way to design xyz" occasionally.

El'endia Starman

@Dennis Wooo I'm part of the 99%.

Anonymous

It's about programming, but no code is allowed

Anonymous

It's more about design patterns and such rather than implementations

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3:00 AM

ok nvm, wasn't paying attention to the fact that \x09 is tab

sigh

hello mego. what goes?

@Mego have you replaced your Seriously lipogram solution with the 6-byte one yet?

Anonymous

3:16 AM

@quintopia Yes

Anonymous

Hi quintopia :)

Any way i can upload a video?

I know I can do imgs, do vids work?

Anonymous

Upload to youtube and give a link

@AshwinGupta you can upload gifs but not videos

ok

hold up.

@trichoplax youtu.be/4heZrDQVAho

Anyone know how to solve that?

Anonymous

3:22 AM

Reboot?

yeah. Which solves it for about 30 minutes.

Then it comes back.

virus?

This happens every single day. I'm sick of rebooting every time.

I doubt that very much. Its a brand new hard drive

Its got a clean win10 install

Got an antivirus: Norton

Plus I here the Windows Firewall is pretty good in Win10

Ask on SU?

Anonymous

@Downgoat Least useful SE site

3:24 AM

Thats the next step. I was hoping it didn't come to this

Oh well I guess so, I figured one of you guys might know.

@Mego try Ask Different. I got excited when I got > 10 views

@Mego woah there, SU has had some useful questions posted before.

if the solution to a problem is "reboot"... get a sane operating system :P

such as Mac OS X

I said sane

;)

Anonymous

3:26 AM

Oh, so BSD?

Wait, so am I the only one whose chat still says beta? I've tried everything I can think of to clear the cache out :/

no, you are not

I still see beta.

@Dennis I am staring at the UberGenes source and there is literally no way for the expression it exec()s to be of any form except "H.c[H.v[<number>]]=H.c[H.v[<number>]]<character in the set "=*+-/%|&^:><">H.c[H.v[<number>]]" and a handful of other very similar assignments. It's already completely sanitized by the fact that it completely tokenizes its input into a list of single characters that it puts in an array.

I was just confused by the status-completed then. Hmm.

3:30 AM

@Dennis I know that's not rigorous proof, but I don't feel uncomfortable asserting arbitrary I/O is not possible.

Anonymous

@Geobits I still see it

comment-ninja'd :)

@Geobits Me too

that's 5 people...

Wait, so who doesn't see it? O_o

3:32 AM

Alex?

Anonymous

Apparently just Alex

That's just weird.

I don't see any beta

Anonymous

Are you using the userscript?

I'm not, if that's where that was directed.

Anonymous

3:34 AM

Not you, @Downgoat

I see beta

no beta sign

Is that what you see in the lower-right of chat?

I see beta!

Anonymous

cdn.sstatic.net/codegolf/img/logo.png?v=cf

3:35 AM

Mobile lagging. Ninja'd myself

I was wondering why you shouted it the second time :P

If it still shows beta this should fix it

you forgot this \

Anonymous

A userscript is nice but that's something that needs fixing on SE's side

3:39 AM

no, not really, tis just caching

Anonymous

They need to drop the ?v=cf bit, which is their onus

Wuh, my mobile chat reset to the old interface

@HelkaHomba Does the old interface have a strange keyboard?

Aww...

@Mego no, the ?v=cf is supposed to be there. The cache just needs to be cleared server side, which will happen eventually without any manual intervention (CloudFlare can probably be blamed for some users seeing it right and some not)

in general, when you don't know what to blame, it's pretty safe to blame CloudFlare

Better than blaming Geobits >_>

3:42 AM

shouldiblamecaching.com

Anonymous

blame-doorknob

@Downgoat did you hear me complimenting the chat skin and your fainting goats gif earlier.

But the new interface check is still checked!

@quintopia chat skin?

oh

:D

@HelkaHomba Weird, I just checked mine and it's still using the new one.

3:47 AM

Oh, it's back

Maybe it got confused by the name change. I mean, it knows Calvin's chat should use the new UI :P

How do we get swag once it's available?

be on the top two pages on the users list, ordered by rep

so, in your case, by doing nothing :P

That's it?

yep

3:52 AM

what is swag?

so what do I have to do to get on the top two pages?

@Geobits ...I don't

@quintopia free stuff that SE sends people

@AlexA. :D I kinda figured that

Do the top 10 users get more? ;D

3:52 AM

no :P

@HelkaHomba no :P

Jon Skeet got a unicorn painting at 100k but that was a one-time thing

Clearly it should be the top 30 anyway, not 10.

@Doorknob all-time?

(otherwise they would have had to make 7 more unicorn paintings just for Jon Skeet)

@quintopia yeah

3:54 AM

@Doorknob not sure if kidding or...

What Happens When You Reach 200k Reputation?

Jeff Atwood on September 1, 2010

Have you ever wondered what happens when you reach 200,000 reputation?

I lied it was 200k

Speaking of which... crap. I need to start participating more or I'm going to fall off the first page.

@Doorknob oh well, guess that rules me out. i've got a third the rep that requires

@Geobits It's first two pages for swag though

It's first page for pride, though.

3:55 AM

psh, come back when you're in the first row :P

I'm on the first page but I only feel shame. Is that normal? Should see docter?

I don't want first row. Somewhere mid-first-page is just fine :)

@AlexA. this is the correct feeling. come join me on page 7

so who is helka homba again?

Calvin

Me

3:56 AM

@Doorknob Just because you only just overtook DT :P

@Doorknob (Neo)Vim question for you. Is there an easier way to send text to the terminal emulator in a split than to manually yank, swap windows, and paste?

@Doorknob Speaking of which, you're close to slipping out of the first row... ;)

@Sp3000 haha, yeah, only for like the 25th time

I should really do something about you guys catching up :P

Every time I surpass him, I can be pretty sure that when I check the next day he'll be ahead again :P

3:59 AM

Looking for dupes, any help? The challenge is converting HTML back to markdown (or chat-markdown anyway).

Swagbacklog:meta.stackexchange.com/questions/264222/…

If no dupes, is this a good title? Markdown the Markup for Marky Markov

@Geobits doubt it exists

@Geobits hahaha

The other Q&A site I visit sometimes has 50k-"rep" users on it, which absolutely blows my mind, because on that site upvotes are +3/+5 instead of +5/+10 and there's a limit of 5 upvotes per post (additional votes don't increase a user's score).

That last part is a little weird

4:02 AM

What swag is there? Just shirts/hats/mugs?

lots more

Cars?

Don't forget stickers. I've got a stack of gamedev stickers laying around somewhere.

for example, I have pens, retractable sharpies, stickers, a notebook, a drawing pad kajigger, and a Nalgene water bottle, just to name a few

oh, and a USB :D

Okay, there's actually a 60k user with over 34,000 posts!!!

4:05 AM

O_O

Kajigger?

yes

it is the official term

I just have a more moderate 2,700 posts on that site.

that I definitely didn't just make up

@Doorknob correct

4:09 AM

"thingamajig"

> Synonyms[edit]
gizmo
whatchamacallit
whatshumacallit
whatsitsname
widget
thing
thingamabob
thingy
hoobajoob
doojigger
doohickey
See also Wikisaurus:thingy

uh oh

We aren't beating computers at Go anymore

@NathanMerrill old news :P

true. that's like 2 weeks old now? 3?

ah my bad

didn't we have a discussion about it once?

4:10 AM

how do I go to the end of a line in vim?

$

man i don't even know how to scroll up and down...

How is that not just the 'end' button? Stupid vim

@Downgoat dd

@Doorknob but for that I have to exit insert mode

4:11 AM

j/k :P

@Downgoat yes, and...?

that's an extra two keypresses :(

> exit insert mode

@Quill That will delete the line

@quintopia chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=alphago&room=240 Kinda?

4:11 AM

@Geobits the end button works too but if you use it you should not be using vim :P

are you serious

@Downgoat why are you in insert mode in the first place

@AlexA. ;)

you are Doing It Wrong™

@Doorknob because I need to type things

4:12 AM

why do you need to type things and move around at the same time

@Quill That did not work ಠ_ಠ

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@Doorknob You mean there's a special-purpose button to do exactly what you want, but you shouldn't use it because you could press multiple buttons instead? Yea, that sounds totally sane.

51 secs ago, by Quill

@AlexA. ;)

@Geobits $ is one button

well... if you count shift...

Yea...

4:12 AM

@Doorknob because I'm a git commit message and I have to go to the end of the line to add some more stuff

I can't touch type End on my keyboard anyway. It's a tiny button and far away

@Downgoat A

enters insert mode at EOL

vim users be like "oh noes i need new buttons for this"

that works :D but still 2 keypresses

Caps lock everything

@Geobits huh, that works

4:14 AM

@Sp3000 hmm, must have been somewhere else

New TF2 Meta

Go soldier.
Equip the direct hit.
Engineer buildings are your new objective. Destroy them at all costs.
Enemy players are just obstacles in your path to the sentries.
Watch all the engies rage pyro.

hey, sandbox is protected again

134

Q: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

What is the Sandbox? This "Sandbox" is a place where Programming Puzzles & Code Golf (PPCG) users can get feedback on prospective challenges they wish to post to the main page. This is useful because writing a clear and fully specified challenge on the first try can be difficult. There is a much...

discussion featured sandbox

@Cyoce whats a "direct hit"

@AlexA. unnoticed by senpai ;-;

I can't unprotect, can somebody else?

4:20 AM

@Cyoce Not exactly new

@NathanMerrill it is?

yeah

@NathanMerrill Doesn't show as protected to me

Me either

@Downgoat a weapon

4:20 AM

I wonder why

^

caching XP

maybe one of you mods should ask a CM about making that post not be protected ever or something

39 mins ago, by Downgoat

http://shouldiblamecaching.com

I thought that already happened. This hasn't been happening except the last few days in quite a while that I've noticed.

Anonymous

4:22 AM

@NathanMerrill I swear I'm gonna murder Community one of these days

Anonymous

@Geobits Maybe it's a bonus graduation feature

Anonymous

"you're a real site now grow up and stop playing in the sandbox"

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A: What causes a question to be protected by the Community ♦ user

That specific question could be protected by the amount of views it generated or the total amount of answers, since protection kicked in whenever a question had over 10 answers or 10,000 views. Whatever happened first. Right now isn't like that, protection only kicks in: when 3 to 20 (depending...

Congratulations! Now let's get rid of that useful sandbox thing...

> whenever three low reputation users answers are deleted

oh

4:23 AM

Well yea, but why hasn't it been happening until the last couple days?

I think this is our culprit

Anonymous

Graduation bonus

wait, no, the first protection was 2 days ago

Mini-challenge: In a language you made, round an input int to the even number nearest 0. e.g. 0->0 1->0 -1->0 2->2 -2->-2 3->2 -3->-2, etc. (golf)

Can we just make another sandbox for now?

4:24 AM

@HelkaHomba -1 Unfair language restriction

Anonymous

Also a source: meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/8556/45941

@Maltysen IIRC that was attempted a while back but it caused fragmentation and chaos

@Geobits fine. Then in a language some known ppcg user made

So... with int math it's x/2*2?

Anonymous

@HelkaHomba Seriously, 4 bytes: ,½≈τ

Anonymous

4:27 AM

2,\τ also works for 4

I'd try, but "nearest to 0" is annoying :(

@AlexA. what do I do if I hit the wrong button in a review?

@GamrCorps Live with your shame.

Just kidding of course

But there's no undo

Mego wins!

Link?

4:30 AM

Tell people in chat so they can shame you?

@Sp3000 sign(n) * floor(abs(n) / 2) * 2

@AlexA. codegolf.stackexchange.com/review/low-quality-posts/28961

@Doorknob why is abs and sign nesscary?

1 min ago, by Sp3000

I'd try, but "nearest to 0" is annoying :(

just n//2 * 2 should be enough

4:31 AM

(Darn autotype)

if you have truncating integer division

trunc(n / 2) * 2 also works

oh, i see what you mean

I already said that :/

oh :P

ninja'd by several minutes

n//2*2 won't work in, say, Python (-3 -> -4)

4:32 AM

@AquaTart what makes it new is ignoring everything else. did I mention it's the most fun on mannpower (mode with grappling hooks)?

@Sp3000 Python gives -3//2 = -2 ? That seems strange to me.

@GamrCorps Okay, thanks for the link. Looks like Dennis has also taken notice and has left a comment for the OP. If the OP doesn't fix or delete then we can take care of it.

@AlexA. Ok thanks

@Geobits not python3

Oh, so it's just another "python2 is stupid" moment?

4:34 AM

pretty much

-3//2 = -2 for both Python 2 and 3 though...

That's incorrect. Python always rounds down.

ninja'd

oh srry, my bad

None of you made python anyway ;)

Python interpreters :/

4:36 AM

(-3/2).__trunc__()

^ works

Anonymous

For Python 3 it'd be lambda x:int(x/2)*2 for the shortest

I didn't make Julia either, but there's x->x÷2*2.

@Sp3000 Huh, that's good to know. If I ever ran into an issue with that in the wild, I'd be cursing until and for some duration after I learned that.

Anonymous

For Python 2 make it x/2.

@Mego Oh, int rounds towards zero?

Anonymous

4:37 AM

@Dennis It truncates, so yeah

docs.python.org/3/library/functions.html#int : "For floating point numbers, this truncates towards zero."

Anonymous

>>> int(-3/2)
-1

@Mego Now that won't work.

>>> (-3)/2
-2

Anonymous

Did I derp?

python 2 vs. 3

4:38 AM

Same thing.

no, division

x/2.

llama@llama:~$ python -c 'print(-3/2)'
-2
llama@llama:~$ python3 -c 'print(-3/2)'
-1.5

Well, it's -3//2 in Python 3, but the rounding behavior is the same.

Anonymous

Wait I'm being dumb what am I doing

Anonymous

4:40 AM

@Dennis The period on the end is part of the code

Anonymous

$ python2 -c 'print int(-3/2.)*2'
-2

Oh!

Anonymous

It's for 2., which is a float and thus will make it do float div

Ironic that to make it do int division "properly" (imo), you need to do float division :D

Yeah, I get that. It just looked like part of the sentence.

I didn't notice until now that you don't end your sentences with a dot...

4:43 AM

Technically, if you wanted to end that last sentence with a period, there should be four dots at the end :P

Now I can't stop noticing. Halp!

It's. better. to overuse. the.m. than un.deruse. th.em.

.ಠ._.ಠ.

My spell/grammar checker hates me right now.

Anonymous

Using diacritics correctly is not my fortÃ©.

4:44 AM

@Doorknob freckles

Anonymous

In internet chat, I rarely end my messages with periods

Anonymous

Only if I'm being super serious (which is almost never)

I read some sort of study about that a few months back.

Looking through the transcript, it seems that most people don't

Oh god, Geobits and I are pretty much the only ones who use periods... I hadn't noticed until now, but it will drive me crazy!

4:45 AM

hmmm... sometimes I capitalize the first letter of sentences; sometimes I don't. Sometimes I end with a period, and sometimes I don't O_o

Mini-ch-2: take in a string, append a ".", then print it

Anonymous

Even if there are multiple sentences, I don't end the last one with a period. It's a quirk I developed from IRC

Anonymous

@HelkaHomba '.,+

I don't end my sentences in periods, I end it in emoticons :(

@HelkaHomba +",

4:46 AM

@HelkaHomba Can it be "print input, print '.'" instead? :P

That OK. Emoticons are still punctuation.

Anonymous

lambda x:print(x+'.')

@HelkaHomba Rust: |s:&str|print!("{}.",s)

@HelkaHomba "."

@Dennis I think Rainbolt and Martin are usually pretty good about it, too.

4:47 AM

@Geobits if they're on the same line, sure.

@Dennis use a userscript too add periods? :P

;”.

@Dennis I use them sporadically.

For the haters:

void f(String a){System.out.print(a+'.');}

Snowman: }vg"."aCsP

4:48 AM

@Sp3000 Is that an emoticon or an answer?

@HelkaHomba Julia s->print(s".")

alternate Snowman: }vg"."ac|sp

It's a link/answer :P

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Q: Community is being Overprotective of the Sandbox

Recently @Community♦ has been constantly protecting our beloved Sandbox. Our rep threshold for meta has been decreased specifically to grant new users access to the Sandbox so they can post their proposed challenges. It seems that because of some new users deleting their sandbox posts or some...

feature-request sandbox

vim, 2 bytes: A.

well... depends on what qualifies as "print"

4:50 AM

@Sp3000 Oh :P blue dots look black

@Doorknob mind explaining?

}: enable variables b, e, g

vg: get line of input (vG also works)

which is stored in var b

".": store a period in var e

ac: array-concat—non-consume mode means this gets stored in var g

It works! \o/

| swaps b and g, so that sp can print b

The shorter version is just } enable variables, vg get input, "." get period, aC concat, consuming both args, sP print

Is there any way to dismiss notificarion in the new UI without refreshing?

Ah, posting a message does the trick.

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