Discussion between TylerH and Wad Cheber

8:35 PM

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What do we know about the intelligence of dragons? Is it portrayed differently in the books than in Game of Thrones? I’m specifically curious about the perceived/known intelligence of dragons when they were more numerous in the A Song of Ice and Fire world.

Wad Cheber

As smart as a small pony.

@randal'thor - Ever seen a dragon kill anyone? For that matter, ever seen a dragon at all?

TylerH

@WadCheber The frame of reference on this page is clearly "within the world of A Song of Ice and Fire", not real life.

Wad Cheber

@TylerH - The funniest thing about this is that you think I was being even remotely serious. For future reference, when someone says a dragon is as strong as a small pony, they are probably joking.

TylerH

@WadCheber I didn't think you were being serious, just annoyingly off-topic.

Wad Cheber

That would be why I didn't post it as an answer. But now I'm puzzled as to why you responded in such a serious manner if you knew I was joking.

TylerH

8:35 PM

@WadCheber In hopes of curtailing the behavior.

Wad Cheber

@TylerH - Keep hoping.

TylerH

@WadCheber I see that you're very new to the network. Stack Exchange sites are not "forums" where open-ended discussion is appropriate. Comments on questions and answers are transient; they are for garnering extra useful information about a question, or pointing out a problem that needs fixing. When you post conversational comments that are pure jokes and do nothing but derail the question and add noise, that's a problem.

Wad Cheber

@TylerH - And pointless babble about jokes being off topic doesn't? You turned a single comment into a lengthy conversation. Physician heal thyself.

TylerH

@WadCheber While the flags are outstanding and the chatroom creation prompt has yet to appear, yes. Normally it doesn't take so long to guide new users on proper comment etiquette.

Wad Cheber

@TylerH I follow the lead of older users. Jokes are quite common in comments on questions. I'm surprised you haven't noticed that yet. Get off your high horse and give it a rest. You're not accomplishing anything.

TylerH

8:35 PM

@WadCheber Might doesn't make right. Jokes are common but that doesn't make them on-topic. Bad questions are common too, do we want those to stay? That's not a good measure for something's appropriateness. I'll explain that my comment was based on me noticing a huge uptick in comment noise since you joined. I understand that you might feel limited to just asking/answering in the massive amounts of time per day you spend here, but comments really are for a specific purpose. Please respect that when someone asks you to stop adding noise.

Wad Cheber

@TylerH - I'll do me. You do you. If you're going to bring up who has been here longer, you don't get to say it doesn't matter who has been here longer. The comments that earned me a Pundit badge were all jokes. You're not the god of SE, and until you are, I see no reason to try to please you. If you don't like joke comments, complain about all of them, not just this one. Here's a link to get you started. Go complain to phantom.

TylerH

@WadCheber It's not a matter of pleasing me or painting false pictures. It's a matter of the site's community and architecture. The tour page says "Use comments to ask for more information or clarify a question or answer.", and the comments help page provides further instructions on when to comment.

Wad Cheber

None of your comments did those things. And I frequently see mods and the top tier users making jokes n comments. The issue isn't as big as you're making it.

Again, go complain about phantom42's jokes.

Or Richard's.

Or Mooz's.

TylerH

I flag any comments that I see that are causing problems

there's a big precedent by Shog to really only deal with problematic rule breaking for the most part

Wad Cheber

You are responsible for turning a single comment into an extremely long off topic conversation

TylerH

8:39 PM

@WadCheber Let's be fair, we are equally responsible for the length of the conversation

However, a single joke or not-perfectly-ideal comment here or there is one thing, but in a short time I seem to encounter comments by you on all the questions I open

and they're never doing what comments are supposed to do

Wad Cheber

No, I would not have made another comment if you hadn't taken it upon yourself to be the comment police

TylerH

@WadCheber I can't have a comment conversation with myself.

You are the other participant in a two-person comment conversation

You responded to me six times

that's six times you continued the conversation

Wad Cheber

What questions? There are none in your profile

And the question we were commenting on was opened by someone else

TylerH

@WadCheber "questions I open" means questions on the site that I click on to open

not questions that I have asked

Wad Cheber

Which means that you don't contribute anything, you just come here to complain about comments?

How very useful of you

Let it go. I participate in the site. I haven't heard anyone else complaining about me. This is a you problem, not a me problem

TylerH

8:45 PM

@WadCheber Quit trying to build a straw man argument

My contributions have nothing to do with your following the rules or not

Wad Cheber

Quit trying to build an argument where there is none

TylerH

You are causing harmful noise in comment threads

that's a problem

Wad Cheber

The rules actually forbid users from taking without giving back.

TylerH

It's distracting from the question and from useful comments and creating noise

Wad Cheber

Says the noisiest guy in the room

Which comment got upvoted? The one you're bitching about

TylerH

8:47 PM

If you can't focus on the topic at hand, and will just be sticking to straw men and ad hominem attacks, then I won't continue the discussion here with you.

Wad Cheber

Which of my comments get the most upvotes? The jokes.

which comments always get the most upvotes? The jokes.

The only person who has a problem here is you. Again, that makes this a you problem, not a me problem

TylerH

You should stop trying to justify your actions with me.

Wad Cheber

You should stop trying to control my actions.

TylerH

It's clear you are misusing comments according to all the text about comments the site has to offer.

Wad Cheber

Clear to you. Everyone else seems to be fine with it.

The best course of action for you is to get over it. There are more important problems in the world than my comments.

TylerH

8:51 PM

You seem to be conflating "it's common" with "it's allowed by the rules"

When should I comment?

You should submit a comment if you want to:

Request clarification from the author;
Leave constructive criticism that guides the author in improving the post;
Add relevant but minor or transient information to a post (e.g. a link to a related question, or an alert to the author that the question has been updated).

Was your comment any of those things? No

When shouldn't I comment?

Comments are not recommended for any of the following:

Suggesting corrections that don't fundamentally change the meaning of the post; instead, make or suggest an edit;

Answering a question or providing an alternate solution to an existing answer; instead, post an actual answer (or edit to expand an existing one);

Compliments which do not add new information ("+1, great answer!"); instead, up-vote it and pay it forward;

Criticisms which do not add anything constructive ("-1, see previous comments you scallywag!"); instead, down-vote (and provide or up-vote a b…

Wad Cheber

You seem to be obsessed with other people breaking the rules while you yourself ignore more important rules, like the one that says users who take without giving back get suspended.

TylerH

I admit, I should've brought this to chat sooner rather than continue in comments for so long; I thought at first it needed 200 rep to make a chatroom, but it's actually 100

@WadCheber I haven't taken anything, and I in fact have given

My reputation is not at 1

But this isn't about me, no matter how much you want it to be

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Wad Cheber

One answer. You're a real hero.

No, it is all about you. You're the one playing comment police

Are we done here?

The guy with 7,000 rep in 2 months is getting tired of being lectured by the guy with 100 rep in over a year.

You just made me refer to rep. I feel dirty now.

My advice is that you should probably just ignore me. The only complaint I have heard is yours. That suggests that, as I said, this is a you problem, not a me problem.

Have a nice day.

TylerH

9:11 PM

Sorry, I'm busy writing a meta question

@WadCheber You've only been around two months

not a lot of time for complaints to build up

that comment was the first one I saw by you (out of many) that prompted a response

Wad Cheber

Well, everyone in Mos Eisley seems to think I'm doing nothing wrong. Which supports my belief that this is a you problem, not a me problem.

I wish you the best, but I'm done with this conversation. It's pointless. You've made your point. I disagree. That's all there is to it.

Michael Edenfield

9:33 PM

Before you write up a meta question, please make sure it is not a duplicate of this one:

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Q: What should we do about "funny" comments?

Sometimes people post jokey comments under questions and answers. Sometimes they're funny, sometimes not. What should we do about them? It seems (based on this conversation) that moderators are obliged to delete them if they flagged as "too chatty",1 which apparently has been the case recently. ...

discussion comments joke

That is all.

Wad Cheber

@TylerH - I was just about to post that link. The consensus was that comments were not intended for jokes, but the site benefits from a certain degree of levity to make it less boring and impersonal. Note that, in this question about joke comments, mods actually made jokes in the comments. Ergo, joke comments are perfectly acceptable and even beneficial to the atmosphere of the site.

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