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12:08 AM
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@DragonLord: meh, people err.
I dropped out of uni twice
And had a ton of trouble the third time.
We don't rewrite our code. We dynamically adjust to situations based on what we know.
Don't forget tho, at the end of the day, you watch out for yourself first.
 
I predict a collapse of the University system. A degree today isn't a guarantee of a successful career, its not even a guarantee you will get a job, it doesn't even guarantee you will get a job in your career. What will replace it I can't predict I just know, they have made it so easy to get a degree, having one is nearly meaningless.
 
Ew. Are you guys talking about important things?
 
can we talk about people can't read a question I felt was well explained and focus on everything that I specifically said was working over at SO?
Now I have to go through the question and repeat myself 5 times, indicating that, what I have does indeed work and I don't need help getting it to work but want to understand certain behavior.
 
Welcome to Asking-Questions-On-The-Internet.
If you don't learn to accept that people can't read, you'll shave years off your life with stress.
I think the saying is, "Face palm and carry on." Or something.
 
12:25 AM
@Ramhound: yes and no
I think the problem was partially me, and partially the system
and a mismatch of learning styles.
(ended up doing the degree I finished in a place that ran courses for an overseas uni, so smaller classes which worked great for me, and most lecturers were actually also working elsewhere so different styles)
I also had personal issues
And I felt I picked up some useful skills from my failed attempts
 
My comment was outside of your statement. I have thought that for awhile. I worked with people on a class project, I kid you not, computer science seniors ready to graduated within 48 hours couldn't print text to a website.
 
The problem I see is people get degrees they don't need, in unrelated fields to what they do, and that affects what people learn
hah.
 
I couldn't even give them busy work without worrying about the quality :$
 
For example, for me a good way to learn programming would be full stack
start by laying out a project, then teaching the basics of the programming language you use, and then how it interacts with the db and so on
Basically work you through a project so you see how everything fits
 
That doesn't teach them the syntax. You learn the syntax and you can literally do anything in a programming language.
 
12:30 AM
Most unis will teach you programming and databases and so on
@Ramhound: "the basics of the programming language" covers syntax
I mean, basically teach you to write something, in its entirity, and why things are done a certain way.
 
1:07 AM
Holly Cow
SO was actually helpful for once :$
Here I was ready to put them on my sh double hockystick list :$
 
@Ramhound A degree is really only useful for your first job in that field.
 
 
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2:32 AM
@MichaelFrank: It really should be somewhere you pick up skills IMO
I did, accidentally
 
2:51 AM
Due to my parent's demands, I must suspend contributions to Stack Exchange. I will log out on all devices shortly.
I have actually been asked to delete my accounts because my activities have apparently costed my my job, but I do not intend to do so.
I hope to be back soon, but I ask that my Stack Exchange accounts not be deleted as I have participated in good faith over the last four years.
I do not know how long it will take for me to come back.
I am very sorry, but I am not able to continue contributing at this time. I am trying to strike a compromise and must temporarily leave Stack Exchange.
Please see the updated profile.
 
3:31 AM
@DragonLord Hope to see you back soon dude.
 
3:52 AM
That feels wrong.
 
That I expect to pick up skills or that it was accidental? ;p
 
@JourneymanGeek Nah, the whole DL situation.
 
That's kinda entirely fucked up.
 
But anyway, did you mean that Uni is a place you should pick up skills? I didn't quite get what you meant by that.
 
It should be. It isn't generally IMO ;p
 
4:07 AM
Ahh, yea gotcha.
 
@JourneymanGeek imgur.com/gallery/XXmyN
 
4:23 AM
seen that. Barbaric innit.
 
weeerd
 
5:14 AM
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6:40 AM
Heh, there's an oscar and a bafta at work's reception areas.
 
6:51 AM
Grab them!
We've seen nothing
And we won't tell
 
7:10 AM
Has anyone ever seen something like this?
It's related to symlinks
As in strider-gitlab and strider-git are both symlinked into that location from other sources
Seems like I have to drop the symlink to strider-git in the original location of strider-gitlab, not the location where it's symlinked into
Jeeze...
Alright, the verdict is in, symlinks on Windows are retarded
 
Or maybe it's just Node that can't properly work with symlinks on Windows
Either way, it's stupid
 
7:28 AM
I'm tempted to blame node ;p
On the account of it being hipsterscript javascript
 
7:58 AM
Node is pretty darn nice :P
 
lol. (I'm also of the opinion servers need to be run on an appropriate platform... but I've run node on windows 7 to mess with dispatch-proxy so...)
 
8:29 AM
Erm
$reason = $csv[6];
So that should have the value from the array in $reason?
I echo reason and get 'Array' D:
(php) and it's making me feel like I'm crazy.
 
9:01 AM
rugh was using wrong variable, sigh :D
 
 
Bob
9:58 AM
o.O
@JourneymanGeek I think I found the perfect rollerball to try => penaddict.com/blog/2015/2/5/…
if all goes well... I can get away from pen leaks -_-
 
Bob
looks like OW has some
but it might not be the cartridge version...
 
10:17 AM
Yeah, tho a regular v5 wouldn't be that hard to convert
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek I'd rather one that accepts a Pilot converter already :P
A regular one might be usable as an eyedropper, but if it doesn't have the cartridge attachment then that's about all you can do with it.
 
Oh, I was thinking what I did with the vpens ;p
(but neater, make a hole in the rear, seal it up)
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek The whole point is to reduce leaks! :P
 
10:37 AM
hm. something just happened
 
argh
jquery/javascript makes smiley crazy.
I cannot for the life of me get it to print out the progress of this script
 
Bob
12:00 PM
@JourneymanGeek is the something alright now?
 
naw
Aircon units in the server room are on the fritz
 
12:20 PM
yikes.
 
Bob
o.O
 
They did something and its cooler now
 
12:44 PM
Morning
Also Grrr
close as duplicate -> This question does not have an upvoted or accepted answer
 
1:08 PM
Does anyone know a Windows tool that monitors clipboard contents?
Directly dumping them to a file would be even more awesome
 
Nope (but others still might)
 
hi
@OliverSalzburg problem is, the native clipboard API does not have a notification system, so when the clipboard changes, there's no synchronization... unless your polling rate is as frequent as the kernel's tick rate, it's entirely possible that an app might push something to the clipboard then delete it or change it before your "monitoring" program ever sees it
any higher level APIs that claim notification of change support are just polling with some arbitrarily chosen frequency
actually, scratch that -- even if your app is waking up as frequently as the kernel poll rate, it's still entirely possible that another app might get scheduling priority long enough to write to and then change the clipboard before you see it
but it's far more likely to be the case if your polling frequency isn't on the order of 150 Hz
 
Bob
@allquixotic ...yes there is
 
@Bob @_@ really? last time I investigated this, I was stuck polling
 
Bob
@allquixotic pre-Vista you had the good ol' chain
when one program in the chain died, everything after it was lost :P
Vista+, IIRC the OS will send out broadcast messages
 
1:23 PM
window messages?
 
Bob
ya
 
aha
 
Bob
oh there it is, SetClipboardViewer
wait, that was the old one
> Clipboard viewer windows receive a WM_DRAWCLIPBOARD message whenever the content of the clipboard changes.
> Minimum supported client
Windows 2000 Professional [desktop apps only]
> The windows that are part of the clipboard viewer chain, called clipboard viewer windows, must process the clipboard messages WM_CHANGECBCHAIN and WM_DRAWCLIPBOARD. Each clipboard viewer window calls the SendMessage function to pass these messages to the next window in the clipboard viewer chain.
the new one is AddClipboardFormatListener
> When a window has been added to the clipboard format listener list, it is posted a WM_CLIPBOARDUPDATE message whenever the contents of the clipboard have changed.
> Minimum supported client
Windows Vista [desktop apps only]
@allquixotic pretty sure I first learned this from oldnewthing :P
> In Vista and Longhorn Server (LHS) our friends in USER32 added some new system APIs which implement a system-controlled viewer chain. No longer do applications have to contend with managing the chain! The system now maintains a list of applications which want to be notified of updates to the clipboard, and when the clipboard is updated, the system goes and tells each one that the clipboard contents have changed.
 
> our friends in USER32
there's a "USER32 group" of engineers?
meh... I guess so, for a library that practically makes the world turn
most-linked-to libraries in the world: msvcrt.dll, kernel32.dll, user32.dll, and Linux's libc.6.so
(in no particular order)
 
Bob
@allquixotic I was actually writing something with the clipboard a couple years ago
which was when I looked all this up :P
oh here it is
 
1:29 PM
aha
 
Bob
was an auto-upload to imgur when an image was placed in the clipboard
...never did finish it
 
I just use EasyImgur :P
alt+printscr, right click on easyimgur, upload from clipboard, wait, Ctrl+V
or from webpages, for pesky sites that disallow hotlinking: right click, Copy Image, right click on easyimgur, upload from clipboard, Ctrl+V
 
Bob
@allquixotic I'm using it now, but I don't really like it
 
@Bob ah
 
Bob
@allquixotic but this was three years ago before I even knew it existed :P
more recently, just last month, I did an imgur upload from command line...
that was ehwn you told me about EasyImgur
been using it for a while now... it works, but not all that well :\
 
1:32 PM
works well for me, shrug
it's open source if you want to fix something :P github.com/bkeiren/EasyImgur
 
Bob
@allquixotic yea, when I have time :P
the backend is alright, but the UI needs a lot of work
(e.g. no easy way to copy links, ctrl+a doesn't work in the link textbox, click on notification balloon doesn't copy link...)
 
@Bob there's a setting to automatically copy the direct link to the image when it finishes uploading
 
Bob
@allquixotic ya, but I prefer to click on a balloon
 
-_-
 
Bob
I don't always want it in my clipboard
 
Bob
2:05 PM
o.O
I forgot Truecrypt was being audited
Apparently the audit is complete and they didn't find anything significantly wrong with it
 
2:25 PM
Going to buy something using bitcoins, what happens if you don't process the transaction within the 15mins specifies by bitpay
 
@allquixotic Polling would be fine though. I don't need extreme precision, I just want to capture everything support engineers copy to their clipboard during remote sessions
Writing scrambled content back would be a bonus, but isn't required
 
Bob
3:13 PM
@OliverSalzburg AddClipboardFormatListener is pretty easy to use, no need to poll
I can give you the C# code I had that uses it, if you want :P
Pretty sure there's existing programs that do that too
 
3:30 PM
@Bob Would be cool if there was something I could just run without writing any code. I'm lazy with this
So I was just in a call with this tech support guy from some anti-spam/anti-virus product we deployed for a client on their Exchange server
After it's finally installed, I ask him a few questions about the default behavior, because I don't want the whole company up my ass tomorrow morning
"So, what's the default behavior regarding spam?" - "It's deleted." - "Okay, so where can I see a log of what was deleted?" - "Nowhere. It's spam, why would you want it logged?"
O__o
 
Bob
@OliverSalzburg Depends what you want it to do.
There's clipboard monitoring programs out there, of course.
@OliverSalzburg s/deleted/quarantined/ please!
 
@Bob Grab sensitive information people copy to their clipboard while they are in a remote session with me
@Bob That was the first configuration change I made
 
Bob
@OliverSalzburg wait, could you lay it out in more detail?
What kind of remote session?
Which side of the connection is the target?
What should it do with said information?
 
@Bob Like, I RDP into a server, our clipboards are synced. Now someone else uses TeamViewer or whatever to connect to the server as well, because they're trying to help me with a tech issue. Now we have a 3-way sync going on
And the most amazing shit always turns up in my clipboard
I usually code on the second screen and that's how I noticed
Sometimes it's even files :D
 
Bob
Oh how evil.
Nah, files wouldn't work.
 
3:35 PM
They do!
 
Bob
Files are not actually stored in the clipboard.
A reference to the file is stored, then it moves/copies on the paste action.
 
Once my clipboard content was gone, I knew because it was a snippet of code, but no text would paste at all. So I opened Explorer and pasted a file
You're probably right
 
Bob
And the syncing would be performed by each remote access tool's server/client programs... as far as clipboard monitoring goes, you just look at the local clipboard.
 
Right
I have no idea how the components interact. I only know that pretty interesting shit is going on with the clipboard whenever I lure tech support people onto our servers
 
Bob
anyway, if you want the C# clipboard listener boilerplate, I can give that to you
dumping text to file is easy
images and/or other files? not too difficult
 
3:45 PM
Well, if you can put it on GitHub, that wouldn't hurt. But I just started contributing to a new project and can't code much more right now
 
Bob
@OliverSalzburg I can't even remember if this works or not :P
Judging by the file mod date, this was one of the earlier projects I attempted
You're probably better off just using this directly :P
 
Bob
4:08 PM
O_O
:O
urk
> After reviewing these alternatives, the PowerShell team realized the best option will be for our team to adopt an industry proven solution while providing tight integration with Windows; a solution that Microsoft will deliver in Windows while working closely with subject matter experts across the planet to build it. Based on these goals, I’m pleased to announce that the PowerShell team will support and contribute to the OpenSSH community
.
That's better
ChatMarkdown can do die in a fire
 
Ugh, my silent boot app broke with the recent security settings update, I think. It no longer reenables the sound after a reboot
 
4:24 PM
@Bob Great, but will they "not" embed "bugs" or "backdoors" for No Such Agency?
 
Bob
@CanadianLuke If you're concerned about that, stop using the OS entirely.
If the OS is compromised, it doesn't matter if you use <OSS SSH program>.
 
Playing devils advocate, not saying I'm gonna stop using it
But if they're contributing to OpenSSH as a whole...
 
Bob
@CanadianLuke And the NSA contributes directly to SELinux. Your point being?
 
Trust issues, especially not being an American
 
Bob
What you seem to be missing is it doesn't matter if Microsoft is contributing to OpenSSH, as far as governments inserting backdoors go.
Anyone can contribute.
They could send some employee to contribute under their own name.
 
4:28 PM
Understandable.
 
Bob
They could be secretly bribing Bruce Schneier for all you know.
Microsoft contributing to OpenSSH is no riskier than any other random person doing so.
 
Spacechem voor $1.00 on gog.
 
4:57 PM
Cool
A proper Siri?
 
@Bob O__O
 
Bob
...could a mod edit that starred message to say it's about SSH?
ChatMarkdown won the battle :(
 
@Bob Which one?
"After reviewing these alternatives..."?
 
Bob
@CanadianLuke yea
 
@CanadianLuke perhaps :D
 
Bob
5:07 PM
Maybe > [Microsoft announced plans to integrate OpenSSH into PowerShell]()
because I really cbf trying to get that long line working -_-
ah, that works
thanks
 
Welcome. That'll cost you a 50-point bounty on one of my answers ;) JK
 
 
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8:08 PM
@HackToHell holy crap
 
8:18 PM
@HackToHell so, people in unnamed alphabet agencies do not know how to use the internet
I should see this as something positive, but actually it makes me kinda sad
 
 
1 hour later…
9:33 PM
Was there ever some information about why TrueCrypt shut down?
 
@OliverSalzburg some sneaky message somewhere on their site that led people to believe they were issued a NSD
 
Meh
\o/
Merge all the pull requests!
 
!! s/all/the vast majority of/
 
@allquixotic Merge the vast majority of the pull requests! (source)
 
Stop raining on my parade!
 
9:39 PM
 
I don't know what to say
 
9:51 PM
@OliverSalzburg here you go!
 
 
2 hours later…
11:39 PM
blah.WTF firefox
I don't want pocket integration
 

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