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8:08 AM
prime minister ^^^
 
@DavidCarlisle LOL
 
That seemed to be a promising site, unfortunately many links are outdated unifont.org/fontguide
 
 
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9:35 AM
@DavidCarlisle And who's the one on the left, in front of the policeman?
 
9:55 AM
@egreg Do you use Textmate?
 
@egreg don't know, I think I saw him on the TV once.
 
Hi @DavidCarlisle
 
@Alenanno hi
@etex did you try my test document on xetex list?
 
David, what editor do you use?
 
@Alenanno are there choices of editor? emacs
 
10:03 AM
Yes there are. :D I'm using Textmate at the moment. I wanted to switch to Atom but the Latex bundle is still buggy and its infancy so I'm waiting. Atom look über-awesome.
 
@Alenanno I've used emacs almost every day since 1987, so other editors all fail a basic usability test if they don't work the same way
 
@DavidCarlisle Maybe you might discover better usability in other editors. :P
I don't know emacs, I'm just throwing hypotheses at you. :P
@DavidCarlisle But actually I was asking because in mine % !TEX program = XeLaTeX does not work, but for others it does.
I think @egreg uses it, so I wanted to ask him if I was doing something wrong.
 
10:33 AM
@Alenanno That's for TeXworks
 
@egreg Also for Textmate according to this: tex.stackexchange.com/a/84687/4778
 
Good maen
 
@Alenanno the first comment there says space isn't allowed in textmate, you have spaces in your example above
 
Still throws an error. :/
 
@Alenanno main error being that it isn't emacs:-)
 
10:47 AM
@Alenanno I have it on my machine, but I never use it. Its scripting is amazingly complicated to modify.
 
@DavidCarlisle Ahah :P
 
@egreg Lots of Mac users speak very highly of it
 
@egreg Well, I'm only waiting for Atom to be more reliable.
@JosephWright I like it, it has n+1 bundles. :D
 
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Q: Contributing to texexample --- error?

RmanoI was trying to submit a graphic to texexample ( as suggested in How can I contribute to others with examples ), but I repeatedly receive this from the contact page: Am I doing something wrong? PS I understand this is not strictly relatex to tex.sx but I tend to consider texexample.net a ne...

Off-Topic?
 
@ChristianHupfer Yes
 
10:58 AM
@JosephWright ;-)
 
 
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12:00 PM
how do i add space to the top and bottom captions of a table? I'm using book class, can use whatever though (i only have to do this table). Using this post tex.stackexchange.com/questions/58674/… the top caption is spaced, but I want to space out both the top and the bottom captions.
 
@baxx Package caption helps you. I guess \captionsetup[figure]{skip=10pt} will do it for figures.
 
@Johannes_B thanks - just found out about above and below skip :)
 
@baxx \setlength\abovecaptionskip{3in} (or same with below instead of above)
 
@DavidCarlisle I give up on this one ...
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Q: Bibliography Printing without Numbers - TikzPoster

The GuyWhen attempting to print references in a block, there are no reference numbers to link to the citations. main.tex \documentclass[25pt, portrait, margin=0in, innermargin=1in, colspace=1in, subcolspace=1in, blockverticalspace=1in]{tikzposter} \usepackage[backend=bibtex,style=numeric,sorting=none...

The block contents are written in a box and this box is printed in a tikz node. I couldn't build up an MWE tough. Hacking down, there is still a lot tikz-foo going on.
 
12:19 PM
@Johannes_B so you get [1] for the first and nothing for 2 and 3?
 
@DavidCarlisle Yep
 
@Johannes_B biblatex and tikz, why did you ping me?:-) First is @JosephWright and second is @egreg
 
@DavidCarlisle You have been the first that caught my eye :-)
 
@Johannes_B I've never used either..
 
If any Tikz/Beamerposter user wants to pick it up chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/21514135#21514135
@DavidCarlisle Wow, tikzpicture sets a center environment \AtBeginDocument and closes it \AtEndDocument. Commenting this one out, the labels appear.
 
12:32 PM
@Alenanno -- when one has used emacs for as long as @DavidCarlisle has (i've used it even longer, since 1979), the commands are no longer in one's conscious brain; they're in one's fingers, and switching to a different input convention (even the one for this chat) leads to too many unrecoverable errors and the need to start over after losing many minutes, even hours, of work. just not worth the effort and frustration to retrain one's fingers.
 
@DavidCarlisle vvvvvvvvv that supposed to happen?
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{biblatex}
\addbibresource{biblatex-examples.bib}
\begin{document}
	\cite{ctan,companion} \cite{aristotle:physics}
\newbox\testbox
\begin{center}
    \setbox\testbox=\hbox{
        \parbox{8cm}{%
	\printbibliography[heading=none]
            \par\normalsize}%
    }%
\usebox\testbox
\end{center}
\end{document}
@JosephWright ^^^^^^
 
I haven't a working biber...
INFO - Found 3 citekeys in bib section 0
Use of uninitialized value $llabel in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.14/Biber.pm line 664.
 
@DavidCarlisle oh
 
@Johannes_B but if I add [backend=bibtex] and use bibtex I see (just) [1]
 
@DavidCarlisle biblatex somehow messes up. Works with plain LaTeX.
 
12:38 PM
@Johannes_B it works if \printbibliography[heading=none] is moved after the \end{center}
 
@DavidCarlisle Does not occur with \centering
 
@barbarabeeton Eheh yes I understand. But for example, I've used Textmate for years (don't know since when exactly) but now I discovered another program which is free, Atom and it's completely customizable (the program look itself can be changed through CSS), so... I'll wait until its Latex bundle is good and I'll switch. Textmate is good enough for now. :D
 
@Johannes_B yes well center (unlike \centering) is a list and nested lists require care....
 
@DavidCarlisle Right, so in the end, it boils down to this:
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage[backend=bibtex]{biblatex}
\addbibresource{biblatex-examples.bib}
\begin{document}
	\cite{ctan,companion} \cite{aristotle:physics}
\begin{center}
	\printbibliography[heading=none]
\end{center}
\end{document}
 
@Alenanno you don't understand editor customisation until you've tried emacs. it's customisation language is powerful enough to write mail readers, text web browsers, symbolic algebra systems, a validating xml parser, ....
 
12:44 PM
@Alenanno In case you don't need a second full operating system in disguise, use vim ;-)
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@DavidCarlisle The last version is 24.5? Talk about long lived software :D
@Johannes_B Are you referring to TextMate?
 
@Alenanno no, emacs
 
@Johannes_B \begin{center}\mbox{}\vspace{-\baselineskip}
 
@DavidCarlisle Why exactly does this help?
 
1:01 PM
Is it just me or the site is slow for everybody?
 
@egreg Also for me.
 
@egreg: No, I can't detect an issue. Business (speed) as usual
 
@ChristianHupfer @Alenanno For me pages load very slowly and I can't vote on questions.
 
@egreg: Well @DavidCarlisle will be sad to hear that you can't upvote his answers ;-) But seriously spoken: It's as usual
 
@Johannes_B because it you add \tracingmacros=1 and then ediff the files (a useful emacs feature) you find it starts to go wrong at \if@inlabel \@noparitemtrue ie the bibliography is being set at the point latex has just seen \item but hasn't yet set that item so things are held back to (eg) add a bullet point at the start of the next paragraph. the \mbox{} just gets that out of the way so the references start in the -second_ paragraph of the center not the first.
 
1:19 PM
@DavidCarlisle Now %!TEX TS-program=XeLaTeX works. I checked this option "Use Latexmk", and now it works.
 
1:30 PM
@Alenanno I've personally taken a look at Atom, Sublime, Textmate, vim, VS, etc., etc., etc.,and I can say with confidence that emacs is by far the best I've ever used. (LaTeX made me realize how interested I am in the entire authoring process -- study of editing goes hand-in-hand with that.)
That's not to say any of these editors are bad (except, of course, in the case of vim ;)), but emacs is better for every serious author's task I can think of.
I want to distinguish this idea of 'author's editor' from 'programmer's editor', though. Programming is a very specific task -- one that demands an efficient workflow -- and everyone's workflow is different. Vim happens to be very good with a terminal/multiplexer-based workflow. Some graphical editors can make XML-based languages much easier to work with. Emacs can certainly do all of these things, but there are too many things to say it's unilaterally the best tool for every job.
That is, until somebody implements it in elisp ;)
But for authoring, the project management tools available in emacs paired with the myriad of text format modes and search/navigation functionality make emacs the end-all-be-all for serious authors. (And if you think Word et al. would be better, you have another think coming: fluff.info/terrible.)
 
@DavidCarlisle Feel free to edit :-) tex.stackexchange.com/questions/243665/…
 
@barbarabeeton I use a database-integrated editor at work -- something Emacs will need to be taught how to do when I have the time -- so I've had to deal with those 'unrecoverable errors' many times. For whatever reason, I always go back to the beginning of the line when I save in emacs. don't ask me why -- I don't know. Unfortunately, this means C-a C-x C-s -- select all, kill, and save.
 
@SeanAllred gg:wq? Or rather ggZZ?
 
@Johannes_B Believe it or not, C-a C-x C-s rolls off the fingers much easier :)
 
@SeanAllred Not sure about that ;-) I even have a bash alias for exit -> :q
 
1:44 PM
@Johannes_B What's wrong with C-d?
 
@SeanAllred Oh, didn't know that one ... Thanks :-)
 
@SeanAllred -- where's the "kill"? (no C-k) by the way, fix your previous comment to take the period out of the end of the link for fluff.info -- that only yields a 404.
 
@Johannes_B Virtually all terminals use GNU readline, an emacs-based input utility :) These things come in handy.
@barbarabeeton Alas, I cannot :( Too much time has passed, so here's a new link: fluff.info/terrible
 
Am i right in thinking that `_` doesn't have to be escaped as `\_` if it's within a bib section author = {http://www.thephuketnews.com/photo/listing/1364792284\_1.jpg},
title = {Motion capture},
 
And @barbarabeeton: C-x is kill/cut under CUA
 
1:48 PM
@SeanAllred You would have great pleasure with my system. emacs aliases to vim. :-p
 
@baxx Best way to find out is to try it.
 
@SeanAllred I seem to have broke it either way at the mo :P If I escape all the underscores with `` it doesn't seem to print the bib at all, so was just wondering if this was a thing or not
 
@Johannes_B If I'm not mistaken, vim has a terminal emulator, so I'll just use emacs there :) I'm a developer -- knowledge of vim is effectively a prereq. Doesn't mean I have to like it :)
 
I keep telling myself I'll try emacs[spacemacs] properly, keep using Vim... hey ho.
 
@yo' @ChristianHupfer Did you guys realize, that different pictures where meant? latex-community.org/forum/…
 
1:52 PM
@baxx you're giving an image as the author? in general I'd expect it does have to be escaped except for special filed like url where the value is known to be a special and escaping can be automatic
 
@SeanAllred --- er, what is CUA? (admission: i use "raw" emacs, since i have to deal with too many other users who may have their keys programmed in different ways. if i tailor my keyboard permanently, my fingers get too used to it, and i end up corrupting other people's work when i have to sit down in front of their workstations to help, and that's not appreciated.)
 
@barbarabeeton windows
@barbarabeeton he just means that if you type emacs keystrokes into a "typical windows application" they do the wrong thing.
 
@DavidCarlisle apparently so... changing that so something sensible has stopped the errors >.< thanks :)
 
@barbarabeeton CUA, in user experience speak, is Common User Access -- it's things like C-p for print, C-a for select-all, C-s for save, C-c for copy, etc. I also use raw emacs in that sense -- I haven't rebound any of the fundamental operations -- but I do have a lot of packages :)
 
@barbarabeeton, @SeanAllred what are we doing here chatting to vim users?
 
1:54 PM
@DavidCarlisle Evangelism.
 
@DavidCarlisle -- yes, i know that effect only too well. but it doesn't tell me what the acronym (another unknown TLA) expands to.
 
@SeanAllred I guess we have as much chance of success as the Scottish labour party
 
I like vim even better than cookies.
 
@Johannes_B You must not like cookies very much.
@DavidCarlisle Ha! I have to say that I have had a lot of success in person.
 
@SeanAllred Me <3 cookies. COOOKIES
3
 
1:58 PM
I really like the idea of Emacs, about it being an environment and stuff... But I never have enough reason to change over, vim does things fine at the mo do I just carry on :P
 
@baxx Like the proverbial Word user who says 'I've been getting along fine all this time', you don't know what you're missing. :)
 
@SeanAllred yeah totally ha, but I have UltiSnips setup, iabbrevs for typos and stuff, when I see things like the OrgMode tables and that it doesn't really give me any envy tbh.
 
@baxx Yasnippet, dabbrev (or just abbrev, but I don't make tpyos)
@baxx The real advantage honestly comes with project management. What's your occupation?
Rather, what do you use vim for?
 
@SeanAllred I haven't tried most of those, but I tried Atom and I'm liking it. The problem is that the Latex package is still being developed but I can wait. :D
 
(Also, wait a sec, brain blast, are you __baxx__?)
@Alenanno If you're into LaTeX, lots of people on this thread use emacs. This is my workflow: reddit.com/r/LaTeX/comments/2tzk1f/…
 
2:10 PM
@SeanAllred yeah baxx :) I use Vim for Python, writing LaTeX, some Processing. Project management sounds like an interesting angle, I'm not too sure how It would affect me personally. I don't really have large projects at the moment though, no more than a few dirs or so... The thing is with Yasnippet and that, UltiSnips is decent, so I'm not going to budge for another snip programme when this one does the job :)
 
@baxx I'll have to try out UltiSnips to see what the workflow is, but I can't imagine it's much different from Yasnippet.
 
@SeanAllred probably not - but I guess that's kinda my point ha
 
@baxx Well then, my point is that you likely wouldn't notice the difference :) It's a net-zero topic where other points for (and against) emacs may exist.
 
@SeanAllred you can't use my point against me, thats cheating... Yeah I should have a play with spacemacs, I downloaded it and had a little go but there were a couple of things that I didn't know how to do and as soon as I looked around the configs I got lost and ran back to vim
 
@baxx XD That's to be expected :) I'd be happy to answer any questions you might have (general or specific; you know how to reach me on reddit), but don't expect it to be love-at-first-sight ;)
For now though, I've an exam to study for. At work. For work. My job is strange.
Toodles!
 
2:19 PM
@SeanAllred indeed! Cheers :)
 
 
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5:03 PM
I want cookies too. :(
 
5:39 PM
TIL about a two-year-old typo:
@m0nhawk I didn't notice at first; it was only when latex through up on me did I figure it out ;) — Sean Allred Apr 1 '13 at 12:22
@PauloCereda Cookies for everyone! I passed my test :) Only one question was wrong and that was just because I have some sort of weird dyslexic tendency. Ah, well :)
 
@SeanAllred Yaaaaay congrats! \o/
Quaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack
 
@PauloCereda (")>
<(")
(")>
(")K
 
@SeanAllred oooooooh
Those are naughty ducks!
 
@PauloCereda I feel like I'm missing something! XD
Those ducks seem perfectly innocent to me
 
ooooh I'm so gonna create a blog series called The adventures of the ASCII duck starring @Sean's duck powered with beamer and with a couple of dialogues. :)
 
5:45 PM
@PauloCereda like this?
user image
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@SeanAllred Oh. my. God. <3
 
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A: Are there other "fun" packages like the "coffee stains" package?

Jan HlavacekNot a package, but could be packaged pretty easily: beamerduck! The following presentation will show a progress by having a duck walk from left side of the screen to the right side, saying annoying things every once a while. You can of course replace the duck picture by any other animal (I am t...

 
From this moment on, I'm dropping my university template and replacing it with this duck thingy.
 
6:12 PM
@JosephWright That comment was rude. Read again the last sentence. But, anyway, it's your job to decide.
 
6:36 PM
@SeanAllred: Lol!
 
6:55 PM
I wanted more cookies. :(
 
@PauloCereda: For you ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer ooooooh <3
 
 
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8:11 PM
@PauloCereda I'm really upset. Can you do something about it? :)
 
8:46 PM
@egreg Can i get you a cookie and some hot chocolate?
 
Hullo!
It's been a long time :)
 
@Iplodman Ciao!
 
Oi!
How are we all? :)
 
@Iplodman I was upset, but some chocolate did something to improve my feelings. ;-)
 
Chocolate is the best :)
 
8:59 PM
@Iplodman :)
 
Oh, you know what sucks? Wrapfig and itemize :(
 
@Iplodman -- why limit it to itemize? "unannounced" lists are even worse.
 
@Iplodman Avoid wrapfig! I've never used it and (apart sometimes being upset) I happily TeX my documents.
@Iplodman Or press @DavidCarlisle so he finishes xor.
 
@egreg But... how do you wrap your fig?!?!
 
9:16 PM
@1010011010 I don't wrap text around figures, that's easy! Actually a project I was in charge of for the LaTeX part needed figures aside to the text, but they were mostly next to theorems, so wrapfig was out of the question.
 
@egreg How did you solve it?
 
@1010011010 minipage
 
@egreg I guess it's a matter of styles whether you can really avoid it...
 
@1010011010 I was not responsible for the style, unfortunately; it had been decided by the publisher.
 
@egreg at the UK election result?
 
9:43 PM
@DavidCarlisle Aren't you happy that Cameron won?
 
@egreg Yeah, but I want to wrap my figure when I'm taking the mickey out of N. Farage ;)
 
@Iplodman To be on the serious side: I can understand wrapping normal text around an image; but a list is something else and the reader can't know whether the image refers to an item (and which one) or not.
 
@egreg not particularly, but winner less worrying than overall reshaping of the political map, UK as a country, and UK as a member of EU both at risk
 
@egreg Well, my image didn't relate to any one particular item. It was all pretty clear.
@DavidCarlisle I hope we stay in the EU when the referendum comes.
 
@DavidCarlisle I'm already seeing @BrentLoughborough and @cfr at the lead of a Welsh National Party.
 
9:49 PM
@egreg Se lasciamo l'UE come faccio arrivare a praticare il mio italiano fluente ?
 
@DavidCarlisle You definitely need more practice. ;-)
@DavidCarlisle If Google translates “to practice” into “praticare”, it's grossly wrong: it's “esercitare” or “fare pratica”.
@DavidCarlisle And “come faccio arrivare a praticare” is completely ungrammatical.
@DavidCarlisle Finally, Italian usually postpones the adjective, but in this case it must be “fluente italiano”.
@DavidCarlisle Tell Google Translate it failed the exam. :)
 
10:07 PM
@egreg I did, and it replied as follows: Siete probabilmente più familiarità con dialetto locale , io uso la lingua standard .
 
@DavidCarlisle Failed again. :)
 
@egreg Italian's too hard, maybe I should stick to getting bidi Arabic to work better in xetex and luatex.
 
@DavidCarlisle Good idea!
 
@egreg Looks like I'm going to Darmstadt, do you think I should offer a talk in German?
 
@DavidCarlisle That would be amazing!
@DavidCarlisle Just talk in English with Frau Blucher's accent.
 
10:15 PM
@egreg I'm sure if I talk into the google translate app on my phone, and let my phone address the audience, it'll all be fine.
 
cfr
10:46 PM
@egreg Cymru am byth!
Ond diwrnod cas ac ofnadwy... :(
Would anybody like to test prooftrees? It works for all two examples tested so far!
 
@cfr I agree, whatever you said. :)
 
cfr
@egreg Ardderchog! If I ask you to test prooftrees in Welsh, will you agree to that, too? (I'm not sure what good that would do me since you wouldn't know, but still.)
 
@cfr My background in mathematical logic is flaky.
 
cfr
11:16 PM
@egreg So is the code, but thanks anyhow ;). Maybe somebody else will be willing to have a go.
@egreg Oh, and I said: Wales forever! But a hateful and terrible day... And then when you agreed, I said that was excellent.
 
@cfr I had a look at Google Translate, but seen how it does Italian I was not really confident it understood correctly. ;-)
 
cfr
11:46 PM
@egreg Did it? There is an allegedly improved version of Google Translate for Welsh but it seems to be tied to using MS Office 365. (Needless to say, I've never used it.)
 

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