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Gayot Fow

3:06 AM

@JoErNanO I still have the idea. He might be too knackered to be thinking about that sort of thing.

JoErNanO

9:22 AM

@GayotFow I think you just have to capture him and tie him down. :)

JoErNanO

2:41 PM

@Relaxed I hate visa questions. They all feel like they've been asked before, and often they are so case-by-case specific that they add nothing to the community.

JoErNanO

3:04 PM

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Q: Do I need a multiple-entry visa for an intra-Schengen layover?

I plan to visit Spain and Portugal very soon, and i have received a single-entry Schengen Visa. I will travel from Spain to Portugal on TAP airlines, which is a domestic flight between Schengen countries. My question is, upon departure from Portugal, i will be going to a non-Schengen country (C...

How's this for a single/multiple entry visa goto question title?

Willeke

3:50 PM

Hi, I am Willeke, a rather new user to SE

JoErNanO

Hi @Willeke !

Willeke

I just noticed the Schengen tag description and saw the text is not correct. It reads that the Schengen agreement is between EU countries but these days several non EU countries are in while several EU countries are not.

Being active on Yahoo answers I can understand your point about questions being asked before. But for most people it will be difficult to see whether their question is already answered as the situation is different.

JoErNanO

@Willeke Feel free to suggest a tag edit.

travel.stackexchange.com/edit-tag-wiki/270

Willeke

I would not know how, as I said, I am a new user

JoErNanO

Just sent you the link: :)

Willeke

3:57 PM

So you say just send in an e-mail. OK

JoErNanO

When you go to the schengen tag page there's a link saying improve tag wiki

Click on that and you get the tag editing page.

Being a <20k rep user you (and I) can only suggest edit, which have to be reviewed by >=20k rep users.

Do you follow me? :)

Willeke

I now understand, done it and send it off to be reviewed. Hope I done it right

JoErNanO

I can see the suggested edit now.

@Willeke Edit approved. You should get +2 reputation for it.

Willeke

By the way, English is not my first language, excuses for mistakes.

Thanks

JoErNanO

If you see more tags needing a polish go ahead and do it. :)

And don't worry about your English.

Willeke

4:06 PM

I am likely to, but no guaranties. I have been a mod at several forums before getting hooked on Yahoo Answers. It is time to move to a new internet home now and I do tend to spend a lot of time at the site I concentrate on.

JoErNanO

I know that feeling. :D

You'll love it here.

Willeke

I hope so. I have been here for a few days now and seem to start to fit in.

JoErNanO

Make sure you refer to the help centre if you have any doubt. Look at Travel Meta where we discuss site-related topics. And ome to the chat for random discussions.

Willeke

I made a note of both sites.

Relaxed

OTOH, the Schengen agreement really was an agreement between EU countries

and the relevant regulations have been integrated in EU law

JoErNanO

4:16 PM

Also, don't be afraid to upvote posts you think deserve to be upvoted and downvote those that do not.

@Relaxed The tag excerpt should maybe be rephrased then.

Relaxed

Maybe

Willeke

It WAS an agreement between EU countries. It IS between EU and non EU countries now.

Relaxed

No

It's not "an agreement" at all now

It's part of EU law

to which non-EU countries associate themselves under various scheme

The bulk of the rules are defined in two EU regulations now

Willeke

OK, as long as it is made clear that it is not just EU countries in Schengen.

Relaxed

But the tag description reads “An agreement among many European Union countries” which sounds good enough to me.

Incidentally (and amusingly), the Schengen agreement did not create anything

It was the kind of vague ideas politicians love to announce

Willeke

4:23 PM

I have, on other sites, seen many questions and answers, where it was assumed that a country could not be Schengen as it was not EU

Relaxed

The real work was done in a convention "implementing" the agreement, at it was called

The paradox is that some non-EU countries joined later but in the meantime, the whole thing has become even more tightly integrated in EU law and is part of the acquis communautaire

And new members don't have the choice of opting out

It's all a lot of fun!

Took 10 years between the agreement and the actual implementation

Willeke

I see you edited my answer, how do I see what you changed?

JoErNanO

You click on the edited X mins ago link to see the review history.

Willeke

thanks

After seeing those changes I feel it is no longer MY answer. Might as well call it a shared answer if there are that many changes.

JoErNanO

Being a community website, editing is part of the phylosophy. In particular with regards to grammar/formatting edits.

It would seem to me that Relaxed corrected the grammar without changing the meaning or the intentions of the answer. The concepts expressed are still yours in this sense. Don't you thnk?

Willeke

4:35 PM

Not sure, I am pretty picky about the words I use, they are MY choice of words, whether completely correct or not. I would think a comment would be the way and let ME change.

But I have got to go now, see you later,

Bye all

JoErNanO

@Willeke Ciao.

Gayot Fow

Relaxed and Joe, right?

JoErNanO

Yes?

Gayot Fow

I was going to tell my idea to you two guys and see what happened

JoErNanO

Ooooooooh! What an honor. :P

Go ahead. :)

Gayot Fow

4:46 PM

Relaxed is here?

@Relaxed are you still here?

I guess not

or else he is upset with something

Relaxed

I am back here

I am always coming and going

JoErNanO

He's not @Annoyed anymore. :)

Relaxed

:-)

@Willeke I am used to Wikipedia so I am a bit bolder than most

Gayot Fow

ok, so here it is......

Relaxed

I saw a grammar mistake and got carried away ;-)

Gayot Fow

4:54 PM

but it will take several 'sends' to complete.........

Relaxed

But edits are there for a reason, I did not really add content, only minor grammar and style changes

Gayot Fow

so don't write anything until I say 'over' or something

Relaxed

You can always reject/rollback if you are really unhappy, it's indeed your answer

OK, go ahead

Gayot Fow

So there is a competition where your answers to a question must

be embellished by an image IF possible

And how well the image fits the answer determines how you do......

Example......

Somebody asks a question "Can you tour the Parthenon at night"?

And your answer includes an image of people walking around the Parthenon at night

then you win

but

if you put in some crap image of the Parthenon all lit up at night

without any tourists, you LOSE

Another example.......

Somebody asks "Can you have a picnic in Regent's Park"?

And your answer includes some people picnicing in Regent's Park, then you WIN

But

If you put in a picture of some people having a picnic

and there is no distinguishing feature of Regent's Park, then you LOSE

more......

So in order to compete, people will have to abandon the fastest gun persona

because it takes more time to get the perfectly appropriate image

So to compensate, all competitors must demonstrate good sportsmanship

and applaud the competitor who did it the best

even though they are competing against them

OVER

JoErNanO

The fastest gun persona bothers you, huh? :D

Relaxed

5:04 PM

Maybe it could simply become something like a "best illustrated answer of the week" type of thing?

Gayot Fow

fastest gun uses no images, right

@Relaxed yes, if it's weekly

JoErNanO

@GayotFow Sound interesting.

Gayot Fow

For questions like, "Why was my Schengen refused"? you have to skip it because there's no image

JoErNanO

Will any graphical media support do (video, image, daguerreotype, etc)?

Gayot Fow

@JoErNanO good point, it has to be IN THE ANSWER and not an off-site link

JoErNanO

5:08 PM

With the appropriate citation where needed, of course.

Gayot Fow

of course....

but if several people are competing

then the site will start to look very colourful :)

JoErNanO

Yup makes sense.

Gayot Fow

and likely people will enjoy browsing answers that do not pertain to them

JoErNanO

Although indirectly we will still be testing people's ability to google stuff, albeit graphics.

Gayot Fow

@JoErNanO Right now, it's google ability with text :)

JoErNanO

5:10 PM

I'm up for these creative and fun competitions.

Gayot Fow

Me too.

But I haven't figured out the part where somebody LOSES though.

JoErNanO

How do you mean?

Gayot Fow

For example, somebody asks the question: "Can I ride on top of trains in India"?

And three respondents all include excellent and thematically appropriate images

it means two respondents have to LOSE

JoErNanO

@Relaxed Well spotted regarding the 112 number. Answer edited.

@GayotFow The question is: who decides?

Vote count? Kinda unreliable.

Gayot Fow

yes, something like that. or a rotating judge...

because the person sacrificed fastest gun, and then the LOSE, it might be not enjoyable :(

JoErNanO

5:17 PM

Yes but the competition is independent from the fastest answer or the accepted answer: the selection criteria are different. And I like the rotating judge idea.

Gayot Fow

The rotating judge should upvote wonderful answers in the course of his brief ANYWAY

And the other question is what if a competitor wants to answer more than one?

Gayot Fow

5:34 PM

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Q: Greek Blue Paper

I am going to travel to UK, I have a Greek blue paper that is my residence, I am a student in Greece. I am South American Citizen with a valid visa for UK. If I travel to UK would I be able to reenter Greece again with my blue paper, or would have problems with Airlines letting me go? My Scheng...

air-travel schengen uk customs-and-immigration greece

now that you mention it, this is actually an EXPAT question! Wrong site

Gayot Fow

5:45 PM

@Relaxed I looked at the edit you made on 'Willeke's' answer. You upgraded the answer to acceptable English. It's fine. Don't know what he's on about

JoErNanO

@GayotFow Don't know if it's an expat question.

It's a working holiday.

@GayotFow Good question though.

Shokhet

9:19 PM

I asked a question earlier today, with a cute title. Someone edited that title out, and I left a comment saying that while I wouldn't reverse the edit, I didn't think that it was necessary.

The following two comments were response to that, and each (at the moment) have two votes each:

It was fine in the original version, but now it's even better. — Michael Hampton 3 hours ago

I agree, the question was fine in my view and now lacks personality. — Willeke 3 hours ago

Given the above, would it be proper/polite/withing etiquette to roll back to the first revision? ....I kinda did like that first title....

@JoErNanO ^^^

Gayot Fow

10:01 PM

What does 'lacks personality' mean?

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