The Skunk Works - 2015-03-07

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2:25 PM

Hmmm... I just gained 110 rep in an hour. I feel like a lot of that is going to be removed by the fraud system.

@HDE226868 Weren't you the one that had a bunch of rep overturned because of fraudulent votes?

2:42 PM

@hazzey I don't think so. It's not showing up in my history. I'll be pretty annoyed if it did happen.

It did happen to jhabbott.

@HDE226868 Ahh, I just misremembered who it was.

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user41796

6:35 PM

@hazzey It was jhabbott who had a bunch of posts up voted all at once. If yours get rolled back, it will occur somewhere around 4 AM GMT. Nothing to worry about from your perspective unless it's your sock puppets doing the work. :-P

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@Air Several have noted that the rooms that do not need document "room rules" tend to have the more polite and civil rooms. Whereas those rooms that needed to write up their rules tend to have the more .... uncivil ones.

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6:48 PM

Reminder to all community members: Feel free to put a vote-to-close (or vote-to-hold, if you prefer) on questions that you don't think meet the site's quality guidelines. The moderation team is specifically trying to give the community members space for community moderation. As an example, see the post off of the next comment. Several have expressed concern in the comments on the post, but there aren't any votes on the question.

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Cross-posted on Physics. This is marginally on-topic here, but I agree with Air that this needs more demonstrated research and effort. My inclination would be to put the question on-hold so it can be revised without affecting any answers but no other community members have voted to close yet. — GlenH7 ♦ 2 mins ago

7:20 PM

@GlenH7 Is there a preference (on SE in general) on whether to vote-to-close first, comment later, or comment first, vote-to-close after a reasonable amount of time and no change?

I am looking at this as a "shoot first, ask questions later" versus "ask questions, shoot later if still needed"

@HDE I didn't realize you could use MathJax in titles. Nice.

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it is about looking up parameters of some device. — ACuriousMind 19 hours ago

^ Now, do they really have a meta discussion for that specific off topic reason, or is that as silly as I think it is?

@Air My phone doesn't like mathjax in titles though. It will take it in the body of the questions, but it doesn't appear to work in the titles.

@hazzey In a mobile brower, or the SE app?

@Air App.

@hazzey OK - what device, OS, and app version? If I can reproduce on my phone, I'll make a bug report.

7:37 PM

@Air Nexus 4, Android 5.0.1, SE version 1.0.57

I don't see anything too suspicious in the tools concerning your recent rep gain, by the way

The only users who have even upvoted you around a dozen times are all established, active users

Good to know.

It could be 5 or 6 from one user, and the rest assorted; that would be a bit harder for me to see. You'll find out in 4 hours and a bit, I guess.

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Q: MathJax borks in titles in Android app

See this screenshot: MathJax is now enabled for the Android app (yay!). However, it doesn't work in titles. Could this be fixified?

bug status-declined android-app mathjax

status-declined D:

Known and Declined! For the question in question (that sounds weird) It would probably display as a "sup" tag. I'll have to try that edit.

Or does HTML not work?

I don't know.

I think we might want to leave it as-is anyway, for searchability

If an engineer's searching on this, are they likely to use "mm2" as a search term? I'd use "mm^2"...

7:47 PM

Either way, google is nice enough to not worry about non-letters

It's worth a try, I guess. If it doesn't work you can remove it during the grace period.

And nobody will know! Except everybody. Your shame will be unending.

Doesn't work.

So mathjax in titles = mess for mobile. HTML in titles = mess everywhere.

@Air It's handy sometimes. On Chemistry, they don't like the use of mchem in titles because it can mess up rendering. We'll have to keep that in mind if we get that package.

When I originally edited that question I briefly considered incorporating "area / length" or "square mm" but I figured in the end that people who are looking for this question will probably try plugging the units right into Google first.

@HDE226868 So far an unfortunate lack of chemical experts. Would love to see more breadth in our disciplines. Where my emissions questions at??

@Air Maybe they . . . oh, I almost had a bad pun that would work.

7:57 PM

You just need to ask your own and wait for the self learners to try... and miss.

I see Glen joined Physics for that question (physics.stackexchange.com/questions/168856/…).

When ACuriousMind says, "I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because . . . " he doesn't mean it in the sense that there's a close reason for that. On Physics, there are some types of questions that are off-topic that can't be listed in the close reasons. Although this could be a custom one, somehow.

In the "off-topic" close reasons, you would use the "other" button.

8:25 PM

@hazzey Sadly, I've been doing more and more policy and data management over the past year, so the questions I come across tend to fall within the scope of other sites than this one.

@HDE226868 Right, but just pasting a description of the question into that prompt doesn't really identify why the question's off-topic. It's tautological - "VTC because this question is what it says it is"

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@hazzey I'd say leave a comment and VTC at the same time. The OP generally won't change the question until prodded, which is what the comment does. The VTC helps put the question on-hold so people don't inadvertently answer the bits that are going to get removed via edit. Likewise, many first time OPs won't bother editing their question until it goes on-hold and they realize they "have to" edit in order to get an answer.

Doesn't help the author as much as a link to meta, for example

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@HDE226868 Yep, needed to so I could flag it. I was too lazy to go to the TL and ping their mods and explain. :-)

On the tape question, I thought that the mods were being nice and waiting so I didn't immediately VTC. Now I see that they were "letting the community" do it. It sort of causes confusion.

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And last I knew, mathjax in the title messes up search engines. So it's better to leave it out of the title

8:31 PM

@hazzey Growing pains. We're experimenting a bit.

That is why I didn't like the relate meta question about the mods doing too much.

Also, Glen's on all sorts of drugs, so it's his fault. :P

user41796

@hazzey We need to have special badges during beta that says "VTC'd before a mod shut it down" or something. Then it becomes a race between community and the mods. :-)

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@Air This is quite, quite true

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All have valid prescriptions behind them though

8:32 PM

Pro tems needed a whipping boy so we sent him a care package

@GlenH7 Sounds like a good additional badge.

@GlenH7 That'd be a rare badge on Skeptics. . .

Skeptics mods are on point, eh?

user41796

@HDE226868 definitely wouldn't work for every site, but might be a fun way to encourage community review

@Air They're pretty busy. But they get a bunch of crap posts, so they have to be on their guard.

8:34 PM

I'm doing my taxes right now, so just ignore it if you see random numbers get typed in.

Maybe I can ask a chem-E question about this excellent habanero jelly.

It's truly wonderful.

Fun fact: This morning I wrote the longest-ever answer on Skeptics. I had to cut it down so it wouldn't be over the 30,000-character limit. Which is not a good thing.

user41796

@Air Do I see a non-newtonian fluid question in the making?

user41796

Hey @SabreTooth, how are things?

@GlenH7 Do we have a tag for that.

@SabreTooth Hi!

8:39 PM

hiya, things are going swimmingly well

user41796

@HDE226868 Sorry, you can't have that time from your AM back.

non-newtonian fluid? my favourite type!

user41796

@HDE226868 do you mean weird-stickiness

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@GlenH7 Well, I'll get that time of my life back, because I'll live longer - it was on the health effects of diet soda. Hint: Don't drink it if you want to avoid depression.

user41796

@HDE226868 The more and more I read about soda in general, the happier I am that I quit drinking it.

user41796

8:41 PM

Beer, wine, and hard alcohols seem a lot safer. :-D

Sparkling cider is nice, if you're under (or over) 18.

I don't think jelly's a fluid

Maybe jam is a fluid

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@Air All things are fluid given the right perspective... :-)

@HDE226868 I hope that you got some points for that!

@hazzey Four upvotes so far, and a possible +100 bounty. So I think so.

8:43 PM

Sounds like the right perspective...
( •_•)>⌐■-■ / (⌐■_■)
*is fluid*

Dang line breaks screwing with Markdown in chat.

The FLRW metric treats the entire universe as a fluid.

user41796

So I think we've proven habanero jelly is a fluid and therefore a possible candidate for a weird-stickiness type question. :-)

Noooo it's a colloidal suspension

It's a complex phase of matter that doesn't conform to the structures imposed by society!

Ah. A rebel.

I'm trying to think of a "child of fruit" joke that's not offensive

And clearly failing.

@HDE In that Skeptics answer at the beginning, "Chet et al." vs "Chen" in the para?

I hope Dr. Chen was collaborating with the Hardy Boys on that paper but I am skeptical

Also it says "at al."

Maybe I should create an account there to proofread for you :P

8:54 PM

@Air Those are (embarrassing) typos. I'm editing the answer in a lot of different ways.

I wouldn't be too embarrassed, it's a huge answer, there's bound to be typos.

They're obviously not conceptual errors

I'm not sure the fructose study is relevant.

Fructose isn't an artificial sweetener... Is it used in any diet sodas? If so I haven't seen them, but I haven't paid attention recently.

@Air I believe it's used in some, but I'll have to check that one out.

It's got roughly the same calories as sucrose, doesn't it?

I should just Google that.

This says its the same.

4 calories per gram. 3rd Google result.

Table sugar = sucrose = 50% glucose, 50% fructose... HFCS = ~55% fructose instead

From memory

9:01 PM

Yep.

Crap. The article I cited in my answer says that non-diet sodas use fructose.

@HDE226868 Oh god, that title is vomitous.

@Air Which one?

"Sugar May Be Bad, But This Sweetener Called Fructose Is Far More Deadly"

I wouldn't touch that site with a ten-foot pole for a Skeptics post.

Snake oil with an M.D.

9:16 PM

What? I'm not using it there.

Good, good.

I just found it for your question about calories.

Anyone here familiar with perfectly matched layers (PML) for FDTD?

9:31 PM

Just so you get an answer - I'm not familiar with that.

Yeah, me neither. I don't see any of our typical EE folks in the room (that's EE related, yes?)

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