I mean, I would assume that if a vote came to Sweden to change the gay marriage laws, you would encourage Christians to vote in a way that's consistent with their Christian world view, and not just consider the issue "lost"
@Flimzy yes, I'd say loving is better than fighting. And if it comes down to just voting, sure, vote for what you believe in. But when it requires an awful lot of political work (as it usually does), it's better to concede when the majority is against our viewpoint.
@Flimzy I'd say loving people is better, but in that case I'm not willing to tell others what they should do. It might actually be God's will that they fight to keep the laws as is, even if I don't see the point in fighting
@Flimzy Sure, but there's a difference. They already had legal gay marriage for a long time, so what would that do for the thousands of legally married gay couples if their marriages were declared void and their lifestyle deemed illegal?
@Flimzy I take it you haven't lived anywhere with a strongly pro-gay atmosphere. I have many gay people as friends, and even though I disapprove of their lifestyle, I love them as human beings. Taking away from them rights that have already been given would be quite cruel.
This isn't intended to directly affect your answer... I'm mostly thinking out loud...
For me, the main things to remember are: 1) Always behave in a loving manner toward everyone, Christian or non
2) The focus of our "fighting" should be on people's souls, not their behaviors... if their souls are won, their behaviors will follow
I apply this to the abortion issue in U.S. politics the following way:
* I'm never a single-issue voter on the issue of abortion (many Christians ignore every other issue and only vote based on a candidate's pro-life stand)
(Let me add to this that the abortion issue in the U.S. is essentially at the mercy of the courts right now, which have ruled in favor of abortion rights. The only way to change this is to change the judges on the Supreme Court, such that they would rule in opposition... or pass a U.S. Constitutional amendment, which requires a 2/3 majority of the states to agree)
And given that the supreme court rarely re-hears a case on the same issue, that probably means we need a 2/3 majority of the states to pass an ammendment to the constitution
What all that means is... who we vote for has practically zero effect on the abortion issue
So a far more effective way to spend our effort, if we want to save infant lives, is not in the political arena at all
Anyway, I guess what I'm getting at is... the way to fight the abortion battle in the U.S. isn't by voting at all... so while I would absolutely vote to abolish (or limit) abortion rights, given the chance... A far more effective way for a Christian to fight this battle is by loving those who might want an abortion, and educating them to the harm it causes them and their infant.
I suspect the same is true of the gay marriage issue... it's far more effective to love our gay friends than it is to pass laws about them.
Yeah, I think that would be my summary... Christians should be involved in politics, but it should never be the "first line of defense" on any issue...
And in a democracy, Christians should understand that the majority rules, even when the majority is wrong. So to affect change, what's far more powerful than affecting politics, is affecting the majority... by living as an example of Christ, etc, etc
I've told Christian friends before, when discussing voting... "Don't waste your time campaigning for a specific candidate.. spend your time witnessing to friends. If every candidate you supported was elected tomorrow, they'd still be voted out again in 2, 4, or 6 years... the only lasting impact you can have is to change the hearts of the people, not the politicians."
Sure, I'll read it again tomorrow :)
I'm going to remove my comments from y our answer now, too
BTW, I really like your answer... there was just that one point that I wasn't quite sure about
@BeatMe I think the "best" argument is that intuitively, marriage is life-long and between one man and one woman. Allowing anything else is a slippery slope. (and it actually seems to be in some sense; in Finland we don't yet have legalized gay marriage, but it's raised a lot of talk about allowing polygamy, too)
and of course, an argument on intuition is not gonna be very strong against any opposition...
The legal status of polygamy varies from country to country.
There are many countries which do not permit polygamy, and a person who marries in one of those countries a person while still being lawfully married to another commits the crime of bigamy. In all cases, the second marriage is considered legally null and void, and consent from a prior spouse makes no difference to the validity of the second marriage. In countries which outlaw polygamy, some people circumvent the prohibition by a practice of serial monogamy, where a person serially marries and divorces multiple partners, or by re...
@Flimzy it's had a lot of media coverage. Not a lot of politicians behind that, though.
The youth organization of the Green League is actively proposing polygamy laws, but I don't know how many of the actual members of parliament of Green League agree. And even they only make up 5% of the parliament.
I'm sure I can't find the youtube clip... but it basically involved him going into a 5-minute rampage about how horrible gays are, so to get back at them, we should all pretend we're gay, so that a gay person will fall in love with us, then at the last minute, before we say our vows at our not-really-legal wedding, we'll, in front of everyone, humuliate oursleves by telling the world we're not really gay
I can't do it justice
He turned it very emotional... it was pretty funny
pretty much trying to make gay-haters realize that being gay is not easy
I don't know, but do you think this current design is a suitable one for a site on Christianity?
I don't know, perhaps, there have already been a serious consideration on this matter that I have overlooked, but there are some elements in the current design that I see as having no relation to Ch...
@dancek No, diamond mods can't but some SE staff can. Mods can see some rough statistics about who voted for or against what users so we can sort out abnormalities, but in no case does it show what specific posts were voted on by who.
@Richard I think we'd be better off working on the quality of answers to the pile of questions we have than coming up with new things to ask. We have more questions than answers in general.