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12:14 AM
Any TikZperts in the house? The labels of my nodes are overlapping.
 
@PauloCereda What kind of nodes? Trees or automata?
 
@AlanMunn automata.
 
Do you have a little code?
 
Sure, let me paste:
@AlanMunn Here, Alan: fpaste.org/kkxM
I'm thinking of not using the labels and place the texts in the desired coordinates.
 
@PauloCereda Eeek. It's pretty cramped. @Jake is around, I think, so maybe you could post it as a question. I don't have any quick suggestions.
 
12:29 AM
@AlanMunn hehe don't worry. For now, I'll hardcode the texts in the strategic positions, just as a workaround.
I confess my drawing is a mess.
 
12:47 AM
@AlanMunn: less eeek-y. :-)
 
@PauloCereda Yes, it looks a lot better. Dare I ask what it does? (It's been a long time since I took an automata theory class.)
 
@AlanMunn Of course! This one is an adaptive automaton (well, it's going to be one) and it's mapped to recognize a group of people based on some caracteristics. Do you remember a game called "Guess who?" ? It's very similar. I have to draw another automaton with a "real" example, so I think it's better to explain with the other one. (cont)
The accepting states (double circle ones) represent people, let's say lockstep, Martin, you and me. the other "c" states represent some caracteristic, let's say reputation. So I can query people with rep > 3000, and the automaton will change its topology according to the input (hence the adaptive term). Only lockstep, Martin and you will be "reachable" by the automaton (the state representing me will be unavailable).
 
1:06 AM
@PauloCereda I see. That's neat.
 
@AlanMunn I have to finish the paper until Monday night, I'll send you a copy. It's very intuitive - and quite funny! The "boring" part is the theory. :-)
 
1:32 AM
@Paulo: In my regex code, I am using automata. Do you think that providing automata as a stand-alone feature would be useful? Are automata a useful programming tool for users or package writers? (I've only ever used them as a theoretical object, or for that regex code.)
 
@BrunoLeFloch @Paulo don't encourage him. He's supposed to be working on his PhD. :-)
 
@AlanMunn ... I am, I know. Actually, I'd probably schedule automata for after the completion of the floating module. But since I'm looking at them right now, I might try to code things in a manner that makes coding for automata later easier.
 
@BrunoLeFloch Bruno, I share your thoughts on using them as theoretical objects. Since the language recognized by a automaton/finite state machine is a regular one, they are pretty good for regex - they grow in space, not in time. In the worst case, if I'm not wrong, it's O(n) for string acceptance, considering n as the lenght of the string. Unfortunately, apart from our theoretical views and the extraordinary regex use, I don't see a better application for casual users or even programmers.
 
@PauloCereda Ok. Thanks for listening to Alan ;-). The complexity is O(<length of string>*<size of automaton>) in a programming language that provides O(1)-access arrays. In TeX, I'm not too sure what my algorithm gives, but I doubt that I reach that when tracking submatches.
I'm already abusing of TeX's toks registers and other registers, accessing them directly by number, and manipulating pointers myself.
 
E.g., if a programmer uses a boolean in his code, that might be represented by a two-state automaton. One problem I face when dealing with automata is that my "world" is quite volatile. Sometimes, I have to microprogram things and the thing grows a lot. :-)
@BrunoLeFloch I'd love to see a nice automata implementation!
@AlanMunn haha!
 
1:44 AM
@PauloCereda What do you mean by your "world"?
 
@BrunoLeFloch I meant the problem I'm working on.
or better, "problems".
 
@PauloCereda The implementation is all but nice. The code is not as ugly as the floating point one, but not pretty either. Too optimized to be clean.
@PauloCereda Coding booleans like that in TeX would not be a good idea :). Automata are never going to be fast, that's for sure.
@PauloCereda Are adaptative automata "self-modifying"?
 
@BrunoLeFloch Joseph was not kidding when he said you are the Optimization Jedi Master. :-)
@BrunoLeFloch yes, they are, according to the input symbol. There might be a function associated with a transition and triggered to remove/create states/transitions.
 
@PauloCereda Most of my LaTeX3 work has been to go through the modules one by one and go from O(n^2) to O(n). Or whatever was possible. Joseph told me once that before my changes the siunitx doc took 30s to compile, and now only 9s.
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@PauloCereda That's cool. But probably difficult to reason about, isn't it?
 
@BrunoLeFloch wow! I wonder what you can do on PC overclocking or car tuning. :-)
@BrunoLeFloch Not at all. :-) I'll try to translate to English the section of my master's thesis about adaptive automaton. There's a nice example in which you can see how easy it is. :-)
 
1:51 AM
@PauloCereda I wouldn't try: I've got a Phd to work on ;-).
@PauloCereda Cool. I don't want to give you more work, though. Was the translation planned already?
 
@BrunoLeFloch Er... no. :-) But sometimes I have to write papers in English, and it might help me. :-)
@Bruno: BTW, how's the PhD going?
 
@PauloCereda Not convinced that you should translate it, then :). But I'll be happy to read it if you do!
 
@BrunoLeFloch My pleasure. ;-)
 
@PauloCereda Trodding along. I don't really have a precise project. At the moment, my supervisor teamed me with an old friend of mine, and we're working on localization of a supersymmetric gauge theory on S^2 (sphere). Too close to string theory in my view, but I shouldn't say that too loudly :).
 
@BrunoLeFloch hehe. You'll do fine.
Phew, at least I won't have nightmares with TikZ.
Time to go to bed. See ya, friends! :-)
 
2:11 AM
@PauloCereda See you, Paulo!
There is no such thing as a time to go to bed.
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8:18 AM
@AlanMunn I get no error if I say, before \usepackage{pgfkeys,pgfmath}, also \input{pgfutil-common}. Definitely not user friendly. Maybe @Martin can tell more.
 
8:46 AM
@egreg The PGF package have poor package handling code in it. You can't load pgfmath on its own any longer, for example. This is caused by the mixed support for plainTeX, LaTeX and ConTeXt. All generic files should check if they were loaded already by themselves.
 
@MartinScharrer As I'm often pointing out, Till's code is very good at the interface level but rather more awkward internally (try reading beamer)
 
9:16 AM
Good morning!
 
9:28 AM
Three astonishing (yet offtopic) videos: vimeo.com/21294655
 
9:39 AM
@PauloCereda Good morning! Have you seen that I didn't reach rep cap? :)
 
9:57 AM
@egreg I have. ;-)
 
10:19 AM
@lockstep But that doesn't bother me at all. Tomorrow I'll bring the bike in for scheduled maintenance: 12000 km in five months, not bad. :)
 
@egreg wow.
@AndreyVihrov Amazing!
@egreg I was once so close to reach the rep cap for the first time. But the rep stopped at 187.
 
@AndreyVihrov I'd love to see aurora for real sometime
 
10:34 AM
@NN It must be a wonderful experience.
 
@PauloCereda better than disco lights
 
egreg fact #371: egreg does not reach rep cap. Rep cap reaches egreg.
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@PauloCereda It is. I saw some at Svalbard, it's really beautiful.
 
@TorbjornT cool!
@NN Saturday night fever
 
@egreg I'd say 80 km per day for five months is very good.
 
10:47 AM
Is there a distance cap? ;)
 
11:00 AM
@NN Definitely. More than 700 km in a day have some consequences on my back; but I'm training. :) Yesterday they were 430 with many corners.
 
11:25 AM
I mark the following question as duplicated in relation to Martins comment. What do you think:
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/9740/how-can-i-add-vertical-space-to-a-beamercolorbox-to-make-it-align-with-another-on
 
11:47 AM
@Marco The're at least close, but the question you marked as duplicate is the older one.
 
That's true. But in the comment Martin provides a link to the correct answer:
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/14220/how-to-modify-columns-column-environments-so-they-resize-automatically-to-the-lar/21591#21591
 
@Marco Indeed. But until now I don't think we closed older questions after a canonical answer had been provided to a similar newer question. You could ask a question at meta what our policy should be.
Here's an example where I tried to provide a canonical question/answer to float numbering. So far, we haven't closed the (about half a dozen) earlier questions that provided parts of my answer.
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Q: Continuous v. per-chapter/section numbering of figures, tables, and other document elements

lockstep(This is intended as a consolidated reference for one of the "frequently asked questions" at tex.sx.) Some document elements (e.g., figures in the book class) are numbered per chapter (figure 1.1, 1.2, 2.1, ...). How can I achieve continuous numbering (figure 1, 2, 3, ...)? And vice versa: Some...

Naturally, I won't hesitate to vote-to-close future questions about float numbering.
 
12:03 PM
@lockstep I don't believe that the order of appearance is important for judging what duplicate to keep open. In this case, the more recent question is quite detailed and the accepted answer is very good; moreover no answer to the older question was accepted, which can leave in a casual reader the impression that the problem has not yet been really solved.
 
@egreg You're right -- the missing acceptance indeed makes a crucial difference. I voted to close.
 
 
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1:07 PM
@MartinScharrer Thanks @MartinScharrer and @egreg.
 
1:34 PM
Apparently Cthulhu beats StatWeave, hands down.
 
@AlanMunn So, should we add a tag?
 
@lockstep :-) Please no. Although the deleted answers on that question really are quite funny.
 
2:09 PM
@lockstep Yeah! And we need a one. :-)
or a one ("let me google that for you").
 
/me is doing the emacs tutorial
 
3:08 PM
I'm not a {Open|Libre|Neo}Office user, but I may have need to convert a Word document to LaTeX, and Writer2LaTeX looks like it will do the trick. Does anyone have any experience with these three incarnations of OpenOffice on the Mac, and recommendations? Mac users especially: Is NeoOffice up to date relative to the others?
Also, any advice on Writer2LaTeX use. The document doesn't have any math; what I would like is minimal markup if possible, since much of the distinct formatting will be done with a package.
 
3:36 PM
@AlanMunn I had NeoOffice installed, but I think it's better to give LibreOffice for Mac a try. Nothing against NeoO, but since it looks like a LibreO fork, it might not cover everything.
I've never tried it before, but it seems pandoc is able to convert odt or rtf to tex.
 
4:06 PM
@lockstep Great! You hit 30000 rep before me!
 
@PauloCereda Thanks. And I couldn't quite figure out the Libre vs. Open Office difference. There are definitely some political issues related to Oracle, but it wasn't clear from googling whether there were substantive differences between the two. I'd forgotten about pandoc; that also might be a way to go.
@PauloCereda Actually, it looks like pandoc can go from TeX -> odt/rtf but not the other way around.
 
4:23 PM
@egreg I guess 30k was about the last thing I hit before you. ;-)
 
@lockstep Now, now, no fighting boys. "the last thing I hit before you" is ambiguous between your intended meaning and "the last thing I hit before I hit you" :-) (One of the hazards of having a linguist around.)
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@AlanMunn Ah, the joys of spontaneous conversation in a foreign language. :-)
 
@AlanMunn Ah, the LibreO vs. OpenO issue is political. I quite satisfied with LibreO.
@AlanMunn Really? My bad, I didn't know.
@AlanMunn (Should I make a Mortal Kombat / Street Fighter / Pokémon version of this fight?)
 
4:39 PM
@PauloCereda Well I don't know for sure if it is, but until the two start to diverge it's not clear if there are differences.
@lockstep Yes, I assume if the same structure is possible in German it would be disambiguated by case.
 
@AlanMunn It's kind of difficult to hit someone hundreds of km away. But maybe with the recent achievements of technology, who knows?
 
@AlanMunn You overestimate our number of cases. ;-)
@egreg This conversation is becoming a hit.
 
@lockstep Not really, all you need is a robust distinction between nominative and accusative in this case. But maybe German is like English and the accusative in this structure can still yield both interpretations.
e.g. John met Mary before me. = John met Mary before I met Mary or John met Mary before he met me. Can German say that?
 
@AlanMunn Indeed - "Das Letzte, das ich vor dir treffe."
 
Ich trinke Wasser.
 
4:53 PM
@PauloCereda Gerade jetzt bevorzuge ich Bier. (Right now, I prefer beer.)
 
@lockstep Ok. So, yes, in this case, case doesn't help at all.
@lockstep Ah, the wonders of German word order. :-)
 
@PauloCereda Actually, isn't the rep cap super ineffective? It's what keeps the the gurus in check.
 
@AlanMunn Ah good point.
 
Writer2LaTeX from OpenOffice seems pretty good.
 
5:05 PM
@AlanMunn It is. :-)
 
rep cap keeps gurus alive by preventing burnout
 
Hey @MartinScharrer. :-)
 
@PauloCereda Hi
 
 
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7:14 PM
@PauloCereda Hey, hit rep cap! :-)
 
@egreg Show off :-)
 
@JosephWright Of course. :) No, it's to spur Paulo, he can do better. :)
 
7:46 PM
Shall I delete
as the ConTeXt meeting finishes today?
 
@JosephWright The second sentence is the third paragraph is missing an β€œis”: My impression [...] is that this is quite a laid-back task compared ... ”
 
@Caramdir Sorted
 
@JosephWright I don't know enough about the different drivers to know if the solution to the beamer shading problem is simply to have pgfsys-xetex input pgfsys-dvipdfmx.def. Do you know?
 
@AlanMunn I do know some driver stuff, but it may take a while (the pgf ones are pretty complex). I'll take a look.
 
If it is, then my answer can be more definitive, and a bug report can be filed to Till.
@JosephWright Certainly pgfsys-xetex is pretty minimal.
 
8:05 PM
@AlanMunn Yes, I've wondered about that before! I'd say 'e-mail Till'.
 
8:29 PM
@JosephWright Yes, I think it should be deleted. It would look funny if it is still displayed and there seems to be no other means of removing it.
 
@MartinScharrer Fine, will do
 
9:12 PM
@egreg woohoo! How many days in a row?
 
9:22 PM
@PauloCereda One. Yesterday I didn't. The "reputation" page says I reached the cap 65 times in 181 days.
 
@egreg Oh. But yesterday was for a good cause. ;-)
 
@egreg Here's a challenge for you: For one day, don't answer questions, but ask them -- and still hit the reputation cap. ;-)
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@egreg: a lucky corner and Bologna scored. :-(
 
@PauloCereda I watched only Juve's game. Poor. :(
@lockstep I have to prepare a different kind of questionary: it's about basketball rules. But I'll prepare it in LaTeX, of course.
 
9:40 PM
@egreg As I understand it, you prefer to find out the solution yourself whenever a (La)TeX question arises. But it would still be interesting for "the rest of us" to follow the process through a (self-answered) question by egreg posted at tex.sx. (And such a question would be a worthy no. 10,000.)
 
9:58 PM
@JosephWright Yes, please.
 
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A: How do I make my document look like it was written by an Cthulhu worshipping madman?

doncherryI've implemented some of the things I mentioned in my earlier answer, but I felt this was different enough to get a separate answer. Once again, tex.sx provided me with a couple of things I needed for this. Bruno Le Floch wrote some code that rotates arguments at a random angle. Martin Scharrer ...

Why do I have the impression this letter is written by The Joker?
If I add a comment "Why so serious?", it will probably be flagged.
 
@PauloCereda You don't have enough reputation to read the deleted answers, but one of them was this: stackoverflow.com/questions/1732348/… which is a masterpiece.
 
@AlanMunn wow! For real? It hurts my eyes.
 
10:35 PM
This question:
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Q: Beamer: Small Capitals font in WARSAW globally

MYaseen208I wonder how to use \textsc globally in WARSAW theme. Thanks in advance.

could be closed, since the OP decided not to pursuit his/her intent. However, I didn't found an appropriate reason to close it in the list of possible reasons to close a question.
I flagged, but should I (we) also vote to close it?
 
10:52 PM
Nevermind, Stefan Kottwitz has already closed it.
 
@PauloCereda But it's really funny (and basically true.) HTML is a context free language (I think) and good luck processing it with a regular expressions. I think the answerer had answered one too many questions of "how do I process HTML with a regex" and decided to pretend that he snapped.
 
@Caramdir: Treebranch (remember \section and \subsection?) has just accepted my answer. :)
 
@AlanMunn It's funny indeed. And HTML is really a context free language, so regex won't be able to process it, only the "regular" parts, forget about syntactic nesting. :-)
Ah, good old Chomksy hierarchy.
 
11:10 PM
@AlanMunn The comments are also fantastic. "SO should develop a new medal specifically for this response."
Wait, isn't Zoidberg a Cthulhu that went wrong?
 

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