The Bridge

Yuuki

8:00 PM

@FAE That's awkward.

FAE

@Yuuki haha yeeeeeah

FEichinger

Creepy Raven is creepy.

Powerlord

Anyway, the point is, this is rending fine in IE8 and current versions of FireFox and Chrome.

Origami Robot

@FAE He probably just got a new kitten and it was walking on the gamepad.

Yuuki

@FAE Especially since there's an accent on the e. You know that means he's pretending to be Spanish/Mexican.

Maybe French.

FAE

8:01 PM

@Yuuki I was assuming it was to get around a word filter for "sex/sexy" in WiiU messages

Origami Robot

FEichinger

@Powerlord The thing is, the more recent IEs often have less fallbacks than webkit/blink and gecko. It's rather likely that your code is not compliant, but they catch it. :/

Yuuki

@OrigamiRobot People who randomly use Japanese annoy me.

Especially when they do the whole footnote translation thing.

Origami Robot

@Yuuki that's part of the joke.

Yuuki

Or really any language if they do the footnote translation thing.

FAE

8:03 PM

@Yuuki In general speech or just in comics and stuff?

Yuuki

@FAE In general.

Origami Robot

Yuuki

It's even worse since I usually know how the word is supposed to be pronounced.

Powerlord

Ergh. I forgot that the other tabs will be in this source code, so you may be right about the thing earlier about it being in the page source

Yuuki

Or they butcher it so badly, I can tell even if I don't know.

Powerlord

8:04 PM

(terrible design, not my choice)

FAE

@Yuuki I do it with random words out of various languages I've studied sometimes.

Origami Robot

@FAE Me too.

That pretty much means Spanish.

I say "gracias" all the time.

Yuuki

The reason why I'm never going to carry a gun is because every time I go to campus, I will randomly overhear someone say "That's so f--king kawaii".

FAE

@Yuuki lmao

Origami Robot

I also say "taco" a lot too.

FAE

8:07 PM

@Yuuki Listening to people at my games store during MtG's Kamigawa block was torture.

Yuuki

There's just so much wrong in those four words, I just can't deal.

Jason Berkan

@OrigamiRobot To describe something other than a taco?

Origami Robot

@JasonBerkan No, usually it's when I order a taco.

user15026

I don't know any "popular" languages in that sense, and I think I am okay with that.

Origami Robot

@FAE What was the worst offender?

user15026

8:09 PM

No one really tries to inject Russian into their speech, or Dutch :P

Origami Robot

@AshleyNunn I wouldn't say I "know" Spanish.

Yuuki

"I'm sorry, but I'm gonna have to pull out my qiang and bust a cap in you. That's Chinese for 'gun', by the way."

Random tangent, a gun store just opened up in Chinatown.

FAE

@AshleyNunn I do!

Yuuki

I don't know about you, but that's just a really odd sight for me.

user15026

@FAE I think you are an exception to my rule :P

Origami Robot

8:10 PM

@AshleyNunn My friend does this with Russian.

user15026

My grandma also does, but that's because she's reverting more and more to Dutch and less English

Batophobia

@AshleyNunn I've heard the Russian word for hose a few times

user15026

shrug

Origami Robot

He also asked Joseph Fink (in Russian) why they chose Russian for the Indian Tracker

To which Joseph Fink answered "Dah?"

Sometimes I ask people "Que hora es?"

FAE

@OrigamiRobot Listening to "Kagemaro" pronounced as "cage-may-roh" was pretty high up there

user15026

8:13 PM

@OrigamiRobot laugh

Origami Robot

@FAE cah-gay-mah-roh?

Batophobia

yu-gi-oh?

FAE

@OrigamiRobot close, cah-geh-mah-roh

Origami Robot

To be fair though, MtG players latch on to weird pronunciations all the time.

Like pronouncing "myr" as "mur"

FAE

@OrigamiRobot s/weird/wrong/ :P

Origami Robot

8:18 PM

I wish I could remember some of the more outrageous ones.

I hear them all the time.

murgatroid99

@OrigamiRobot Is that even a word independent of Magic?

Powerlord

myrrica, fu... you know the rest

Origami Robot

I should start writing them down.

Jason Berkan

@FAE I butcher far less Japanese now that I know that each vowel only makes a single sound.

Origami Robot

@murgatroid99 No, I just mean it's a weird way to pronounce it.

Why would you pronounce it like a u?

Rapitor

8:19 PM

@Batophobia "shlang". yep.

Jason Berkan

@OrigamiRobot That's how myrrh is pronounced.

Origami Robot

@JasonBerkan They are from MEER-odin

Rapitor

@JasonBerkan it is? I always said it like meer

murgatroid99

@OrigamiRobot Spelled Mir rodin

Grace Note

@JasonBerkan AS IT SHOULD BE

Batophobia

8:20 PM

English is such a messed up language

Jason Berkan

@Rapitor Wikipedia says ir as in bird.

Rapitor

@Batophobia read about lead while lead people to read.

murgatroid99

@JasonBerkan And it's very hard to distinguish between that sounds and "ur" as in "fur"

@Rapitor I don't think that's grammatically correct

Jason Berkan

@murgatroid99 In my accent, I pronounce those identically.

murgatroid99

@JasonBerkan mine too.

Rapitor

8:22 PM

or my favorite: buffalo buffalo buffalo

Batophobia

@Rapitor Gets worse when you realize every letter is optional

user15026

@Rapitor This sentence seems broken somehow and thus I don't know how to say it

murgatroid99

@Batophobia It's all about context. You can't extrapolate anything from that fact.

Batophobia

@murgatroid99 I mean for pronunciation

Jason Berkan

@AshleyNunn It doesn't have a subject.

murgatroid99

8:24 PM

@AshleyNunn "while lead people to read" is missing a word. Probably a subject after "while"

user15026

@JasonBerkan There is that unless Batophobia is the subject, also the second "lead" is problematic.

Rapitor

@murgatroid99 probably shouldve said while leading people to read, but that wouldve made it too easy.

Jason Berkan

@AshleyNunn Yup. Wrong tense then.

Origami Robot

Frank

...Apparently work has enough credit from our phone company to get everybody a new phone.

Which Android phone should I be looking at?

Origami Robot

8:25 PM

Some dude pronounces this CAR-e-AH-tid

FAE

@JasonBerkan If you say "I read about lead while he lead people to read" then it'll make sense.

murgatroid99

@OrigamiRobot How do you pronounce it?

Grace Note

I was expecting them to say "Sulvan"

Yuuki

@OrigamiRobot Probably conflating it with the pronunciation for "carotid".

Origami Robot

@murgatroid99 CARE-e-uh-TID

murgatroid99

8:26 PM

@FAE "Read about lead while you lead people to read" is another option

@OrigamiRobot I can't even tell how that would sound different

Origami Robot

@murgatroid99 you know how "care" and "car" sound different, right?

Batophobia

You have just started reading the sentence you have just finished reading.

murgatroid99

@OrigamiRobot ok, fine. Hard "a" vs. soft "a" there barely makes a difference

Origami Robot

@murgatroid99 No, it's a huge difference

Carry vs car-e

murgatroid99

@OrigamiRobot besides, it seems petty to criticize people for mispronouncing obscure Greek words that they've only seen in writing

Origami Robot

8:29 PM

@murgatroid99 Except when everyone around you is pronouncing it differently.

user15026

wishes she had IPA symbols so she knew what sounds people meant

Martin Sojka

@Batophobia "Rendezvous" is downright cheating, though.

Origami Robot

@AshleyNunn I just wing it.

GnomeSlice

Bam, bitches

passed that shit

user15026

@OrigamiRobot The problem is that most of you seem to be saying the same thing but you say you aren't so I get lost.

GnomeSlice

8:30 PM

It took my 'proctor' an amusing amount of time to find my web browser.

user15026

@GnomeSlice yay!

Batophobia

party

murgatroid99

@OrigamiRobot Really? Are you saying that all but one person at some Magic event knew how to pronounce that word? Even though most of them had only ever read it?

GnomeSlice

Good thing I took all the objectionable content off my desktop before doing this because he minimized all the windows.

spugsley

HALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Origami Robot

8:32 PM

@murgatroid99 This person is an announcer for SCG and every other announcer was pronouncing it correctly.

I have never heard anyone else pronounce it the way he does.

Batophobia

Maybe he is the only correct one

Origami Robot

Or, I should say, it's the correct way TMK.

Batophobia

Did you understand the idea that was being conveyed?

FAE

Naaaaaa nana na nana na na

user15026

@FAE Oh my goodness this is amazing

FAE

8:38 PM

@AshleyNunn I could not stop laughing

user15026

It amused me greatly

FAE

@AshleyNunn My friend linked it to me while I was on the phone with my mom and I nearly lost it and had to suppress a giggle fit

Origami Robot

@Batophobia r u impling tht this isOK?

Frank

@OrigamiRobot Ow. Just...ow.

Origami Robot

@Frank It hurt to type.

Frank

8:40 PM

@OrigamiRobot It hurts a lot to just read that.

Powerlord

Took me a moment to figure out why switching my app to a newer version of jQuery suddenly made it stop connecting to the database.

...because we had planned to reboot the Dev DB server at 4:30.

badp

if yu cant st4nd dis, how u live on teh internets.... xD

Jason Berkan

Can we flag text speak? Pretty please?

FAE

@badp I had to look twice to see who wrote this

Frank

@Powerlord "Crap! Can't connect to the DB! My code must've broken the DB! Crap crap crap!"

Totally done that before.

Powerlord

8:44 PM

> Doesn't need to. Leave the code running for long enough, your CPU will “discover” fire by itself

@Frank Well, I had just redeployed the app and the first page after login is the only one using the newer jQuery version...

Frank

@Powerlord Yep. I'm always like, "Uhhh. I don't know how my code broke the DB, but maybe I missed something."

Powerlord

The login page isn't technically supposed to exist, as users are supposed to use Single Sign-On

But the thing is, on my local copy I've turned off the "nice" error page so I can see real errors.

So, I got to see a stack trace and figure out what the problem was.

Of course, had I looked over in the console for my local appserver, I'd have seen this:

2014-09-11 16:34:15.253 NOTIFICATION J2EE DS-00266 Fatal error code : '17,008' d
etected handling SQLException : 'java.sql.SQLException: Closed Connection'.
2014-09-11 16:34:16.133 WARNING J2EE DS-00012 Exception occurred refreshing the
connection pool. Exception: java.lang.reflect.InvocationTargetException.

badp

why would you want to connect things to the database?

isolating the database gives you better security!

Batophobia

@OrigamiRobot I'm implying that if you understood the message being conveyed, then the use of language was successful

Frank

@badp And defeats the whole purpose of the database!

badp

8:54 PM

@Frank the database is still storing its data!

Frank

@badp Which is useless if there's no way to retrieve or update it.

Origami Robot

@Batophobia And I am saying that successful != correct

murgatroid99

Stack Exchange English Language & Usage Blog: Prescriptivism and Descriptivism

Cameron on October 15, 2012

Imagine you are reading something on the Internet (I know, it’s a stretch), and you come across the following passage:

How would you characterize the quality of the writing?

It is just fine

It has some style issues

It has some grammar issues

It is horrid writing for a number of reasons, including both style and grammar

Of course, the correct answer is… well, hold on, now. It’s not quite that simple.

If you cringed while reading the example passage above and ached to break out the red pen, then chances are that you fall into the prescriptivist camp. The general take of a prescriptivist is …

Origami Robot

Full disclosure, I am not going to read that.

murgatroid99

Huh, apparently blog one-boxes skip blockquotes

user15026

8:58 PM

Oh man I love like all of the links at the end of that article.

Origami Robot

Not when I have 3 minutes till I leave.

user15026

Especially Stephen Fry's video

murgatroid99

@OrigamiRobot Then you're not correct either

Origami Robot

Since I haven't read that, I have no idea what you're talking about

James

@murgatroid99 Stack Exchange for President

user15026

8:59 PM

@murgatroid99 That makes zero sense as a judgment call

James

They have a knack for telling off half their user base with out pissing em off by making em feel like they belong to something regardless :D

GnomeSlice

murgatroid99

@AshleyNunn I was trying to make a joke about him pushing arbitrary correctness measures

GnomeSlice

lol

Origami Robot

@murgatroid99 I'm not pushing any arbitrary measures.

I am saying that just because what you were trying to say was understood doesn't mean you said it correctly.

murgatroid99

9:01 PM

@OrigamiRobot That's exactly what I'm talking about. That's the assertion that I responded to with the blog post.

Origami Robot

And now I'm going to play MtG and listen out for people making funny pronunciations.

@murgatroid99 Just because I understand what someone says doesn't mean they said it in a way that other will.

murgatroid99

@OrigamiRobot If you are unwilling to read that blog post, I am done with this conversation

user15026

@OrigamiRobot Perhaps, but it doesn't mean that everything needs to be said 100% linguistically correctly all of the time.

Origami Robot

I told you, i am leaving.

@AshleyNunn I never said it did.

user15026

Sorry, I am a rhetoric and linguistics nerd.

user15026

9:03 PM

@OrigamiRobot Ah yeah, reading over what you said, you weren't making that argument. My apologies :)

Origami Robot

I am only arguing about technical correctness and nothing more.

And when someone says something differently, it is jarring and you take notice and I was relaying my jarring experience.

NOW GOODBYE FOR REALS WISH ME LUCK IN MY DRAFT

user15026

@OrigamiRobot Fair enough :) And correctness of sound is actually somewhat important. Less so in English, but there are words in Russian where if you get the soft sign in the wrong place (really easy to do as a novice) you can say something completely different

user15026

@OrigamiRobot Good luck :) Have fun :)

FAE

@AshleyNunn Yeah, there's Dutch words where if you put the accent on a different syllable, they mean two different things, like "voorkomen"

You can also split that verb for one meaning, but you can't for the other.

user15026

@FAE Yeah :) In Russian it was the word for mother - if you don't soften the t correctly it becomes something completely different

user15026

9:09 PM

@FAE It bugs me because I can't think of the two meanings here but I know they exist

Yuuki

@AshleyNunn Same with Chinese.

FAE

@AshleyNunn One is "to prevent" and the other is "to occur"

@Yuuki tonal languages, wooooo

Yuuki

The only difference between 大 and 打 is the intonation and they mean "big" and "to hit", respectively.

badp

@murgatroid99 It think it funny that no one saw that typo.

user15026

@Yuuki Yeah, that was going to be an example before I realized I couldn't really speak about it with any authority

user15026

9:11 PM

@FAE Thank you :)

user15026

@badp Now I can't unsee it

user20683

Buffalo Buffalo Buffalo etc

murgatroid99

@badp What typo?

FAE

@AshleyNunn Graag gedaan!

badp

@murgatroid99 It think it would help if you reread.

It think it is not the one I might've added.

MBraedley

9:13 PM

Happy I just had a round of golf and a meal paid for, a little disappointed that work didn't give us a charge code like they did last year.

user15026

@WorldEngineer Yeah, that came up earlier

user15026

charge code?

FAE

@MBraedley charge code?

Yuuki

Lion-Eating Poet in the Stone Den

The Lion-Eating Poet in the Stone Den (simplified Chinese: 施氏食狮史; traditional Chinese: 施氏食獅史; pinyin: Shī Shì shí shī shǐ; literally: "The Story of Shi Shi Eating Lions") is a 92-character modern poem written in Classical Chinese by Yuen Ren Chao (1892–1982), in which every syllable has the sound shi (in different tones) when read in modern Mandarin Chinese. It is a noted example of constrained writing. The sentence "Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo" is an example of this type of writing in English. == The text == The following is the text in Hanyu Pinyin, Gwoyeu...

FAE

@AshleyNunn Yay, we're confusion buddies!

user15026

9:13 PM

@Yuuki I loved when I first found out about it. It fascinates me.

user15026

@FAE Who better to be confused with? :)

Yuuki

@AshleyNunn 92 characters. That's terrifying.

FAE

@AshleyNunn <3

MBraedley

@FAE I have to charge my time to a particular project via a charge code, because sometimes that time spent gets charged to the customer.

badp

oh god wat.

user15026

9:14 PM

@badp The pronunciation is beside that

murgatroid99

@badp I have no idea what you're talking about

Yuuki

@AshleyNunn The pronunciation is already there. It's the different accent marks on the i's.

FAE

@AshleyNunn the little horizontal line means flat pronunciation, accent aigu means it the tone goes up, accent grave means it goes down, the little mini U I don't know the name for means it you have to start, dip low in tone, then go back up.

user15026

@FAE Aye, I know, I didn't explain myself appropriately, and I apologize for the error.

FAE

@AshleyNunn Aaah okies

user15026

9:18 PM

Anyway.

FAE

@MBraedley I'm a little confused though as to what there is to be disappointed about this.

user20683

►

Yuuki

^ This is terrifying and why I never finished Chinese school when I was younger.

FAE

@AshleyNunn this convo has reminded me of this little game we play at boardgames day sometimes. There's a deck of cards and you have to pronounce Dutch tongue twisters as fast as you can 3x without errors in order to collect the card with said tongue twister on it. On the backs are colors, and you have to like get as many of a color as you can or something. It's really fun and also really hard.

user15026

@FAE That would be so difficult but also super fun

Jason Berkan

9:23 PM

@FAE Generally speaking, without a charge code, you cannot enter that time as time you worked, so you are short those hours for the week.

Powerlord

OK, I'm not sure why, but when using IE11, jQuery's append is only adding the top level of elements and none of the child elements of said elements.

This is using jQuery 1.11.1

GnomeSlice

hahaha

Yuuki

@GnomeSlice ... why...

FAE

@AshleyNunn It's really funny to hear what random noises your mouth ends up making, haha. There's also a rule where each of the three tries on a single card has to be faster than the previous, so if you start out trying to speak really fast because you think it's easy, the second time you say it has to be faster, and then even faster. So you can't get too cocky either, but you also can't go too slow or else you fail too.

@JasonBerkan Oooh okay.

Powerlord

@Yuuki Wrong answer! You missed such an easy question?!

user15026

9:25 PM

@FAE Oh my goodness.

murgatroid99

@Powerlord But that's the correct answer

Powerlord

(You did notice "why" was one of the answers, right? :P)

Yuuki

@Powerlord I was trying to be ambiguous there. I guess it worked?

FAE

@AshleyNunn Yeah, it's a nice little wind-down game, good to play after a day of strategic stuff, but fun and silly too.

Powerlord

Scooby Doo, wherefore art thou?

Name of a 60s television cartoon in olde English

user15026

9:27 PM

@Powerlord Scoobydoo, why are you?

Jason Berkan

Except wherefore means why.

user15026

That makes no sense.

FEichinger

@Powerlord ... You do realize 'Why' is the correct answer, yes?

user15026

Wherefore means why, she is questioning/bemoaning Romeo's being from the family her family is feuding with.

spugsley

I wish I knew Japanese :( It seems like such a cool language

user15026

9:28 PM

/takes off English major hat

FEichinger

Where - fore. For what reason. WHY.

Powerlord

I guess I should go back to fighting jQuery/JavaScript/DOM/IE11 since clearly Olde English isn't my forte

Yuuki

Olde Englishe*

FAE

@AshleyNunn I used to have the balcony scene memorized in high school. I carried around a complete works of Shakespeare book to read during study hall and people used to think it was a Bible because it was just plain black with gold embossed letters that were worn off and had that super thin paper.

murgatroid99

@Powerlord That's not even Old English. Shakespeare wrote in Modern English

user15026

9:29 PM

@FAE I loved books like that. :D

murgatroid99

Old English was a completely different language

user15026

@murgatroid99 Old English is much more alarming to the untrained eye

Jason Berkan

Old English is incomprehensible to English readers (or at least this English reader).

FAE

@AshleyNunn They're so great. :D Nicely compact and handy. It's at my parents house still though, unfortunately, somewhere in storage.

Jason Berkan

D'oh.

user15026

9:31 PM

@JasonBerkan Yeah, it is a lot different than what we use. It helps to treat it like a completely different language.

FEichinger

@JasonBerkan ∞

Jason Berkan

Ye flipping gods - SpaceChem gets hard. I'm scared what the last levels are going to be like.

MBraedley

@FAE yeah, what @JasonBerkan said. It was company time, so I was expecting a charge code for it.

FAE

9:46 PM

@MBraedley Yeah, I understand now. Yay free food and golf at least?

Frank

Question: Work on model, or play Metroid Prime?

MBraedley

@FAE Yes, and not really dealing with evening rush hour

@Frank model

FAE

@Frank taaaaaaake pictuuuuuuuuuures

Frank

@FAE I actually have some. :P I just haven't uploaded them yet.

FAE

yay!

Frank

9:59 PM

@FAE Presented without context

And with that, it's time to go work on it some more.

user15026

@Frank So many bits :D

Frank

@AshleyNunn A ton more than last one. The box this thing comes in is...kinda huge.

spugsley

I obviously need to move to Norway.

user15026

@spugsley This comic is related but mentions sex toys, so you know, NSFW and all that.

spugsley

@AshleyNunn now I'm extra moving

@AshleyNunn on a completely unrelated note, have you heard of the Ogham alphabet?

user15026

10:07 PM

@spugsley Yeah I have, it is another thing that fascinates the shit out of me

spugsley

it's fucking beautiful.

I can't stop looking at it

and learning how to write it

FAE

@Frank so much stuuuuuuff

badp

@WorldEngineer wat

@spugsley Stuff DLC

now with 25 more pieces of stuff

including: a pen cap, a watch handle, a phone cover, a battery lid

What other stuff can you find in the Stuff DLC?

What kind of stuff can you do with that stuff?

Where can you stuff that stuff?

If you stuff that stuff where stuff shouldn't be stuffed what sort of stuff will happen?

Is the Stuff DLC stuffed with stuffed bear's stuffing?

spugsley

I would absolutely buy stuff dlc

I love stuff

so much stuff

James

@Yuuki was it just their weight? 10stone is a measurement of weight I believe?

GnomeSlice

10:13 PM

Those are the only types of first date people have?

That explains a lot

James

@GnomeSlice Not the only types but when they are the only options it expresses a certain amount of a persons attitude and expectations :D

Yuuki

@James Stone in this case is mostly likely (due to the nature of the tongue twister) 石, or "stone" as in "rock".

Stone lion statues are ubiquitous across China.

Blem

@AshleyNunn oh Finland, you so crazy

user15026

@Blem That comic makes me so happy

Yuuki

Also, stone is a European measure of weight, I believe.

Not Chinese.

Blem

10:16 PM

@AshleyNunn How to pick up girls... or somthing

2

GnomeSlice

@Blem I'm not sure if I should star this or flag it.

Blem

@GnomeSlice flag it for what?

Yuuki

@GnomeSlice Neither is a pretty good and safe strategy.

James

@Yuuki oh, I thought English wasn't Chinese either :)

GnomeSlice

@Yuuki That's what I'm going for.

@Blem I dunno.

Yuuki

10:19 PM

@James ... huh?

That sentence did not parse.

2

Im off, nn people

REAL PUSHEEN

To those far enough north and with clear sky's tonight, go look at the northern lights tonight and tomorrow.

badp

@MBraedley slight envy

James

10:22 PM

@Yuuki The riddle was not written in Chinese so thought maybe it was translated from chinese stone to measurement stone?

FAE

@MBraedley aw, I wish I could see these

Yuuki

@James Well, I guess it's a riddle. It's more famous as a tongue twister though.

MBraedley

@badp I might not be able to see them either. NS is only 45deg north.

Also, it's cloudy

badp

I think the easiest way for me to see one would be watching Frozen in a 3D theater

and they've stopped playing Frozen in theaters

spugsley

@FAE :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

badp

10:24 PM

alternatively I could wait for an Oculus Rift.

FAE

@badp Netflix?

@spugsley CAT SO FAT

badp

@FAE 3D?

Rachel

anyone happen to have the download files for Craftbukkit 1.8 for minecraft?

user15026

@FAE OMG I love this

James

@Yuuki Oh, Doesnt seem too hard to say in English... or so says the voice in my head :D

FAE

10:25 PM

@AshleyNunn kitty so faaaaaaaat

user15026

Makes my mom's loafcat seem skinny

FAE

@AshleyNunn haha loafcat's an awesome word

user15026

@FAE Here he is being Jabba the Cat:

MBraedley

@Rachel I doubt you'll find any, unless the DMCA issue has been resolved.

GnomeSlice

na.alienwarearena.com/giveaways/…

user15026

10:27 PM

Rachel

@MBraedley Ok thanks, figured I'd check. I'm not sure how long they were available before the dmca

Unionhawk

@Rachel Craftbukkit 1.8 isn't done yet. You may see it for 1.8.1, but check the date; those are for beta 1.8

Also, that, it might be longer than normal

FAE

@AshleyNunn hahaha that's amazing

Rachel

@Unionhawk Ok thanks

Lazers

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Q: How do I bring back Talos?

During Skyrim's Civil War, I sided with the Empire because I thought that the Stormcloaks were just racist pigs. However, through the quest (and particularly the end), I thought that they had some pretty good points (Talos). Is there a way (through regular gameplay, commands, or mods) to bring T...