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12:30 AM
@DavidZ Looked like it was about code maintenance to me, so I VTC'd it as such.
 
1:22 AM
@KyleKanos it [gitting all of the things] really is tremendously helpful.
 
Hah, I was just about to respond to your comment here
 
I feel completely free to experiment, try things out, throw them out, what have you
I can always roll back
I have backups
It's great
 
ctrl+z works fantastically well for me
:D
 
You must not have large projects ;)
 
The hydro code I'm using is 60k+ lines
 
1:24 AM
and it's not checked into a version control system?
 
Not my copy
I'm not a developer for it
They use git
But I'm by myself and I only modify 1 subroutine that I wrote
It's 1300 or so lines
 
I recommend you try it out, it has really changed things for me. It really takes no time at all once you've learned the basic commands. I've converted our whole group to git, we have a central group server and we use it everyday to share code for our various projects back and forth. We also use it for single user stuff, and for pure latex for papers even. Its been fantastic.
 
IDK
My code is currently complete & running on a cluster
So it's only a short while before graduation
And I'm planning on entering the private sector (finance, if I can pass the test come January), where I might have to use it for the code they use
I do have a github account that I've used to post things there
But I don't use it for anything research-publication-ready
 
1:51 AM
Tahj Boyd finally looking okay as a backup QB
And apparently my safety's been off all day. Not sure how that happened
 
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@KyleKanos every project I do, whether writing simulations or analyzing data or writing a paper, begins with git init in a new directory
 
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It's such a relief to have the full history in case I go down the wrong road, and it also doubles as an off-site backup, since I push to github after any commits.
 
@ChrisWhite amen
 
I'm just not ready for this level of commitment.
:D
 
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If not commitment, how about blaming others for breaking things? :p
 
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1:58 AM
(my favorite name for a command)
 
@ChrisWhite Well, if you're solo, you probably don't need that to determine who last changed what
 
user54412
haha there's nothing like finding out I'm the one to blame for the bugs
 
@DavidZ: I thought briefly about making it an answer, but I don't think that type of question is a fit here on this site, hence the VTC (following ACuriousOne's answer in your recent Meta post,).
 
2:36 AM
@Jim if I may offer some advice -- don't get sucked into an argument about the checking work comments. That's one of those that will be maddeningly endless and circular, nobody will win
@ChrisWhite We write our papers in git repos too, it's so much easier
 
 
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12:07 PM
@ACuriousMind hey, have you seen this one: physics.stackexchange.com/questions/133078/…
 
 
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1:44 PM
@Phonon Hmmm...I not sure why the OP thinks that the image would change instantaneously - won't the photons that are entangled with the new image still take five hours to reach the earth?
 
@ACuriousMind I think in that scheme, he's assuming that the entangled pair in the second path (not going to the object) remains on earth.
@ACuriousMind but the article itself is more interesting, than the thought experiment in Pluto I think, as I commented in this post, I don't see how passing through the crystal doesn't collapse the photon onto one single path...
 
Jim
@tpg2114 Okie Dokie. Not usually tempted to argue with Dilaton. Anyone determined enough that they start their own website presents an opposing side that even I wouldn't dare argue with
 
@Jim I debate with him because of his complete lack of understanding of how things are actually working here in an effort to bring him back
 
@Phonon Ah...I misread the setup. But now, I don't see how you would get an image at all: The two pairs of ent. photons are created on earth, one of each is sent towards Pluto, and before they interact with the cat we try to create the image out of the two remaining on earth. I literally ask: How on earth would that work?
 
Likely futile, though
 
1:56 PM
@ACuriousMind ahaha :DD indeed
@ACuriousMind let's see if the full article will be accessible some time soon on arxiv...because as it is right now, there's too little detail to allow for any speculation
 
It's certainly interesting
 
Jim
@KyleKanos Futile arguments can be the most fun. Arguments where the other side never presents more than one point or opinion; those are never a good idea
 
@Phonon It reminds me a bit of the counterfactual measurements, like with the Elitzur-Weidman bomb tester
 
@ACuriousMind yeah exactly, thought the same when I found out about it
 
@Jim Possibly true
 
2:00 PM
@ACuriousMind they shouldn't call Quantum Imagine, rather "Abusing Entanglement" :DD
 
@Phonon I think "Abusing Entanglement" covers almost every weird experiment in quantum physics I've ever heard of ;)
It's fitting, though :P
 
:PP
any other nice reads you've come across lately?
 
@Phonon I'm kinda "on vacation" at the moment (not a real vacation), so I'm not reading as much as normally here (and elsewhere), but in general I'm a bit disappointed in the question here in the last few days
 
@ACuriousMind ah okay, yeah I agree with you. haha that's why I tried to shake it up a bit with this yesterday physics.stackexchange.com/questions/132974/… not much success :D
 
@Phonon That question I read, and though it is clear and possibly interesting, I was a bit puzzled by someone asking for the axiomatization of approximations (since the "precise" Boltzmann definition by microstates needs no further axioms, that's what entropy is). I'm not sure there'll be an answer other than..."Um, we just guess the terms until they work?" (stated with a bit hyperbole ;) )
 
2:17 PM
@ACuriousMind haha yeah, that's what I thought first too (and it may turn out to be the only correct answer indeed), then I figured there must be a common ground for modelling such entropic terms (mathematically), where as you say, from a physical point of view they all should boil down to describing the number of microstates available in conformity of a macro one.
 
@Phonon: We can only hope. ;) I gave up the hope that such approximations are really justifiable when I learnt that the r^{-12} in the Lennard-Jonas potential was really just a guess - we could as well take any other number around 12, and no one has a theoretical justification for any of these
 
@ACuriousMind all this can become very frustrating, specially when you're studying polymer physics (as I am right now), because for each case, there are always these entropic terms that appear from nowhere (no derivation ever shown), but they make perfect sense physically. e.g. Liftshitz entropy, attributed to the state of homogeneity in polymer chains (expression in the post), a lot of intuition is indeed involved here.
@ACuriousMind haha yeah ;)
@ACuriousMind and then when you're faced with a system you haven't studied before (Aktin e.g.) you have absolutely no clue where/how to begin to describe the entropic interactions of the system
 
@Phonon That sounds indeed awfully frustrating
I've never done anything like that, so I've no clue if it beomes better with time
 
@ACuriousMind I guess the moral here for you is, "stay in QFT" and enjoy your gauges while they last :D cause condensed matter physics is an absolute mess :((
 
Haha :D
 
2:26 PM
Hey Danu
@Danu any chess lately? haha
 
@ACuriousMind I think more can be made of it - since we have more generalized notions of entropy. Someone who really knows these things should be able to cook up a general recipe of what entropy needs to satisfy
 
@ACuriousMind did you see that nonsense from CuriousOne in the comments under my post? what is he going on about...no clue, I wanted to reply saying "whatever makes you sleep better at night man!.." but I figured it wouldn't be appropriate... haha
 
@Phonon I'm kinda busy looking for places - although I do squeeze in the occasional game
 
@Danu: My comment in bobie's thread was posted when he/she first the question & did not state anything about the motor but included particles (see the source here)
Once it was edited to talk about motors, I deleted the comment because it doesn't really apply then.
 
@Danu cool, yeah I understand, hope you find a nice place soon, tonight we could play if you're not busy
 
2:30 PM
@KyleKanos I didn't see that edit yet - sometimes I wish I got pinged more. But I did find the answers to that question very surprising, I had a professor tell me magnetic fields never do work.
@Phonon CuriousOne really went a little far there :P
 
@Danu yeah...
 
2:47 PM
Just for the record here guys, what is going on with magnets doing (no) work? Is this not a settled issue?
physics.stackexchange.com/questions/10565/… this is quite confusing to me
 
2:58 PM
@Phonon I think their main point is the one sentence they say: The use of mathematics in physics is a tool, it's not an end in itself. They seem to strongly believe in testing theories by experiment (as I do), and since axioms like "f must be differentiable" are not testable, they seem to assign no value to such discussions. That's wrong, of course.
Discussing axiomatic formulations is necessary since we want to present physics as a coherent structure, not a unordererd conglomerate of descriptions of experimental facts.
 
@Danu Martin Gales' answer in that post, I think, convinced me.
 
@ACuriousMind I like your last sentence a lot, agreed!
 
3:14 PM
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Q: Can I close my own question without deleting it?

Rahatis there a way I can close my own question once I have received a satisfactory answer? I don't want to completely delete it as I might need to access it later. Thanks.

 
Jim
4:01 PM
@ManishEarth I've always wondered about your name. Is it Manish Earth, or is it Man is hearth, or even possibly Manis hearth?
Or maybe Mani shearth, but I'm not sure what a shearth is or what having many of them would be like
 
@Jim I believe Manish is an Indian name, so it is most probably Manish Earth. (Obviously, I cannot know)
 
I might run out of VTCs today :/
 
@KyleKanos I'd give you the 9 I've remaining (since I'll be away for the rest of the day), but I think that's not how it works :P
 
It's days like these that I wish I were allotted more than the 24 I've got
 
I wonder how they came up with the number 24. One per hour in the day?
 
4:14 PM
I guess
Maybe you can farm rep on Mother Meta by asking that question
Or maybe someone already asked
 
Hm...here it seems that Jeff just said..."Oh, well, 24 is a nice number, let's make it the standard"
 
I saw that too
But not explanation of why it is so
Though the 50 at SO makes sense since it's so massive compared to every other site
 
 
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5:41 PM
Ugh.... I just saw something that is making me sick
if ( profile .eq. 3 .and. restart .eq. .false.)
First, guy is using the dot-notation for equality instead of ==
Second restart is a boolean
And he's comparing it to .false.
Rather than .not. restart
 
Hi there, I have come to talk about a meta topic, is any physics mod or active site user here?
 
I'm an active user
No mods are in the "who's here" bar on the right
 
Hello Kyle Kanos, please have a look at this Area 51 post.
I would like to have opinions from users here on whether this would be feasible for Physics.SE or not. And would you guys be willing to accept it?
 
@AwalGarg my impression is that it would depend highly on the individual questions. Did you have an example 'what-if' physics question?
 
I personally would be opposed to adding hypothetical physics as a regular feature.
 
5:54 PM
speculative physics is explicitly off topic, but the community has looked favorably on certain hypothetical natured questions.
 
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@ACuriousMind @Jim Yes - see old chat logs:
 
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Dec 4 '12 at 16:17, by Grace Note
Might I ask the proper syllabic breaking of your name?
 
user54412
Dec 4 '12 at 16:18, by Manishearth
@GraceNote Muh-Neesh. The EArth is the English word "Earth" :)
 
@KyleKanos Could you tell me what the problem would be, maybe we can narrow down the concept to a one suiting in here?
 
5:56 PM
The second example is several existing questions: physics.stackexchange.com/questions/73705/…, physics.stackexchange.com/questions/55722/… and their various linked brethren
 
@AwalGarg Questions about physics of fictional worlds are not sufficiently grounded in real physics from here
 
chord through earth: physics.stackexchange.com/questions/7346/…, and linked questions
there was a Grand Unified Theory / self contradiction one recently, though I can't find it right now
many of these questions already exist and some others would be considered on topic
 
@KyleKanos We aren't talking about fictional worlds (for me fictional worlds are those like the Harry Potter worlds but that might be fantasy...). We are talking about our very own world, but just somethings which are unlikely to happen.
 
Fictional for me is stuff like, "What if the sun were replaced by a black hole"
There's no physical mechanism for this to happen, so who gives a crap?
It's an impossible answer
 
@alemi I which case, I see that you guys accept specific "what-if-some-scientific-thing-here" type questions, am I right?
 
6:01 PM
What happens to life if <X destructive event> occurs?
It's way too broad
There's no way to answer it
 
@KyleKanos To add to this, I once pointed out this 'crap' in a Stephan Hawking book asking for a clarification and it was closed as Primarily Opinion Based.
 
@AwalGarg there are certainly hypothetical questions that the community has accepted in particular cases, there are also many that are closed as too broad or speculative. Though if asked correctly and with some decent physics content, I don't think there would be an issue, though the physics.SE would be against adding any sort of meta tag to mark these questions or adopt specific policies regarding them
That is my impression based on some recent meta discussions in meta.physics.stackexchange.com
 
@alemi I was looking forward for the adoption of a tag for such questions, would that not be accepted?
 
@AwalGarg You can always post it on meta.physics.stackexchange.com and see what the community thinks, rather than a few individuals
In fact, I strongly encourage you do that
 
@KyleKanos I thought it would be better to raise the thing first here, and then at the meta site. Btw, the question I was talking about is here.
 
6:07 PM
@AwalGarg IMO, it's probably better to ask at Meta than the chatroom. The Meta will allow far more exposure than here.
 
Since that was closed, I thought it would be better to ask first here.
 
Meta is very different than the main site
Just remember that (a) votes don't count against your normal rep and (b) downvotes reflect a disagreement with your premise/conclusion
 
@AwalGarg my guess is that a what-if tag would be thoroughly rejected on meta. There have been several similar meta-tag proposals recently that have been rejected, as per this mother meta post. A common response to these types of proposals is just to try asking some of the questions and see how it goes, but be careful to choose the questions and word the question appropriately
But you could always ask, to spark discussion
 
@KyleKanos It seems it is already raised here.
@alemi I am talking about a tag for the main site, so that all questions asked in this category could be tagged with the tag.
 
@AwalGarg That's what he means
meta-tags on the main site is discouraged across all SE network sites
 
6:11 PM
@KyleKanos ok.
 
@AwalGarg you should make your arguments in an answer to that meta.physics question you found, which would pop it to the top of the list an invite further discussion
 
@alemi ok sure, I would do that.
 
6:26 PM
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A: Are 'what would happen if' type questions appropriate for this site?

Awal GargI would like to revisit this, with context to an Area 51 proposal which seems to be attractive. The site proposal proposed by a user Krumia, is also based on XKCD What-If book. The proposal is attractive, but I guess not enough to propose an entirely new SE site for the purpose. So I proposed...

@alemi @KyleKanos ^
 
6:48 PM
@Jim Manish Earth :p My name is Manish, I once appended Earth to it long ago to create a unique email address and it stick
 
I've seen a Meta post about how to ask homework questions, but are there some guidelines about how to answer homework questions? Search gave nothing.
 
7:17 PM
@firtree It's in this post:
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A: How do I ask homework questions on Physics Stack Exchange?

David ZSummary It's not enough to just show your work and ask where you went wrong. If you just need someone to check your work, you can always seek out a friend, classmate, or teacher. As a rule of thumb, a good conceptual question should be useful even to someone who isn't looking at the problem y...

>Providing an answer that doesn't help a student learn is not in the student's own best interest, and if a solution complete enough to be copied verbatim and handed in is given immediately, it will encourage more people to use the site as a free homework service
 
@ACuriousMind 24 really is a nice number, so many divisors :D
@alemi You mean the one by Kyle?
@firtree generally, I think it's sensible to stick to only pointing out which general technique to use or giving a different type of hint, never providing a full solution.
I personally rarely bother to answer an obvious HW question, but that's just a matter of taste.
 
Note though that Homework has a slightly different meaning around here
(As evidenced by the beginning of the Meta post I linked to)
 
 
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9:00 PM
@ACuriousMind lol I asked a question in the math chat, and was treated... with a strange attitude haha
definitely more welcoming here ;)
 

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