Game Development

In SharePoint Designer 2013 they actually removed the design view, which is sad because I always used it to quickly jump me to the appropriate position in code.

Where I would write some sexy XSLT

I'm afraid to ask... anyone else ever use XSLT? It's interesting.

MickLH

lol is that like XACT?

SpartanDonut

Not at all lol

"EXtensible Stylesheet Language"

In my use case it was for transforming XML data into stylized HTML

It was pretty cool because it was like writing HTML as if HTML had programming logic to it. You could manipulate strings, conditionally choose which data to show and how to style it, etc.

Icy Defiance

can't say I've ever used that

AttackingHobo

MLM

4:27 PM

Unite 2014 Keynote livesteam: youtube.com/watch?v=5RZBxGexCuk

MickLH

@AttackingHobo can I has mesh and lightmaps?

SpartanDonut

@MLM Meh... send me the cliffnotes :P

MickLH

@SpartanDonut dude so much win, that's the seed for a nice piece of rhetoric

AttackingHobo

@MickLH hmm?

SpartanDonut

@MickLH ikr?

MickLH

4:29 PM

it's not easy though lol, maybe something about the key to not falling off the cliff being...

SpartanDonut

Just glanced at the feed and had to giggle at "two singletons referencing each other is crashing unity"

clicks and hopes for dramas

PsychO PhobiA

Josh

SpartanDonut

Less drama than hoped

AttackingHobo

@MickLH what?

MickLH

@AttackingHobo Of your scene!

AttackingHobo

4:31 PM

@MickLH you want the blend file?

PsychO PhobiA

Can you explain what Main () is in C#?

MickLH

Sure, but I don't have cycles, I was hoping for the lightmap too

@PsychOPhobiA entry point

Take note! The key to climbing the cliff is to take cliff's notes of the keynote. In all keynotes.

AttackingHobo

@MickLH I didn't bake any lightmaps

MickLH

but you can

PsychO PhobiA

okay

MickLH

4:32 PM

hehe I understand if it's too much work

AttackingHobo

Just download blender?

SpartanDonut

@PsychOPhobiA msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms228506(v=vs.90).aspx

MickLH

@AttackingHobo oh does it come built in?

PsychO PhobiA

@AttackingHobo You have blender!!!??

AttackingHobo

yes

MickLH

4:32 PM

cool, I thought I would have to install it myself

AttackingHobo

@PsychOPhobiA yup

SpartanDonut

This chat has suddenly gotten out of control. Time for lunch

PsychO PhobiA

Awesome!!!!!!! I have it too!!!

AttackingHobo

Made this last night to test out lighting a room with natural lighting.

PsychO PhobiA

Well for almost 5 months of using it but still

SpartanDonut

4:33 PM

@AttackingHobo I'd say mission accomplished.

PsychO PhobiA

Nice!!!!

Wish i could show you mines but um some people in here think i am a show off

MickLH

I wish people just were born with in-depth knowledge of psychology

Why can't people just get it?

BlueBug

@AttackingHobo looks very calm.

AttackingHobo

@PsychOPhobiA no one cares, just post em.

PsychO PhobiA

@AttackingHobo I have blender 2.71 now so I have even attempted to create anything yet. Lot of work on my hands

AttackingHobo

4:36 PM

@BlueBug yeah, it has a peaceful feel

MickLH

Valve knows why

Valve has studied this, that's why they use orange and blue lights to create comfort and tension in their games

PsychO PhobiA

^ ?

Oh... How you know

?

MickLH

Because I read everything I can get my hands on

PsychO PhobiA

You know I have been hearing that for Science fiction games, they have to add blue as if it is a very attractive color like mAss Effects games

MickLH

And I've got a nice cache of files from Valve that I straight up should not have, but I think they actually did a public PDF about that one

Noctrine

4:38 PM

orangeandteal.tumblr.com

AttackingHobo

@PsychOPhobiA I think I have been using blender off and on for 8 years

MickLH

developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Color_Theory_in_Level_Design

PsychO PhobiA

@AttackingHobo Oh your more Experienced

I needed a experienced blender teacher :)

Too darn expensive!

@AttackingHobo I tried to create a blender game multiple times and then finaly achieved my goal but ran into a few problems

MickLH

> For example in Half Life 2 pale blue lights to create a cold feeling in the combine citadel. Warm yellow lights to create a comfortable feeling inside the Black Mesa East. Half Life 2 uses this as a practice...

PsychO PhobiA

@MickLH I never really understood thatg until now

Thanks Mick :)

Colors can make things feel different can they?

Noctrine

4:42 PM

Entirely

MickLH

lol are you serious? color is directly a feeling

Christoph

Of course they can

MickLH

color is one of the very few things you actually feel

(as opposed to the common usage of "I feel" which actually just means "I think")

user4704

igda.org/news/179436/…

5

PsychO PhobiA

So if I was playing halo and walked into a room lit with red light would that mean something bad?

MickLH

4:44 PM

No, it would just feel like a room with a red light

Which kinda does feel bad to me, but it just is what it is.

user4704

Color -- lighting and environment -- can evoke an emotional response, in the right situation. It's a bit of a fluffy science though.

Noctrine

When you see a flashing red light what do you think?

user4704

"Blue" is often considered a "reassuring, safe" color for example.

Christoph

I'd say it's some kind of alert - depends on the context though

(red)

PsychO PhobiA

@Noctrine If I seen a flashing red light, I would run the opposite direction because I know it would be scary to know whats there. Man I feel so scared I'd pass out.

MickLH

4:48 PM

I've found blue does make me feel reassured, and sometimes safe depending on the shade, but also has a somewhat uncomfortable, professional, almost sterile vibe to it. but again that's just my perceptions

wow that was the longest lag I've ever experienced on this chat

PsychO PhobiA

What do you mean by sterile vibe.

MickLH

vibe = dem feelz; // very objective

Christoph

blue is often considered a "cold" color @MickLH so you're definitely not alone with that

PsychO PhobiA

Yeah "red" would be considered a hot color right?

Christoph

yup, orange as well

PsychO PhobiA

4:50 PM

Blue feels good but red is feels bad

OMGtechy

Christoph

light of a certain color can also hide things making for cool riddles

PsychO PhobiA

Okay this color talk is scarying me

I feel the chills....

MickLH

@PsychOPhobiA By sterile, I mean something like that emotional pressure you get when a robot holds you

Christoph

so no need to leave the chat because it's already in your head!

MickLH

4:53 PM

That feeling like there's no empathy to be found for miles

Combined with an eerie silence

Christoph

or techy sounds

like a beep from time to time

MickLH

yeah that's nice, some subtle whirring too

maybe even a resampled dot matrix printer, slowed down by a few times and equalized to have very little bass again

PsychO PhobiA

Never let a robot hold you

MickLH

@PsychOPhobiA Never say never, oops I said never, oops I said never, oops I said never, oops I said nev- divide by zero

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Yay programmer art!

Did my best.

It's made using a mask and a base texture, so it might still look at bit funky.

PsychO PhobiA

4:56 PM

Especially the robotic sounds they make when they are chasing you or moving around. And if those robots had eyes that are red I'd run faster than fast

@William'MindWorX'Mariager What you use to do that nice art you have there

MickLH

@William'MindWorX'Mariager I think it looks nice? lol I have to see it with more stuff going on

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Photoshop. But it's mostly pixel art, so anything that allows you to work on pixels.

With transparency to make the masks.

MickLH

MS Paint works fine for pixel art :P

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Yeah

PsychO PhobiA

MS paint isn't really a good graphic art solutions these days is it?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

4:59 PM

Visual studio has a nice editor for pixel art as well. It's simple, much like MS Paint, but also supports transparency.

MickLH

I'd love to see a giant, handmade pixel art portrait of someone

If I had one, I'd hang it up in my house lol

Pixel art from the days that would have been if the old days leaked into the future a little more

Like some 18-bit pixel art

Christoph

How about a screenshot from any indiana jones game?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I think I'm satisfied with the rock edges for now. Also made one for smooth wall edges. Should be enough for now.

MickLH

@Christoph doesn't quite feel right! doesn't feel hand drawn

SpartanDonut

From the survey Josh posted - "Average # of Employers in the Past 5 Years: 4" - yeeeesh

Christoph

5:03 PM

@MickLH ah right I forgot about the handmade aspect. but you could use one as a template and redraw it on graph paper on some free days

or years

MickLH

hahaha

PsychO PhobiA

Fudge

SpartanDonut

56% of game developers say "We need a union"

MickLH

good point, brb devoting life to creating 16 megapixel pixel art portrait

Icy Defiance

@SpartanDonut that's where I'm at too, but I guess it's surprising that it's the average

given I'm still in college

PsychO PhobiA

5:05 PM

Can GIMP create mega pixel Pictures?

Icy Defiance

wat

MickLH

Your mom can create mega pixels

AttackingHobo

►

Almo

i have 6 employers last 5 years. 5 if you count grip/autodesk as same since autodesk bought grip while I was there

though it looks like I'll be at this one for quite some time

PsychO PhobiA

@MickLH What did you say about my mom!?

Icy Defiance

5:06 PM

@PsychOPhobiA megapixel, one word. it means 1 million pixels. and yes, that's just a 1k x 1k picture, probably smaller than your monitor.

SpartanDonut

@Almo yay

Almo

:)

AttackingHobo

Super smash with rift looks pretty awesome

How cool would it be to play a fighting game with an AR headset

SpartanDonut

@AttackingHobo not cool lol

PsychO PhobiA

Epic

And boring

AttackingHobo

5:07 PM

@SpartanDonut huh? No like you could see the characters on a table top in front of you

SpartanDonut

In that case maybe

PsychO PhobiA

@AttackingHobo Thats kinda crazy dude

AttackingHobo

Hmmmm. I wonder if you could put a mirror sphere on the table, then composite that out, but use the pixels from that to light the virtual things in the real scene?

SpartanDonut

Still tempted to get a Rift.... might wait one more revision...

There was a Kotaku article the other day that almost pushed me over the edge

MickLH

I need to get a rift soon too :/ just to continue development on my renderer

AttackingHobo

5:10 PM

@MickLH why do you NEED a rift for making progress on your renderer?

MickLH

:/ because I don't want to work hard but I'm running low on cash again

@AttackingHobo because my favorite feature of my renderer has nothing to do with lighting or texturing

AttackingHobo

What part?

MickLH

I'm more focused on providing a satisfying input handling feel, and preventing motion sickness

AttackingHobo

Oh ok, yeah that you would need a rift for.

►

MickLH

So far it works on both goals, every single time I've had humans test it, every gamer without exception has said "wow this is smooth" or something equivalent, And nobody has gotten motion sickness when panning left and right quickly, but I've only had one person who's verified to get motion sickness

Joe

5:13 PM

@SpartanDonut is it more affordable now for the dev kits?

SpartanDonut

I think they're like $300

Or something...

Joe

yea crap thats dropped ALOT

SpartanDonut

$350 actually

Joe

werent they 2k?

SpartanDonut

oculusvr.com/order

I don't know =/

MickLH

5:15 PM

I'm hoping I can hold off until sub $100 lol

AttackingHobo

@Joe There was a shortage for a while so people were reselling them for a lot.

@MickLH Have fun waiting 5 years

PsychO PhobiA

I have goood question

Since you al No U.S. so well

MickLH

lol @AttackingHobo, well I don't expect it to get there in time :P, but I'm still gonna sit around hoping as long as I can work on something else in the meantime

PsychO PhobiA

Did Christopher Columbus discover the Americas?

I am really confused?

MickLH

God that's so fucked up, @PsychOPhobiA

PsychO PhobiA

5:17 PM

Marco Pollo claimed he did

MickLH

Lets not talk about the state of history education in this world

PsychO PhobiA

But then the Indians believed they did

MickLH

You'll see how screwed up it all is, just take everything with a grain of salt

PsychO PhobiA

Okay.

MickLH

Just remember how people tell their side of the story

AttackingHobo

5:18 PM

I don't concern myself with history too much. Most of it is editorialized bullshit

MickLH

And remember how history is stories about countries

And remember how your country is "educating" you about history

And keep this one around too: So that it's not so bad when those ones click together: That it really must be done this way to keep the stupid masses at bay

Christoph

Think about how countries try to explain to people what's happening right now - that's even worse

MickLH

lol, I like @AttackingHobo solution

Just ignore the irrelevant bullcrap and have a great life

AttackingHobo

Can I affect the situation, does the situation affect me? No. Ok, not concerned.

PsychO PhobiA

Its a disscusion I have to type

MickLH

5:22 PM

@PsychOPhobiA just say whatever your teacher said

PsychO PhobiA

My classmates thinks its lies but I am not sure

Icy Defiance

I think it's important to know both what is taught and the reality of history, partially because history can be learned from, but more than that, it's very helpful to explain the motivations behind what various groups do around the world

MickLH

It doesn't matter what's right or wrong in school, it's about making your teacher mark the right checkbox near your name.

That's it. I mean try to learn something if you can, but don't trust it any more than you would trust the internet.

PsychO PhobiA

Don't won't to get an F saying its lies. The only chance I have is to quote and get sources and stuff to keep the F off my buttt

MickLH

hahahahaha open-minded face

Christoph

5:24 PM

If your teacher gives you an F for questioning something, he's worth less than the book he's using to teach you. This would be a reason to talk to someone who could fire him

If you just claim "that's all lies!" without making a real argument then you're on the wrong path though

Icy Defiance

@Christoph he's probably forced to give an F for any answer that doesn't agree with the textbook. questioning things is a different discussion.

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I seriously gotta bookmark the good things I find on OGA.

Now I'm looking for some assets, but I have no idea how I found them back then.

SpartanDonut

^

When I go on an OGA spree I just download everything I find interesting

AttackingHobo

@William'MindWorX'Mariager use your history

Almo

I think I would discuss the meaning of the word "discover" in that sentence.

He wasn't the first European to get there, though it appears he's the one who made it seem important.

Icy Defiance

5:28 PM

@PsychOPhobiA if you want an actual answer instead of just a bunch of hate on the education system, the vikings discovered north america about 500 years before columbus, but they didn't stay long. but the first humans to discover north america were thousands of years before that (45,000-12,000 BCE) and they're now called the Paleo-Indians. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleo-Indians

Almo

so you could argue he made the knowledge of its existence more important in Europe, which had huge ramifications historically speaking.

MickLH

You're taking a lot of big risks giving him information like that

Almo

haha :)

I wouldn't say that

MickLH

He can research on his own, and if he can't he should be learning how to

Almo

oh from that perspective

well yeah

Icy Defiance

5:29 PM

right, @PsychOPhobiA, if you want to regurgitate what I said you'll have to find your own sources

Almo

but even when I was in high school, the whole "CC discovered america" was becoming "CC 'discovered' america"

MickLH

And you don't know his teacher, if you give him correct info but it's only source is Wikipedia, then you could be setting him up for a shitty situation where he's right and the teacher is wrong

Icy Defiance

that I'm not worried about. I mean it's not my problem.

AttackingHobo

@PsychOPhobiA pro tip, use wikipedia, but click on the sources that are linked and make sure they are good then use that as the source, not wikipedia

Almo

^

Icy Defiance

5:30 PM

also, check the source's source

Almo

and the source's source's source.

Icy Defiance

I've seen a few examples where someone edited wikipedia, then sourced that page in a new paper, then the wikipedia article was edited to source that paper, creating a circular reference

Almo

hahaha

MickLH

I can't wait until we can just check Wolfram Alpha instead, and have it compute the closed form solution to the universe at that exact point in space and time.

AttackingHobo

theverge.com/2014/8/19/6045973/…

MickLH

5:32 PM

do want

AttackingHobo

I have never seen a phone more stunning looking than that

It looks so good it looks fake

Almo

looks like an Apple product.

Christoph

to me it looks upside-down-ish

MickLH

god android's text icon bothers me so much

Almo

this is droid, right?

Icy Defiance

5:33 PM

lol no, the iphone has a lot of space around the screen. this is better than an apple product.

Almo

I don't mean "it looks like an iPhone"

I mean, it has the clean lines and simple design of an apple product

like this thing

AttackingHobo

@MickLH I never use the default skins so I can't really comment

Almo

a non-apple pal of mine bought that as his first apple product, since it had an FM radio he could pause

as soon as he had it, he loved the shit out of it.

was funny

sure I could come up with a game for it

nice challenge. video game on a one-inch screen

Joe

@AttackingHobo is this a real thing yet?

AttackingHobo

@Joe yes. click the article

oh its not launched yet, but its real

Sprint only though.

$239 without a contract, very impressed with that pricing

Alex M.

5:38 PM

it looks more bling than clean and simple to me

iPhones are going that way too

with silver/gold-ish home buttons

and double color backs

Joe

still looks badass

MickLH

damn ghetto music infecting everything

Joe

well need a better screen protector system for something like this though

damnit... why must you guys show me cool tech deals, i have a limited budget

AttackingHobo

IDK that design seems very useful and not about bling

PsychO PhobiA

I have been researching and found nothing

MickLH

5:42 PM

It's all about that Bling! Ching! Ching! wowo Ching! wowo Ching! aouw

Icy Defiance

MickLH

thank god

Christoph

what if someone sticks one with a $49 reward on the other side?

MickLH

do the last 4 digits look like 6439 to anyone else?

MLM

6431 to me

maybe 6421

MickLH

5:47 PM

oh lol, I was debating between that and 6408

if maybe, they let the pen too light at the bottom of the 8

AttackingHobo

1428

Don't think its a 6, look at that other six, way dark

MickLH

but maybe they did that on accident, the circle is filled in, maybe the next one is an overcompensation in darkness and "spin"-ness

AttackingHobo

Not enough bend on the top as well

42 pretty confident, but the last one is a toss up

MickLH

well it looks like the blur is simple, maybe it can be processed to create possible arrangements of pixels with the same sum

and then those can be filtered and sorted by spatial continuity, and some radial heurestic for the black mark's width

Icy Defiance

I have figured out the actual phone number, and you're all wrong (except for the 4), but I'm not gonna dox someone here. probably shouldn't have even posted an image with her full name... but it's been all over the internet already so meh whatever.

PsychO PhobiA

5:53 PM

Who puts up flyers of an lost Ipod Touch????

Who wants to give it back for some stinky $50

MickLH

and maybe, just maybe the reconstruction that fits both the smoothness and line fatness characteristic best is a legible phone number

PsychO PhobiA

Who wants to give it back at all?

SpartanDonut

@PsychOPhobiA A thief who really needs the money but has a guilty conscience.

Christoph

Doesn't even need to be a thief

AttackingHobo

@PsychOPhobiA :/ I have returned things that people have lost to them, and I have found wallets and taken those to the managers of the place that I have found them in

MickLH

5:58 PM

Icy Defiance

LOL

MickLH

enhance!

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