No, it's actually quite different from the basic meaning of から. It's hard to explain by ellipsis―although there have been some attempts to explain how the meaning originally arose through ellipsis, which makes sense since it's a conjunctive particle 接続助詞 and not a sentence-final particle 終助詞. Although some people would say in this meaning it has become a 終助詞 or is used like a 終助詞

Hmm... Where's a good explanation…

@3to5businessdays In western dialects, verbs ending in /u/ take different forms with 〜て・〜た・〜たり etc. For しまう for example, they ended up with しまうた, and then the regular /au/ → /o:/ sound change shifted it to しもうた (pronounced like しもーた)

In Standard Japanese, it's taught that the less common verbs 問う and 乞う follow the western patterns, so you have 問うて and 乞うて rather than the expected *問って and *乞って

But in western dialects, this happens more generally

So you should be able to understand もーた as appearing to be a form of まう, after which you could ask if し is left out or if there's another explanation

(I always assumed し was left out)

Have a good night!

Hope you don't mind me jumping in even though the question wasn't addressed to me :-)

I should ask a question about ら抜き言葉 [EDIT: I asked the question!]

@Choko Ah, you found it in a dictionary! Yay! I was having trouble finding it

大辞泉 is a pretty good dictionary, huh

@非回答者 Although I didn't address my question to you, I certainly didn't mean to exclude you, and I appreciated your response! I asked a question about it on the main site

Thank you for responding!

I usually think of chat messages as public so anyone can respond to any message if they think they have something to contribute. I don't know if that's the wrong way to think about it

But even if I send a message to a particular person I never mean to exclude anyone else :-)

殲　←　This is hard to read on my screen :-)

殲滅

I'm supposed to know that kanji, but I had to look it up…

Hehe, it's fun to say even if it sounds silly :-)

@Choko Oh! Hehe. Have you ever clicked "Ask Question" before? It says...

Ahh :-) Hehe.

@Choko See, it's weird, right? I don't think you can't click "submit" without typing something...

It says "Title is missing." if you try

So it's almost like they typed it in themselves :-)

I was impressed by that particular title

Well…

Stack Exchange doesn't allow two questions with the exact same title.

So no one will ever be able to ask "What's your Japanese language question? Be specific" again!

@Seitaridis Hello! I think the best place would be on Meta.SE: meta.stackexchange.com

That's the meta site for the whole network, and chat is a network-wide feature.

I'm afraid I have no idea.

Oh, dear :-)

That might not be the most efficient way to learn Japanese

I'm sorry, I tend to type whatever I'm thinking into chat… :-)

@Seitaridis がんばってね！＾＾

Who, me? :-)

Oh, well, I was a teenager and I was kind of depressed because my parents were getting divorced, and I decided to try to learn something new to to take my mind off it, and I had a friend in high school who spoke Japanese, so they taught me some basic things :-)

Somehow Japanese seemed like a much more interesting language than French! I was learning Spanish and French before that

My first book was Japanese for Busy People but I didn't read most of it. I don't think I'd recommend it.

But I used the chart in the back of the book to learn kana, so it was useful :-)

A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar was pretty helpful. These days a lot of people recommend the Genki series of textbooks.

I took a look through Genki recently and it seems like a good pair of books!

There are three books in the "A Dictionary of 〜〜 Japanese Grammar" series: Basic, Intermediate, Advanced. I think that when you're starting out, for a while Basic is the only one you need out of those.

@Seitaridis I would recommend learning to read and write kana as soon as possible. It's not a really big task so I don't know about tools like that, but…

You can use this website! realkana.com

I think most people (not all) would agree you should try to use kana as soon as possible and avoid rōmaji (romanized Japanese)

I started learning Japanese in the 90s, so I'm sure it would be different today :-)

There are a lot more online resources today.

You can probably learn a lot faster than me.

Umm... It varies :-)

I try to do a couple hours of listening practice each day

I think it's more important to make sure you're consistent and learn / practice every day.

I've done some tutoring but I'm not an actual teacher, unless you count writing on Stack Exchange :-)

There are a bunch of ways. I think the best is to have Japanese you can listen to, along with a transcript of that Japanese. These days, that can be a lot of things

You can watch Japanese television or movies with captions / subtitles, you can listen to and read the news, you can get a paper book and an audiobook recording of the same thing

There are textbooks with audio recordings, and there are graded readers with audio, like the White Rabbit ones: japanesegradedreaders.com

Then there are a bunch of ways you can practice.

You can simply read along with the audio.

You can try to listen without looking at the text, then look at the text to see if you got it right.

If you have Japanese-speaking friends, or if you have a tutor, you can try to speak with them :-)

You can sign up for "language exchanges" online, where you spend half the time speaking English (or another language), and half the time speaking Japanese

I think it's very helpful to read along with audio, because it helps you get the right idea for how everything is pronounced. You can't get 100% of pronunciation from kana alone.

Oh! If you enjoy Japanese cartoons, there are a lot of subtitles online of various quality (mostly good, some iffy).

kitsunekko.net/dirlist.php?dir=subtitles/japanese

Until you can read at a decent speed and read a fair number of kanji, you might have problems reading along, but...

You can nonetheless use them as transcripts.

And look up words you don't know, and so on.

The site I linked to has subtitles available for episodes 1-24 of Death Note.

I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by Jan

Ohh, I'm afraid I don't. Is it good? :-)

Neat!

I read things and looked up kanji as I went.

One of my friends is taking Japanese classes, and she's given graded readers on paper, and those are published with audio CDs.

I think there are a number of options, but I don't know of any specifically for Android.

I don't have any graded readers myself.

Today, I made fried rice for the first time in almost a year. So tasty.

I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop and someone to tell me I'm very confused, because this is three JLSE users in a row who've said that ば attaches directly to vowel-stem verbs. I guess they say 食べば instead of 食べれば?

But 〜られる conjugates like an 一段動詞.

So if you wouldn't say 食べば, why would you say 食べられば?

@EiríkrÚtlendi To me, if I put it in 学校文法 terms, 食べれば is 「食べる」の仮定形「食べれ」に接続助詞「ば」

@EiríkrÚtlendi Where did the other れ go?

Because 〜られる conjugates like an 一段動詞, it has a 仮定形 of 〜られれ. If you drop the ら, then you have 〜れれ…

@EiríkrÚtlendi In that case, you're back to explaining why you don't say 食べば :-)

Hah.

Well, there is if you're using a ら抜き analysis

If you're just going to call it the short potential, then you can say it's 〜れる, but it still conjugates like an 一段動詞, right?

So its 仮定形 would be 〜れれ

ね？

@EiríkrÚtlendi If it's 一段活用 then why is it "already 仮定形"? The 仮定形 for 一段動詞 is formed by adding れ to the 語幹, as in 食べ＋れ＝食べれ

If you don't add that to 〜れ, then isn't it not 一段?

@EiríkrÚtlendi Hmm. I don't understand that. I don't think the ら抜き form is made by adding る to the 仮定形