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12:10 AM
@Paulo Hi Paulo How are you doing?
 
@HarishKumar Fine, thanks. :) And you?
 
1:02 AM
@PauloCereda I am fine too. But not able to get free time :(
 
@AlanMunn @egreg ref chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/16578711#16578711 , thanks. This is what Mathematica generates :(. I'll try to see if there a work around it. If not may be I can ask for help on main site if you think this question might be useful.
y'(x)-\frac{y(x)^2+1}{(x+1)^{3/2} \left\left| y(x)+\sqrt{y(x)+1}\right\right| }
 
1:18 AM
@Nasser It's missing the parenthesis \left( but this is better to be asked on Mathematica.SE
and also \right) obviously.
 
@percusse I asked about it in the Mathematica forum. But since it seems like a Latex bug, not sure what else to do about it. Send email to Wolfram Research. Meanwhile, I was wondering if there is some trick or something I can do in the preamble to patch this so I can compile my latex file, since I do not want to manually fix/edit each case since this script runs many times. Would this still make it valid question to ask here?
 
@Nasser It is definitely not a LaTeX bug. It generates the wrong LaTeX code. It is trying to write (|x + ... |) but the outer parenteses are skipped.
The reason might be that Mathematica doesn't know how to handle nested delimiters and trying to render (| as a single delimiter via left and right.
 
@percusse sorry, I meant it is latex bug in Mathematica generation code. Not a Latex bug is texlive. Yes, it generates the wrong code. But the question if there is a way to write a macro that checks for \left\left.... and re-defines things correctly so I do not have to do manual edit/fixing each time I generate the Latex. So it is a Latex question.
If I want for Wolfram to fix this, it will take years may be, who knows.
 
@Nasser I am almost sure that it will break things. Use Find/Replace instead. It's much safer.
 
@percusse ok thanks. no problem, just thought to ask. Sometimes experts here can do magic macros to fix things.
 
1:30 AM
@Nasser Don't get me wrong you can still ask for it but I would stay away from nesting the problem into deeper macros. When things break down, it's harder to find the cause that way.
 
@percusse What is actually needed is to remove the outer \left's !  Like this:
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{amsmath,mathtools}

\begin{document}
\begin{equation}
y'(x)-\frac{y(x)^2+1}{(x+1)^{3/2} \left| y(x)+\sqrt{y(x)+1}\right| }
\end{equation}
\end{document}
There was no need at all the an extra () around, since the | | acts as a () any way.
 
@Nasser Find \left\left and replace it with \left or with \left(\left| same for right. But in general I don't like auto generated code of Mathematica or Matlab. It's 99% of the cases (whenever they are sophisticated enough) ugly. For example, I would separate the denominator and use 1/|...|
 
I find may programs that generates Latex have bugs in the Latex they generate. Must be hard to get this right.
 
2:22 AM
Anyone can help here:
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Q: Why IEEEtran with blurry with XeLaTeX but not with PDFLaTeX, and how to fix it?

MehrdadThe question is pretty simple. Compiling this code with PDFLaTeX \documentclass{IEEEtran} \usepackage{lipsum} \begin{document} \lipsum \end{document} gives me back whereas compiling the same code with XeLaTeX gives me back I'm curious why this happens, but more importantly, I'd like...

See also our chat room discussion. I am out of my comfort zone on this one, and on the way to sleep. :-)
 
 
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6:09 AM
@JosephWright Daily spammer: tex.stackexchange.com/users/59112/ling
 
@HeikoOberdiek Zapped
 
 
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7:23 AM
@DavidCarlisle Any thoughts on tex.stackexchange.com/questions/191489/…? I think the conditional definition can just get moved.
 
8:22 AM
@HeikoOberdiek want to pick up some easy points? :-)
OK or I may see if Heiko's around and wants to pick up a point or two;-) — David Carlisle 4 mins ago
 
8:57 AM
@DavidCarlisle And what about easy points for you?
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Q: Correct pronunciation of graphicx?

Przemysław ScherwentkeI know that this question may be not in the main stream, but it is the matter of communication. We have LaTeX graphic packages graphics (s as standard) and graphicx (x as extended). I am thinking that the former should be pronunciated /ˈɡræfɪks/, but what about the latter?

 
@egreg @DavidCarlisle Isn't that ^^^ more of a meta Q?
 
@Johannes_B It's a meta question about TeX, but not a meta-TeX-sx question :-)
 
@JosephWright Yeah, that's true.
 
@egreg I always go with 'graphic-x'
Same as 'si-unit-x'
 
@JosephWright I too.
 
9:04 AM
@JosephWright I pronounce it the same.
 
Yeah, a consensus ;-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Majority wins :-)
 
9:26 AM
@JosephWright I always agree with @JosephWright
 
@DavidCarlisle So this is full consensus. ;-)
 
10:00 AM
@DavidCarlisle See my comment. :P
@egreg: Oh no, Xubuntu! :)
 
10:17 AM
Great, now I want to play Zelda.
 
@PauloCereda Of course. But for installing QTikZ I needed Qt. :(
 
@egreg Ouch. :(
 
@PauloCereda 200+ MiB.
 
@egreg Pretty much it. :(
 
@PauloCereda Now that I know QTikZ, I can remove it.
No, it's a very nice tool.
 
10:23 AM
@egreg Leave it, it can be of use later on. :)
Mar 17 at 17:42, by David Carlisle
@JosephWright no
:)
 
@PauloCereda answering a question negatively isn't the same as disagreement.
 
@DavidCarlisle hey don't spoil the moment with your fault-proof logic. :)
Dear Ohloh user,

We would like you to be the first to know of an exciting update to Ohloh.net. This week, Ohloh will be changing its name to the Black Duck Open Hub.
Apparently, ducks are a trend. :)
 
@PauloCereda Interesting site
I see they've got LaTeX down, but I think they are a bit confused: ohloh.net/p/latex seems to refer to LaTeX3 not LaTeX2e
 
@JosephWright I used to have a couple of projects tracked by them, but I got lazy.
@JosephWright Maybe Frank could claim the "ownership" of the project and update stuff. :)
 
Actually, I'm not quite sure what they are tracking!
 
10:38 AM
@JosephWright That's the problem. :P
 
Trying to track both SVNs and failing to keep up :-)
 
@JosephWright :)
@David: no Triforce in picture mode? :)
 
11:31 AM
You learn something new everyday... or so they say.
Thoughts on why bibtex entry keys are not case sensitive?
It seems like everything else in the TeX world is case sensitive, so I was surprised to discover a citation that worked, but seemed like it shouldn't (because of change in case)
 
11:57 AM
@PauloCereda one done already:-) but I'm out of action as I'm moving stuff to new machine... (wow installed cygwin in under 15 minutes rather than half a day as previously... seems like an i7 and an ssd disk is faster than an i5 with an old disk that keeps blue screening with disk errors ...
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh you won a new PC, I forgot about it!
 
12:11 PM
@DavidCarlisle Yes, SSD's are slightly more performing than the old ones. ;-)
 
12:36 PM
@egreg Just a bit. :)
 
12:58 PM
#Goal
 
1:13 PM
Friends, a quick poll: grind lines in plots or not?! I just got feedback from a reviewer who said that one should never add gridlines, but IMHO they can add clarity. Opinions?
 
@Ingo Hm I think it depends of the plot.
 
Another small question, after seeing tex.stackexchange.com/q/1930/21930. What's the real reason to use \begingroup. It seems that the only relevant “pro” is that is transparent in math mode. Isn't anything more behind them (versus the usual grouping { or \bgroup)? I'm disappointed :D I always thought it was more important.
 
1:41 PM
@PauloCereda I think so too. Just trying to build some argumentation for the reviewer (allthough that's maybe not the best idea :-]). Unfortunately I don't have a copy of Tufte around, maybe there would be some points in there.
 
2:01 PM
@PauloCereda Are you still dreaming about Germany-Brazil?
 
@egreg Every time I get distracted, Germany scores. :)
 
Werner update: 71 to go! And still under rep cap by 60.
 
@Manuel well why pick on \begingroup you could ask about any primitive. \begingroup can be used in less places than \bgroup so the fact that you get an error in the other cases depends on your point of view, as to whether a program should silently tolerate users or if it should complain if they stray off the signed path
@egreg easy points and two badges (after a helpful edit I should add:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Unmerited, of course. :P
 
@egreg of courxe
 
2:14 PM
@David: did you install TeX?
:)
 
@PauloCereda not yet don't want to do too much until everything copied from old machime. I was going to just zip stuff up and copy it but was told to use the "microsoft transfer wizard" and that said it was going to take 2 hours so I went to a meeting came back and it says it's got 5 hours to go....
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh my!
 
@PauloCereda Thing is once it's copied everything I'm going to delete most of it as new disk is ony 1/3 size of old one, but at least it's an excuse for not doing too much today:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
@egreg Werner is just one accepted answer away from the club!
 
2:32 PM
@GonzaloMedina let's see if @egreg cares enough to ask a question that Werner could answer/accept
 
@DavidCarlisle He's Canadian, so I leave the honor to you, as a former owner of the Dominion.
 
@PauloCereda why did you remove the source code of arara from github?
 
@izabera I'm cleaning the repository, there was a lot of things in there, so I'm slowly updating things. But the old code is accessible from past commits.
 
yes i know, it just seems a little weird
 
@izabera As it was, the repository was a mess. I'm just trying to clean up things.
 
2:46 PM
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@Werner has made it! Congratulations!
 
@Werner Congratulations!
 
The party should start!
 
@Werner, you beat me to it:-)
 
In BC it's 7:50 AM, probably he's still sleeping.
 
@Werner: congrats!
 
2:51 PM
@JosephWright do we have a plan for fixing tex.stackexchange.com/questions/191587/… ?
 
hi friends, i'm new in this page.
 
@TamerKözleme Hello!
 
@TamerKözleme Hi! You have arrived in the middle of a party! We're partying because our esteemed member @Werner reached 200K reputation! A very great achievement!
 
@TamerKözleme Aloha!
 
yes 200,019 very big score Congratulations @Werner (:
 
2:56 PM
@DavidCarlisle There should be a switch for the \end... macro (and the inner \environment... ones not to be \protected). Otherwise there's no hope.
 
i have some little question in tex (i ametur latex user ) can i ask you ?
 
@TamerKözleme Sure! But first you must answer a cricket question asked by @DavidCarlisle :)
 
@GonzaloMedina I'm not sure cricket is so popular in Turkey (where I guess @TamerKözleme is from).
Somebody go and wake up @Werner! We need him here!
 
@egreg Cricket is not popular anywhere!
 
@egreg certaintly (:
 
3:01 PM
@TamerKözleme I saw some dotted I's in your questions. ;-)
 
@TamerKözleme I was just kidding before. Go ahead and ask!
 
Football is popular in turkey as ewerywhere ;)
thank you. in content, i want section, subsection same line( same indent)
 
@TamerKözleme I just gave an answer to your question in the main site a few minutes ago. Isn't that what you want?
 
oo thank you @GonzaloMedina i see now. i think i'm not adapting rule in main site so i want ask here.
 
@TamerKözleme No problem. Does the answer do what you need? I wasn't sure about the kind of alignment you are after.
 
3:10 PM
yes, this is i was looking for. thank you again @GonzaloMedina
 
@TamerKözleme You're welcome!
 
@Werner's here!
 
@Werner So, congratulations, once again!
 
Start the party! Congrats @Werner!
 
Who has the cake?
 
3:19 PM
@egreg what do you want from me in main site ((:
 
Have @DavidCarlisle bake one in picture-mode with his new-fangled SSD
 
@PaulGessler wasn't it you answered that triangle question with picture mode? I'll forward all Paulo's picture questions to you
 
@TamerKözleme I took the liberty of editing your question in order to make it clearer. I hope you don't mind.
 
Thanks @folks!
Being chased by @DavidCarlisle is a good motivator.
 
@DavidCarlisle yes, that was me! :)
 
3:27 PM
@egreg I'm on the bus heading into work...
...so my P-A-R-T-Y here will be short-lived.
 
@Werner I'm going to leave the office in an hour. ;-)
 
@Werner congratulations
 
@egreg Different time zones... and then again, you're in awesome Italy.
...while I'm in amazing BC. :)
 
@egreg, just kidding. rule is rule ;)
 
Morning, I just got an idea. How about compile a book "LaTeX tricks collection, selected from TeX exchange top voted questions". :)
 
3:46 PM
@Daniel Like this one?
429
Q: How can I explain the meaning of LaTeX to my grandma?

Stefan KottwitzI wrote a book about LaTeX, and my proud grandma wanted to have a copy. So she got it, said "What a beautiful picture on the cover!" and - "What is this, LaTeX?". She doesn't know Word, never used a computer. But she reads books. How can I explain what makes TeX and LaTeX special to a non-techni...

 
@egreg David and I still harvest rep from that. :)
 
@PauloCereda got 20 within the last 7 days:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
@PauloCereda I am envious.....
 
anyone know enough tikz to draw one curve?
Yes, I changed the brevefill with the less heavy one and it's certainly better but still to thick. In any case, thanks a lot for the effort you put into this. Really. — Sabian 2 mins ago
 
4:52 PM
@DavidCarlisle I'm not sure I understand you (or you understood me). I was just asking… because my feelings was like \begingroup was more robust (not in the TeX way), like if \bgroup (which is {) was the poor-man's groups, and \begingroup was the high quality one. But it seems that except for that transparency in maths… there is no other reason to use \begingroup. I mean, every \begingroup in all the questions and answers this page could be just a \bgroup, or am I wrong?
What, if we dismiss the transparency in maths, was the reason or need for this kind of groups?
 
5:15 PM
@DavidCarlisle Have been busy: haven't seen it
 
5:44 PM
@Manuel well as I say you can usually replace \begingroup by \bgroup but not the other way round, so you can choose to use \bgroup or \begingroup depending on whether you want an error:
\documentclass{article}

\begin{document}

\def\aaa#1{\begingroup \itshape#1\endgroup}
\def\bbb#1{\bgroup \itshape#1\egroup}

\aaa{hello}   \bbb{hello}

\hbox\bbb{hello}

\hbox\aaa{hello}

\end{document}
@Manuel in the above \bbb silently works, but \aaa is an error, so when making the definition you have a choice on what usage you want to accept (althouh hard to think of a pure latex example, I used the \hbox primitive here for a reason:-)
 
6:02 PM
@DavidCarlisle Does MathType use MathML? I guess it's something like MathJax.
 
@egreg it can export as mathml (or latex) but doesn't use it internally as far as I know (I don't have it:-)
 
6:27 PM
Apparently, fonts do matter. :)
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@PauloCereda you'd think that after the first time he'd duck his head
2
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
6:46 PM
I'm confused as to why there are more command codes after the catcodes and some command codes are duplicated under different names. Why not separate out the builtin tokens
For example, comment, end_match, & stop (used by \end & \dump) all use 14. They seem different enough to warrant separation.
 
@PauloCereda suggestion for the next version of arara: let the user select some sort of fallback for when no arara directive is detected
 
@DavidCarlisle Okey :) I expected more magic inside \begingroups :P
 
@PauloCereda this way one could always run arara on any file and if no % arara command is detected it could run pdflatex by default
 
@izabera Added to my list, thanks. :)
 
thank you
 
6:59 PM
@izabera My pleasure. :) I'm actually writing the whole thing from scratch.
 
@PauloCereda In Java or a new language?
 
@bb010g Still Java. :)
 
7:11 PM
@Manuel tex is what it is:-)
 
it's spammy trivia time!
an evil mastermind kidnapped an infinite number of smurfs and caged them in a room.
he said them: "tomorrow i'll give each one of you a hat with a real number on it and i'll put you all in a line. you won't see the number on your hat, but you'll see all the numbers on the hats of the smurfs after you. if you guess your number correctly you'll be free, otherwise i'll kill you. muhahaha"
the smurfs are quite smart, and they found a strategy that will save as many lives as possible. what's this strategy?
 
Oh, that one.
 
:D
 
There's a variation on it involving a Moebius strip, but I don't recall how it went. :( I wish my professor wasn't such a horrible narrator. lol
 
well this one should "work" with any path shape, as long as any smurf can see infinite other smurfs
 
7:27 PM
I'll tag you when I remember it or when I happen to see him again, I work through summer anywaa
 
Frank is in witchcraft mode lately. :)
 
Is this a far-feteched "to be frank" reference ? :D
 
@1010011010 Nah, I was talking about some new answers on the site. :)
 
got it!
 
@PauloCereda So that Ohloh thing: I've registered myself for 'LaTeX' as they've got it anyway :-) ohloh.net/p/latex
 
7:34 PM
@JosephWright Cool! Claim your commits! :)
 
@PauloCereda Well the stats are meaningless: they are only reliable for the 'SVN era', which means I come up very high. None of the early CVS/email commits count, nor of course does LaTeX2.09 (no idea what Leslie did version-wise)
 
@JosephWright Ah.
 
@PauloCereda To be fair, they do say:
> The source code for LaTeX might actually be older than the source control history can reveal. Many new projects begin by incorporating a large amount of source code from existing, older projects. You might be able to tell whether this is the case by looking for a rapid rise in the amount of code early in the project's history.
 
@JosephWright :)
 
7:57 PM
@bb010g Are you referring to “TeX the program”?
@PauloCereda Did you hear that Conte resigned? There's a good Brazilian manager who is free, ATM. ;-)
 
@JosephWright or rcs mostly when the main 2e development done
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes, that too :-)
@DavidCarlisle Like I said, Leslie doesn't show up: clearly misleading!
 
@egreg I just read the news. :( You could get Felipão. :)
 
@PauloCereda That's the one I was thinking to. What do you say?
 
@egreg No. :)
 
8:13 PM
@PauloCereda We could engage him for Palmeiras. :P
 
@JosephWright whst is thst site anyway?
 
@DavidCarlisle Ask @PauloCereda :-)
@DavidCarlisle Seems to be some form of tracker for development
 
@egreg Not again. :) We have an Argentine coach now. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle I've got them to fix their record for LaTeX: they were 10 months behind
 
@DavidCarlisle some tracker thingy on the internet. :)
 
8:17 PM
@PauloCereda my new machine is called yaml :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Flanders and Swann In the Desert: "A yaml is approaching." :)
 
@DavidCarlisle No way! :)
@AlanMunn СТОИТ ПУСТЫНЯ :)
 
@PauloCereda the sysadmin amuses himself naming new machines and I guess he knew I knew about *ml things I didn't notice until just now (it's in the default cygwin bash promt:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
@JosephWright: A fellow Brazilian appears to be on an edit spree.
 
@PauloCereda: что? я не понимаю ;-)
 
8:31 PM
@ChristianHupfer Enten sind cool. :)
 
@PauloCereda: Störche fliegen höher ;-)
 
@PauloCereda Moooaaaarrrr reps.
 
@PauloCereda: Brazilians do not like "Thank you" in post, obviously ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer next they will be deleting all references to the number 7
 
@anderson I see quite a few edits over the past few minutes: nothing wrong with keeping things tidy, but remember that too many in a row will 'flood' the front page!
 
8:37 PM
@DavidCarlisle: Well, they should go ahead, I don't like prime numbers ;-)
 
@JosephWright You think that will reach him?
 
@PauloCereda please don't add a default fallback but rather let the users choose if they want one (e.g. via config file).
 
@Werner Mod-ping
 
I guess... I've done that in the past and it worked.
 
(Two @ symbols)
 
8:39 PM
Oh, mod-ping is like the King-Kong of pings...
 
@cgnieder That's my plan. :) Not default. :)
@Werner ooh. :)
 
@@JosephWright... that's my attempt at a King-Kong-Ping.
 
@Werner Did you have your slice of cake?
 
@Werner Only works for mod: I get the option to ping any user on the chat network (by name) or any user on TeX-sx (by user ID)
 
@egreg You mean this?
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Q: How can I draw a cake using TikZ?

N.N.It is always someone's birthday. I would like to use TikZ to draw a birthday cake. There are all sorts of cakes. What I would like is a cake that looks nice and tasty. Preferably a cake with lots of chocolate and vanilla custard. How can I draw this with TikZ? Here is something to start with: \...

 
8:40 PM
@Werner Ping-Kong. :) /ba dum tss
 
There weren't enough candles.
@PauloCereda :)
 
@Werner I just read »Ping-Pong-King« :)
 
@JosephWright I see. And yes, there is a difference between the chat network and the other network(s).
 
@PauloCereda :) thanks
 
@cgnieder My pleasure. :) Don't forget you are on the team. :)
 
8:41 PM
@PauloCereda :)
 
@egreg I should reward myself with some honey - I was stung by a couple of bees over the weekend and had myself a swollen cankle. Not fun.
Does anyone use something like Tampermonkey with Chrome?
 
@Werner Not at all! It's something I fear when bike touring and that's one of the reasons why I always tightly cover my arms, legs and neck.
 
@Werner Missed your party today. Congrats :-)
 
@Johannes_B Yah... it happened mid-bus into work... Thanks.
@egreg Yes. I have been stung about 3 times in the past couple of weeks...
...which, at the current rate, puts me at about 65 stings per year...
...I need some sting-free months or else I'll be the new Michelin Man.
 
@Werner: That's really a high sting rate... I cannot remember to be stung more than three times in my whole 40 years...
 
8:48 PM
@ChristianHupfer Are you a beekeeper?
 
@Werner: That could explain somehow those high rates: Sorry, no, I am not
 
@ChristianHupfer This actually only happened in other peoples' bee yards; not my own. Our bees are very calm, but other beekeepers may handle their bees with less care.
Either way, I only just started, and it's an iffy time of the year.
Lots of wasps around and the food sources are getting scarce.
So the bees are alert, and need to defend their territory.
@egreg Are you allergic to bee stings?
 
@Werner: My late grandfather had about 15 hives, I was there many times, but I was never stung, even without that special suit
 
@ChristianHupfer Yes. As mentioned, I've only been stung in other people's bee yards while they were (man)handling their bees and moving stuff around.
Not really manhandling, but it felt far more aggressive than what I'm used to.
 
@Werner: I am definitely no expert, but I learned that time, that 'manhandling' is no good idea. Why did you choose to become a beekeeper?
 
8:56 PM
Beekeeping?
 
@ChristianHupfer We were involved in some political activities around our municipality, which lead to a change in bylaws. The bylaws were specific to the keeping of domesticated animals on city-like lots.
This included the keeping of backyard chickens...
...and the change in bylaw added that home owners could keep bees.
We jumped on the opportunity, spent about 1 year preparing hive boxes and going crazy learning stuff...
...and got the bees this year.
And I've been stung three times. ;) It's all good!
My sting rate will diminish, for sure.
@PauloCereda Oh yes, I've seen that! Hilarious!
 
@Werner :)
 
@Werner No, but, as you discovered, they hurt. ;-)
 
@Werner: Ok, I hope you are right about the rate of stings ;-)
 
@egreg Yes they do.
 
9:01 PM
@Werner But for you it's professional disease.
 
@egreg Yes...
 
@Werner At least you have delicious home made honey.
 
@egreg True, and I'm looking forward to that!
 
Yay, @Francesco is here! :)
 
@DatEpicCoderGuyWhoPrograms Nice name :-)
 
9:08 PM
@Johannes_B Much program. So code. Wow.
 
Oh no, @PauloCereda has turned to spam speak. :-)
 
@Johannes_B Frag out! :)
 
@Johannes_B thanks! :)
 
@Johannes_B: Paulo manages certainly to speak like Yoda too ;-)
 
One of my favourites was:

`6 4oz wine baby wines brilliant lubrication 51010 engine petroleum ptfe various meats grindersno lbue 51010 -Deadly man`
@ChristianHupfer @PauloCereda can do lots of things.
 
9:14 PM
@Johannes_B: sicher ;-) Und das ohne Ironie!
 
@PauloCereda I was trying to draw a bird today. My little girl said two things: Papagei and arara
@ChristianHupfer Without @PauloCereda she would never know the word arara (me too) :-)
 
@JosephWright This seemed to have worked.
 
@Werner Might have gone to do something else in any case ;-)
 
@JosephWright Ha ha!
 
@Johannes_B: You should teach her to use arara and LaTeX ...
 
9:19 PM
@ChristianHupfer She is almost two years old, i think there is some time left for that ;-)
 
@Johannes_B: No, no, no, as early as possible, otherwise she will fall to the dark side ... MS-Word in school ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer Not under my watch. :-)
 
@Johannes_B: I hope you will succeed... I try to convince my colleagues of LaTeX but to no avail
 
@ChristianHupfer I have turned some of my colleagues (maybe 10?)
@ChristianHupfer But beware, there is a downside. For all of them, i am the come to guy :-(
 
@ChristianHupfer if people already have a »working« work flow it's hard... the only thing I know that works is the visual evidence that LaTeXed documents look better. But also then: some people just don't care...
@Johannes_B I know the problem :)
 
9:25 PM
@cgnieder Just show them chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/16602384#16602384 and tell them that The times of word ended.
 
@cgnieder: Yes, I understand that, but young colleagues, all physics and math teachers like me (ok, they have not done research etc. before) could learn LaTeX to provide better documents.
@cgnieder; Ok, not like me, I am not young anymore :D
 
@PauloCereda I need to ask, where did you find that?
 
@Johannes_B: Lucky fellow :D
 
@ChristianHupfer define young :) I believe we have some residents here who would disagree
 
@cgnieder: Younger than me and having no completely gray hair at the age of fourty: :-((((((
 
9:28 PM
@ChristianHupfer I've seen math and chemistry exercise sheets typeset in Comic Sans. For some people there is no rescue ;)
 
@cgnieder: The typography - spanish - inqusition on those Comic-Sans guys :D
 
@cgnieder A great band once told us something about age:
 
@ChristianHupfer comicsanscriminal.com
 
Signing off for today, good night guys.
 
@Johannes_B: Good night
 
9:32 PM
@Johannes_B see you around :)
 
@cgnieder: Thanks for that link :D
 
@ChristianHupfer :)
 
@Johannes_B awww <3
@Johannes_B I know some wacky places of the internet. :)
@Johannes_B Good night, buddy! :)
 
It's time to go back to the editor - debugging LaTeX code. It's fun ;-)
Good night to all
@PauloCereda: Good afternoon ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer 18:41 right now, so probably night as well. :)
 
9:42 PM
@PauloCereda: I forgot: Southern hemisphere, something like winter there? ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer Yep, it's very cold in here! :)
 
@PauloCereda: I rather referred to the time when sun sets, not to temperatures ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer Uh-oh. :)
I'm a internet guy, I don't look outside. :P
 
@PauloCereda what temperature is cold? 15°C?
@PauloCereda lol
 
@PauloCereda: The rumours about you were true, and it is even worse :-P
 
9:46 PM
@ChristianHupfer Thank you. :) Oh wait.
 
@ChristianHupfer it is, isn't it?
 
@cgnieder 15°C is cold for me. :)
Very cold.
 
@cgnieder: it is, of course, you're right
 
@PauloCereda we had 8°C some days ago... and it's supposed to be summer!
 
@cgnieder Oh my!
 
9:47 PM
@PauloCereda: I can't wait for autumn and winter... I like them more than summer.
 
@PauloCereda but tomorrow we'll have 27°C. The guy in the TV promised!
 
@ChristianHupfer I like autumn and spring. :) Summer is hot as hell and winter is cold... as... hell... (English why)
@cgnieder ooh! :)
 
@cgnieder: That's almost too much for me... and 33°C at the weekend.
I am looking forward for a true winter, with -15°C, such as two years ago
 
Right now we have 21°C.
 
@ChristianHupfer I quite like it, actually. Except for when it get's sultry (if that's the right word for schwül...)
 
9:53 PM
@PauloCereda:: Shall we exchange temperatures right now? ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer Nope. :)
 
@cgnieder: Here in the Rhine valley it is basically always sultry, that's why I don't like it here actually
@PauloCereda: Ah, it's no fun with you :-P
 
@ChristianHupfer Bring me a Bockbier then we have a deal. :)
 
@PauloCereda: I will buy one in those little bottles which are allowed for planes -- you know, not too much amount of liquids in plane ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer They spoil the fun. :)
 
9:58 PM
@PauloCereda: Each day a well-done job :-P
@PauloCereda: Good night, right now ;-)
 

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