English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

@Cerberus yay! context!

con! text! con! text!

5:18 AM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hmm odd.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Oh I misread it as Cerb is the only owner

@Cerberus why is it odd?

I am.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Because mods can do everything owners can and more?

That makes sense to me.

@Cerberus But why couldn't they also be the owner of the room?

I think he created the room

5:22 AM

I don't know.

> And they were chatting. Reg and Rob were telling jokes only they understood. Kosmonaut and Reg and others were having linguistics discussions that stretched beyond my armchair-linguist understanding. Etc. It was a lively place.

You don't remember me! The first linguistic discussions in this rooms were had between Kosmo and me!

whines softly

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Excellent Meta answer, by the way.

@Cerberus I didn't want to overdo the name-dropping.

Haha, flatterer.

No, overload was better.

I like -do

Anyway I can't find who created the room or when the ownership would have been assigned to reg. But for as far as I can recall it's always been his room.

OK.

I can accept that.

And since he's always here, we never really needed a second owner.

I don't think he was a mod when the room was created.

5:27 AM

Oh, I see.

yeah it wasn't until like 6 months later that we had elections

Right.

I wasn't there when the site was created, alas.

hm, I've been a member since 2010-08-13.

I'm glad I checked that. I didn't check before writing my meta post and was thinking that I might have been wrong about the timing of my joining vs chat creation :p

Now I see that I was right.

Of course I was.

once thought he was wrong, but it turns out he was mistaken.

Anyway. it's way late here.

I need to get to bed before something bad happens.

storms off

So, what does the room topic mean?

I never got it, at least not beyond the Jesus's turning-water-into-wine reference.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Unimpressive storming-off.

@Alraxite I forgot.

It is a reference to some funny spam post or other, I think.

5:41 AM

Hmm, okay.

Bed time for me.

G'bye!

Goodnight!

Where did you live again?

You have an astonishing memory for someone with three brains' worth of storage.

I know.

I was thinking Romania, but no.

5:44 AM

I'm from India.

Ahh that was it.

Well, consider it a compliment: your English sounds neutral enough for me not to have any association.

Or perhaps that compliment was not mine to give.

Good morning, and good bye!

Um, Okay. thanks!

@Cerberus I wanted to ask something though.

Yeah?

how do you store your passwords?

also any other important data.

Most are in Last Pass. A few important ones I memorize.

Important data, such as which?

5:46 AM

Anything that can't be stored in text files.

I use Dropbox to back up some files?

I have some copies on external discs.

Right, I see. Just wanted to know what people use.

The best thing to have is one of those services that lets you auto-synchronize, like Dropbox, but let you pick any number of folders from your drives.

I used to use Idrive for that.

It worked well.

What do you use?

For backup?

I haven't set up one for long term use yet.

I do have an external HDD where most of my stuff is.

Why don't you install something like Idrive right now?

Now is as good a time as any.

And you will be glad if your drive should crash tomorrow.

But I'm off to bed.

Bye!

poof

5:50 AM

I know, but I'm not much for online backup given the upload speed I currently have.

Okay, goodbye!

What's your speed?

I have about 1 Mbps up.

I have at most 1 Mbps down.

It takes ages, but it happens automatically on schedule.

That's not much.

And my upload is definitely much less than that

But still, you can have it happen at night. For your most important files?

Oh, well.

5:51 AM

I will use online backup to store my important text files though.

Yes, yes.

Really bye!

See you!

poof

7:03 AM

← 2 messages moved from EL&U 2014 Election

Rajkumar R

8:52 AM

is there any difference between clime and climate?

Matt Эллен

9:32 AM

climate vs clime

most notably: clime is chiefly literary

climate is an everyday word

but the dictionary notes that clime is only synonymous with climate in climate's 1.1 definition.

Why women live longer than men

in Lounge<C++> on Stack Overflow Chat, 20 hours ago, by Xeo

Matt Эллен

because they don't die sooner, duh

:D

is that a lol that doesn't really mean anything?

@JohanLarsson the one with people taking shade under the digger seems OK. The one stretching extension cords on a swimming pool... that can't end well

9:47 AM

do you have exp with T4?

Matt Эллен

I do not

ok, I'll rubberduck any way, here goes: I have Point3D & Vector3D, they were classes with a baseclass for shared stuff, Equals, tostring overloads etc. I thinks structs are a nicer fit for them but then there is no inheritance.

!!define rubberduck

Jarvis

@Robusto It means I ain't got time to learn your $5 words

@JohanLarsson OK, so what does rubberduck mean? Do you mean rubberneck?

9:50 AM

Then I can either a) copy paste duplicate the code (ew) b) use T4 and generate partial classes with the shared code (pretty ew for readability)

!!define rubberneck

Jarvis

@Robusto rubberneck Someone who engages in rubbernecking, or turning and staring.

@Robusto blog.codinghorror.com/rubber-duck-problem-solving

(trying to explain the problem helps solving it)

@JohanLarsson Ah, I've experienced that myself, often. But I didn't know that was the word for that process.

this is probably the first and last time I teach you a word, gonna enjoy it :)

9:58 AM

@JohanLarsson Not if I ever study Swedish.

probably not many minutes

I tried to teach Tom English last night, almost ended up in a fight :)

Who is Tom English?

tchrist

English the language

I know. Just yanking your chain.

@JohanLarsson What was the fight about (or would have been about)?

12 hours ago, by Johan Larsson

@TheodoreBroda Look at it like this: Football makes sense > the English say football > it makes sense that the English guys know stuff about English.

Starts there^

skullpatrol

10:06 AM

True^

Actually a truism :-)

!!wiki truism

Jarvis

Truism

A truism is a claim that is so obvious or self-evident as to be hardly worth mentioning, except as a reminder or as a rhetorical or literary device and is the opposite of falsism. In philosophy, a sentence which asserts incomplete truth conditions for a proposition may be regarded as a truism. An example of such a sentence would be: "Under appropriate conditions, the sun rises." Without contextual supporta statement of what those appropriate conditions arethe sentence is true but incontestable. A statement which is true by definition ("All cats are mammals.") would also be considered a tr...

@JohanLarsson Tom's appeal to numbers is a slippery slope. There are more "native" speakers of English in India than in the U.S., but would you want their dialect to be cited as the "dominant" one? I know I wouldn't.

did you get mad/insulted?

@JohanLarsson You talking to me?

yeah :)

10:17 AM

Mad about what?

about the ~attack~ on your language

@JohanLarsson No, not at all. My language is a big boy and can take care of itself.

ok, it feels better now

@JohanLarsson What percentage of Swedish people don't speak/understand any English? I suspect it is a small number.

I would guess 20%, children under 10 probably don't know that much and people over 70

Depends on how any any is, if it is zero the number if probably lower.

Noah

10:27 AM

Hi

@MattЭллен

how are you

> Need to edit this: A few months ago his backpack got lost. Someone had broken into his car and broken a window.

@Robusto