@terdon ah, Debian. that means that you would have added systemd in on your own. which means that everything will be built for ConsoleKit, not logind. which means that you don't get the Owner stuff.
> "Normally the user who launches a program owns the resulting process. However, if an executable file has its SUID bit set, the file's owner owns the resulting process, no matter who launched it.
at least one of those processes which have different user and owner columns (the mathematica process), doesn't seem to have that flag set, and it doesn't seem to be the child of su or anything of the sort. Just systemd
Disclaimer. I've been on this for 10 days more or less, so don't trust anything I say too much
@mikeserv I am not at all sure about any of that. The Scots are Celts if anything and the English are a weird mix of Celts, the Angles (Germanic tribe) and Normans. Of those, to my knowledge, only the latter are VIking-related.
I doubt that it would be related to systemd. Maybe to a kernel feature, and more likely to the gnome-system-monitor version (or some library that it uses)
@terdon - But about that thing - the francs driving north? They were repeatedly pushed back for centuries, right? As I understand it, that's why there is a scotland at all.
@mikeserv I'm not a historian either but as far as I know, the Franks were a Viking tribe but I would guess there were Celts in Scotland before the Vikings.
@strugee But I'm using logind and I don't have it.
> Library systemd-login offers possibility to display the Unix user identifier of the owner of the session of a process. This information will also be displayed for user processes which are shared between multiple login sessions of the same user, where sd_session will be blank.
@mikeserv Interesting, thanks. I associated them more with the North of England than with Scotland itself, but that's probably 'cause I used to live in York for a few years and they're obsessed with their Viking heritage.
US. Probably why I'm a little weird. In the service if someone noticed something wrong with you they'd say - "Hey, fix your shit..." and they'd done you a favor. At least they told you before it was the sergeant major that noticed.
@Braiam Great thx. I was thinking that if a program doesn't need access to my files, perhaps it makes sense to create some lame new user and run those programs as him
Actually, I only learned most of it in the last few months answering questions here. I learn quickly - but I've got a lot more to learn. I'm just not imaginative enough to come up with my own problems.
@strugee Well, I am actually overkilling on purpose. It's just a desktop laptop, but I'm looking for excuses to learn all this user and privileges thing
No, it's not, but it's a hole. It should usually drop privileges and assume nobody - if it's not otherwise controlled. Right - which is why it should drop to nobody.
@strugee - If you run a service like that and you don't otherwise control it - such as with systemd - you want to safe it. The best way is to drop all privileges and have it assume the owner nobody.
And anyone that sets one up as a high-falutin' bootloader would.
Why wouldn't you? In fact - why would you ever really not? You can just mount whatever you want right into initramfs - you never have to switchroot if you don't want to.
The "Owner" column has to do with the username that own's the session that this particular process is a member of.
excerpt - The Linux kernel
10.3 Sessions
Every process group is in a unique session. (When the process is created, it becomes a member of the session of its parent.) By con...
Well, why? It makes more sense on headless systems. You could setup a serial terminal of course, or you might just include an ssh server in the bootloader.
I did somethng similar a long time ago when I put a little webserver on an old xbox - everything executable was in initramfs.
It's really handy for live discs - if you're going to use btrfs on the target system - because it will perform the installation as merely a function of the filesystem.
I know - I wish.
I can't get it on either of my machines, though I spent many weeks trying.
It was research on that front that led me to clover - which is why I once recommended it to you as a possible path to discover what was up with your video card.
@strugee I have created the outline for a blog entry, but it will take me some time to get it all put together. When it gets anywhere near ready I'll bring it up for peer review.
@strugee I will ask it tomorrow perhaps. I need help setting up a share on FreeNAS, I can access the share from my windows machine or my Ubuntu machine
it tells me that it isn't accepting the connection from my Windows 8.1 machine
Can we please reopenhttp://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/132194/how-to-set-umask-so-that-directories-to-be-r-x-and-files-to-be which @slm closed by mistake
The "Owner" column has to do with the username that own's the session that this particular process is a member of.
excerpt - The Linux kernel
10.3 Sessions
Every process group is in a unique session. (When the process is created, it becomes a member of the session of its parent.) By con...
