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12:00 AM
They are. We do not know. It seems to have to do with CJRT’s requirements that the work be treated in a fully “scholarly” fashion.
 
@Robusto Drawing is ziehen...I got nothing.
 
> Elfcon (also ELFcon), short for "Elvish Linguistic Fellowship Convention", is a convention first proposed by Jorge Quiñónez, and then organized and originally hosted by Bill Welden, dedicated to the study of the languages created by J. R. R. Tolkien. "Elfconners" is a loose term to refer to any attendee of an Elfcon, but the term is by some narrowed in use to refer to a specific group of people involved with unpublished linguistic writings by Tolkien.
Elfcon (also ELFcon), short for "Elvish Linguistic Fellowship Convention", is a convention first proposed by Jorge Quiñónez, and then organized and originally hosted by Bill Welden, dedicated to the study of the languages created by J. R. R. Tolkien. "Elfconners" is a loose term to refer to any attendee of an Elfcon, but the term is by some narrowed in use to refer to a specific group of people involved with unpublished linguistic writings by Tolkien. E. L. F. Conventions The ELFcon was the annual open conference of the E.L.F., advertised in the E.L.F. journals. The purpose of ELFcon w...
 
Ah.
 
@Cerberus Wie heißt die Perle auf Englisch?
 
If you read that, you’ll pick up the controversy.
 
12:02 AM
Bead?
 
But we just don’t know.
Knit 1, Perl 2.
 
@Cerberus That's a bingo.
 
A string goes through beads?
 
I do not believe that anything has been published this millennium from the Elfconners.
 
You know what? Never mind.
You make this too hard.
 
12:04 AM
I'm just dumb.
 
If only it were that simple.
You're far from dumb, but you sure can be obtuse sometimes.
 
I just don't get it, sorry. No idea.
 
To "draw a bead" means to take aim [at something].
That's as much as I'll say.
 
@Robusto I knew that.
Hence my "bullet".
 
12:07 AM
Rob, I think you might actually enjoy the just-published Beowulf for its discussions of Old English.
 
Oh?
 
I’m not sure how many others shall, however.
Yes, it clocks 425pp.
 
Link?
 
Zon.
It’s much more substantial than was The Fall of Arthur.
And virtually all Tolkien père this time, not fils.
The first couple of good reviews explain why it is worth reading for someone into Old English.
 
Interesting.
 
12:11 AM
I was frankly surprised.
I have been so often disappointed of late, by everything really, that I held out little hope that it would be any good.
 
Oh, you should have prefaced that with it being Tolkien's translation. Of course I'll read it.
 
By husbanding my secret hope and not dwelling upon it, expecting little, I was pleasantly surprised by being wrong.
The prose translation is 100pp, the commentary — Tolkien’s own, not his son’s — is ~200pp. There is other stuff there, too.
 
Awesome. I don't know if I mentioned that I did my own translation back in college. I'm sure it wasn't a patch on Tolkien's. But it gave me a feel for the challenges.
 
No you didn’t. That’s interesting. It makes you the ideal reader. I’m not sure that general fans of Tolkien will be into this. It’s more for scholars of Old English.
Well, and literature.
His insights on the language used are unique.
 
Did we discuss Robert Pinsky's translation of Dante's Inferno? He does it from a very Old English mindset.
You'd probably enjoy it.
 
12:16 AM
No.
Is it um what do you call it, two columned?
I read Dante in the original pretty well.
 
You mean side-by-side?
 
Yes.
 
Here's a link. You can download it for free.
 
Ok, I see that the blood levels are getting dangerously high in my caffeine stream.
Thanks.
 
Not side-by-side, but you could have two books open.
 
12:18 AM
Sure.
 
Hmm looks like the conservatives or Christian Democrats managed to keep their losses under control, they are, alas, still the largest party.
 
I hear the euroskeptics made some inroads.
Oxymoronic though that sounds.
 
Hehe yes, they have.
And it is oxymoronic...just as Hitler managed to attain a semi-democratic victory.
Looks like the left won the elections.
Everything up to green is left; yellow is liberal democrats, so semi-left but not always.
I usually vote yellow, but this time I voted green.
 
That just looks wrong.
Like, both conservatives and reformists are lumped together.
 
Anything righter than dark blue is either nutcases or Eurosceptics.
@tchrist Yes, that is stupid.
Those people are nutcases. They include the Tories, did you know?
 
12:27 AM
Yes.
 
OK.
 
I really can’t abide the Tories. It’s in my blood.
 
Note also that most non-inscrits are also nuts.
Haha, understandable.
 
But there are cases where one should be skeptical of vesting too much power into a fundamentally non-local bureaucratic quagmire.
 
I remember encountering the term Tory in the game Colonization.
@tchrist Yes: although the Eurosceptics are mostly nutcases, not all of them are.
And frankly I am not too unhappy about their modest victory.
 
12:29 AM
The colors confuse me.
 
Really?
Red = die Rote Armee.
 
Orange comes between red and green, not after it.
 
The commies.
Hah.
Well, the problem is that the Greens naturally get green, but they are no centrists.
 
And the non-spectral colors are just a mystery.
And where are the violets?
 
You mean the grey ones?
 
12:30 AM
Surely there ought to be violets!
@Cerberus Yes.
 
Okay, let me explain what I think is the logic.
 
You have to understand that red and blue are flackbipped compared to how we do things.
Which is just impossible to get used to.
I see red and I think evil.
Or is it the other way around?
Blue is supposed to a good color, not an evil one.
 
Socialists are red. Greens are green. Conservatives are blue. Those are the traditional colours, kind of. Liberals need some colour, so they get yellow in this case, because it is...a nice colour. Everything else is not a true political head current, so it does not deserve a colour; it just gets a shade of whichever main current it is close to, or grey if it isn't close to any main current, i.e. sceptics.
 
Plus the Tories are the Redcoats.
pines for the violets
 
Ah, yes, I know you have different colours. I can never remember yours!
You have to admit red for commies makes sense, though...?
 
12:33 AM
Red = red-blooded conservative jerks
 
That’s their own problem.
 
It's the traditional colour here!
 
It’s like trying to tell the Sevillanos to stop dressing in KKK costumes. They could not care less.
 
I guess both your parties would be in the blue half here.
@tchrist Haha, of course.
Hey, I'm not telling you to flip colours.
In Holland, liberal democrats are conventionally green. We have no yellow.
And the extreme right is sometimes orange, because they are nationalists.
You know, the House of Orange, the pinnacle of nationalism here.
 
12:35 AM
Democrats are somewhat socially conscious oligarchs; Republicans are vindictive crossburning oligarchs.
 
Heh.
 
That was not meant to be a joke.
It was meant to be honest.
 
However, your Republicans also have a minor branch who are classical liberals, who just want a small state and freedom of speech and such.
 
Do you want their heads to explode?
Go tell them that, please.
 
How about...the Cato Institute?
 
12:37 AM
Green Hornet, right?
 
What?
 
@Cerberus Not exactly. They want a small state unless they're in power, and freedom of speech for corporations, not people.
 
Kato is a fictional character from The Green Hornet series. This character has also appeared with the Green Hornet in film, television, book and comic book versions. Kato was the Hornet's assistant and has been played by a number of actors. On radio, Kato was initially played by Raymond Hayashi, then Roland Parker who had the role for most of the run, and in the later years Mickey Tolan. Keye Luke took the role in the movie serials, and in the television series he was portrayed by Bruce Lee. Jay Chou played Kato in the 2011 Green Hornet film. Character history Kato was Britt Reid's vale...
@Cerberus Evils.
 
How so?
@Robusto I'm sure most of them do, but not the libertarian undercurrent?
 
@Cerberus The libertarians are an unknown. I'm sure if they were ever to get into power they would prove scoundrels like the rest.
 
12:39 AM
@Cerberus Rupert Murdoch. Big Tobacco. You want more?
 
@Robusto That is possible...but who wouldn't?
> In 2003, Cato filed an amicus brief in support of the Supreme Court's decision in Lawrence v. Texas, which struck down the remaining state laws that made private, non-commercial homosexual relations between consenting adults illegal. Cato cited the 14th Amendment, among other things, as the source of their support for the ruling. The amicus brief was cited in Justice Kennedy's majority opinion for the Court.
They are a bit of a mixed bag.
> Cato scholars have been sharp critics of current U.S. drug policy and the perceived growing militarization of U.S. law enforcement.
 
Even the devil can quote scripture.
 
> In 2004, the Institute published a paper arguing in favor of "drug re-importation".[71] Cato has published numerous studies criticizing what it calls "corporate welfare", the practice of public officials funneling taxpayer money, usually via targeted budgetary spending, to politically connected corporate interests.
No, they genuinely have some good things.
 
It is so fucked up I have no words left.
 
The real red-in-tooth-and-claw conservatives are The Club for Growth.
 
12:45 AM
> the political climate has shifted in recent years
@tchrist From your article. There is hope! Every age has its problems.
 
@tchrist The problem is at least partially due to the fact that all these mechanisms the government afforded itself for being tough on crime experienced severe mission creep. The RICO statutes, passed into law because of and once strictly reserved for organized crime, are now routinely used against dentists and the like.
And this is to say nothing of mandatory sentencing.
And the fact that in America we have now resurrected debtor's prison.
We even charge inmates for their keep!
 
@Robusto I know.
 
Mission creep sounds correct: all over the West, the justice systems are creeping into society too much, while they should only be a last resort and rarely used.
@Robusto Our current minister and secretary of state for the department of justice, both whack jobs, want to introduce that here.
 
1:18 AM
@tchrist You want to see the Dutch colours?
Socialists: red (but also orange, the commies).
Liberal-conservatives (Neoliberalists who like harsh punishments): light blue.
Christian Democrats (conservatives): light green.
Dark greyish-blue: right-wing populists.
Light orange: Bible Belt.
Dark green-turquoise: liberal democrats.
They got Amsterdam and Utrecht.
The Greens didn't get a single municipality. But the municipalities don't matter anyway for the European elections: everything is proportional here.
 
 
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2:33 AM
This is marked with the wrong duplicate. — tchrist 2 hours ago
 
Anonymous
I was looking through the review queue and was trying to figure out which answer(s?) that message referred to, but it got closed as a duplicate before I figured it out
 
Anonymous
Hopefully in response to the message :-)
 
Ash
7:34 AM
does they call him elvis or what ?
what does elvis means here if its elvis.
 
 
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9:13 AM
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9:31 AM
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Gross.
 
10:14 AM
Larry Ellison says "you have to put a floppy into your PC to back it up"? When was the last time he actually used a PC, I wonder.
Oh, that clip was recorded in 1998. This is one of the chief problems about YouTube. Clips are dated by when they were put up on YouTube, instead of when they were filmed.
 
Don't back up that floppy!
 
Still, his prediction about when the "network computer" (which wouldn't employ user-installed software) would replace the PC is yet to be realized. IN FACT, it's going the other way. We have smart phones now, and everyone wants a piece of the software market for that.
 
My only user-installed software is a browser. Everything else runs within it.
Well okay, a browser and Darwin's Dilemma.
 
Wow, Larry Ellison really got your number.
 
But I'd play Darwin's Dilemma in the browser if I could.
 
10:21 AM
So would I.
 
Same for "smart" phones. I don't understand any of this app shit. Why people no use browser?
Why do I need an app for every web site in existence if I can just, you know, visit the gorram site.
 
I personally hate having to resort to apps on my phone.
> Today the sun rises in the constellation of Pieces at the spring equinox.
Who broke the sun!
 
10:37 AM
Well for starters, there is a house in New Orleans they call the Broken Sun.
But I must be off to a meeting.
 
 
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1:22 PM
@Robusto They should fix the Sun then because it is about to move into Arrears.
 
Better Arrears than Derrieres.
 
@RegDwigнt It's easier to make a really good app than a really good website. Some things are still impossible with websites. Some things are possible, but only on certain platforms.
And some companies just make really nice apps and really shitty websites.
Like theweathernetwork.com. Their mobile site was awful. It was hard-coded to fit only on the iphone's screen in portrait mode. It was extremely painful to navigate.
Their app, however, is really nice, and it loads much faster than the browser+site combo.
Apps are a sign that the web has failed for mobile.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 see, that's precisely the flaw in the logic. So I need a pair of shoes, but people tell me, hey we make really shitty shoes, but our fishing rods are really excellent, here take twenty.
So rather than thinking about how to make good shoes, everyone is busy trying to walk on fishing rods. And it looks retarded. Shiny as they are.
 
Well, except that the apps typically do everything the website does and more, and do it better. Like fishing rods that come with a free pair of shoes.
 
If that's your opinion on apps, you need to see more apps.
90% of everything is shit. For apps, the number is actually higher.
 
1:36 PM
Well, I have a smartphone, with a mix of apps and websites.
There ARE some apps that are worse than the website. Or better, in some ways, but the drawbacks outweigh the benefits.
Like maybe you don't want the Linked-in app rifling through your address book.
So just use the site, in that case.
But the stackexchange app is pretty nice. It's better organized and easier to use than the mobile site.
So far not enough that I'd recommend using it over the site: SE put a lot of effort into their mobile sites, but I think they need a bit more polish.
 
Zoe
What's up b00bies.
 
2:01 PM
I have 110 apps on my phone, including the built-in ones.
Util 29
Game 22
Offline Media 16
Productivity 21
Browser 2
Website Replacement 15
IM 6
Other 1
So the majority are things that can't be websites, or shouldn't be.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I've pared down my apps quite a bit. I just don't like sharing all my information with someone who makes an app. It's too damned intrusive. Why does a calculator need to see my contacts list? So I can share the outcome of my 57/97.5 operation?
 
@Robusto well, now that you bring it up, what was it?
 
@RegDwigнt That's on a need-to-know basis.
 
@Robusto yeah. that's why I didn't install Linked-in.
 
@Robusto Excellent, as chance would have it I do need to know.
 
2:10 PM
And the reason that mobile web sites mainly suck is that companies who make them still allocate their resources to desktop machines first, and employ "responsive design" (read: irresponsible design) to take care of the mobile apps.
 
Granted: there are tons of shitty apps, or apps that are no better than the website, or slightly better UI but much worse for privacy, etc.
 
@RegDwigнt 0.58461538461538461538461538461538, if you must know.
 
@Robusto nah, the real question is, why are mobile web sites still a thing.
Haven't Apple and Co figured out mobile browsing like five years ago?
@Robusto BRB retweeting.
 
The point I'm making is that a "mobile" web site shouldn't just be a desktop site with "responsive" CSS.
 
@RegDwigнt yes. sorta.
The problem isn't so much the browser vendors.
It's the website makers.
 
2:12 PM
That's what I'm saying.
 
who are not always the same people as the app makers.
So you might have a really nice app and a really shitty website. or vice versa.
 
@Robusto yes, but Apple and Co have been making the exact opposite point for quite some time now.
 
First of all, you have to create a different site for mobile than you do for desktop. You have to pare back your aspirations and code for the platform.
 
And lo and behold, noöne listens to Rob, everyone listens to Schmapple.
 
You wouldn't believe how many "mobile" sites I've seen that still expect you to download 5mb of frameworks, 50mb of graphics, and never dump any memory.
 
2:15 PM
I would.
 
And figure that it's OK to view tables in 2pt type.
 
@Robusto I don't know how much you have to pare down aspirations. You just have to plan well. We are redesigning our websites where I work and will reach 99 or 100% feature parity on mobile.
 
But you also wouldn't believe how much faster WAP went away than I could program a full-fledged site for it. So.
 
@RegDwigнt wap was around for years and years. but it was shite everywhere.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Perhaps aspirations isn't the right word. But they don't recognize that they don't have unlimited memory and real estate.
 
2:15 PM
And a couple years from now, one gig per second will be nothing on mobile.
 
A couple or eight.
 
@Robusto yeah. the first two considerations are screen size and touch-vs-mouse. You optimize performance for mobile and that takes care of desktop.
 
The problem is not that people expect you to download 5mb of frameworks and 50mb of graphics on mobile. The problem is that people expect you to download 5mb of frameworks and 50mb of graphics, period.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 But there is so much legacy code that people are just trying to port to mobile. Without any real re-architecture and damn little refactoring.
 
@RegDwigнt why is that a problem?
@Robusto well, yeah, that's doing it wrong.
 
2:17 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 because there are like five sites in the world for which you can justify that. Everyone else is either full of themselves or incapable of optimizing.
 
Jez
wow, UKIP won the european elections in the UK
 
Surprise, surprise.
 
No idea what that means.
 
Seriously, how is it ever surprising what a majority does?
@Robusto basically everyone, not just the UK, voted anti-Europeans into the European parliament.
 
@RegDwigнt Haha. That has a certain symmetry to it.
Self-hating Europeans . . .
 
2:21 PM
So now the morons actually pay people to not do anything at all.
 
Except that's true of most elected governments.
 
Jez
@RegDwigнt I know the EU are morons but please try not to insult them so much ;-)
 
@Robusto No. Governments are there to do the wrong thing. The operative word is do.
 
Governments have do-support, I suppose.
 
Your government is not there to prevent good things from happening by doing nothing, they are specifically there to actively screw your life up. Yes, yours.
But these people have been indeed elected to jerk off for a couple years, earning millions in the progress.
I mean, those people couldn't do anything even if they wanted to. How does a UK Nazi and a Polish Nazi and a French Nazi come together? Each of them wants to scalp the others. So all that's left is jerking off.
 
Jez
2:24 PM
sorry, you're talking about UK nazis. to whom are you referring?
 
@Jez oh I apologize, they did assemble that stage full of Sikhs and black women and whatnot, so they are officially non-nazis now.
 
Jez
heh
your assertion is just laughable
ok this is fun. umm ok, Labour are nazis
hahahahaah
 
Well, first off I am not talking about Labour, and second off, now that you mention it, yeah.
 
Jez
yeah labour are nazis?
 
Why not. They certainly do nothing to the contrary.
But I was talking about that other guy.
And actually, I wasn't talking about that other guy, either. You were.
I was talking about apps.
 
Jez
2:29 PM
i cant really have a rational conversation who calls prettty much every party "nazis"
i don't understand your use of language
 
Jan 31 '13 at 9:47, by RegDwighт
I am not linking to the Wikipedia article on joke again.
But it will definitely help you with your problem.
 
Jez
oh, well you're not taking the elections very seriously
 
As opposed to the bozos who voted?
Or the 50%+ who didn't even bother with leaving the house?
I would say I take the elections more seriously than all of them combined.
 
Jez
i don't see how
 
For starters, I didn't elect Le Pen.
Or UKIP.
Or NPD.
 
2:36 PM
Hallu
 
180000 Germans gave their vote to Die PARTEI. A joke party run by writers of a satirical magazine.
 
Are ve takin abut the vote?
 
Jez
not really
we're comparing a party that wants to return power to its national parliament to one that wanted to militarily conquer Europe and exterminate millions of people
 
Nah we do no such thing.
 
@RegDwigнt You seem to be implying that there are parties that aren't a joke.
 
2:42 PM
Ah that sounds interresting. Second one is NSDAP, right?
 
I merely mention that a party that is openly anti-immigrant, anti-gay, anti-black, anti-moslem and anti-women is, well, yes, a nazi party.
I am also not the first person to mention that. The press has been full of it for years now.
 
What party is this?
 
Hitler was provably better as he was pro-women, and allegedly gay himself.
 
Ha!
 
He also invented autobahns.
 
2:44 PM
And VW
 
@RegDwigнt And made the trains run on time! Or was that Mussolini?
 
Folkswagen
 
@Robusto I think under Mussolini they still run on coal.
 
@RegDwigнt Hitler's "pro-women" nature is debatable.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 he invented Mother's Day, made it a national holiday and gave them medals. Medals!
 
2:53 PM
> Of the six women Hitler most likely had sex with, four of them committed suicide.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 oh la-dee-da, so you wouldn't kill yourself after sleeping with Hitler?
Just sleep with someone else, collect the medal, call it a day.
 
Of the other two, one tried to kill herself, and the other tried to kill him.
 
Meanwhile, UKIP says "A woman's place is cleaning behind the fridge".
Not to mention bongo-bongo land.
Hitler never called anyone bongo-bongo! He even let Owens run and win.
 
Guys I have a question regarding the english language
Would it be acceptable to use the phrase "He is commonly using inside jokes" be appropiate for a formal written assignment?
 
I don't think you mean commonly. You mean often.
I also don't think you mean using. You mean telling.
Other than that I don't know what kind of assignment it is, so it's formal alright.
Also,
> english (US) Spinning or rotary motion given to a ball around the vertical axis, as in billiards or bowling.
I think you really mean English.
 
2:59 PM
Haha alright :P When exactly would I be using "commonly" then?
 
I dunno. I just wouldn't use it for a single person. Commonly is sort of the opposite of single person.
 
Commonly accepted is not accepted by one person really often.
Commonly told is not told by one person all the time.
Commonly used is in wide use, not in heavy use by one person.
 
So you could say that americans commonly greet eachother by saying "Hi, how are you?"
 
Yes. If they actually do that, of course.
 
3:02 PM
They do in my experience :P
from*
 
(You can hit the up arrow to edit your stuff.)
 
Too late :/
 
3:22 PM
Is anyone using the free version of OneNote?
I haven't downloaded it yet, but from what I've read, it doesn't allow you to save your notes on your computer.
Only in the cloud.
Which is the worst thing they could've taken away.
I meant that taking that away is the worst thing they could've done.
 
3:59 PM
Any mods around?
You guys are getting hit by a spammer: english.stackexchange.com/users/77362/kabdula696
 
Anonymous
Couldn't hurt to @RegDwigнt ping
 
4:16 PM
Ping all teh mods!
 
@Alraxite I agree! Forcing people into cloudy loss of control is bad for us.
Good for certain companies and agencies.
 
Anonymous
@Cerberus I don't put much stuff in The Cloud. Answers on Stack Exchange, I guess. Do those count?
 
@snailboat do you run your own email server? if not, your email could be said to be "in the cloud"
 
Anonymous
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yes
 
@snailboat In that case you have your own cloud
 
Anonymous
4:26 PM
Although I have email elsewhere, too.
 
Anonymous
It's okay. It's just email. I trust it as far as I can throw it.
 
Anonymous
If something bad happens, I'll survive. And I'll have less spam. :-)
 
@snailboat It's pretty light. I bet you can throw it pretty far.
 
Anonymous
By the way, I only learned today that you could link directly to search results on the BYU corpora.
 
@snailboat useful feature, that.
 
Anonymous
I'm so proud of myself!
 
Anonymous
It makes me wonder what other stuff I don't know about the interface to the BYU corpora.
 
Anonymous
Apparently I've done around 1200 searches.
 
Anonymous
That's how you make links—since you all asked!—there's a "history" link, which you click. Then you find the row with your query and click "share link"
 
Anonymous
I'd never looked at my history before, so I didn't know.
 
4:38 PM
@snailboat Yay! I guess they count, if you consider your answers "stuff".
The cloud can be very practical and useful, like Dropbox.
But it is usually best to have it as a back-up and synchronisation of your computer, not as a replacement. And you should not put private information up there unless encrypted.
 
Anonymous
@Cerberus I guess I do. I wrote a bunch of answers, and I've trusted them to Stack Exchange. I don't have backups. Well, I have a data dump from a little while ago.
 
Anonymous
I always wince a little looking back at the content I've contributed, though, so I'm not that excited about preserving it ;-)
 
Anonymous
But it's fun participating anyway.
 
4:55 PM
Haha.
I'm not sure I consider my textual contributions to be "in the cloud".
 

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