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3:36 PM
@@Robert_Cartaino (@msh210 @WAF), could you please drop in here to discuss titling?
 
3:52 PM
@IsaacMoses "Yo, yo."
(What movie is that from?)
 
@msh210 Bullworth
 
@IsaacMoses Hello. My flags were to indicate that a question title could be improved if they were more specific (not use the word "we"). Instead of saying "why do we...", it should say "Why do Chasidic Jews..." or whatever is appropriate for those questions.
That's what people will search for when searching for answers to their questions.
 
@RobertCartaino In both cases, I think "we" implied, roughly "those who base their lives on Jewish law and tradition and anyone interested in learning more," in other words, the scope of the site.
 
@RobertCartaino Yeah, what IsaacMoses just said.
 
... it seems silly for every question to start "In Judaism ..." "Do Jews ..." etc.
 
3:56 PM
@IsaacMoses OTOH "we" can be omitted: instead of "Why do we [infinitive]" it can be "Why [infinitive]".
@IsaacMoses No, not that one. Some movie whose action takes place in the military, and the sergeant (or whoever) is calling the roll, and everyone replies "yo" except one guy who responds "yo, yo". To be honest, that's the only part of the movie I remember.
 
@msh210 "Why double wrap" works fine. "Why not bow correctly" less so, since the question is actually referring to observed practice, not theory.
... and in any case, I don't see how just removing the "we" would help with SEO, which is @Robert's concern, if I understand correctly
 
@IsaacMoses Right. It can be "Why do people not...", but I don't see that that's better than "Why do we not...".
@IsaacMoses Right... but maybe Robert knows something we don't. ...?
 
@RobertCartaino I would expect the Jewish context of all J.SE questions to be provided to search engines by all kinds of important elements on every page, including the title, URL, etc.
 
@IsaacMoses Nobody would go to Google and type in anything even remotely reminiscent of "Why don't we bow 'correctly' anymore?"... so the question is less than findable.
It's not every question. Only two (that I saw) was worded in such a vague context.
Most are worded correctly: e.g. "Did Shuls in Europe display their countries' flags prior to the holocaust?"
My suggestion was only to word ambiguous titles to be more specific.
 
@RobertCartaino Would you prefer "Why don't we bow the way the Rambam and his son said to anymore?"
... and "What's the halachic advantage of double- or triple-wrapping food?"
IOW, you want there to be a specifically Jewish word in every title?
We have link #7 (on my Google at least) here: google.com/search?q=double+wrapping+food+kosher
 
4:06 PM
Specifically: Any ideas for rewording "why don't we bow 'correctly' any more"? I can't think of anything TBH except sticking 'Jews' in there, which is already taken care of in the <title>.
@IsaacMoses 44th for me, and it's the "kashering a microwave" question (169).
 
!@##@% Google new non-determinacy
I tried going into my browser's covert mode and searching google.com/&q=bowing+avraham+ben+haramba"m , and we're #1.
 
I did not know if "Jewish" was the correct context for that particular question which is why I didn't "improve" the question myself. So I flagged; That's all.
@IsaacMoses There does not need to be the word "Jewish" in every title. Those two particular questions are ambiguous if you are only seeing the title. Titles are important. If I saw a Tweet that said "Why don't we bow 'correctly' any more", it makes no sense. It's much clearer to say "Why don't Jews bow correctly anymore" or whatever makes the title clearer.
 
@RobertCartaino Fair enough.
@RobertCartaino But that's true for every j.se question about Jews that's not about specific subgroups of Jews, no?
 
Enjoy.
 
@RobertCartaino Not the word "Jewish," but some clue that the question is specifically Jewish should be in every title?
 
4:13 PM
@RobertCartaino "What height porch requires a railing?" should be "What height porch requires a railing in halacha?"?
 
... I don't really see why that's necessary for SEO, though I do see your point about tweets (though the latter is presently not a huge vector for bringing in readers)
 
Hm............ looking at the list of active questions, I see (surprisingly) the vast majority already do have something in the title that's Jewish-specific, if nothing more thana translitrated word.
 
@msh210 Not surprising to me. Most times I hear non-J.SE SE people commenting on J.SE, they're saying that the list of questions is filled with nonsense words (from their perspective).
 
Only the railing one I just mentioned, the food-wrapping one, "Is it permissible to erase the name of G-d from an E-reader?", and "Were slave-related commandments observed in America?", & "Buying New Electronics During the 9 Days" are not clearly Jewish (on the site's home page).
 
@msh210 "G-d", "commandments", and "9 Days" are all recognizably Jewish by nearly anyone who might be interested.
... so what you're saying is that if we have a policy that all titles have to have a JewClue in them, it would not have a great impact.
(which is a good thing)
 
4:20 PM
@IsaacMoses I guess only the two posts Robert flagged. (And any similar.)
 
@msh210 Right - which is a low percentage of our content, so it's not like we'd be editing people's titles frequently as a result.
 
@IsaacMoses Thanks. I suppose we should keep a look out for furutre (and past) such.
Hm, several:
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Q: What is the source for not walking with one's hands behind one's back

tom smithI've heard from people that it says in Kabbalah that one shouldn't walk with one's hands behind one's back. Does anyone know the source?

 
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Q: Should every title have something specifically Jewish in it?

Isaac MosesIn chat, Robert Cartaino indicated that a few questions looked ambiguous and not "findable." He clarified: Titles are important. If I saw a Tweet that said "Why don't we bow 'correctly' any more", it makes no sense. It's much clearer to say "Why don't Jews bow correctly anymore" or whatever m...

 
4:27 PM
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Q: Posthumous Mormon baptism

SamWould there be any halakhic problem with using LDS resources to do family history research, if you knew it would result in deceased Jews being named in posthumous baptism rituals? Or is this completely irrelevant? (Note that in practice this would not seem to be an issue, as they seem to have p...

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Q: Incoming Calls / Text Messages Responsibility

yydlIn many places (or at least in the USA), users are charged for incoming calls and text messages. If someone explicitly tells someone else to stop calling or texting their number, does that person then become responsible for such charges? Or can he/she claim that the phone company is the one char...

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Q: Why not burial caves?

JXGA three-part question about funerary practices. In ancient times, Jews used to bury people for a year or two, then, after the body decomposed, collect their bones and put them in a family cave. In antiquity, the bones were all placed together, but later on, the bones were collected into ossuari...

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Q: Would those who prohibit all gambling and lotteries prohibit a no-lose lottery?

ShalomIn a no-lose lottery, lots of people put money in a bank; all of them will get their money back whenever they want. Additionally, the bank takes the proceeds from investing their money and occasionally gives a random person a large bonus sum. My impression is that those who prohibit gambling in...

 
As with all retroactive title editing, I'd focus on questions whose content is particularly valuable or has gotten lots of views (following the lead of the CHAOS people, who are cleaning up titles for the top 1000 questions per site, by views).
 
@IsaacMoses I found those on the Unanswered page, which I chose just for that reason (value).
 
@msh210 Some of them need title-cleaning in other ways.
 
@IsaacMoses Yes.
 
judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/8653/… OK if I change to "Any problem with using LDS resources for Jewish genealogy research?"
 
4:34 PM
@IsaacMoses Read the second, parenthetical paragraph of the question.
No idea what to do with the burial-caves one.
 
@IsaacMoses Nice. "What happened to", like the original "Why not", implies both the first two parts of the question (literally what happened to it) and the third (why not reinstate it), which is something I couldn't think of how to do.
 
@msh210 Thanks. Glad I could be of assistance.
 
Two more:
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Q: Can someone swear off something that is already prohibited to them?

zaqCan someone swear off something that is already prohibited to them? For instance: "I swear I won't eat non-kosher."

 
Thanks @RobertCartaino for bringing this issue up
 
4:39 PM
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Q: finite number of words to speak

msh210Is there any truth to the common claim that each person has a predetermined number of words that he can speak in his life? Source, please. If so, then how does it work? In particular (with sources or arguments, please): To whom does this apply? Jews? others? Does each person have the same numb...

@IsaacMoses Right.
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Q: Why does evil exist?

Peter Of The CornI realize this is a very common question, but the problem of evil is an important one, and as far as I can tell, has not been asked here. In short, why does G-d allow evil to exist?

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Q: Why is chicken considered to be meat? And about eggs

MichaelWhy is chicken considered meat but fish is not? Also, why is an egg considered pareve? And if we can eat chicken eggs, why can't we eat caviar (fish eggs)?

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Q: Homosexuality is "worse than murder"?

TRiGA sign at a recent rally protesting New York's 2011 Marriage Equality Act reads Judaism considers male homosexuality a worse sin than murder I imagine that this is a minority opinion, but does it have any support at all in Jewish thought?

 
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Q: Should every title have something specifically Jewish in it?

Isaac MosesIn chat, Robert Cartaino indicated that a few questions looked ambiguous and not "findable." He clarified: Titles are important. If I saw a Tweet that said "Why don't we bow 'correctly' any more", it makes no sense. It's much clearer to say "Why don't Jews bow correctly anymore" or whatever m...

 
@msh210 May be OK to leave generic, since it could be interesting to anyone interested in that topic
 
^ Those are off the "hot" lists. So is this next one, but since its content really isn't Jewish-specific, I don't think it's a problem to leave the title as is. ;-)
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Q: What is the best way to break a fast?

Gershon GoldAfter a fast often people get sick when they eat. What type of food or drink is the best way to break the fast and avoid becoming ill?

 
@msh210 Just as soon not have people finding that one who aren't looking for it already.
@msh210 Also maybe OK to leave generic
 
@IsaacMoses I suppose so, yes.
 
4:43 PM
@msh210 Is the ;-) because of the controversy?
I guess we found an exception: questions that could be interesting/meaningful even outside the Jewish context.
 
@IsaacMoses Because of the controversy over whether that question even belongs on j.se.
@IsaacMoses Metastasize it.
 
@msh210 Right. 8^}
 
@msh210 I don't knwo what to do with this one, either.
 
@msh210 Done.
@msh210 I gave it a try. In some of these cases, I guess we just have to cop out to "in Halacha"/ "in Minhag"/ "in Aggada" / "in Judaism" / etc.
In this case, I like the change the apparent cop-out form made even outside of the current effort. "Prohibited" is a bit ambiguous, even in our context.
 
@IsaacMoses Thanks.
 
4:52 PM
... a side-effect of this effort is to increase the percentage of question titles that could intimidate a newbie/outsider, but oh, well; I guess that percentage was pretty high already.
 
@IsaacMoses A bit perhaps. I didn't find it problematic (until Robert came along ;-) ).
 
@msh210 Not so much as to have been problematic, but I think the title's stronger now.
... another side-effect is to make some titles longer and perhaps longer than ideal.
 
@msh210 Frankly, I like the original title much better, for that reason.
 
@msh210 Well, you can chop off "over..."
 
@IsaacMoses You added it. I figured you had a good reason. In fact, I still figure you had a good reason. What was it?
 
4:57 PM
and even go to "Finite number of words to speak (aggadic concept)" if you want to eliminate another ~10 chars
@msh210 To make it clear what the topic is, as opposed to, say, a limit on how much one may talk in shul (or something). But maybe that much specification is unnecessary in this title.
 
Okay, done.
 
OK, I gotta concentrate on other stuff for a while. If I don't see you before then, Shabbat Shalom
 
@IsaacMoses Same to you.
 
 
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Q: How to deal with multiple questions asked in one?

yydlThere are many questions currently in our system that have more than one distinct question stuffed into a single posting. Two quick examples: Cholent falafel Bracha Why is chicken “meat” (w.r.t. basar bechalav)? And about eggs Having these "multiple questions" is a serious detriment to our l...

 
 
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