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slm

1:13 AM

@Graeme - what part of the world do you come from?

Braiam

1:35 AM

spam unix.stackexchange.com/a/123224/41104

Braiam

3:00 AM

lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/04/msg00013.html

derobert

3:27 AM

@Braiam Hah, I'd have guessed that was an April fools joke, and yet...

anthony@Watt:~$ apt-cache policy apt
apt:
  Installed: 0.9.16.1
  Candidate: 0.9.16.1
  Version table:
     1.0 0
        130 http.us.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages
 *** 0.9.16.1 0
        500 http.us.debian.org/debian testing/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

Braiam

@derobert me too...

really

derobert

packages.debian.org/sid/apt ... yep, there is a 1.0

metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/a/apt/… seems to confirm there is now an apt binary

Don't have 1.0 installed on any of my systems.

Faheem Mitha

4:53 AM

@derobert if it isn't they picked an odd day for the announcement.

Looks like it is real, or it is an exceptionally elaborate stunt. So apt now has an apt binary. I wonder what that does. Anyone?

mikeserv

5:29 AM

@Braiam, is it a riddle? I've never been very good with riddles. I think that's why I like computers - they don't beat around the bush. With computers it's 1 or it's 0 or f*** you.

Braiam

5:50 AM

@mikeserv ?

Graeme

7:33 AM

@slm Sunny Scotland

strugee

8:22 AM

I fucking hate Apple

SO MUCH

also: too broad?

but just... jeez. the hardware is so screwed up. Broadcom. hybrid graphics. moon-man EFI implementation. you name it, they've somehow turned it into something truly horrifying

mikeserv

8:47 AM

Broadcom...graphics?

@Braiam The 3 comment flags thing... what does that mean?

Faheem Mitha

9:28 AM

@Graeme I imagine some of the time it must be Overcast Scotland however. Or Rainy Scotland.

Graeme

9:48 AM

@FaheemMitha you mean like today, yesterday and the day before that? Nope, never overcast in Scotland

mikeserv

@Graeme - never?

Faheem Mitha

10:06 AM

@mikeserv Never Ever Ever.

mikeserv

So... the gray North is a misnomer?

Faheem Mitha

@mikeserv It's Sunny Scotland where it counts. Inside @Graeme's mind.

mikeserv

bonny Scotland.

mikeserv

10:31 AM

When I first moved to San Diego after spending a few years in Fairbanks, AK I could swear everyone here was a little girl. Everyone was so cold all of the time - it never got below 50F on the coldest of winter nights! But... It gets a little rainy here now and I'm shivering.

I guess I'm a little girl.

Faheem Mitha

10:53 AM

@mikeserv You live in San Diego? How is it? Crowded?

mikeserv

No, not really. Sure - it's not the tundra, but it's sure as hell not New York. Or even LA - LA is crowded.

I used to live in Hawaii, too. It was crowded there.

On Oahu, anyway.

Faheem Mitha

@mikeserv Interesting. How was Hawaii? I've heard a lot about it. Apparently Aloha means lots of different things there. Hello, goodbye, I love you.

mikeserv

Yes. Those things.

Mene kaliki maka is the thing to say - on a bright Hawaiian Christmas day...

Faheem Mitha

Sounds like a word I should use more often.

mikeserv

They love karaoke there.

Faheem Mitha

10:59 AM

@mikeserv Interesting. Do you work or study in San Diego?

mikeserv

Every bar/restaurant/diner - karaoke.

And spam.

Spam at McDonalds.

Faheem Mitha

@mikeserv Hawaii, right?

mikeserv

Yes.

It was fun for me - I grew up in a church family - my grandfather was the preacher in a Baptist church and the whole family looked to him as our Abrahamic patriarch. Anyway, he played the piano and sang. Every Sunday was worth at least a couple hours of the hymnal. So karaoke was natural for me. I loved it.

Faheem Mitha

@mikeserv Oh, so you are actually from Hawaii? Aloha!

mikeserv

No, I'm from St. Louis, MO. And I love you, too.

Faheem Mitha

11:07 AM

@mikeserv :-)

Well, you certainly get around.

That's St. Louis as in:

Meet Me in St. Louis

Meet Me in St. Louis is a 1944 musical film from Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer which tells the story of an American family living in St. Louis at the time of the Louisiana Purchase Exposition World's Fair in 1904. It stars Judy Garland, Margaret O'Brien, Mary Astor, Lucille Bremer, Tom Drake, Leon Ames, Marjorie Main, June Lockhart, and Joan Carroll. The movie was adapted by Irving Brecher and Fred F. Finklehoffe from a series of short stories by Sally Benson, originally published in The New Yorker magazine under the title "5135 Kensington", and later in novel form as Meet Me in St. Louis. The fi...

Right?

@mikeserv you should answer the "getting to know you question". it is much neglected.

mikeserv

But I never could find the incognito royalty thread. I looked...

Faheem Mitha

@mikeserv Damn. You could answer the question anyway. i give you a special dispensation, Your Highness.

mikeserv

I'll need to check with my advisors...

Faheem Mitha

@mikeserv You do that. You can be like Prince Harry mixing with the commoners.

mikeserv

He doesn't mix - he floats.

Faheem Mitha

11:28 AM

@mikeserv You probably have a different Prince Harry in mind. I was thinking of this guy.

mikeserv

The drunk one, right?

That says Henry.

Faheem Mitha

@mikeserv I think he went by Harry earlier. or Hal.

mikeserv

9000?

Oh. Only 5. He's got a ways to go.

Faheem Mitha

@mikeserv Huh?

mikeserv

Meh. Kubrick reference. Thanks. I did miss the 'k'.

Faheem Mitha

11:41 AM

@mikeserv Ah, 2001. And it's Kubrick.

mikeserv

Or Clarke, I guess, depending on whom you prefer to attribute.

Faheem Mitha

@mikeserv so is San Diego super expensive? I've heard California is.

mikeserv

Yes.

But, then so were Hawaii and Alaska. Of course at that time the US Army was footing the bill, and now it's just the VA picking up the tab so it hurts a little more.

slm

12:09 PM

Not sure what city Graeme lives in in Scotland but looks like ~75% cloud cover on avg. per year

In Rochester, New York USA the data shows this:

Rochester, New York 200 55

currentresults.com/Weather-Extremes/US/cloudiest-cities.php

But my wife would disagree, almost everyday has been cloudy this year and when I told her 55% she said no way. We have a lot of cloudy days living off of the great lakes.

@Graeme - what part of scotland. That's one of my places I want to visit before I die. Scotland, Ireland, Hawaii, Australia, & South Africa.

Faheem Mitha

@mikeserv Oh, you were in the Army? But not now?

mikeserv

True.

mikeserv

12:46 PM

@slm - that's hilarious.

@FaheemMitha - I am no longer a soldier. Now I wake up when I like and I NEVER shave.

Faheem Mitha

@mikeserv How did you like being a soldier?

mikeserv

I liked it very well! But I like being a civilian, too. Overall, I'd say, it's pretty good to be alive.

Faheem Mitha

@mikeserv Ok.

mikeserv

My sentiments exactly!

Braiam

1:06 PM

@slm because stats takes into account nights?

Braiam

1:52 PM

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Q: Unable to open Windows Disk partitions in solaris 11

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MolbOrg

2:51 PM

is my opinion wrong because of lack of perception or that Q is somehow wrong unix.stackexchange.com/questions/123144/…

terdon

@MolbOrg You haven't understood the question. Perhaps it is unclear.

I am asking about the portability of those tools. I'd like to know which is the most likely to be found on all *nix. This has nothing to do with init whatsoever.

As far as I know, there is no *nix without sed for example. Both sed and awk are POSIX and I believe that any POSIX-compliant system will have them.

Even for non-POSIX systems, since busybox provides both sed and awk, again I would expect the to be present. More so than sh, although some shell will presumably always be present at /bin/sh

@MolbOrg have you ever seen a *nix system that doesn't have sed or awk?

MolbOrg

3:22 PM

@terdon mm if i see word 'portability' I begin to think about compiling code for different systems and different cpu arch, and portable or not ==(for me)== it is hard or not to make all work in new enviroment )

i cant say that i saw many devices with linux on board - but my Asus router (i checked it now) - do not have awk
it's not compiled in busybox

pretty same situation was with dlink routers and conel routers

linux == freedom or choose - I have some FPGA board, i will make my own bundle to run on it
that will be linux, but capability's of them will be result of my choose
actually atm I'm ready just make such system - without any of metion by you tools )) just to prove existence)
Probably what generally missing - is your Goal or Task - which may drastically change sense of your Q
@terdon It would be nice if u will add that information, to make Q better. which will give possibly to me - remove my objections and illustrations, I lost all my rep on that objections ))

terdon

3:53 PM

@MolbOrg Sorry, I had internet problems. Portability in this context is about writing scripts that can run on as many environments as possible, that is the classic UNix sense of thew word, I'm not talking about compiling. So, your router doesn't have awk, cool, does it have sed? Does it use busybox? Can you simply call busybox as awk and have it work?

@MolbOrg There is no goal or task, this kind of thing is a classic *nix question, I'm wondering which of those tools are most likely to be present on a random *nix machine. So far, it looks like the order is sed > awk > sh > perl

MolbOrg

4:05 PM

@terdon router on which i can test-look atm - have busybox, I think it have 1/3 commands comparing to full busybox set
one thing that scratches me is u said 'embedded' but thats a bit more then routers, phones, media players
I would mention in Q explicitly - setups that have ability to interact with users (sounds some how odd - but i hope it have sense) - in that sense i would set sh (or equivalent == busybox as example) in first place - also specially if u talking about scripts writing - because if no sh then no deal

but ok i probably got u point - seeking wunderwaffe, even if i doubt about such conclusions like 'classical'

terdon

@MolbOrg No. First of all, whether /bin/sh is present is one of my questions. I don't know the target system, that's part of the issue. The question is which is the most portable of the tools listed. Now, you're saying that your router's busybox doesn't have awk. OK, does it have sed?

@MolbOrg Sorry, I didn't understand that. What "classical"? Wunderwaffe means what, wonder tool or similar?

MolbOrg

Wunderwaffe

Wunderwaffe () is German for "wonder-weapon" and was a term assigned during World War II by the Third Reich propaganda ministry to a few revolutionary "superweapons". Most of these weapons however remained more or less feasible prototypes, or reached the combat theatre too late, and in too insignificant numbers (if at all) to have a military effect. A derisive abbreviation of the term emerged: Wuwa, pronounced "voo-vah". The V-weapons, which were developed earlier and saw considerable deployment (especially against London and Antwerp), trace back to the same pool of highly inventive arma...

terdon

Anyway, this is a classic problem when writing scripts. If I need my script to manipulate text, should I try and use sed or awk or what? That is my main question.

@MolbOrg OK, thanks

But not a wonder weapon, just a simple tool, the most portable one.

MolbOrg

that is bb set from my router : ash, basename, brctl, cat, chmod, chpasswd, cp, date, echo, expr, fdisk, free, grep, halt, hostname, ifconfig, insmod, kill, killall, klogd, ln,
logger, login, logread, ls, lsmod, mdev, mkdir, mknod, mkswap, mount, mv, ping, poweroff, ps, pwd, reboot, rm, rmmod, route, sed, sh, sleep, swapoff, swapon,
syslogd, telnetd, test, touch, traceroute, umount, vconfig, vi, wc

terdon

@MolbOrg Cool, so 1) no sh (it is ash instead) and 2) it has sed. If you edit your answer to explain that, I'd be happy to retract my downvote.

Hmm, no, it does have sh, I am guessing that /bin/sh is actually a link for /bin/ash is that right?

MolbOrg

4:11 PM

if some /bin/sh not presenting in the system - then u failed with the scripts at all - or u can change system

if u doubt about exesting of some tools on your target system and wish have working tools maid by you for that system - just use C and link everything you need statically

terdon

@MolbOrg Not necessarily, it depends on whether your init is looking in /bin/sh. That's one of my questions, are there any systems where there isn't a bourne-compatible shell at /bin/sh?

@MolbOrg Yes,. of course, the issue is when you don't know the target system and need to write your script in as general a way as possible.

MolbOrg

actually if u install your script - then mostly, u can add some missing parts
i did some stuff for conel router - and added lot of things because i needed them for work
but adding perl on conel - would be overkill
@terdon so if u do not have very special circumstances, so I woud suggest change concept from finding something that pass for all, to in case we need that we will add it (just keeping in mind just about of capabilitys - for to avoid the necessity to install everything)

*but perl for conel is possible - just problem of permanent storage

@terdon but ok i got your point, i had my discussion which i wished - i'm satisfied))
atm i wish my 'under pressure' badge

terdon

4:27 PM

@MolbOrg :) And as I said, what I am looking for is the most universal tool, so I need something that will pass for all, or at least most. Looks like sed is the best so far.

MolbOrg

yes yes) I understood, wunderwaffe switz knife ))

@missed u question - it have /bin/sh and /bin/ash - both are symlinks to busybox

terdon

OK, thought so.

MolbOrg

@terdon did u looked something from tiny core, poppy linux and all that minilinuxes ?

there not much of them at all - in some device u would expect something in that volume

terdon

Those should all have perl,sed,awk and sh, they're Linux.

MolbOrg

tiny core - with i work atm - its modular and core have no perl, but sure all busybox stuff is ready

so i would search for some existing busybox and etc list

because i do not belive that some company will make everything from scratch ))

terdon

4:43 PM

@MolbOrg Really? No perl? Seriously? Huh.

MolbOrg

building own distributive - pretty big task - and some hardware company (not big) will not mess with that software building, they will ready solutions (but that all is my guessing and some tiny exp with conel company - good devices, bad support)

@terdon for tiny core it's not a problem - they have plenty modules, beside core stuff, so if u need something u just installs, perl too
core they have is bootable system, in 9MB pack

terdon

@MolbOrg I would have thought they'd be perl dependencies even for the initial boot. Huh.

MolbOrg

tinycorelinux.net/downloads.html

no, there no such dependencies
actually if u boot system like(in grub config or somewhere): kernel init=/bin/bash ...
then starts just bash as init process

Tim

5:02 PM

@FaheemMitha: Thanks. SHall we discuss here?

Faheem Mitha

@Tim sure.

Actually, it is pretty simple. Just download the source files from the PPA first. Do you know how to do that? Then do a manual unpack with dpkg-source -x ....dsc.

Are there multiple sources you are trying to build?

okular and poppler too?

@Graeme hi

Graeme

@Tim just been having a look at the build-deps

Tim

hi @Graeme

Graeme

sudo apt-get kde-sc-dev-latest cmake debhelper pkg-kde-tools kdelibs5-dev pkg-config libkactivities-dev libdjvulibre-dev libepub-dev libpoppler-qt4-dev libqca2-dev libqimageblitz-dev libspectre-dev libtiff4-dev libx11-dev libchm-dev libjpeg-dev libfreetype6-dev zlib1g-dev plasma-widgets-active

Faheem Mitha

@Graeme ?

Tim

5:05 PM

@FaheemMitha, I am looking at launchpad.net/~kalakris/+archive/okular/+packages. which are the source files shall I download?

Faheem Mitha

@Graeme ah, the build deps

Graeme

Will save adding to deb-src to get them with apt-get build-deps

Faheem Mitha

@Tim You need the orig.tar.gz or equiv, the debian diff, and the dsc file.

Are you rebuilding poppler too?

Graeme

Don't think he needs it

Faheem Mitha

So

okular_4.11.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.04~ppa2.debian.tar.gz (11.4 KiB)

okular_4.11.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.04~ppa2.dsc (2.0 KiB)

okular_4.11.2.orig.tar.xz (1.5 MiB)

@Tim you want the links? they are in that list

Tim

5:07 PM

THanks, I am downloading them

Graeme

Also you will need to do sudo apt-get dpkg-dev

Or add dpkg-dev to the long command above

Tim

what is the complete command for "dpkg-source -x ....dsc"?

Faheem Mitha

@Tim right. that should just take a second

MolbOrg

@terdon started only /bin/sh as init - it's easy to du - do u wish instruction to your Q ? ))

*to do

Faheem Mitha

then go into the unpacked directory, and do debuild -uc -us.

terdon

5:11 PM

@MolbOrg No, thanks. I am not trying to do this, I am trying to find out which is the most portable.

Faheem Mitha

which will fail without the build deps, but will also tell you the missing build deps

Hauke Laging

Now the three(?) Germans on page one of the altogether-reputation list (unix.stackexchange.com/users?tab=Reputation&filter=all) are a continuous block. It's time Germany accepts its IT responsibility and gets beyond position 24 on U&L... ;-)

Faheem Mitha

@terdon well, i finally sent you that email about my paper introduction.

Tim

what is the complete command for "dpkg-source -x ....dsc"?

terdon

@FaheemMitha Cool, I'll get back to you as soon as I can.

Faheem Mitha

5:12 PM

@Tim Just that: dpkg-source -x okular_4.11.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.04~ppa2.dsc

Graeme

dpkg-source -x okular_4.11.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.04~ppa2.dsc

Faheem Mitha

@terdon Thanks, I really appreciate it. Feel free to ask for clarifications. And if you think I am talking nonsense, don't hesitate to say so...

Graeme

@Tim Then the long command for the build dependencies

MolbOrg

@terdon yes thats not fir u Q, u got better ide i will do my Q ) mm interesting will it fit unix.se or not hm

Tim

@FaheemMitha:

$ debuild -uc -us
dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -D -us -uc
dpkg-buildpackage: export CFLAGS from dpkg-buildflags (origin: vendor): -g -O2 -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -Wformat -Wformat-security
dpkg-buildpackage: export CPPFLAGS from dpkg-buildflags (origin: vendor): -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2
dpkg-buildpackage: export CXXFLAGS from dpkg-buildflags (origin: vendor): -g -O2 -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -Wformat -Wformat-security
dpkg-buildpackage: export FFLAGS from dpkg-buildflags (origin: vendor): -g -O2

there is some errors

Faheem Mitha

5:18 PM

@Tim dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: kde-sc-dev-latest (>= 4:4.10) pkg-kde-tools (>= 0.14) kdelibs5-dev (>= 4:4.11.2) libkactivities-dev (>= 4:4.11.2) libdjvulibre-dev libepub-dev libqca2-dev libspectre-dev libtiff4-dev libchm-dev libfreetype6-dev plasma-widgets-active

So, install those, assuming the versions are available.

Graeme

@FaheemMitha I already posted the command line for the build-deps, apt won't install anything that it doesn't need

Faheem Mitha

@Graeme ok

@Graeme it's good for Tim to see how the thing works, rather than telling him what to do. The next time maybe there won't be someone around to ask.

Tim

what is the command to check the version of a package before installing it?

Graeme

@Tim apt-get will show the package versions and prompt Y/n before installing, you can see then there.

Faheem Mitha

@Tim apt-cache policy pkgname shows available versions

there are other ways, but that's what i generally use. the output is reasonably compact

Tim

5:23 PM

Thanks! How can I check the version of an installed package, for exampel pkg-kde-tools?

Faheem Mitha

@Tim if the PPA is for your Ubuntu version, then the package versions should match.

@Tim Same way.

apt-cache policy shows available versions and the installed version if any.

Graeme

You shouldn't need to worry about the particular versions - the point of rebuilding the package is to make it work with whatever versions of packages you already have.

Faheem Mitha

Anybody else annoyed about the How I Met Your Mother finale? I'm not even a fan, and I'm annoyed.

@Graeme If the versions are specified, it may matter.

Tim

My kdelibs5-dev is 4:4.8.5-0ubuntu0.2, which apt-cache policy says is the latest available one. but I need 4:4.11.2

generally, how can I find a repository with the newer version?

Faheem Mitha

@Tim huh. ok, change the version in the control file

@Tim it may still work. it probably will. okular is unlikely to depend on the kde libs version.

however, isn't this PPA supposed to correspond to your version?

@Tim ok, remind me what the okular version on your system is, and what version you want?

Tim

5:28 PM

I already uninstalled the default Okular.

Graeme

@FaheemMitha that's exactly why I thought the versions wouldn't matter

Faheem Mitha

@Graeme well, sometimes it does. in that particular case it shouldn't.

Graeme

@FaheemMitha if the ppa okular was built against a different version, it would explain the initial problem

Faheem Mitha

@Tim just use common sense when dealing with dependency versions. if it looks like the exact version shouldn't mater, it probably doesn't.

@Graeme True

afk for a bit

Graeme

Is there another ppa for the kde-libs?

Tim

5:30 PM

So ignore it?

Graeme

afk?

Tim

he said afk, away from keyboard

Graeme

I see

Tim

@Graeme: This time is better but still:

$ debuild -uc -us
dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -D -us -uc
dpkg-buildpackage: export CFLAGS from dpkg-buildflags (origin: vendor): -g -O2 -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -Wformat -Wformat-security
dpkg-buildpackage: export CPPFLAGS from dpkg-buildflags (origin: vendor): -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2
dpkg-buildpackage: export CXXFLAGS from dpkg-buildflags (origin: vendor): -g -O2 -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -Wformat -Wformat-security
dpkg-buildpackage: export FFLAGS from dpkg-buildflags (origin: vendor): -g -O2

what shall I do next?

Graeme

@Tim just looking at this - launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/…

Faheem Mitha

5:36 PM

@Tim on second thoughts, okular is described as "This package is part of the KDE graphics module." so it is possible that it does have some dependency on the version. hard to say without trying.

@Tim dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: kde-sc-dev-latest (>= 4:4.10) kdelibs5-dev (>= 4:4.11.2) libkactivities-dev (>= 4:4.11.2)

can you install those missing ones?

like I said, if the version numbers are not exactly, correct, edit debian/control. probably the simplest thing to do it remove the versioning. i suggest putting debian under version control before you fiddle with it. that's what i usually do

Tim

Can I edit debian/control? I am using Ubuntu, not debian.

Faheem Mitha

@Tim sure you can. but again, recommend putting it under version control

@Tim ubuntu is basically just debian

Tim

Those three already installed, but with lower version which are also the newest aviable

Faheem Mitha

@Tim ok, then you can just edit debian/control

if it errors out, you'll know the versions are too low. this should ideally happen during the configure phase.

it seems unlikely even a kde program would be super-sensitive to the library version number. i imagine at least the major version would need to be the same, though

My kdelibs5-dev is 4:4.8.4-4 too

Graeme

I' am confused about how the okular ppa can be for precise by not have build-deps that are in precise

It surely must have been built against another ppa

Faheem Mitha

5:42 PM

@Tim you are running precise? and the PPA is for precise?

Graeme

@FaheemMitha no, not me. @Tim is though

Faheem Mitha

@Graeme yes, sorry

yes, the PPA says precise.

so the build-deps should correspond to the precise versions. if it doesn't that does seem odd

@Tim you could also just try to backport the okular version from a later version of Ubuntu. or even Debian possibly. In theory a PPA should work best because it was already designed for your version.

Graeme

@FaheemMitha @Tim, you could try the okular in the Kubuntu backports ppa

It is more 'official' than the one you are trying

launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/…

Faheem Mitha

@Graeme Sure. Let him see what happens with this one first, though.

@Tim so what is the version of okular available for your system?

Graeme

@FaheemMitha maybe better to use the other one now if there will be similar issues next time he wants to upgrade.

Faheem Mitha

5:51 PM

@Graeme yes, possibly

@Tim you still there?

Tim

@Fahee: yes, my os is frozen when running compilation

Faheem Mitha

@Tim oh

Tim

and still running

Faheem Mitha

@Tim ok. shouldn't take too long. what kind of memory/cpu does your system have?

Tim

thinkpad t400 8GM memory two core, but the cpu temp is too high, I have to downscale the cpu freq

Faheem Mitha

5:55 PM

@Tim oh, a laptop? you don't have a desktop/server you could run this on?

Tim

I don't. so is this not supposed on a laptop?

my laptop is too cheap for that?

8GB RAM

Faheem Mitha

@Tim no. it was just a suggestion.

@Tim no offense intended

@Tim that should be fine

Graeme

Some builds can take a while

Okular shouldn't be too bad though

Faheem Mitha

@Graeme having a lot of cores can help. sometimes builds try to parallelize if they can

Tim

stil running. what parts cn takes so long

and take much space on ~ and take up much CPu

Graeme

6:08 PM

@Tim if you run Gentoo, it will do this with every package you install.

Tim

Oh

I just finish running debuild -uc -us. what next?

Faheem Mitha

@Tim did it finish successfully?

Tim

Looks like yes?

Graeme

If it doesn't say Error somewhere in the last few lines, then yes

Tim

what next then?

where did the executable go?

Graeme

6:15 PM

It will have created an okular_something.deb package

Install it with sudo dpkg -i whatever.deb

Tim

okular-dbg_4.11.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.04~ppa2_i386.deb
okular-extra-backends_4.11.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.04~ppa2_i386.deb
okular-dev_4.11.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.04~ppa2_i386.deb
okular_4.11.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.04~ppa2_i386.deb
libokularcore3_4.11.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.04~ppa2_i386.deb

looks like there are many .deb files. Is it okular_4.11.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.04~ppa2_i386.deb to instal?

Faheem Mitha

@Tim looks like you just need the libokularcore1 and okular one itself

Graeme

You also need the libokular, do them both at the same time

Braiam

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oh boy...

Graeme

dpkg -i okular_4.11.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.04~ppa2_i386.deb libokularcore3_4.11.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.04~ppa2_i386.deb

Faheem Mitha

6:24 PM

@Braiam fun

Graeme

@Tim working?

Faheem Mitha

@Graeme where in Scotland are you?

Graeme

@FaheemMitha Glasgow

Faheem Mitha

@Graeme Oh, how is it? Aside from being Sunny, of course.

I've watched Trainspotting. I hope that it is not like that.

They could make a tv show called "It's Always Sunny in Glasgow".

Tim

@Graeme yes. Thanks

@FaheemMitha thanks!

Faheem Mitha

6:34 PM

@Graeme shall i write a brief answer saying the poster rebuilt the PPA?

Tim

what can libokular do?

Faheem Mitha

@Tim just to be clear, you can now open a pdf file with okular?

Graeme

@FaheemMitha only some parts

Faheem Mitha

@Graeme ok

Tim

@FaheemMitha yes.

Faheem Mitha

6:36 PM

@Tim good

@Graeme so?

Graeme

@Tim just makes some of the okular functionality available for other applications to build against

Tim

WHat pdf applications do you two use?

I originally use evince, then Xournal, and now Okular

Graeme

@FaheemMitha the east side is pretty ropey in places, but then most cities have parts like that

Tim

for quite a while now, I have been mostly using djvu, becuase I can hack it more than pdf

Graeme

@Tim evince

Faheem Mitha

6:38 PM

@Graeme Hmm. So all the drug stuff is somewhat realistic?

@Tim evince.

Tim

Do you not annotate pdf?

Faheem Mitha

@Graeme @Tim ok, i'm writing an answer

Tim

@FaheemMitha thanks

Faheem Mitha

@Tim not often.

Tim

@FaheemMitha when you do, still in evince?

are you both using Ubuntu?

Faheem Mitha

6:39 PM

@Tim i don't think one can annotate in evince, but maybe in more recent versions. at any rate, i have not tried.

Graeme

@FaheemMitha Trainspotting was set in Edinburgh, they has a really bad heroin problem at the time. not so bad now

Faheem Mitha

@Tim debian wheezy.

@Graeme oh, sorry. thought it was glasgow. maybe one of the characters was from there

Graeme

@Tim I don't

@FaheemMitha a lot of it was filmed in Glasgow

Tim

I recently discover annotation is better than not to annotate

Graeme

@FaheemMitha Have you seen Neds?

Faheem Mitha

6:41 PM

@Graeme yes, that was probably where i got Glasgow from.

@Graeme no idea what that is. a film?

Graeme

Neds (film)

Neds (2010) is a feature film directed by Peter Mullan, with dialogue in both English and the Glaswegian dialect of the Scots language. The film tells the story of John McGill (Conor McCarron), a teenager growing up in 1970s Glasgow, Scotland. The story line follows John's involvement with his city's ned culture and the consequences of it on his teenage years. Neds won Best Film at the San Sebastian Film Festival in January 2011. Plot Neds is about a young boy growing up in 1970s Glasgow called John McGill, a bright pupil who excels in all subjects at school. He comes from a working-c...

Tim

@FaheemMitha you can annotate in evince, press F9, and then click "Thumnail"

Faheem Mitha

@Tim oh, ok.

@Graeme i remember a scottish film called gregory's girl

@Graeme Good film?

@Graeme i don't watch a lot of films. British films can often be good, though. Generally their standard is far higher than US films.

Graeme

@FaheemMitha if you don't mind violence, its ok

Faheem Mitha

@Graeme not terribly keen on violence.

@Tim Ok. Do you use evince?

@Graeme Is more detail necessary?

1

A: problem when Installing Okular from ppa under Ubuntu

The poster successufully rebuilt the Okular PPA sources on his system. Some of versions of the build dependencies were not quite correct for his system, so he had to adjust them. It is unclear why this was necessary since the posters system is Precise and so is the PPA. The transcript of the cha...

Tim

6:45 PM

@FaheemMitha yes, just for viewing pdf.

Graeme

@FaheemMitha some are actually, especially for being lower budget than most Hollywood movies. Guy Ritchie films are verry good

Faheem Mitha

@Tim you could edit the answer to specify the build dependencies which were not quite right, if you think anyone will care.

@Graeme i'm not a crime/murder/mayhem kind of viewer, at all. so I don't think I've never watched a Ritchie film.

@Graeme are you an academic, programmer, sysadmin or other?

Tim

@FaheemMitha mine is 12.04, and already outdated. the new 14.04 is coming this month, I doubt anyone will be interested in my 12.04 case

Graeme

@FaheemMitha It is a fairly realistic view on the gang culture in Glasgow during the 70s (although not a great deal has changed), obviously there is quite a lot of violence involved

Faheem Mitha

@Tim yes, probably true.

@Graeme what is? I was asking about the answer. :-)

Oh, the ned film.

Tim

6:48 PM

thanks to you two. I will be afk

Faheem Mitha

@Tim ok. take care.

Graeme

@FaheemMitha ah, ok. I would mention that the Kunbuntu backports ppa is a good place to look for KDE software before anywhere else.

Faheem Mitha

@Graeme launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/… ?

Graeme

@FaheemMitha Yes that one, using the Okular there would probably have avoided the problem

Faheem Mitha

@Graeme ok

@Graeme Done. Well, the poster got an experience building from Debian sources, fwiw.

Is my addition ok?

Graeme

6:57 PM

@FaheemMitha yeah, fine. I am still curious how the newer kdelibs dep came to be there already

Is there not an automatic build process for these packages?

Faheem Mitha

@Graeme Possibly the packager messed up. One could ask him, but who cares, really?

@Graeme Not sure what you mean.

Graeme

@FaheemMitha I thought you put the necessary files up on the ppa and the .deb were built for you.

Faheem Mitha

@Graeme No, you need to adjust the build dependencies. Sometimes you need to change other things too. Sometimes debhelper will infer versions from you, sometimes you need to add restrictions manually. In general it is not an automatic process.

Graeme

@FaheemMitha help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading

Faheem Mitha

@Graeme sure, but that is after you've already checked it works for you.

@Graeme oh, you mean the PPA should have been rebuilt on precise?

and if so, these errors would have been found?

Graeme

7:12 PM

@FaheemMitha I mean I thought you upload the original and debian archives along with the .dsc to launchpad and it should then build the package against the precise archives. Doing that would surely throw an error

Faheem Mitha

@Graeme yes, i agree. seems strange that this didn't happen.

@Graeme Yes, it does look like that should automatically happen.

Graeme

> If your package can be used on different versions of Ubuntu without being recompiled you can copy the existing binaries from the older series to the new series; see Copying packages.

@FaheemMitha other than that it doesn't look like you can actually upload any binaries.

Faheem Mitha

@Graeme Yes, I see. Maybe he did the copying thing then?

Graeme

@FaheemMitha could be, who knows. I think the only way to know all the ways to screw it up are if you have done it yourself at some point

Faheem Mitha

@Graeme maybe. i don't use ubuntu, so wouldn't know.

Graeme

7:26 PM

@FaheemMitha me neither and when I did I wasn't really a fan of ppas

Faheem Mitha

@Graeme you use Debian, right? are you running wheezy?

Graeme

@FaheemMitha Jessie

Faheem Mitha

@Graeme ok. wheezy here.

These days stable works pretty well for me. I can mostly backport things I need more recent versions of.

Graeme

@FaheemMitha I always seem to find myself needing a newer version of something. Being able to install from unstable/experimental is the way forward for me, so much less hassle than with Ubuntu ppas anyway.

Faheem Mitha

7:42 PM

@Graeme i guess that should work most of the time. since testing and unstable are usually pretty close together.

Braiam

anyone see luck for this poor soul here? askubuntu.com/q/443753/169736

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam sounds like a typical confused Ubuntu user. I suggest - avoid getting sucked in.

Braiam

> which requires a total reinstall of my Debian OS.

Graeme

@FaheemMitha yes, it works fine to mix them as long as you set it up properly

What has happened when the Community user edits an answer?

2

A: What is the symbol *.* called?

It's glob in bash, Below I have quoted from bash manual: bash - GNU Bourne-Again SHell * Matches any string, including the null string. When the globstar shell option is enabled, and * is used in a pathname expansion context, two adjacent *s used as a sin...

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam fine, confused Debian user. maybe not quite so typical.

@Graeme i think someone who hasn't bothered to register. maybe even a random person surfing the net.

An anonymous edit, basically. I did one once, it showed Community as the editor

ekaj

10:59 PM

Finally got around to deleting and creating a new instance for this question, and it seemed to fix my problem.. so I'm not sure what it is. Is it worth to keep this question around with that as an answer for others? It's not a good answer, but it works: unix.stackexchange.com/questions/121501/…

Faheem Mitha

11:17 PM

@ekaj I don't see an answer. You can answer your own question, then accept it. That is good practice.

If the problem just went away by itself, then it should be closed. Which of these categories does it fall into?

ekaj

I'm aware, I haven't answered it yet

Faheem Mitha

@ekaj i think you can also close your own question, maybe. Not sure.

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