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12:10 AM
yes "yes&" | sh
very tough to kill
 
12:31 AM
So why did the ROT47 question get brought back instead of being sandboxed first (as the poster voluntarily chose to do)?
It definitely had spec problems, and as a result we get "This string is 'interpreted' so it counts as a used byte" answers
 
the best Bash ever: yes "yes 'yes&'&" | sh
bye bye CPU
 
@JonathanVanMatre Because mniip requested it.
 
Heh. People talking about me! :)
 
Hi, @durron597!
 
While I've been around on SO for awhile obviously I'm clearly new to codegolf
trying to do the best I can without knowing site best practices
 
12:45 AM
Changing the rules is not approved of.
 
Clearly the rules are flawed; I entirely agree with @JonathanVanMatre
 
Just post your question on the sandbox and people will work the problems out.
I know you switched it there.
 
Yeah; then mniip essentially said the question was fine as is, and I got impatient.
What are the best practices for sandbox migration?
 
I just copy-paste the answer.
Then, you delete the body of the problem on the sandbox and mark it posted.
With a link to the question.
I need to go eat now. Bye.
 
Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant: How long should one wait until you know that the kinks are worked out
okay, thanks for your help
 
12:52 AM
I would have waited longer, but don't sweat it too much. Just do better on the next one.
 
1:17 AM
@durron597 The general rule, I've seen, is to leave problems in the sandbox until they get three upvotes or until a few people say they are good.
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1:29 AM
bot is currently up and running! I have to go eat now; bye all
 
2:08 AM
Another fun challenge was closed:
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Q: Shortest program to print ":)" until the end of time

TheDoctorTask: Make a program that prints a smiley (:)) indefinitely. Rules: Your program must print :) as fast as possible until interrupted This is code-golf, so the shortest answer wins.

sigh
 
@Victor not "fun" so much as "trivial and duplicate"...
 
@Doorknob For me it was fun. Posted 2 answers and did not looked the previous question.
One of the languages I used did not existed at the time the old question was posted, so it would be invalid there.
 
the GW-BASIC answer is very trivial, and the BFO answer is not really interesting either.
most of the answers are trivial and uninteresting
 
@Doorknob Well, that is a lot subjective opinion.
But ok, will not try to reopen it.
 
and that's why closing is a subjective process. vote to reopen if you would like.
 
2:13 AM
@Doorknob And get another close-reopen war?
 
"another"?
 
Yes, there are some other questions that were closed, reopened and closed again.
 
link or it didn't happen
 
@Victor oh come on that's hardly a "war." It was only closed twice and reopened once.
that's just the community at work.
 
2:20 AM
Well, it is annoying. I worked to reopen that question (and I was not the OP), just to see it being quickly closed after we reopened it. Got angry with this.
 
perhaps that means it never should have been reopened.
see, that's community consensus
 
Well, I don't see any consensus here. What I see is dispute.
 
I didn't vote, but I thought it was one.
 
so you're suggesting that when there's a dispute, you just leave? no, the whole point of there being a reopen system is so that there is a way for other users to reconsider a previous decision.
 
You talking to me, @Doorknob?
 
2:23 AM
that's the whole reason the reopen system exists in the first place, and by ignoring questions that you think might create dispute, you're undermining the whole point of the system.
@hosch250 no, to @Victor
 
OK.
 
(and I still stand by my original point: less that 2 complete cycles is not a dispute at all)
 
Yes, but there is a lot of comments arguing why that is not a duplicate. The close voters just ignored them entirely in the second close round.
 
@Victor no, they didn't, they considered them and then decided that they were invalid. (or at least that's what I did)
 
Oh, now I am seeing, you were one of the second round close voters. :)
Well, the only one to talk something in the second close round was Peter Taylor with this comment: "That's a really rubbish (not to mention ambiguous) definition of random."
 
And my experience shows that closing things is easy and quickly, reopening is hard and time-consuming. And even if it manages to be reopened, the question already lost momentum.
 
well, I just didn't leave a comment because I didn't think one was necessary.
there is a reopen queue, though. if the question really should be reopened, it will be.
note how the question was quickly reclosed after being reopened. that means it probably should have stayed closed in the first place....
 
Well, at least the closers should explain why it still needs to be closed. No one did.
So please, tell me what you think about.
 
I was thinking: "Hmm, the answers from the dup could be posted without modification to here. Therefore, I will vote to close it."
 
The question was edited exactly to argue against this.
 
2:32 AM
yet, the answers from the dup could still be posted without modification to the q.
 
@Doorknob The question does not requires answers passing in any die-hard test, and was a code-golf. So if you post an answer from the old question in the new, it would be a really bad golf in the new question.
 
"different winning criterion" is not a valid reason to not be a dup, as explained in a meta post that I'm too lazy to find right now.
 
Are you talking about this?
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Q: My question (calculate all the squares up to x using only addition and subtraction) has being closed as a duplicate

toothbrushI'm quite new to Programming Puzzles & Code Golf, and my question Calculate all the squares up to x using only addition and subtraction has been closed as a duplicate, who say it's a duplicate of Most optimized algorithm for incrementing squares. I don't think that my question is a duplicate, as...

If it is this question, it is not telling what you are saying.
 
no, it was another post.
I'm kind of juggling 5 tasks at once right now; sorry for late replies :P
 
So I am.
 
2:46 AM
I just did my first ternary operator in C++.
Condition?cout<<something;:cout<<somethingElse;
Looks terrible though :(
 
Anyone here do SPIN?
 
Not me.
 
@hosch250 cout<<(Condition?something:somethingElse);
 
OK, that looks a little better.
My way worked though.
 
It is odd that it worked, for me that ";" before ":" would cause a compilation error.
 
2:50 AM
Oh, that was a typo.
Condition?cout<<something:cout<<somethingElse;
 
This would compile.
@TheDoctor Join this conversation too.
@Doorknob It is an interesting phenomena. I already saw people posting placeholder answers when the question was being closed. I already saw people posting answers as comment after it was closed, but this is the first time that I see someone editing somebody else's answer to add his own because the question was closed.
And, @TheDoctor approved the addition to his own answer. If the answer was mine, I would approve it too.
 
rollback - edits should not add completely different content :/
sorry for not much comments on this I have tons of things going on at the same time right now
 
The original author of the answer approved it. Then who do I think I am to rollback it?
@Doorknob I don't think that you were reasonable here. If the author of the answer approved it, why had you rollback?
 
I am a member of the community. SE is run by the community. I will gladly rollback any invalid or incorrectly used edit, no matter who the approver may be.
 
@Doorknob Well if someone edited my answer in a way that I approved, it is my answer afterall, isn't it? And by the way there is a good reason that SE is designed in a way that if the author of a post approves an edit, it does not needs further approval.
 
3:06 AM
"it is my answer afterall" No, now it's licensed under Creative Commons. It is by no means your property anymore. And by the way there is a good reason that SO is designed in a way that allows rollbacks.
 
@Doorknob I am still the author though. Being licensed under Creative Commons don't means that I am not the author and that I can't decide if I approve modifications to my work or not that are published with my name.
 
You can approve modifications, but others can roll them back. For example, would it not be valid to rollback an edit to someones post that replaced it with "potato," which they approved (for any reason)?
 
@Doorknob By the way, if I approved a changed to my work that is in the Creative Commons License and authored by me and somebody rollbacked it without my consent, would not this be something like saying that I can't decide what I choose to accept in my work or not?
 
meaning that the rollback of the "potato" edit would be invalid?
 
@Doorknob. This is vandalism. If the author of the post accept that someone replaces all his work with "potato" that is his problem.
 
3:11 AM
so you're saying that if you saw that, you wouldn't roll it back?
 
Yes, I wouldn't rollback. If the author decided that his text gets better by being simply "potato", he is the author and should know how is the better form for his text.
 
so you would just leave that post, consisting of only a single unrelated word, without fixing it? there's a reason the privilege system exists.
 
By the way, I could argue that you are instead, censoring what the author approved as part of his work under the Creative Commons License.
 
@Victor Uh... do you want to read CC-BY-NA again?
As an author of a post on SE, you licence your content to the community.
 
@hicris123 Yes. But what if I approve someobody elses radical change to my work to the community? by the way this is what happens in wikipedia.
I am not saying that I exclusively own that and nobody else might change without my approval.
 
3:17 AM
Please read the editing help page again...
 
okay, I have to sleep now. I might continue this discussion later, but to put it bluntly this is getting sort of ridiculous. you seriously would ignore blatant vandalism? anyway, bye all
 
Alas, in wikipedia, people always do radical changes all the time. Here, they are starting to be incentived to be censored.
@Doorknob I would not consider that vandalism. But anyway, if the author approves a vandalism to his own work, so he is just agreeing with the vandalism, so downvote and flag.
 
@Victor Uh... so you're saying just because an OP is ignorant they should be downvoted + flagged? That's not a reason to...
 
@Victor "radical changes ... are starting to be incentived to be censored" Good! That's how it's supposed to be. Edits are not, not, and NOT meant for radical changes. Anyway, I'm leaving now.
 
@hicris123 If the author approves that his work is replaced by simply "potato", so downvote + flag. He agreed that would be the best form for his work, it is as the he did it himself.
@hicris123 But fortunately that was not the case in that answer.
 
3:43 AM
OK, I just have to do the groundwork for d and b in my challenge now.
I kept having bad allocation errors while debugging.
I also need to do the catching when the user enters a bad integer value (like "c").
See you later.
 
4:09 AM
Wow
@Victor 100% would reject, This edit is incorrect or an attempt to reply to or comment on the existing post.
 
@mniip Yeah, but what if the answerer accepted it. What if the answerer repost the suggested content?
 
Well, uh.
 
@mniip What I was saying is that if the original author accept, this is equivalent as if he did the edits himself.
 
We'd have to ask @TheDoctor
I'm off, bye!
 
@Doorknob @TheDoctor @hichris123 @mniip meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/224036/…
I tried to not bring trouble for me nor for any of the involveds. So I did not cited any names (beyond my one of course).
 
4:41 AM
Pfft, this is why I am starting to get tired of this community, we end getting in so much trouble for such so few things.
 
Yeah, but whoever replied, linked to the chat transcript, and to the edit history
 
I did not wanted to expose anyone. This simply backfired.
 
By the way, what is the criterion for posting the questions from sandbox?
It seems that all ambiguities have been resolved and it's got enough votes
On my question, that is.
 
There is no clear criterion. But as Quincunx said somewhere, if it gets +3 probably it is a sign that it is ready.
And by the way, answering to @Doorknob:
"so you're suggesting that when there's a dispute, you just leave?"
I am starting to change my mind to "yes always", I am starting to get too much trouble here for nothing. At least this is the reason that I don't post much information about myself in my profile.
By the way, I participated actively in the Computer Science community in its private beta and in the start of the public beta. After getting into a lot of useless disputes with other members for nothing i just said "screw up" and leaved.
But I am still not leaving code-golf. Still.
 
Good! We're better than those stuffy CS dorks.
 
4:53 AM
@luserdroog Thanks. :)
@mniip Glad to see that you posted the battleship question. :)
 
5:16 AM
Hmm, I don't really see the reason all my reputation changes and replies notifications should be duped in my profile
+10 in the notification bar is enough, why would I want another +10 in my proflie -> reputation
 
5:28 AM
@mniip I think that this is some accidental complexity. It used to be in the profile, separated by site. Then they glued it altogether in the notification bar without removing it from the profile.
Anyway it is not bad afterall.
 
5:43 AM
At least for me, the wording of the winning criterion sounds like a code-golf, despite the votes part
 
@mniip I think that the winning criteria appears to be clear, but in fact it isn't. It is ambiguous.
 
Also why are there random bolds all over the text?
 
"The answer with least bytes and most upvotes wins!"
If a valid answer has 3 bytes and -2 votes and another one with 650 bytes has 25 votes, who wins?
Possible this is because he does not speak engilsh natively, so it messed with that. (nor I do, this is the reason that my writings have a poor vocabulary and are full of grammar errors).
 
It says votes are considered only for tiebreakers.
 
So lets edit the question and save it before it gets closed.
It looks like a good question. It would be sad if it got closed because the OP mistranslated something that could be easily fixed with editing.
 
5:59 AM
"Now you will input a number and input it."
 
@mniip It looks like that you edited at the same time that I was editing.
 
I got the notification that there were 3 edits. I copied some stuff from them
 
Well looks like that the question is ok now. Don't agree with some parts, but I think it is ok now.
 
I'm off, bye! (2)
 
bye
 
 
7 hours later…
1:25 PM
woohoo, 3 consecutive repcaps!
 
@Victor ok, reading that
 
Argh the power keeps turning off -_- I'm using my phone now
 
2:10 PM
bot is perfected! :D
 
 
2 hours later…
4:27 PM
So, anyone have any ideas for the battleship puzzle?
My only solution so far would be a plain and long brute-force
 
@mniip I started to code it yesterday, but it become more complex than what I was thinking for it and gave up.
@miniip Clarification: Gave up not because it was complex, but because I figured out that it would be too much work for me at that time and my approach won't work.
 
Ideally one'd somehow pass the battlefield by value, then recursion is seemingly trivial
 
@mniip Yeah, i figured out this. Anyway, there is an interesting heuristics: Start with the largest ships.
 
that's kinda obvious
 
Yeah.
 
4:35 PM
For a second let's imagine coding this in haskell: a Monad to change the state of the field would be cool
 
 
2 hours later…
6:19 PM
5
Q: Golf T9 Spelling

DannyInspired by the Google Code Challenge: The Latin alphabet contains 26 characters and telephones only have ten digits on the keypad. We would like to make it easier to write a message to your friend using a sequence of keypresses to indicate the desired characters. The letters are mapped onto ...

 
6:34 PM
I am 2 points under Microbian now.
 
I should golf my regexes more
 
I don't know regexes yet.
Actually, I might.
I have parsed data character by character, if that is what they are.
Anyway, which regex do you mean?
 
Hmm, just 8 chars and I beat ruby
 
In what?
 
In that T9 challenge
 
6:48 PM
Oh. Mine is awful long (as usual).
I have the most upvotes though.
Which puts me 1 point below emory.
 
6 more to go
 
6 more what? Rep before rep cap?
 
No, chars before I beat ruby
 
Ohhh. You already hit rep cap today :)
 
I didn't :<
s/(.) (?!\1)/\1/g I really don't like this one, ideas?
 
6:55 PM
Jargon to me.
adgjmptw/ 02-9/; Does the 0 need to be there?
 
Yes
space replaced with 0 , _ replaced with space
Ha! 123 chars now
Aaand, at the cost of a little formatting, 120
@hosch250 Oh, I did hit the rep cap
Initially I thought you were speaking of vote cap, for some reason
So wait, no one upvotes anything because we all hit rep caps?
 
7:26 PM
I hit my vote cap.
I have only hit my rep cap once, and that was counting the Association bonus.
Ruby - 111. Rebel - 110. You still didn't win.
@mniip
 
I noticed. But at some point I had the shortest code
Besides, what? I still get rep
 
Yay! vox populi!
I wish i cold upvote your answer, @mniip i just reached my rep cap
that is, vote cap
 
The SuperColliding MegaDropdown tells me I earned 215 rep on PPCG today
Oh I see
 
rep from acceptance bypasses the cap
 
I still have like 65 rep gap
 
7:34 PM
Hello :)
 
Lo
 
i want to do the phone keypad one, but im kind busy
 
I think it is because you earned the 55 point bonus.
 
oh wait, I miscounted
But okay, does it really matter?
 
8:15 PM
I reached the bottom of page 16: area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/…
I used to be in the middle of page 18.
 
Page 6 here :P
 
8:28 PM
What do you think of an ASCII art challenge to render the Eiffel Tower in 3D?
 
 
1 hour later…
9:48 PM
woohoo, 3 day repcap streak :P
 
I ought to be working towards a silver badge for being out of votes for three days straight.
 
I earned 51 today. I passed up some people.
 
@hosch250 I'd be down for the Eiffel challenge. Somewhat obviously.
 
10:05 PM
the battle is intense
the red's Ilmari, the blue is David, and the green is me. :P
 
10:26 PM
@JonathanVanMatre Being down on it means no?
 
vzn
hi.. how did you do those graphs?
is that se rep?
 
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Q: Lazy battleship placement

mniipImagine the following scenario: you are playing battleships with a friend but decide to cheat. Rather than moving a ship after he shoots where your ship used to be, you decide not to place any ships at all. You tell him all his shots are misses, until it is impossible to place ships in such a way...

That one is hard :(
 
@vzn yes, a bit of JS fiddling and viewing source too :P
 
@TimWolla That one is mine :)
 
vzn
have seen the se graph of rep but its only for one user.
seems like you would have to scrape the data off that page or something.
nice hack.
 
10:33 PM
yeah, I grabbed the data from all the user pages and substituted them into the JS.
 
vzn
cool trick.
could be an interesting se feature.
 
vzn
=) thx
 
I've been thinking of automating the process, but too lazy :P
 
vzn
the code there is half of it already
 
10:35 PM
@mniip I have a solution that creates valid solutions, but it has got a false negative using your example.
And it is not golfed yet
 
vzn
bet a lot of ppl might use that if built into se
 
@mniip Now the bot actually works! :P
(hopefully)
 
vzn
the bot is interesting too anyone know any details on that?
havent seen one before in se... of course many irc bots...
 
@hosch250 Would it not be fundamentally identical to most of the existing questions?
 
Well, SE chat isn't IRC... sadly
 
10:36 PM
@PeterTaylor Probably. I don't frequent that tag.
 
@vzn I open-sourced it a while ago. (That's a really old version)
it's written in Ruby
 
vzn
ruby yay =)
 
@hosch250 Oh, sorry. "Down for" something is an American figure of speech meaning I'm interested in it.
 
@JonathanVanMatre OK, I've known it to be used both ways.
Peter Taylor thinks it will just be a kolmogrov complexity.
I planned for a popularity contest.
 
10:52 PM
Damn that rebel thing is near impossible to beat
 
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A: Proposed questions sandbox - Mark IX

izaberaFind a prime In 1946 Erdos and Copeland proved that a certain number is a normal number, i.e. the digits in its decimal expansion are uniformly distributed. Users will input a sequence of digits and you will find the smallest prime that contains that string in base 10. Example: input -> out...

 
As a golf it would reduce to a kolmogorov. As a popularity it could be fun.
 
I should get my sister to design one for me to code. She's good at art.
@TheDoctor Why don't you join us in meta?
In the sandbox?
We need more feedback, and I noticed some of your posts keep getting closed.
Does anyone know of any peer-reviewed papers that I could use for a persuasive security paper? I can't find enough.
I want virus dangers/descriptions and methods to keep yourself safe.
 
sand is too... sandy
 
I don't, but Security.SE could probably give you a good list
 
11:05 PM
OK, thanks. I am crawling through all my college's databases, but I can't quite find enough.
@TheDoctor Should we name it the SillyPuttyBox?
 
the NonNewtonianFluidBox
 
Gravelbox
 
ThePlaceOfValidation
 
BoulderBox
 
We could start a meta discussion, but it would get nowhere.
 
11:09 PM
ComeOn, @hosch250 WeShouldTalkLikeThisFromNowOn
 
ShouldWe?
 
YesWeShoud
 
OCamlCase
 
conventions_master_race
 
WhatIsOCaml
?
 
11:11 PM
CamelCase?
 
IThoughtOCamlWasAProgrammingLanguage
 
MaybeWeShouldMakeOne.
 
OCamlIzAProgrammingLanguage
 
Oh, that is news.
 
11:13 PM
YouUseSpaces?!?!!?!!??!
 
Does IT Security have a chat?
 
><>
 
Never mind. Found it.
 
<><
 
That looks like a fish, just like this: (',' {{ >{{
 
11:18 PM
   0
     O
    o
><>
 
All of these fish look like BF programs
 
Maybe we should write a variant of GolfScript based on fish faces and name it FishFace.
 
11:50 PM
Ever since I saw that one tableflip comment someone posted on a BF answer, I want to make an esolang based entirely on Japanese emoji
for example, tableflip reverses an array
 

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