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Ryan Ries
Ryan Ries
6:00 PM
The Hilton right across the street from the convention center
 
Mathias R. Jessen
Mathias R. Jessen
I wanna go to TechEd NA too :(
 
Ryan Ries
Ryan Ries
@MathiasR.Jessen Beg your boss!
 
Mathias R. Jessen
Mathias R. Jessen
2 years in a row they've ditched me because they needed another ticket to get new potential employees on board
 
Ryan Ries
Ryan Ries
Bah
Yeah one of my friends, the principal IT architect at another company, keeps getting denied and he's about to quit because of it
 
Mathias R. Jessen
Mathias R. Jessen
I'm about to quit because of it
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
6:11 PM
You Microsoft people
 
pauska
pauska
@RyanRies rich fuck
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
New client needs internet... is 50Mbps down/5Mbps up an acceptable rate for a small business?
 
MikeyB
MikeyB
@ewwhite totally. Assuming no large outbound load that'll overload that. (cloud backups?)
 
Ryan Ries
Ryan Ries
Corporate credit card ftw
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pauska
pauska
@ewwhite we're at ~30mbit average with around 2000 pc's
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
6:22 PM
@MikeyB They are on 7Mbps down 768k up right now
 
pauska
pauska
so yes, 50mbit is probably enough for a SMB..
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
this is a social media/blog/party promoter... dubfrequency.com
They basically need to upload things to social media
and consume youtube
 
pauska
pauska
unless they're uploading uncompressed AVI, I think you're good with 50mbit .. really..
 
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
@RyanRies Then why slum it at the Hilton?
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
@pauska that's 50Mbps download... only 5Mbps upload.
but that should be okay for a 12-person office.
 
pauska
pauska
6:27 PM
ohhh
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
And @ScottPack The user "warren" doesn't like any answers...
5
Q: Can you change the virtual NIC type after building a VM?

warrenWhen building a VM, you can select which virtual device type you would like a vNIC to be (E1000, VMXNET3, etc). After the VM is created, can you change the type of vNIC in use on a given connection (eg from E1000 to VMXNET3)? If so, how?

networking vmware-vsphere vmware-vcenter vswitch
 
voretaq7
voretaq7
@ScottPack I think either you or @MDMarra posted that a long time ago
 
pauska
pauska
Well.. what kind of pipe are we talking about. It's not ADSL, is it? :(
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
@pauska Cable modem
 
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
@ewwhite Which is funny because every one of the answers is a different way of doing it.
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
6:28 PM
They're on ADSL now, and it's super slow.
 
pauska
pauska
both asymmetrical then
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
@ScottPack naw, he said my answer was a duplicate.
 
Ryan Ries
Ryan Ries
@ScottPack I just wanted to be within walking distance of the convention center
 
pauska
pauska
lots of uploads will kill their download rate and latency.. but I'm sure you know that already
can't they get a 10mbit fibre?
 
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
@ewwhite I suppose I could post another answer recommending he delete and completely recreate the guest....
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
6:29 PM
@pauska yes, no symmetrical service available in this neighborhood... Because American infrastructure sucks.
 
pauska
pauska
not even G.SHDSL?
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
@pauska this is in a really bad neighborhood... next to my produce companies in Los Angeles... and yes, the produce companies are finally getting fiber...
 
pauska
pauska
they can bond up to 16mbit with certain dslam's
 
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
@ewwhite Which is bullshit because John's is factually wrong.
 
pauska
pauska
@RyanRies we're 8 blocks away, and that's also walking distance :)
 
MikeyB
MikeyB
6:30 PM
@ewwhite You think US infrastructure sucks? At least you have choices. We were trying to get something better than 6Mb/512Kb DSL service in fucking Toronto.
 
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
@pauska Not for an American.
4
 
pauska
pauska
@ScottPack except New York
 
freiheit
freiheit
@MikeyB Most people in the US don't really have any bandwidth choices
 
pauska
pauska
besides, Houston have trams
 
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
@MikeyB Not really. My choices are DSL from the telephone company, Cable from the cable company, or dialup.
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
6:31 PM
New Yorkers are slim because food is expensive, walking, cigarettes and cocaine.
 
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
And it's an evolutionary disavantage to be fat in New York. You can't fit on subways, in cabs, or on the sidewalk.
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
@MikeyB That is sad... But so is watching Love it or List it, in which they always seem to be in Toronto neighborhoods... Crappy housing-stock.
 
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
@MikeyB @jscott @ewwhite For multi-U devices do you label them as the bottom most unit or give the range?
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
@ScottPack Range... "ProLiant DL380p Gen8 - fluffer.brazzers.local - Rack units 18-19"
 
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
@ewwhite So is fluffer.brazzers.local the load balancer for the DCs?
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
6:42 PM
something like that...
in reality, the load balancers were Supermicro 5015's... but I can dream
 
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
Or would the flufflers be the web accelerators?
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Ryan Ries
Ryan Ries
Heh heh... bootstrap ... heh heh...
 
freiheit
freiheit
6:57 PM
@ScottPack Do they even still have fluffers? Are you sure they weren't obsoleted by the superior technology of viagra and cialis?
 
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
@freiheit I actually don't know, you'll have to ask our resident porn expert, @ewwhite.
 
voretaq7
voretaq7
@ScottPack prawn?
 
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
I don't care for shellfish.
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
@freiheit yes, fluffers.
 
jscott
jscott
@ScottPack I just label at their bottom U. The "height" column lets us know how many Us they consume.
 
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
7:07 PM
@jscott That was my notion.
 
jscott
jscott
Mind you, I think there must be a better way than an unwieldy, homebrew, spreadsheet. But then I lose hours messing with something like RackTables and I'm reminded that "nope", a simple spreadsheet is probably more than enough.
 
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
We use dokuwiki internally so I'm just formatting in a table there and attaching a Visio
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
@jscott didn't I ask this question before?
 
jscott
jscott
7:26 PM
@ewwhite Quite possibly. It seems to be a recurring theme for sysadmins, at least here in chat. There's Visio, and those who love/master it... then everything else (RackTables, etc) which are each of varying quality/usefulness.
 
freiheit
freiheit
@jscott And then that one guy with an inhouse tool that's awesome but not quite able to be released open-source.... ;)
 
MDMarra
MDMarra
sup n00bs?
 
jscott
jscott
@freiheit So exactly like the other OSS tools, he just hasn't copy/pasted a LICENSE file? :)
 
freiheit
freiheit
@jscott Plus some crazy shit that requires documentation...
@MDMarra First day of classes at the university, so naturally there's a major moodle update. That's what's up. :)
 
MDMarra
MDMarra
fun
 
Ryan Ries
Ryan Ries
7:31 PM
How about a CMDB that procedurally generates a Visio when you click the Export button
 
jscott
jscott
A perl-based config, which generates m4 files, which generates a makefile, which checks its deps (which cannot be satisfied on any distro using default repos), which calls arbitrary SQL from the maintainer's blog using wget.
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freiheit
freiheit
@RyanRies Use graphviz for that.
 
MikeyB
MikeyB
Oh god OH god OH GOD. That's worse than curl | sudo bash
 
Dennis Kaarsemaker
Dennis Kaarsemaker
 
freiheit
freiheit
(graphviz won't give you Visio output, you can totally output a set of relations and get a drawing out of it)
 
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
7:36 PM
@jscott Are you installing bro too?
 
ewwhite
ewwhite
0
Q: Microsoft is blocking mail from entire netblock. ISP doesn't know what to do?

ewwhiteI recently moved a client from basic T1 service to a multi-site MPLS solution with same vendor. The ISP, XO Communications, provided a decade of stable service as a T1 provider. The process of moving to the MPLS was a bit rocky and involved an IP address reassignment. Following the firewall, lin...

exchange-2010 spam isp hotmail
because produce companies have ever worse clients...
aol.com, hotmail.com, hotmale.com, msn.com, comcast.net...
 
jscott
jscott
@RyanRies Please do this.
 
MikeyB
MikeyB
@ScottPack If I were to actually do this, I'd give them the range.
 
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
@MikeyB Some people just want to watch the world burn
 
voretaq7
voretaq7
@DennisKaarsemaker Dog's gonna bite you for using M4.
 
MikeyB
MikeyB
7:39 PM
@RyanRies Can you make it generate an Apple instead?
 
jscott
jscott
@voretaq7 Well you want sendmail support, right?
 
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
You know who else used M4? Nazis.
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voretaq7
voretaq7
 
Dennis Kaarsemaker
Dennis Kaarsemaker
@voretaq7 so tempted to flag that....
 
voretaq7
voretaq7
@DennisKaarsemaker I'll just mark it as invalid :P
 
Dan
Dan
7:44 PM
I've come in to ask one single question
 
voretaq7
voretaq7
@Dan Yes, Doge is the official mascot of M4.
 
Dan
Dan
Is there anything more infuriating than someone who seeks you out, asks your advice and then chooses to completely fucking ignore everything you say?
5
 
voretaq7
voretaq7
@Dan Nope.
 
MDMarra
MDMarra
@Dan That's why I left my last job
well, partly why
 
Dan
Dan
@voretaq7 MIL sent over a link to a cheap shitty £30 all-in-one supermarket inkjet. I said no, I don't advise because you use it too infrequently and ink will be expensive. Let me have a look around and/or if you can put up without colour, I'd recommend laser
 
voretaq7
voretaq7
7:45 PM
@Dan hell get a fucking color laser printer
 
Dan
Dan
Anyway, she's chosen to totally ignore the above advice and no doubt I'll be installing and then looking after this POS
 
voretaq7
voretaq7
seriously, mine was $200. I'm still on the original "starter" color toner.
 
Dan
Dan
@voretaq7 I couldn't agree more, but cost prohibitive. Plus, I need to invest soon so I could maybe get that and she could use her B&W day to day
 
voretaq7
voretaq7
you can get 'em cheaper than that at least in the US
 
Dan
Dan
@voretaq7 What's yours?
 
voretaq7
voretaq7
7:47 PM
some crappy lexmark that I don't remember the model number of :P
it doesn't do duplexing, but other than that it's awesome.
 
Dan
Dan
Anyway, I don't even know why I'm bothering to think about it now, it'll just end up in a row if I push it too hard
Problem is, like a lot of people, she thinks I'm on the pulse of desktop IT - when the truth is, I know fuck all about desktop stuff and printers and that
 
Nathan C
Nathan C
@Dan The toner for that inkjet will exceed the cost of the printer itself...
 
kce
kce
Sweet. My WSUS/SUP server is hosed.
 
Dan
Dan
@NathanC I know :(
 
Nathan C
Nathan C
I have an all-in-one canon personally that i bought at the start of college for $40. Still runs perfectly...although I don't use it often. Cartridges cost ~$50 for a set
 
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
7:51 PM
@Dan Take a job in security, you'll get used to it.
 
Dan
Dan
@ScottPack Who cares about that
Oh, my filez :(
 
Nathan C
Nathan C
@kce Ouch. To shreds you say?
 
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
Yeah....that VTL backup system? That should probably not be connectable from the Internet over telnet using default credentials. That seems like a less than stellar idea.
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Nathan C
Nathan C
"Congratulations! Dell OpenManage Network Manager has been successfully installed"
inb4implosion
 
Dan
Dan
@ScottPack :D
 
kce
kce
7:53 PM
DBA migrated the SCCM database from SQL 2008 R2 to SQL 2012. I think something in the installation stepped on some IIS settings
 
Nathan C
Nathan C
Tomcat eating 1.2 GB and hasn't served a single page yet. Neat.
 
MDMarra
MDMarra
Welcome to Tomcat
 
kce
kce
Re-installed WSUS role and the problem still persists so something is all messed up.
 
Nathan C
Nathan C
I think this box need moar RAM
@kce What "problem" anyway?
oh...damnit...
it shares a port with my unifi controller >.> whoops
 
kce
kce
@NathanC - WSUS won't start with the Application Pool set to Intergrated: "HTTP Error 500.24 - Internal Server Error

An ASP.NET setting has been detected that does not apply in Integrated managed pipeline mode."
 
Nathan C
Nathan C
7:57 PM
Oh...AppPool crap.
 
Dan
Dan
Using the Pearson Vue website is like going back to 1997
 
MDMarra
MDMarra
it is
same with Prometric
both are trash
 
kce
kce
If I set the AppPool to Classic, I can get it to start but none of the WSUS services work:
- Client Web Service (Event ID 12022)
- API Remoting Web Service (Event ID 12012)
- DSS Authentication Web Service (Event ID 12052)
- SimpleAuth Web Service (Event ID 12042)
- Server Synchronization Web Service (Event ID 12032)
- Reporting Web Service (Event ID 12002)
 
Nathan C
Nathan C
@kce Wait...how did an SCCM upgrade nuke your wsus? You do have them on separate boxes, right?
 
Dan
Dan
@MDMarra I find it insane that I have to select an exam centre (And only 4 options at a time) and THEN have to go through each one individually to find an appointment. Talk about backwards
 
MDMarra
MDMarra
7:59 PM
yup
 
Nathan C
Nathan C
Bah, meeting.... bbl
 
Dan
Dan
And as if that weren't enough, at least 3 I've clicked don't ever offer the exam at all ever
 
MDMarra
MDMarra
what exam
 
kce
kce
@NathanC - Nope. SCCM Site Server has WSUS installed on it for Software Update Point. Our DBA upgraded the install of MS SQL to 2012 and I think something in that process goobered it all up.
 
Dan
Dan
@MDMarra For complete shits and giggles (Cos honestly, I don't hold out much hope), I was gonna book the Citrix Expert exam for Sat
 
MDMarra
MDMarra
8:00 PM
nice
good luck if you ever navigate the website
 
Dan
Dan
@MDMarra Well, I passed the first tier (Associate) last Thursday so had a bash at the Pro tier on Sat and passed that. Thought I might try the hatrick
@MDMarra Don't joke - somewhere along the line I'm now stuck with the e-mail address of $CurrentPlace as my username, and I don't think I can ever changing it without risking losing the association between my Citrix username and my certs
 
MDMarra
MDMarra
I'm the same way with VMware
I had to hvae a partner account to skip the VCP class and still get the cert
So I have a VMware account with work address and a pearson account with a home one
I think
 
Dan
Dan
Citrix is similar, here's what I have
1) Citrix Certification Account
2) Citrix Training Account (Somehow not linked to the above)
3) Citrix User Account (Personal)
4) Citrix User Account (Work, associated with company)
5) Citrix User Account (My new company)
6) Citrix Pearson Vue Account
And on that note - fuck it, fuck them and fuck you
Tea time!
 
MDMarra
MDMarra
byebye
 
MikeyB
MikeyB
8:15 PM
Argh... so tempted to pick up one of the high-end Cisco APs for home at NFR pricing…
 
MDMarra
MDMarra
@MikeyB Slippery slope. Then you get a second. Then you get a controller.
 
Magellan
Magellan
howdy all
 
MDMarra
MDMarra
The entire Arsenal game has been one giant stoppage so far
 
pauska
pauska
aresnal? :)
 
MDMarra
MDMarra
soccer (UK translation: football)
 
pauska
pauska
8:19 PM
Arsenal mate
not ARESnal
 
MDMarra
MDMarra
haaaa
typo
I hate this keyboard
 
pauska
pauska
but yes, arsenal should win that
but I hope not
:)
Pains me that they got Mezut.. he should have gone to manu
stupid fellaini purchase
 
MDMarra
MDMarra
11 of the first 20 minutes have been injury stoppage so far
 
Joel E Salas
Joel E Salas
Ruby developers fucking suck
 
pauska
pauska
it says 5 minutes here
 
MDMarra
MDMarra
8:22 PM
There was just a 7 minute one that ended a second ago
I've got it on TV
 
pauska
pauska
I don't have premier league, too damn expensive
it's like $70/m here
 
MDMarra
MDMarra
A few of the channels in the regular cable package carry some of the games here
 
mossy
mossy
@MDMarra Can you find the dev speak?

'Can you do me a favor? If it's not already installed can you install php-gd with php-frm?'
 
MDMarra
MDMarra
all of it?
 
mossy
mossy
mostly the last bit
le sigh
How are you guys?
 
MDMarra
MDMarra
8:26 PM
@pauska I pay $200/season for the baseball package every year. If I didn't I'd only get a dozen Boston games per year
Streaming HD to Apple TV
If I bought it through my TV company, it'd be more
 
Joel E Salas
Joel E Salas
@mossy lol php-frm
 
pauska
pauska
What's wrong with FPM? I use it :)
fast as hell now with opcode baked in 5.5
@MDMarra balls..
 
MDMarra
MDMarra
Bad defense
 
voretaq7
voretaq7
@pauska bawls
 
MDMarra
MDMarra
wow
that was brutal
 
pauska
pauska
8:36 PM
balllllls
 
MDMarra
MDMarra
haha you're like 45 seconds behind me
that second goal was so bad
 
pauska
pauska
no I wasn't paying attention
and I'm watch a text coverage.. no video
 
MDMarra
MDMarra
ah
The second goal - two defenders on him, put the shot through one of their legs
 
Skyhawk
Skyhawk
So, when you're hiring someone for a low-level job and you want to screen for basic competency in the PC realm, is there credential that's even better than an A+ certification?
 
voretaq7
voretaq7
@Skyhawk Bartending license.
 
Mark Henderson
Mark Henderson
8:39 PM
@Skyhawk Can they help their mother format a Word document from 1,000 miles away over the phone
 
MDMarra
MDMarra
@Skyhawk For Microsoft shops, there are entry level MTA certification now, but they haven't been out there nearly long enough to expect people to have them.
 
Joel E Salas
Joel E Salas
@pauska The developer said "frm" not "fpm"
 
Skyhawk
Skyhawk
@voretaq7 A+ costs an absurd $376 retail, bartending license probably costs more.
@MDMarra Yeah. My students will be getting all four of the MTAs.
 
MDMarra
MDMarra
thats what it is
 
Skyhawk
Skyhawk
@MDMarra Those, we can site license. Unfortunately we can't site license CompTIA.
 
MDMarra
MDMarra
8:40 PM
MTA not MCA
 
Skyhawk
Skyhawk
Yeah, MCA is the honorary certificate that Ballmer will be given at his retirement party.
 
MDMarra
MDMarra
ha
 
Skyhawk
Skyhawk
I'll leave whatever "A" stands for to your imagination.
 
MDMarra
MDMarra
They've killed the MCA/MCM programs now
 
voretaq7
voretaq7
@Skyhawk yes, but the bartending license can actually get you gainful employment! :)
 
MDMarra
MDMarra
8:41 PM
There used to be a real MCA
Microsoft Certified Architect
The pre-req for it was one or more MCMs
 
Skyhawk
Skyhawk
Presumably because no one was earning them?
 
MDMarra
MDMarra
Not sure about MCA but I know MCM rotations were two weeks long and happened once a quarter. I'm told attendance was typically 15-25
They didn't explain why they killed them off - just that their focus has changed and would be changing their certification paths to match
Basically "moar cloud, less on-prem expertise"
 
Joel E Salas
Joel E Salas
@ewwhite Do you know the term ratchet?
 
voretaq7
voretaq7
@JoelESalas It's a type of LART right? :)
 
MikeyB
MikeyB
@voretaq7 Yes, this is the proper application of said LART: i.imgur.com/L5kMTK0.jpg (surgery picture)
 
Dennis Kaarsemaker
Dennis Kaarsemaker
8:50 PM
@pauska arse 'n all
 
cole
cole
Well, that's gross.
 
84104
84104
@MikeyB So much for eating lunch.
4
 
cole
cole
Surprisingly did not make me sick to my stomach. Just kinda stared at it like "huh, that's nasty."
 
mossy
mossy
@MikeyB uhhh?
 
freiheit
freiheit
 
MikeyB
MikeyB
8:52 PM
@freiheit Isn't that supposed to move?
 
voretaq7
voretaq7
@MikeyB . . . now is that a pig, or did somebody not pay their mechanic?
 
MikeyB
MikeyB
@voretaq7 LOL… scoliosis surgery. You can imagine how they'll be manipulating the spine back into place and pinning it down - pretty cool.
 
voretaq7
voretaq7
@MikeyB innnnteresting
 
Mark Henderson
Mark Henderson
@MikeyB What is that?
nvm read further down
 
MikeyB
MikeyB
@MarkHenderson "You may be a little sore when you wake up from surgery."
 
Mark Henderson
Mark Henderson
8:59 PM
@MikeyB Yeah; no shit
 
Dennis Kaarsemaker
Dennis Kaarsemaker
@MikeyB "Yeah, we just rebuilt your entire body from scratch. There will be some bugs to sort out"
 
tombull89
tombull89
@MikeyB ouch
 
Dennis Kaarsemaker
Dennis Kaarsemaker
Dubsteb and scotch - not an unreasonable combination at all!
 
cole
cole
Dubscotch
 
freiheit
freiheit
9:19 PM
@DennisKaarsemaker The only unreasonable part is that you're not sharing the scotch
 
Dennis Kaarsemaker
Dennis Kaarsemaker
@freiheit let me fax you some...
 
mossy
mossy
Cooking salmon tonight :D
 
Dennis Kaarsemaker
Dennis Kaarsemaker
om nom
I had rainbow trout
 
cole
cole
hooray - work is getting me a new iPhone
now time to go home
 
Michael Hampton
Michael Hampton
9:36 PM
@cole You're happy about this?
If someone wanted to give me an iPhone, I'd wonder just how much they hated me.
 
voretaq7
voretaq7
@MichaelHampton It's just a little NSA-infiltrated! It's still good!
 
Dennis Kaarsemaker
Dennis Kaarsemaker
@MichaelHampton last year everyone got an ipad from work. Sold it while still shrinkwrapped.
 
Michael Hampton
Michael Hampton
I'd probably have to do the same.
 
voretaq7
voretaq7
I don't understand the iPrecious hate
it's no more or less shit than an android device
 
Michael Hampton
Michael Hampton
Ever tried to sideload an app onto an iPhone?
 
voretaq7
voretaq7
9:43 PM
@MichaelHampton Nope. No reason to.
 
Mark Henderson
Mark Henderson
Q: Is buying hardware from amazon "safe"? The prices I'm seeing on Amazon are 1/3 of the price we pay locally
 
Michael Hampton
Michael Hampton
@voretaq7 Everything you could possibly ever want is in the walled garden?
@MarkHenderson If it actually is being sold by Amazon, then yes. Be wary of third party sellers though.
 
Mark Henderson
Mark Henderson
@MichaelHampton Interesting
Cos some of this shit seems too good to be true
 
voretaq7
voretaq7
@MichaelHampton I've yet to encounter something that isn't. I have VoIP, SSH, VNC, Telnet, a web browser, a tuning fork, a thingy that reads barcodes, some flight-planning software, and a couple of games. What am I missing?
 
Mark Henderson
Mark Henderson
That is $950 here
 
Michael Hampton
Michael Hampton
9:46 PM
@MarkHenderson Yes, that's a third party seller. Check them out carefully before you buy.
 
Mark Henderson
Mark Henderson
Oh, just noticed that's not even new
That's why it's so cheap
Sneaky
 
Michael Hampton
Michael Hampton
 
Mark Henderson
Mark Henderson
@MichaelHampton Thanks
:13167652 I'm looking for more like 60% off :P
Actually I'm just collating a spreadsheet of costs for approval at the moment
 
Chris S
Chris S
There was someone selling a "HP Server" on Amazon, someone here bought one, got a CD Drive instead.
 
Mark Henderson
Mark Henderson
@ChrisS Nasty
Does Amazon do any sort of Buyer Protection a-la what eBay does?
 
Michael Hampton
Michael Hampton
9:55 PM
@MarkHenderson They're very good about returns, generally. I've never had them reject a return for any reason.
 
Chris S
Chris S
@MarkHenderson Not as well as I'd expect. They'll force a return, so you're not out money, but they don't take down the advertisement, and don't force a seller to ship what was advertised.
 
Mark Henderson
Mark Henderson
Better than a kick in the balls I guess
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
 
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