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The mobile version is a life saver. It is quite a bit faster at loading webpages. Yeah for finally having phones that bandwidth and not procession power limits the download.

Jin

i'm sad to hear about win7 phone's browser

rchern

3:07 AM

I use Opera on my iPhone. Damn good thing too. If I try to view my work's OWA in Safari it crashes every single damn time.

Worked fine for about a year and then every since then it crashes.

Jin

reddit.com/r/web_design/comments/dxyea/…

rchern

heh

Michael Mrozek

I think this comment really is the only reason IE6 still exists

Terrible internal web apps that don't work on any other browser

rchern

aye

my company upgraded the firm to ie7 about a year and a half ago

of course, we're still stuck on xp

well, everyone but IT haha

Tim Stone

eats pumpkin seeds

Michael Mrozek

3:13 AM

@rchern We are too, except for the small cabal of us that secretly installed Linux

Jin

did IE6 ever fix the clipboard bug?

to me that's a real risk.

rchern

@MichaelMrozek, well we're a .net shop, so... (;

actually what I love is that PC support all have mac laptops. they don't support mac.

Michael Mrozek

@Jin I don't know what it is. That sites can read from your clipboard?

rchern

but when I ask for a mac laptop so I can play around with iPhone apps and possibly build one for the company, nope, can't allow that.

grumbles

Jin

@MichaelMrozek yeah, without the browser prompting anything. they can just ajax whatever's in your clipboard and post to server.

Michael Mrozek

3:15 AM

@rchern If you have text in the input field and do the Ctrl+Up way of selecting a post to reply to, it loses the existing text. I demand this be fixed at once

rchern

[status-norepro]

Tim Stone

[status-bydesign]

But I'll also fix it. :P

Michael Mrozek

Good, I'll ignore @rchern's lies then :)

rchern

o:

no. repro. !!

Michael Mrozek

@TimStone It should also support replacing an existing ID, if possible (i.e. don't just prepend the ID to the input text)

@rchern Press right

rchern

3:19 AM

Ah.

Tim Stone

@rchern I've fixed the fact that I forgot to give you rounded borders too, by the way. ;)

rchern

!

Tim Stone

It's what I get for being too lazy to open Chrome.

@MichaelMrozek Yeah, that makes sense.

rchern

declares the default browser for the userscript to be Chrome <_<

Tim Stone

:P

Michael Mrozek

3:25 AM

Victory! Let's convert it to a Chrome extension

TAKE THAT FIREFOX

Tim Stone

NO BUG FIX FOR YOU!

Michael Mrozek

Good point. @rchern Wait until @TimStone has added as much as possible to the userscript, then cut him off

rchern

honestly I think building it out into an extension that lets you toggle the options would be a good thing.

But keeping it at the userscript simplicity definitely has value.

Michael Mrozek

It would also make it easy to split out different features into different source files, and allows automatic updates. The lack of cross-browser support pretty much kills it though

Some sort of options interface would be nice though

Even just a web interface that writes to local storage

Tim Stone

Hmm, that's not a bad idea.

rchern

3:28 AM

Aye, the compatibility and keeping things in sync wouldn't be fun at all

Michael Mrozek

I'm the opposite of the SO devs; every time we disagree on anything I want an entry in an options dialog that lets the user choose between them

rchern

hehe yeah

Then maybe @YiJiang would be happy about the timestamps

Jin

have you guys commented on meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/69063/…

Michael Mrozek

Oh. No, totally missed it

rchern

I have!

My single comment is extremely valuable to the discussion.

Michael Mrozek

3:29 AM

I don't actually use the homepage, so my opinions are limited

Jin

"If you are an avid user, we don't expect you to use the homepage." - Jeff Atwood

Michael Mrozek

Oh. Mission successful then

I don't use individual tag pages either though, so fail :). I use the newest question list

rchern

I live on /questions sort=active or newest

sometimes on SO I'll limit to tags/newest if I searching for things to answer

Michael Mrozek

I'm considering a greasemonkey script that adds a button to SO questions tagged with [php] that pre-fills the comment dialog with a comment explaining that the code is unsafe and anyone with 5 minutes on their hands could hack it without effort

It would be much faster than manually typing it in every time I see a php code snippet

rchern

LOL

Sohum

3:50 AM

/edit by itself seems kinda useless, when Up Arrow does the same thing

rchern

well sure

but it was more like, /edit <id> is there, so why not make the arg optional

Sohum

nod

Tim Stone

Hah :P

Sohum

doesn't work in chrome?

is it just the requiring-external-scripts thing?

Michael Mrozek

It works in Chrome, rchern and I both use it

Sohum

4:01 AM

/edit

what am I missing, then?

Michael Mrozek

Shift+enter?

rchern

no just enter

did you refresh the page after installing it

Michael Mrozek

Oh, I guess both work

It used to be shift+enter only, right? Or did I make that up

Sohum

/me tests

yep, I did refresh the page

rchern

@MichaelMrozek for the first day or two, yeah.

@Sohum, did you install from stackflair.com or github?

Michael Mrozek

4:03 AM

@Sohum You see the timestamps and message IDs on the right of each message?

Sohum

@rchern stackflair

@MichaelMrozek nope.

Michael Mrozek

It's not working then :)

Sohum

clearly :)

Michael Mrozek

Is the stackflair one old? As in pre-@include chat.stackexchange.com?

rchern

hmm, I guess I need to update it with tonight's changes anyway

maybe, yeah

@Sohum, uninstall what you've got and give me a sec

Michael Mrozek

4:04 AM

Is there a reason to keep them separate? Just redirect the stackflair one to github

rchern

@Sohum try stackflair.com/SEChatModifications.user.js

Sohum

the manifest includes every url, for some reason, but the userscript has the @include chat.stackexchange.com/rooms* line

trying..

nothing.

rchern

errors in the console?

Sohum

nothing relevant.

oh, duh

I had stackflair.com blocked

rchern

o:

Sohum

4:10 AM

and yay timestamps!

Michael Mrozek

Who doesn't, these days

Sohum

celebrates

rchern

@MichaelMrozek pfffffft ):

@MichaelMrozek, you should circle your addition to the user popup in your question. I was about to tell you you're silly, the favicon is right there.

Michael Mrozek

@rchern :). Fixed

Tim Stone

Hahah

rchern

4:14 AM

also, I was probably going to use harsher words than silly...

Sohum

4 mins ago, by Michael Mrozek

Who doesn't, these days

nice.

rchern

(:

Sohum

/s andr

aww.

no short forms.

Michael Mrozek

Just annoy @rchern until she adds them

Sohum

@rchern! could you pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeease add short forms like /s ?

rchern

4:21 AM

hmm, /s for /star? that wasn't an id you tried passing to it though.

Sohum

/s for switch

rchern

ah

Sohum

/sw andr

still no

rchern

hmm, that might be confusing

with the keyboard navigation, S stars.

Sohum

what's your opinion on renaming that to Favourite?

/fav

Tim Stone

4:22 AM

@rchern An acceptable solution might be to allow for custom mappings should we add some sort of configuration interface.

Michael Mrozek

I would just have it accept any short form as long as it's unambiguous

rchern

@Sohum against. the chat UI calls it starring.

Michael Mrozek

So /sw and /st work automatically, /s doesn't do anything

(inspired by cisco routers)

Oh. Well done whoever coded that then :)

Sohum

also, /del just doesn't work

rchern

o:

Michael Mrozek

4:24 AM

I'm suspicious...

Sohum

@MichaelMrozek that's the standard behaviour

"Error processing del: Unable to delete message."

rchern

/blame @MichaelMrozek

why did you break /del?!?!

Sohum

also, goddamn the ids are long

Michael Mrozek

As you've pointed out multiple times, I haven't committed in ages :)

Sohum

chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/843#843

Tim Stone

4:25 AM

Wasn't /del broken before?

Is it now re-broken?

Sohum

yea, it doesn't unique-substring ids :P

rchern

are you able to see the message you just linked to?

Sohum

nope.

I was hoping it would link to

rchern

whew (;

Sohum

2 mins ago, by Michael Mrozek

I'm suspicious...

so I tried just /quote 843, in the hope that it would be clever

rchern

4:27 AM

nah, it uses the full id

Sohum

yea :(

Michael Mrozek

Good, every time I want to add something it turns out it already exists

rchern

such as?

Michael Mrozek

Substring IDs, in this case

rchern

I'm not sure the command setup would easily allow mapping, custom or coded in

substring ids are not supported...

Tim Stone

4:30 AM

As a bit of a sidebar, this isn't technically Chat Feedback anymore... :P

rchern

LOL

Sohum

priority feature request: if a message starts with /, but the script doesn't understand it, then don't send it. Allow escaping, if necessary.

Michael Mrozek

That's a good idea

rchern

I'll bet you all pretend drinking fruity drinks with foreign n...

Michael Mrozek

Accept // to start with one slash, that's what irssi does

rchern

4:31 AM

Unless someone thinks we should create a room, meh.

Michael Mrozek

← 103 messages moved from Chat feedback

Tim Stone

@MichaelMrozek Yeah, I had mentioned the // thing before, I guess I can implement it.

@rchern I don't want to further provoke the wrath of the chat powers that be by polluting their feedback channel, is all I'm saying. ;)

rchern

chat feedback just got really empty hahaha

Tim Stone

Hahahah

Michael Mrozek

My screen lagged for a few seconds when it happened, I was a bit nervous that I'd broken the internet

Tim Stone

4:33 AM

Should feature request that when the entire room's worth of messages gets moved out it should auto-load older messages ;)

...Then we should quickly add that to the userscript to say we fixed it first.

rchern

\o/

the other day Robert asked for a feature request and I wrote a userscript and gave it to him lol

Michael Mrozek

In theory somebody should point out that we're in the wrong room before we're 103 messages in

Tim Stone

I was caught up in the moment.

Michael Mrozek

It's fine; I blame @rchern

Tim Stone

The very lengthy, wordy moment.

Hmm, let's see what all I can shove in my (probably separate..) commit(s). :P

rchern

4:36 AM

I am immune to all blame

It bounces off of me onto @MichaelMrozek

Tim Stone

/immunity

rchern

@TimStone hehehehe at separate commits

Tim Stone

For the sake of feature set traceability, of course.

Sohum

of course :P

rchern

5:15 AM

i like how the convo died once we moved in here

Tim Stone

Heheh :P

makes changes to the README file

That's commit worthy, right? ;)

rchern

(:

Michael Mrozek

2:07 PM

Rovio!

:(

Zypher

haha not for you ;)

alexanderpas

@Zypher could we have a Rovio chat room? with the feed from Rovio?

Michael Mrozek

I imagine they don't want us pulling images from their office whenever we want. And it's probably docked right now, so it'd get boring pretty fast

alexanderpas

btw: indeed not expensive!

Zypher

@alexanderpas nah ... the problem is we don't want our internet slaughtered and i can just see a chat room full of people constantly trying to pull pics

@Michael yes docked and staring right at me ... gets creep sometimes

alexanderpas

2:20 PM

@Zypher caching?

@Zypher Pics or it didn't happen!

Zypher

@alexanderpas not really a good way to do it, they are getting the current photo via the rovio API

I mean would could probably jig something up, but then you start running into the more work than it's worth territory

Michael Mrozek

I'm not going to be satisfied until there's a chat-driven way to make the robot follow @balpha around attempting to trip him

Zypher

lol

well that would be REALLY hard since he isn't in the NY office

Michael Mrozek

I have confidence in you all

alexanderpas

@Zypher just ship the rovio.

Zypher

2:24 PM

haha ... but they we wouldn't have one!

Michael Mrozek

Buy 7?

Arda Xi

2:39 PM

I test-drove a Rovio once. Was really disappointed at how slow it was.

rchern

catches up and thinks the Rovio mention is very random

Arda Xi

It is, yes.

rchern

Also, y'all are being cheap.

video or it didn't happen.

alexanderpas

@rchern blame @JeffAtwood for that

rchern

ah hehehehe

now it makes sense (:

Michael Mrozek

2:44 PM

@rchern There was a link, it was just fairly hidden

36 mins ago, by Michael Mrozek

:(

alexanderpas

Why is this stuff always so hard to get in europe?

rchern

Ah yes, I did not notice your backwards smiley was a link.

Kortuk

I read your comment and looked 3 times rchern before I figured out what you meant

rchern

q:

Michael Mrozek

8:34 PM

It took me about 10 minutes to remember that ajax requests won't work cross-site. Argh

rchern

):

Michael Mrozek

I was trying to be helpful and write something for that math guy that would intercept $foo$ posts and convert them to mathbin images

I'm pretty sure it would've worked, except for the whole ajax posting to mathbin.net thing

badp

git pull MSOTavern SOTavern

C. Ross

Ah, there is some life in here after all

if you count mods

Michael Mrozek

Is there a reason not to?

C. Ross

8:43 PM

probably not

it's just funny that most of the highly active users here have blue names

badp

This channel makes me get the StackExchange blues.

Michael Mrozek

goes into stealth mode

badp

</bad-pun-of-the-day>

Jin

superior-web-solutions.com

C. Ross

@Jin You don't have to constantly remind us how good your designs are by contrast

badp

8:46 PM

@Jin You [0][0][0][0][0][0][3] 11/1/2010

Jin

@CRoss haha didn't mean it that way.. i was just shocked

badp

and guess who I blame?

Jin

@CRoss iccm-1.org is still my fav. but at least they're not a web design company...

C. Ross

@Jin WOW ... they should have saved on the flash and bought some more bibles

Jin

@CRoss it's so intense...

C. Ross

8:49 PM

They obviously didn't ask themselves "How would Jesus design this site?"

badp

@Jin Yeah, it seems to come right off one of those bullet hell games.

►

Jin

@badp fyi Radiant Silvergun was my favorite shooter of ALL TIME

badp

@Jin I guess you're telling me the life bar is cheating? :)

Jin

@badp I remember buying a dreamcast for $10 off ebay just for that game. the actual game cost me $100

badp

Round 3 of the final saturn mode boss does look intense.

►

LessPop_MoreFizz

10:17 PM

So... For some reason my IP has been banned from char.se it appears. That or something is broke.

I get a 'too many redirects' browser error in Safari and FF, and IE gets the SO 'to protect our users we can't accept more requests from this IP.

Tim Stone

11:31 PM

@rchern <insert meaningful message here>

@rchern I second this

rchern

that's what WA's notification sound was I think

Tim Stone

Oh, really? Heh :P

Combined with the blood red notification highlight, I didn't know what was going on. ;)

LessPop_MoreFizz

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Q: Can't access chat.se, multiple browsers deliver a 'too many redirects' browser error.

Currently I am unable to access http://chat.stackexchange.com via any link or by typing the URL. I get the following error in Safari on OS X: Too many redirects occurred trying to open “http://chat.stackexchange.com/”. This might occur if you open a page that is redirected to open another pag...

Any ideas?

Tim Stone

@LessPop_MoreFizz I've been hypothesizing, but haven't come up with anything that seems very likely. You've flushed the DNS on OS X and the caches of the respective browsers?

Oh

@LessPop_MoreFizz It's not just you :P

I instantly recreated the problem on another computer, interesting.

LessPop_MoreFizz

11:59 PM

@Tim I went so far as to download and install a totally new browser that had never been on the machine before.

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