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8:03 PM

@MadaraUchiha We're bringing the web into the 21st century! It's far more user friendly now, as all the hyperlinks are distinctly colored dark plum on a deep teal background with "<-Click here now" alerting the user that a click will cause something to happen. Previously visited and unvisited links are colored differently so that people will be able to tell pages they've already been to. Now anyone can browse the web without fear of missing clickable content.

Madara Uchiha

I loled. Hard.

@LoganM Nice, but I'd leave it to the Stack Exchange designers :D

JNat

anime.stackexchange.com/posts/4677/revisions

The links got to go, right?

@Krazer I thought I recognized that face from somewhere

Madara Uchiha

8:19 PM

@JNat Yes, I've rollbacked to your edition and left a comment.

Perhaps he thought the links were removed by accident.

JNat

@MadaraUchiha Yeah, I guess

Madara Uchiha

\o/ Benefit of the doubt! \o/

JNat

@MadaraUchiha lol

Logan M

Personally, I think we should have one CW post that includes all questions of this type, and then just close all the other ones as duplicates.

I don't think it's necessary to remove links unless it's clear that the main purpose of the site is for piracy, not for indexing.

Madara Uchiha

@LoganM I don't mind a useful, well written canonical.

But do remember that there are (plenty of) sites that index without providing illegal streams/downloads

JNat

8:29 PM

@LoganM So you mean that since they don't link directly to the torrent file, but rather to, say, nyaa, we should leave the links?

Logan M

I'll try to write a CW Q&A post about what the various databases are that index anime, manga, etc. I agree that there are plenty of options that don't provide downloads.

Madara Uchiha

@LoganM Alright, give it a shot

Krazer

but I want to DL a Miki

Logan M

@JNat It's a matter of judgement. For instance, MAL links to fansub group sites, which typically link to nyaa, which has torrent downloads, but I don't think we should go banning MAL. However, TokyoTosho also doesn't link directly to torrent files, but it's pretty clear that the primary purpose of that site is for people to find anime releases.

If the site is primarily an indexing service, then it's allowed, but if it's primary use is for people to pirate anime/manga then it probably shouldn't be.

Krazer

@LoganM should we allow ppl to talk about fansub sites at least but not link to them? @MadaraUchiha @JNat

Madara Uchiha

8:33 PM

@Krazer We're thinking this over too much again.

Logan M

@Krazer IMO no, but I don't really know.

Madara Uchiha

We aren't lawyers, and we shouldn't care unless someone does something extremely stupid, like linking directly to a fansub site or a direct stream.

I actually don't even mind if they link to a site if it complements the answer.

Krazer

lets try a soft ban on links only, if there are any issues we can just reign it in. We do get a bit of traffic from fansub forums

Madara Uchiha

(The reason I rollbacked was that @JNat already started in a path and we should finish what we started), but normally, I wouldn't remove the link.

JNat

@Krazer Not sure.

Logan M

8:38 PM

@Krazer So discussion is fine, but no direct links?

Krazer

I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts before we make a decision

sort of

JNat

we have this and this

Logan M

No overarching one.

JNat

there's also this, which is related

Logan M

Can we ask Arqade mods how they handle situations like this with pirated games? The situation is basically the same.

JNat

8:41 PM

@LoganM Yes

Krazer

@ton.yeung licensed?

@LoganM I know how they handle it

JNat

Well, I don't think we should link directly to sites which have downloading as their main focus, as @LoganM said. Mainly because it makes the site look less profissional

Krazer

@JNat emulators are ok, roms and questions about pirating or pirated games are closed (and often times deleted) on sight

Logan M

Licensing laws aren't so relevant. The US respects Japanese copyrights so even if a series is unlicensed it's still technically not legal. But more importantly, it's not a question of legality, but of how we want to present ourselves.

JNat

@Krazer hmm

Logan M

8:47 PM

@Krazer What if (for example, to make analogy to the situation in my meta post) there were comments linking to a pirated version of a game, but were helpful otherwise? Would those get flagged and deleted, or would mods remove the links?

Krazer

@LoganM all three options are possible

Logan M

@ton.yeung If we wanted it to be a perfect analogy, then yes.

Krazer

it's it involves illegal/ pirated content it's deleted

JNat

@Krazer I would say that linking might be our main issue, because of the professional look thing. But if we allow discussing fansubs and the like, we need to thread carefully. What types of questions about fansubs would be allowed, then?

Logan M

FWIW, we probably are going to have bigger problems enforcing a no piracy policy than any other site. Fansubbing and scanalation are ingrained in western anime culture.

JNat

8:49 PM

@LoganM Yup

Logan M

@ton.yeung I used a link to a forum post of a fansub group here:

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A: What's written in Ayatsuji Tsukasa's notebook?

There is no mention of the exact contents of the notebook in the original VN or the anime. There are a couple of short sequel games which I have not gone through, so in principle there could be some explanation there, but given how important this is I doubt they'd want to relegate it to a side-ga...

JNat

@LoganM I don't think that's a problem. It's linked to the forum, and not to the main site. But I may be wrong

Krazer

@LoganM I think forum links should be fine, but links to the content themselves should be discouraged

Logan M

@JNat I agree, but it's a slippery slope if we try to base it around what the content of the site is. Any policy should be about the intent of including the link.

Eric

@LoganM I thought so, too. It really makes the site easier to navigate.

JNat

8:53 PM

@ton.yeung In that particular case, linking to the forum, I don't think the link does any harm

If it were to main site, then yes, I'd say remove it

Krazer

@JNat I agree here

Logan M

In that case, it's not even obvious from the link that it's at all related to fansubbing, and the content is very much relevant to the question, so I think it's allowed. However, if it were a link to a fansub group's release post saying "this is explained at 10:35 in this video; the answer is X" then it should be removed IMO.

Krazer

the only problem we'll run into is when actual content is involved

JNat

@Krazer But you were suggesting that discussing fansubs/scanlations could be allowed. What types of questions could this generate, and what questions would we allow?

@ton.yeung I'm sorry, what's PITA? :S

Madara Uchiha

@LoganM we don't need a meta on every new tag we make.

Krazer

8:56 PM

@JNat anything that dooesn't link directly to IP/content (a screen cap of 1 or parts of a few pages is ok, but not an entire chapter)

Madara Uchiha

You know :P

Krazer

@JNat pain in the ass

JNat

@Krazer lol, obviously

Madara Uchiha

Just make the tag with a tag wiki, and roll with it.

JNat

My bad

Logan M

8:58 PM

@MadaraUchiha I want to know whether it should be a separate tag or part of identification-request

JNat

@LoganM Your post is missing some text. In the last point.

When you suggest the reference tag

Logan M

@JNat Yeah, I'll fix it.

JNat

@Krazer Oh, that means you were not suggesting allowing questions about fansubs/scanlations, but rather questions in which material from fansubs/scanlations is present. Is that it?

Logan M

@MadaraUchiha Do you think it should be separate? If so I'll just make the tag for now and we can have the discussion later if people want to merge them.

JNat

Do you have some thoughts on this whole matter, @Eric?

Eric

9:01 PM

@JNat Which? references or linking to potentially illegal content distribution sites?

JNat

@Eric The latter

Madara Uchiha

@LoganM I say go for it.

Krazer

@JNat as sources maybe, but as a topic of discussion they should be off-topic

JNat

@LoganM I think the reference tag you suggest is a good way to go

Madara Uchiha

burning the tag all at once is easy enough.

(if it's ever needed)

Go for it

JNat

9:02 PM

@Krazer I see. Then, I misunderstood your proposal.

Logan M

Okay, going for it and deleted meta post for now.

Madara Uchiha

@JNat "Which fansubbing site can give me a place to watch Naruto for free?" is off-topic

JNat

@Krazer And I get the impression @LoganM understood the same thing I did.

Eric

I'm in agreement with the school of thought that links to direct distribution sites are unprofessional and we should try to avoid them (for the sake of the site's image, not legality). This would include removing them, though there would be no penalty or anything to the user that posted them.

Madara Uchiha

But an answer regarding naruto with linking Episode 666 to a fansubbing site, I don't care.

JNat

9:04 PM

@MadaraUchiha Yes, I agree

@Eric Ok, we all seem to be on the same page.

Madara Uchiha

ot Shingeki no Kyojin readers! Chapter 48 is out

(I'm probably a little late with this :D)

Logan M

@MadaraUchiha For me, if the link is to a source which is only going to be used by people who want to obtain the material for free illegally, I don't think that link is useful or necessary.

Eric

@MadaraUchiha Not that late. I think it came out on Tuesday or yesterday.

JNat

@LoganM Yes, I agree with this. I tend to remove said links.

@MadaraUchiha you don't think it's worth the hassle?

Madara Uchiha

@JNat I think we shouldn't dwell in it.

We already discussed it to death.

Logan M

9:08 PM

However, if the link is to a post that contains information about said episode that is not apparent by just watching the episode, and the goal of the link is quoting that text, rather than the episode itself, then IMO it's fine.

JNat

@MadaraUchiha Well, I really don't dwell on it. I remove them on sight :P

Madara Uchiha

And we got a crushing answer from a Stack Exchange employee, to not dwell in it, and just leave it alone unless it's malice.

Eric

@MadaraUchiha That was w.r.t legality, though, not professionalism.

Madara Uchiha

So I find it hard to understand why every time someone links to a site we are having this discussion again :|

Logan M

Their answer was roughly that we can set our own policy with regard to this, but that there's no legal considerations to be had.

Madara Uchiha

9:17 PM

Listen to me.

Questions about fansubbing are off-topic.

Answers containing them, are not.

Simple as that.

Obviously, if the question is obviously malicious or trollish in a way of providing direct download links or whatever, we act as needed.

But normal answers with links aren't something we care.

@ton.yeung faq.

And if it doesn't appear there, it will.

Blegh

Eric

@ton.yeung anime.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic

Madara Uchiha

anime.stackexchange.com/help

The information should all be there.

And if something isn't clear, us moderators have the ability to edit the on-topic page to make it clearer.

Logan M

@ton.yeung Yeah, that's the rule. The question we were talking about is an ID request that has nothing to do with gameplay.

Danalog

Yeah, questions about characters seem relevant to us

Eric

@ton.yeung Good luck! ;P

Logan M

9:24 PM

@ton.yeung Already are some

I suggest animeanswers.com, which gets around 4 questions a year. You could take it over by yourself.

Logan M

9:45 PM

@ton.yeung There's a reason we're doing fairly well. It's not because SE is a great platform for anime Q&A, but because literally every other option out there is horrible.

@ton.yeung this or this or this or this or this or this or your favorite anime-related forum.

Eric

@LoganM anime.answers.wikia.com/wiki/… I lol'd.

JNat

10:28 PM

wow

do we need all these tags?

0

Q: What is the chronological order of the Monogatari Series

i got Bakemonogatari, Nisemonogatari and learned that Monogatari Series Second Season is begin streamed by Aniplex which means Nekomonogatari would have been streamed at some point and they would get a home release so i am wondering what is the story chronological order i should watch Bakemonoga...

Don't they all fit under monogatari?

Eric

@JNat Yes.

I can't think of any reason why we'd need all those tags.

Logan M

Yeah, let's make a monogatari-series tag and the other ones should all be synonyms.

Eric

@LoganM Why "-series"? Do we do that for any other tags?

JNat

@LoganM I'll create the synonyms now

@Eric No, but I think that's the actual name of the franchise

right, @LoganM?

Logan M

@Eric monogatari means story. Too generic. The closest thing the series has to an official overarching name is Monogatari Series.

Eric

10:36 PM

Now that you mention it, I think you're right, @JNat.

@LoganM Yeah, my bad.

JNat

Ok, it is done

Hmm, I may have done it wrong

The ones tagged bakemonogatari did not get retagged

I should've merged upon creation of synonym, right?

Or do they just take some time?

Logan M

@JNat For some reason it doesn't do that. You have to merge the tag also.

IIRC

JNat

Ok, now it's done

The other two existing questions were yours @LoganM

Do you get some notification?

Logan M

Nope. Nothing yet.

Sakamoto

0

Q: What is the chronological order of the Monogatari Series?

I got Bakemonogatari, Nisemonogatari and learned that Monogatari Series Second Season is begin streamed by Aniplex which means Nekomonogatari would have been streamed at some point and they would get a home release. So I am wondering what is the story's chronological order: should I watch Bakemo...

monogatari-series

JNat

10:49 PM

Well, I'm off. Cya

Eric

@JNat :(

JNat

@Eric Don't fret

I'll be back

Eric

@JNat :D

See ya later~

I found this to be rather amusing:

-3

A: Six Month Moderator Evaluation

I received the following feedback anonymously via my personal website: the mods of this site are horrible and need to be removed! they close good questions and ban good users and they are destroyeying the site! they never should have been allowd to continue and need to be removed and all bane...

Logan M

oh wow lol

I tried my hand at a canonical reference post for questions asking for databases or lists of anime/manga. Opinions? Is it useful/good enough to be canonical?

0

Q: What databases and listing sites exist for anime, manga, etc?

Note: This is intended to be the canonical reference for questions like this to avoid lots of new questions coming in with slightly different specifications. Please check the sites here to see if any fit what you want before asking a new question. The answer is CW, so feel free to add to it. Wha...

resources

Eric

@LoganM I would move the Note in the question to the bottom (of the question). I think it's better for visibility if the question itself gets the top, for purposes of the summary (such as the chat link).

Otherwise, seems good.

Logan M

11:04 PM

Okay I moved it.

Eric

Perfect.

Logan M

The answer should definitely be CW. As for the question, I'm up in the air.

I'll leave it up to the mods.

@krikara The discussion regarding your answer begins here and continues for a while.

Hell Butterfly

1

Q: Should sites like Bakaupdates be banned?

I posted links to Baka-updates and mangaupdates earlier and the links were removed with the reason being it was a link to an illegal fan sub / scanlations site. However Bakaupdates is neither a fan sub group or a scans group. They are simply just an updates website. There is actually nothing ille...

discussion

Logan M

@HellButterfly Thanks lol

Eric

We should be glad. Only 19 minutes. Usually he takes 1h+.

Logan M

11:18 PM

Yeah it was fast this time.

This is the first time I've seen someone link to meta.stackoverflow.com/aa/aa/aa/aa/aa/aa/aa/aa/aa/aa/aa/aa/aa/…

Sakamoto

3

Q: What databases and listing sites exist for anime, manga, etc?

What are the major online databases of anime, manga, light novels, visual novels, and other related media? What are the differences between them? To qualify as an answer, the source should list a large fraction of series in some particular medium, not just one or a few related series. The primar...

resources

Krazer

yay

Danalog

Meh, my site works with arbitrary amounts of /a/a/a/a/a/ !

Krazer

@Danalog you would embed a secret unicorn panel in there

Danalog

@Krazer Nah, it's all movie quotes, all the way down

@Krazer imdb.com/a/a/a/a/a/a/a/a/a/a/a/a/a/a/a/a/a/a/a/a/a/a/a/a/a/a/a/…

Krazer

11:34 PM

aww~ :p

Eric

11:56 PM

This is the most genius idea ever:

137

A: Don't close questions where the user has requested that it not be closed

I would suggest that rather than closing these questions, we set up a migration path to Yahoo Answers. To prevent it from being abused, it would only be available when the system finds: "please" in proximity to the phrase "don't close" or "do not close"

We can just migrate all the crap to Yahoo! Answers.

(Assuming we don't put in the suggested prevention measures.)

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