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do you not see that by using apt.u.com now and it is updated then this whole argument is mute. so why not just use it now since it works?

Wait - why are you guys arguing?

@MarcoCeppi chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/1015574#1015574

@MarcoCeppi alternativeto recently added functionality on adding apt urls .

so i am in favour of using apt.mc.com

3:38 PM

I disagree

but it can be edited lalter

apt.mc.com isn't an official site - it's sole purpose is to display what apt.u.com should be like

@Alaukik what a waste of time and effort

it implements the instructions set forth by MTP: wiki.ubuntu.com/AptUrlRedirector

Better yet - petition Ubuntu IS team to switch apt.u.com to the AptUrlRedirector project

@MarcoCeppi how can we do that ?

3:41 PM

Not sure, I would say email MTP directly - but I don't think that's appropriate. I'm not sure the best way to do this

is there any other way to contact mpt ?

@MarcoCeppi i thought that too

what's the problem?

AptUrlRedirector again :)

oh

is the bug report open?

what's blocking on now?

3:44 PM

No bug reports - and I've been in the dark from MTP for about 8 weeks

3 unanswered emails :(

@MarcoCeppi isn't he MPT ?

Probably

@Cas you can contact him by using this launchpad.net/~mpt/+contactuser

@MarcoCeppi sorry to bother you again, but this is the right place to put my js isn't it?

    </body>
    <script type="text/javascript">
<%include file="/main.js.mako"/>
    </script>
</html>

@StefanoPalazzo Inside the head, not the body

3:47 PM

I read in the yahoo yui pages that I should put my js at the end of the page

That's also true, you can do that to avoid loading issues

if I do that, it should be after I close the body tag right?

@StefanoPalazzo I've always put it before the </body> tag not sure if there is a best practice or not

oh okay, I'll do that then :)

thanks!

(I'm off for lunch)

@MarcoCeppi the way to do this is via a bug report

so you don't block on one person

3:59 PM

@JorgeCastro there is no project on launchpad that is associated with apt.ubuntu.com

ubuntu-website would be a start

and someone will triage it from there

The current one is ugly and uninformative

@JorgeCastro i already did

there is already a good-looking and informative aturlredirector available at apt.marcoceppi.com so why is it not being implemented ?

AptUrlRedirector

Undecided / Invalid

and it was declared invalid

"ubuntu-website is not the correct place for apt.ubuntu.com - I don't know what is"

Q: Security in open source vs. closed source software

4:15 PM

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My computing teacher told us that closed source software is more secure than open source software, because with open source "anyone can modify it and put stuff in." This is why they do not want to use open source alternatives for learning to program, such as FreePascal (currently using Embarcader...

the usual security through obscurity crap

@MarcoCeppi ok I found the dude responsible

ends up they had a UDS session

will link you guys up after lunch

@JorgeCastro Nice!

@JorgeCastro so the answer to my meta q is 'run command' then

yeah

but I so like my Dash Run text :P

4:28 PM

I'm pleased to report that one of the IP addresses that was sending all the requests has stopped.

The other one is still flooding me but he's getting an empty response.

@MarcoCeppi Every had problems with one IP address flooding one of your servers with requests?

@GeorgeEdison All the time

How do you deal with it?

I block the IP in iptables

I don't have access to iptables on my server :)

cPanel has a 'block IP address' tool.

I tried using that and it worked for one of them.

@GeorgeEdison That does a stupid .htaccess block - so it still hits apache

4:31 PM

@MarcoCeppi I'm afraid that's the best I can do at this point.

If I had my own server I could always add an iptables rule... but alas - if I had my own server I wouldn't care so much if this happened :)

Call you host and ask for them to block the IP - that's the best I can say

@MarcoCeppi That's what I thought of. That's a last resort though - the person in question may be doing this accidentally since the requests are coming from a feed reader.

They might just have it set to refresh too often.

On my servers I have a monitoring script that checks for IPs connecting more than X amount of times, and blocks it for 30 minutes. Repeat offenders block longer and longer until perma block

@MarcoCeppi I should build that into JetHTTP :)

But this sounds like 1 connection repeating wayy too often. So I recommend caching

if you're worried about bandwidth then, dunno what to say :)

4:34 PM

Bandwidth isn't a problem. The response bodies are very tiny.

(Just a couple KB on average.)

The concern is CPU usage since these are PHP scripts that perform network I/O etc.

@GeorgeEdison I would recommend caching then - via DB or file

to cut down on requests?

That's the only thing that seems to be feasible at this point.

(Besides a permanent ban.)

@GeorgeEdison you're talking about your RSS app right?

@StefanoPalazzo Yup.

First thing that comes to mind: why shouldn't you just serve static pages, updated every x minutes

like caching, but without the overhead

4:48 PM

@StefanoPalazzo You mean generate the pages every xxx minutes?

That won't work due to the nature of the content.

Users can choose any site, any user ID, any parameters, etc.

oh right

There's too many variables.

I knew I was missing something :)

another Idea, just as uninformed as the first one: what about Etags? I'm not sure if RSS readers obey them, but modern browsers should

hey btw, @MarcoCeppi you mentioned cookie based login sessions the other day. I've just implemented those - my word they work marvellously. Much better than what I was trying to do

somehow the login now feels totally predictable

yo!

iz back

Q: What Logo should we use for Ubuntu Power Users?

4:58 PM

how's the server upgrade going?

0

Please post and vote on your sugestions for the Ubuntu Power Users' logo. This logo must be a pictogram. Other requirements will be on the Ubuntu Power Users' page soon.

11.04

probably meta?

rofl

that Neo clip is awesome

it's old _O- 2008 or so :X

what another very old clip? >:D I found a windows 3.1 advertorial :X

or a 1983 commerical from apple _O-

I think this question should be closed

@Rinzwind Meta doesn't seem appropriate. It's not about AU.

it's off topic, as per our FAQ. It's off topic on meta as well (question about ask ubuntu)

5:11 PM

k

righto :-)

Even if you don't mind the topic, this question has no answer

anyone agree with me?

I am flexible :=D so I agree >:)

@StefanoPalazzo Agreed. They should be using their wiki page for this.

the "too localised" close reason had this sentence for a while now:

> This question is unlikely to ever help any future visitors;

I think this perfectly describes what we're trying to do here

It's a shame, though. A Stack Exchange CW is an ideal platform for an open image poll like that.

Q: What Logo should we use for Ubuntu Power Users?

5:17 PM

0

Please post and vote on your sugestions for the Ubuntu Power Users' logo. This logo must be a pictogram. The full list of design guidelines is on the Ubuntu Power Users' Logo Submission page.

11.04

community wiki or delete

Q: Map 'capslock' key to alt-f2 (ie: run command)

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Hi all, I'm trying to get rid of the 'capslock' key and give it a better use. Since I constantly use the 'run command' shortcut 'alt+f2', I'd like to make 'capslock' trigger that action. I've found a couple of questions related (they all make use of 9xmodmap'), but none of them try to map 'caps...

xmodmap capslock

@ændrük Yeah. but we have the right platform for all sorts of things that don't help anybody except the OP :)

managed to finally answer this question for myself :D

@RolandTaylor delete it is not on topic

@RolandTaylor trying to be like ask ubuntu twitter? >:D

5:18 PM

@OctavianDamiean It's my job to be off-topic :)...

hehe I know :p

XD

and locked it is \o/

yay

>:D even Steve is ashamed of this :X

5:22 PM

@Rinzwind YouTube caption links to a higher quality version.

oh :D

wtf

why the bitten apple reference over and over eh?

not that the forbidden fruit was an apple... but........

conspiracy theory ftw!

want more? >:D

options: ie8+puke commercial or a japanese canon commercial or a fan windows 3.1 commercial >:D

why....

why????

why did I but in my earbuds to listen to that?

5:29 PM

@RolandTaylor you are welcome D:

lol

ugh, It's been so long since I've written an rpm spec that I've forgotten how

blasphemy! he said rpm!

falls to the ground in agony!

Takkat

good evening all is back

@Alaukik it was posted here around ... 16:00? >:D

5:40 PM

omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/05/neo-meet-ubuntu-video can someone post the video link in this article ?

@Alaukik here's the original on youtube: youtube.com/watch?v=yX8yrOAjfKM

@Rinzwind thanks :)

@Rinzwind did you see that 'Run Command' is the answer to the alt+f2 question

yes 1 'a' prevented me from getting a 'favourite answer' :(

5:56 PM

soz it was tough choice :P

it helped that jorge had commented on it too though :D

6:07 PM

@Rinzwind askubuntu.com/questions/41001/how-do-i-install-bitcoin

can you add more detail there? the guy seems stuck

Q: Why in python 0 < 0 == 0 is False?

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Looking into Queue.py in python 2.6 I found this construct that I found a bit strange: def full(self): """Return True if the queue is full, False otherwise (not reliable!).""" self.mutex.acquire() n = 0 < self.maxsize == self._qsize() self.mutex.release() return n If...

python

@JorgeCastro yes! i had it written down somewhere but forgot about it _O-

lol never mind

lol

:D

6:15 PM

@MarcoCeppi not too hard ;) 0<0 is false so the whole stmt is false :=D

it is shorthand for (0<0) and (0==0) = false + true = false.

now to check the answers >:D

>>> (0 < 0) and (0 == 0)
False

ha! :X

I need more coffee - how can I miss that :-(

I like this one more >:)
48÷2(9+3)

gotta love SO. there's always a question to make you feel stupid :P

@Rinzwind my dear aunt sally

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6:21 PM

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@StefanoPalazzo The statement in itself is ambigous (in the Netherlands notation like this will get you a 0 ). There are places in the world where this ends up begin 288 and other places where this is 2. >:-D

how do you arrive at anything but 2?

2(9+3)=24 and 48/24=2
48/2=24 9+3=12 24x12=288

Some consider 2(9+3) 1(!) argument

I do too

you should either write...
48
-----------------
2(9+3)

6:26 PM

since you have to do your multiplication before the addition, so it's turns into 48 / (2*(9+3))

or
48
--- (9+3)
2

what a cool problem :)

see this is why I like RPN. 9 3 + 2 * 48 /

gnome 3 is buggy

@StefanoPalazzo here you make a mistake I would have done too: you added () but... you are not allowed to do that cuz I could (with the same arguments you use) claim that you should have added the () like this (48/2)(9+3) since the ruling is that equal(!) operations should go from left to right

this is not how my monitor looks like

6:29 PM

even though that comes out 2 on an HP 35 and 0.5 on an HP 35 s

@StefanoPalazzo put this into gnome calculator: 48÷2(9+3)

it will say 288....

lol

nice

put it into google.com.... it will say 288

@Rinzwind wow, it seems I was badly wrong there

awesome :D

wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/ThirdPartyProjects

I am looking for ideas

on what kinds of apps people can make with the ubuntuone APIs

6:31 PM

now want to have some fun? Search for it on google.com and see the amount of hits >:D

12.040.000.000 hits :X

i wonder, isn't that 48÷2(9+3) ambiguous? those operators build a partial order after all...

@StefanoPalazzo general consensus it 2 btw ;) but only for americans >:D

I propose we all switch to reverse polish notation, where operators are y (op) x.

@htorque yes it is. the divider makes it so (it's badly written math)

(y op x so that writing powers is easier)

6:35 PM

you can have heated discussions about this one (friend of mine teaches math, physics and computer languages) Math and computer languages do not agree on that problem so he had some fun explaining that to his students >:D

conclusion: when in doubt add ()'s :-D (1 of his students took that very literally and added () everywhere :D

I still don't understand how gcalctool says it's 288. you have to do the multiplication first, then you encounter a sub-expression and evaluate that separately

well maybe you don't :-)

@StefanoPalazzo the rules states that equal operations (division and multiplication are considerd equal!) you have to do them from left to right.

It nowhere states that 2*(9+3) comes before 48/2. That's why I said it is badly written ;)

@JorgeCastro WebOS App for viewing documents

@Rinzwind makes perfect sense

:)

hmm still not questions I can answer beatifully :*

6:40 PM

lol → cafepress.com/+math_is_my_bitch_shirt,1548738

@Rinzwind this comes to mind: if a then if b then X else Y

well either it's (if a then (if b then x) else Y) or it's (if a then (if b then x else y))

In what language is that a problem? ?>:D

nobody knows :-)

oh this is 1 part: if b then X else Y and is active if a == true

there is nowhere something indicating else belongs to if a >:D

oooh you can do that in JS when you skip the { after if a _O-

oh I had some fun in the 90s with divisions and multiplication too....

(10/3)*3 returning 9.99 due to the OS limitation of 13 decimals _O-

you always needed to make sure you did (10*3)/3

fire up python and type "%.64f" % (1.0/3.0)

or even (0.1)

6:50 PM

same problem O O

'0.3333333333333333148296162562473909929394721984863281250000000000'

lol

.... and another spaceshuttle crashed ;)

you'll see the problem when you look at the binary representation of the float

''.join(bin(ord(i))[2:].rjust(8, "0") for i in struct.pack("d", 0.1))

>>> ''.join(bin(ord(i))[2:].rjust(8, "0") for i in struct.pack("d", (1.0/3.0)))
'0101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101011101010100111111'

it flipped a bit \o/

@JorgeCastro I found something that you might like: subsonic.org - I'm ditching my native music player for this one :)

looks good @MarcoCeppi :)

@Rinzwind this is cool as well:

>>> float('NaN') == float('NaN')
False

6:55 PM

@Rinzwind Yeah, I put all my friends music onto my computer and host it for them. They connect with their phones or the web and everyone's happy

float('NaN') <> float('NaN')
True

:D

@MarcoCeppi cool. My friends do not like me listening to music: I tend to listen to Prince, Metallica, Anouk, Rammstein, Adelle... and if they want me to stick to 1 genre I always end up choosing metal or gothic _O-

@Rinzwind I like my friends because while we have similar tastes - a lot of us like different music. It's nice to discover new things. Just the same though you could run it for yourself :)

omg, imap works in evolution 3.0 \o/

@htorque Hasn't it always worked?

no, not here

7:03 PM

@MarcoCeppi I have coding friends, going out with friends and hang out at home friends and most of these do not know each other _O-

@Rinzwind I just noticed this doesn't work in python2.x, but it does in python 3000: (-0.5)**0.25

what does p3000 do with this?

returns (4.3e-17+0.7j)

that's small :=D

where j²=–1, obviously :P

>>> 1j**2
(-1+0j)

Q: Is there a way to get thin scrollbars in 10.10?

7:08 PM

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Hey everybody, I like the new overlay/thin scrollbars from Natty but I don't like Unity and the Speed, so I will stay on Ubuntu 10.10 for a while. Is there a way to get the new scrollbars in Ubuntu 10.10 (PPA/DEB-package/GNOME-Conf or whatever)?

10.10 unity

I have to strain myself from posting a mere "no" >:D

8:04 PM

man, i wish we could set questions to "incomplete" like bugs on launchpad

downvote!

does that add the required information? ;-)

TheX

8:50 PM

If the world ends tomorrow, it was nice knowing everyone...

@TheX haha, read that too

9:18 PM

@JorgeCastro man that Ubuntu power users community came out of nowhere in no-time! That is just awesome. :D

:D

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Evan

10:01 PM

i'm looking for a UPS for my server (11.04), how can i check compatibility (meaning it could tell the server to shutdown). any recommendations? thanks!

Evan

10:12 PM

doesn't look like there is an easy answer so i'll write up a question :)

10:32 PM

You'd think that someone who has received 10s of thousands of empty response bodies would give up...

@GeorgeEdison Just perma-block

@GeorgeEdison the last IP is still sending requests? :D