English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

GnomeSlice

12:01 AM

soundcloud.com/elennemusic/marshmallow-grove-elenne-remix

Very nice.

NSFW artwork

tchrist

12:12 AM

> I’m no again your looking at the outside of a letter neither.

From The Antiquary by Sir Walter Scott.

> “Na, na, I’ll neither trust to provost nor bailier” said the postmistress,—“but I wad aye be obliging and neighbourly, and I’m no again your looking at the outside of a letter neither—See, the seal has an anchor on’t—he’s done’t wi’ ane o’ his buttons, I’m thinking.”

I wonder whether that’s what we’re to expect more of once the Scots secede from the Union. :)

I wonder whether that means handing over to the provost or bailiff, or something else again.

Oh, the reason I found all that is that I was looking for examples of again as a preposition, one without the southern “parasitic -t", as the OED calls it.

GnomeSlice

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why

tchrist

It is a brave soul, or a foolish one, who uses an offensive flag on a moderator, especially once that moderator has left. After all, they can forever see who thought them offensive.

skullpatrol

A letter can be parasitic?

tchrist

@MattЭллен Does that actually work on both sexes? I always thought it only worked on women.

@skullpatrol Apparently.

> Etymology of against: Formed on aȝen, ayen, again, by genitive ending -es, after the kindred tó-ʒeánes, to-yenes in which a genitive, governed by tó, is found in the oldest English: see to-gains.
Late in the 14th c., after the -es had ceased to be syllabic, the final -ens, -ains developed in the south a parasitic -t as in amongs-t, betwix-t, amids-t, probably confused with superlatives in -st, and c 1525 this became universal in literary English; aganis, agains, sinking into a dialectal northern form. The earlier forms of againes present all the dialectal variations found in again. The po…

GnomeSlice

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tchrist

12:26 AM

> Late in the 14th c., after the -es had ceased to be syllabic, the final -ens, -ains developed in the south a parasitic -t as in amongs-t, betwix-t, amids-t, probably confused with superlatives in -st . . .

@GnomeSlice I really don’t click on YouTube links very often. It interrupts my serenity.

GnomeSlice

your loss

tchrist

To the contrary: my gain, for I do not lose my serenity.

I value silence.

And resent aural intrusion.

skullpatrol

Interesting use of the word "parasitic." Thanks for the context @tchrist

tchrist

@skullpatrol Given that the SMGL tag the OED uses for historical variants is <VL> and the one they use for etymology is <ET>, this query reveals other head words that also mention something parasitic in either of those two sections:

macbook# oedgrep '(?:<(VL|ET)>)(?:(?\!<\/\1).)*parasitic'
against
cootie
hectocotyl
isle
malis
onchocerciasis

I presume they are going to tell us that the -s- in isle is parasitic.

Sorry about the severe LTS there.

I was, of course, wrong.

> The form ilde contains a parasitic d, as in vilde (vile), tyld (tile), mould (mole), which was probably developed quite independently of idle, though formation from that by transposition was also possible: cf. neld, neelde, needle.

That’s from isle.

I think cooties are head lice and thus inarguably parasitic. :)

cootie /ˈkuːtɪ/, sb.2 slang.

Also kootie.

Etymology: ? f. Malay kutu parasitic biting insect.

 A body louse.

1917 Empey From Fire Step 24 ― ‘Does the straw bother you, mate? It’s worked through my uniform and I can’t sleep.’ In a sleepy voice he answered, ‘That ain’t straw, them’s cooties.’
1918 in F. A. Pottle Stretchers (1930) 199, ― I could soon fall asleep thinking how absurd to worry over lice and cooties when a man was at war.
1918 E. M. Roberts Flying Fighter 106, ― I made the acquaintance of a new sport while with the battery. A saucer serves for an arena. Into this one puts a k…

And hectocotyl (or hectocotyle or hectocotylus) is:

> Etymology: ad. mod.L. Hectocotylus, name given by Cuvier to what he took for a genus of parasitic worms (see def. below), f. hecto- + Gr. κοτύλη small cup, hollow thing (cf. cotyle ² ᵇ).

So only against and idle, isle have parasitic letters.

> Etymology: mod.L. mālis, a. Gr. μᾰλις a disease in horses and asses (the late L. malleus ‘glanders’, may perh. be identical). In medical Latin, malis has been used as a generic term (with various specific designations) for parasitic skin diseases.

Oh, and for the record, glanders is “a contagious disease in horses, the chief symptoms of which are swellings beneath the jaw and discharge of mucous matter from the nostrils”.

> Glanders and farcy are perfectly identical affections, both equally contagious, and differing only in their local manifestations.

And here I always thought Farsi meant something else.

Whoa!

skullpatrol

12:47 AM

I wonder if that makes the other letters "symbiotic" :-)

tchrist

Hectocotyl, that thing they thought was a parasitic worm, is actually an octopodal detachable penis!

> A modified arm in male dibranchiate Cephalopods, which serves as a generative organ, and in some species is detached and remains in the pallial cavity of the female; in this position formerly mistaken for a parasite, to which the name Hectocotylus octopodis was given by Cuvier.

> The male Cephalopods are distinguished··by the asymmetry of their arms, one or more of which, on one side, are peculiarly modified, or hectocotylised.

skullpatrol

7:46 AM

I just turn the page on my raiders wall calendar and got a good laugh :D

September 1

Labor Day

Labour Day (Canada)

RegDwigнt

9:20 AM

@skullpatrol and Knowledge Day (Soviet Europe)

Knowledge Day

Knowledge Day (Russian: День Знаний), often simply called 1 of September, is the day when the school year traditionally starts in Russia and many other former Soviet republics. == Description == Knowledge Day originated in the USSR, where it had been established by the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of June 15, 1984, and celebrated annually on 1 September. This day also marks the end of summer and the beginning of autumn. It has special significance for the incoming class of first graders who come to school for the first time and often participate in a celebrato...

skullpatrol

@RegDwigнt cool, I never knew that :-)

RegDwigнt

See, that is exactly why today is Knowledge Day.

Tune in next year for another mildly interesting fact.

skullpatrol

thanks for the knowledge

RegDwigнt

Interesting. I thought the Knowledge Day was much older. But turns out it was pretty much specifically created for me.

skullpatrol

1984?

RegDwigнt

9:28 AM

That's what it says, yes.

skullpatrol

That was a good book too.

RegDwigнt

Still is.

skullpatrol

nah, I've read better since :-)

RegDwigнt

Oh. I see. You think good books are like highlanders.

skullpatrol

in a way, yes

nothing is perfect

Freddy

9:45 AM

Our school made world record!

skullpatrol

largest star?

Freddy

Yes largest human star.

I am some where in the middle, lol

skullpatrol

congrats

:-)

Freddy

Guinness book of world record website haven't updated yet!!! :(

skullpatrol

icic

RegDwigнt

9:49 AM

4

A: Term for people in artistic formation

This kind of photography was pioneered by Arthur Mole (a gallery of 24 of his pictures can be found here). The Wikipedia article refers to the pictures as performed group photography or "living photographs" (with quotes). Indeed, a Google Image Search for "performed group photography" returns ...

@Freddy were you more than 25000 people?

Cuz otherwise the record is sorta pointless.

skullpatrol

not for that particular shape

Freddy

@RegDwigнt I think you have put 1 zero extra. We were more than 3100

RegDwigнt

That's what I'm saying.

@skullpatrol it's stupid to have a separate record for every shape.

skullpatrol

says you

this is art

Freddy

you should complain to Guinness book of world record

RegDwigнt

9:58 AM

That's like having a separate record for eating apple pies and for eating plum pies.

@Freddy which is what I'm doing right now. They've become a joke.

It used to be that getting into the book was really very special. These days you just take an existing record, replace one word in the description, and voilá! you can claim a record for yourself.

skullpatrol

that's what they call show business

RegDwigнt

Yeah.

Same as with movie remakes.

skullpatrol

yep

RegDwigнt

Someone made something way more awesome a century ago, but who cares, this thing is now!

Jun 11 at 1:52, by RegDwigнt

There's no business like no business.

skullpatrol

ok ok

Freddy

10:06 AM

records are just show off nothing else

skullpatrol

6 mins ago, by skullpatrol

that's what they call show business

Freddy

that record wasted nearly 2 hours

oh ya u alredy did

RegDwigнt

Here's another thing your school is missing: 600 machine guns!

Also, that's from 2009, that's a star, and that's 5000 people.

Guinness should read Spiegel.

Mr_Green

10:58 AM

Hi all

"Windows Media Player" or just "Windows media player" -- (with first letter caps?)

Andrew Leach

If it's Microsoft's media player then it has capitals. If it's any old media player for Windows (like VLC, for example) then it doesn't.

Mr_Green

@AndrewLeach I mean if a particular product name has two or more words in it. should I use caps to each starting letter of the word for that product or any other thing?

Andrew Leach

If you mean Microsoft's product called "Windows Media Player" then you should use capitals. If you're just referring to any old player, then it's a common noun and you should lower case.

It's not a question of how many words are in the name.

It's whether you're referring to specific software, or a general class of software.

Cerberus

11:25 AM

Good morning!

Andrew Leach

Hello.

But it's lunchtime. Back soon :)

Stacey Anne

Hello!

1:30pm for me, so afternoon :)

Cerberus

Oh, well, I was close!

It's 1.30 here as well.

Mr_Green

11:41 AM

"One line notes miss the context about a conversation that happened between desginers and reviewers."

^ Is this sentence formation correct?

Cerberus

I'd probably say one-line notes lack the context...

Mr_Green

"about a conversation" or "about the conversation" ?

Cerberus

Funnily, that depends on context.

Is this about a specific conversation that the reader already knows about?

Mr_Green

no

Cerberus

Then a.

Mr_Green

11:50 AM

ok thanks :)

Stacey Anne

@Cerberus, you're in the Netherlands, that makes sense!

goeie middag :p

Cerberus

We're in the same time zone, and yet so far away!

Yay goedemiddag!

Kun jij Nederlands lezen?

Ik kan wel wat Afrikaans lezen.

RegDwigнt

Prachtig.

Stacey Anne

ek praat afrikaans

Cerberus

Dat nijlpaard kan ook een beetje Nederlands.

Dat weet ek.

Stacey Anne

11:56 AM

Ek kan 'n bietjie Nederlands verstaan

Cerberus

Het is eigenlijk dezelfde taal!

Stacey Anne

ja!

Cerberus

Maar ek kan geen Afrikaanse spelling.

Stacey Anne

Wat beteken "lezen"

Cerberus

Ahh.

To read.

Stacey Anne

11:58 AM

Oh, it's "lees" in afrikaans

Cerberus

Ahh.

Stacey Anne

so that would be Kan jy Nederlands lees

can you read dutch

Cerberus

Nederlands: ik lees, jij leest, hij leest; wij lezen, jullie lezen, zij lezen.

In het Afrikaans zijn al die vormen lees?

Stacey Anne

ja

Cerberus

@StaceyAnne Dat is gemakkelijk te begrijpen voor mij.

Stacey Anne

12:00 PM

maar ek weet nie "hij" en "zij"

Cerberus

Hij = he; zij = she or they.

Stacey Anne

ok

Cerberus

In this case, it is they.

She reads = zij leest; they read = zij lezen.

Maar ik moet gaan!

Tot de volgende keer.

Het was leuk Afrikaans te zien hier!

Stacey Anne

Afrikaans is different, we have sy = she and hulle = they

Cerberus

Ah, yes.

Stacey Anne

12:01 PM

totsiens!

Cerberus

There is hullie in Dutch, but it is dialectical / old fashioned. And also zullie, both meaning "they".

Tot ziens!

Stacey Anne

:D

user116848

Hi all

user116848

Cerbs is that Dutch you are speaking, right?

Stacey Anne

yep

user116848

12:03 PM

@Cerberus Ik kan niet spreken nederlands. Ik schrijf dit met behulp van Google Translator :-)

RegDwigнt

room topic changed to English Language & Usage: Tulpen uit Zuid-Afrika. Goedkoope bloemen nu bezorgen! (no tags)

user116848

Tulips from South Africa. Inexpensive flower delivery now

Andrew Leach

imdb.com/title/tt0173368

RegDwigнt

5.0 from 60 users. Oh my.

Andrew Leach

There's nothing like crowdsourcing reviews.

Jasper Loy

12:18 PM

@skullpatrol Why are you using Daniel's photo? Did you ask for his permission?

tchrist

@Arrowfar That’s racist. :)

RegDwigнt

@AndrewLeach minor edit: "crowdsourcing reviews is awesome".

Andrew Leach

Yes. It would be nice if they'd actually done that.

tchrist

1:00 PM

Dancing with questions that get edited after they are posted, again and again — and again.

tchrist

2:02 PM

@Cerb I upvoted your answer, but I do think that @Andrew is right about adjectives not usually falling in that slot. I even think he is right about more than just BrE alone, too.

However, one might also plead a case for the (deverbalized) participial adjective, consulting, being used there. I bet Sherlock the consulting detective would. :)

Andrew Leach

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Q: Why do "consulting engineers" advise, not consult?

I am interested to find if the two terms consulting and advising are interchangeable, particularly in business. Generally, one consults someone else, who advises. That is, the seeker of information is consulting, and the giver of information advises. However, there are firms of consulting engin...

tchrist

Bravo!

Good find.

Great find, even.

Andrew Leach

I tend to remember questions that I answered :)

tchrist

One should hope so! Alas, I sometimes forget.

@AndrewLeach You even show consulting used not only as a deverbal adjective but also as a deverbal noun: “going for a consulting”.

Maybe this is more than merely tangentially related. No, I don’t mean it is a duplicate, only that it is highly applicable.

I confess to being too fond of Hugh Laurie not to have watched enough House episodes to have become familiar with two doctors ducking into a side-office for “a consult”.

But it also seemed funny to me when I first heard them saying it.

GnomeSlice

Today's Listening | DnB / Chillout

tchrist

2:14 PM

♫ A-consultin’ we will go,
♫ A-consultin’ we will go,
♫ Heigh-ho, the derry-o,
♫ A-consultin’ we will go.

Jasper Loy

Where are Matt and Kit today?

tchrist

Laboring.

COCA is useless for this. Must check PMC.

tchrist

2:52 PM

@RegDwigнt I see what you mean about the ninja downvotes. Sometimes it seems like not only can you never please all the people all the time, but also that there are some people you will always displease no matter what you say.

I need to post just one more answer today to probe the theory.

Robusto

@tchrist What, on Labor day?

tchrist

After all, while once is happenstance and twice coincidence, the third time it’s guaranteed to be enemy action.

Robusto

Thank you, Auric.

And don't forget: nothing propinqs like propinquity.

tchrist

In Mexico, a propina is a tip but an enchufe (like for a plug) is a bribe.

Or kickback or something.

Still has to do with corruption one way or t’other.

Robusto

Fine, pretend I'm not here.

tchrist

3:02 PM

I’m proping you.

Hm, ok, so besides an electrical plug, which may differ if the charge is 110V vs 220V, an enchufe (said to be onomatopoeic for the sound of plugging something in: chuf) is also a Cargo o destino que se obtiene sin méritos, por amistad o por influencia política.

Now I can’t tell if it comes before or after.

Cargo there meaning charge not um cargo.

If I plug my toaster in and it goes chuf! then I am going to be worried.

Johan Larsson

Tom we could use some skill here

tchrist

@Robusto I should think a quinquity for the fifth instance would be better even than propinquity.

Why we have a quinquity but no other numeric -quities, I think must owe only to lack of obliquity rather than present of obsequity. In the fullness of time, its ubiquity is assured.

@JohanLarsson How so?

Johan Larsson

@tchrist just curious about what is right in the discussion that started here

tchrist

So you want to know what prepositions collocate with risk?

Johan Larsson

is risk for ever right?

tchrist

3:12 PM

@JohanLarsson Answer is here.

 15639 of
  4020 for
  1354 to
  1050 in
   485 from
   437 by
   239 with
   156 on
   111 at
   105 among
    71 because
    64 as
    36 worth
    28 during
    27 after
    27 through
    26 over
    24 versus
    24 without
    22 between

user116848

Hello! tchrist. How are you?

tchrist

kk

@JohanLarsson Apparently.

@JohanLarsson It happens when you use at risk for X.

Not in the risk for X.

Oh well, maybe I’m wrong.

user116848

And hi Johan and others too :)

tchrist

Andrew Leach

#19 makes sense. But where risk for actually means risk of, BrE uses of.

Another Pondian thing.

tchrist

3:18 PM

@AndrewLeach I dunno. Notice I myself thought it could only be used with at risk for, not standalone. But the samples say otherwise.

But also, there are like 4x the instances of risk of that there are of risk for in any event.

Andrew Leach

"Increased risk for youths" => Youths are at increased risk of [whatever].

That's the only one which makes sense. All the others are distinctly Americanese.

tchrist

Andrew Leach

Those read far more sensibly.

tchrist

No argument from me.

Cerberus

@Arrowfar Haha well done! But it was recognisable as being from Google Translate...

Johan Larsson

3:24 PM

Is PracticeNurce a paper?

tchrist

user116848

@Cerberus Yes google translation is very ungrammatical :) I know

Andrew Leach

@JohanLarsson sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/… Probably

tchrist

@JohanLarsson You mean a journal, I imagine.

Cerberus

@tchrist Well, there isn't really a "right" or "wrong": definitions simply vary. According to my definition, appostives are simply added to constituents outside their normal "composition", especially with commas.

tchrist

3:25 PM

Johan Larsson

@tchrist ah yes, ty.

tchrist

@Cerberus No context.

Cerberus

?

Stacey Anne

@Cerberus, does Dutch also have a double negative? I see that google translate only put in one niet (nie in afrikaans)

Cerberus

We normally use only one negative. It is like English.

Does Afrikaans still use two?

Stacey Anne

3:27 PM

yup

Cerberus

There were two in older Dutch.

> en...niet

tchrist

All the ACAD citations are academic ones.

Stacey Anne

Ek praat nie Nederlands nie

tchrist

@Cerberus I don’t understand what the context is for what you are talking about.

Stacey Anne

for example

Cerberus

3:28 PM

@tchrist Appositives! I replied to your ping.

@StaceyAnne Ah, right. Is that originally from en...niet? Or just a new development?

tchrist

@JohanLarsson I think risk from is less common academically.

Stacey Anne

I assume it's just evolved from older dutch

tchrist

Or at least, less common medically.

user116848

I didn't know they spoke dutch in Africa

Andrew Leach

@Arrowfar Afrikaans is very similar to Dutch.

Stacey Anne

3:31 PM

@Arrowfar, I speak Africaans which originated from Dutch

user116848

@AndrewLeach Yes? How?

tchrist

@Cerberus I don’t remember talking about appositives. Are you trying to say that bank robbers and baby food and dog catchers and truck stops and stop signs are all appositional? I don’t believe it.

Cerberus

I came home to a ping.

tchrist

Please link. Please please.

user116848

@StaceyAnne I see. This is the first time I have heard the word Africaans.

tchrist

3:32 PM

I am lost without threading.

Cerberus

2 hours ago, by tchrist

@Cerb I upvoted your answer, but I do think that @Andrew is right about adjectives not usually falling in that slot. I even think he is right about more than just BrE alone, too.

Perhaps you were referring to another question?

Stacey Anne

@Arrowfar en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikaans

nosmoking

Cerberus

@tchrist Ohh that was Edwin, not Andrew. My apologies, you meant the one about consultative.

tchrist

I am talking about the consultation visits that Andrew mentioned, and which Ngrams semisay are the only kind in Britain.

Stacey Anne

3:35 PM

@Arrowfer, Basically, Dutch settlers set up a colony in Cape town 300 or so years ago, and Afrikaans was the byproduct of that

nosmoking

A fric-ha

user116848

@StaceyAnne Ah. I see.

user116848

@nosmoking Is that you using the flashlight?

Johan Larsson

@tchrist ty sir

tchrist

Welcome.

@Cerberus Do you know any guys who are redheads?

Cerberus

3:41 PM

Sure, why?

Mitch

how about ginger?

tchrist

Because we have a fellow who thinks it’s a girl-thing.

@tchrist In my experience it's more commonly applied to women. But that's perhaps because it's more common to describe women by a single feature (like hair colour) than it is to describe men in that way, rather than because of anything to do with the word itself. — starsplusplus 23 mins ago

Cerberus

I don't know, he may be right.

@StaceyAnne 362 years ago!

Andrew Leach

@tchrist Men are ginger, not redheads.

Cerberus

@tchrist I would probably simply call those "consultations".

Mitch

3:43 PM

@AndrewLeach can't they both be either?

tchrist

@Cerberus I should hope so!

@AndrewLeach While women are redheads? That’s really interesting!

Andrew Leach

@Mitch I suppose they can, but they tend not to be. IME.

Mitch

I thought ginger was more...rosso, like someone in italy who doesn't have black hair.

Cerberus

@tchrist As usual, the usefulness of having a single word is...weak.

tchrist

@AndrewLeach I actually don’t understand that, in that ginger root is in no fashion orange or red or anything but beige / tan / light brown. There is no redness to it unless dyed.

Andrew Leach

3:46 PM

Ginger tends to be anything from reddish to really orange, at least in Britain. But women are rarely called ginger; and men are rarely redheads.

Cerberus

Perhaps weak isn't the right word.

Mitch

@Cerberus an efficient language would have one word for everything and everything has one word.

Cerberus

@AndrewLeach Do you know Ginger by Smack the Pony? It is mainly about women.

tchrist

@AndrewLeach Sex-specific language is a curiosity in English. That is an interesting find.

Mitch

also, Humpty-Dumpty.

Andrew Leach

3:47 PM

@Cerberus No. Popular beat combos are not really my thing.

Cerberus

@Mitch But what is a thing? A quark? An atom? A molecule? The handle of a knife? The entire knife?

@AndrewLeach Not sure what "beat combos" are, but do you know Smack the Pony?

tchrist

Mitch

@AndrewLeach Oh. In the US (in my experince) there is no ginger at all, there is just redhead, and men and women are both.

Cerberus

That is ginger indeed.

Mitch

I see a Ursula LeGuin novella coming out of this. The Left Hand of Ginger.

Andrew Leach

3:48 PM

Popular beat combo

Popular beat combo as a synonym for "pop group" is a cliché phrase within British culture. It may also be used more specifically to refer to The Beatles, or other purveyors of beat music. The deliberately out-dated phrase may be used as a tongue-in-cheek synonym, or by someone to denigrate a pop group referred to, or may be used of another person's views to imply that they are "out of touch". It may also be used to ridicule legalese and antiquated courtroom practices. The phrase is frequently used in the BBC panel game Have I Got News For You, making fun of Ian Hislop's supposed lack of knowledge...

No, I don't know Smack the Pony.

tchrist

@Cerberus The pink stuff is dyed, not natural.

@Mitch and Mary-Ann!

Cerberus

@AndrewLeach Umm Smack the Pony is comedy.

But I was wrong, it was Catherine Tate.

@tchrist And disgusting.

I only see it with Japanese food, luckily.

Andrew Leach

Oh. That "Smack the Pony". Yes, I've seen it. "By" was an odd preposition.

tchrist

Gari (ginger)

Gari (ガリ) is a type of tsukemono (pickled vegetables). It is sweet, thinly sliced young ginger that has been marinated in a solution of sugar and vinegar. Young ginger is generally preferred for gari because of its tender flesh and natural sweetness. Gari is often served and eaten after sushi, and is sometimes called sushi ginger. It is considered to be essential in the presentation of sushi. It primarily is used to cover up the smell of raw fish in the sushi restaurant, but also has the secondary function of cleansing the palate between eating different pieces of sushi. Although not standard,...

Cerberus

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@AndrewLeach I was trying to be brief.

Assuming you'd know it.

Andrew Leach

3:51 PM

On Smack the Pony.

Cerberus

This ^ is the ginger sketch from the Catherine Tate show.

I wouldn't use on there I think.

But anyway.

tchrist

In restaurants, sushi chefs stock either natural pickled ginger or ginger dyed pink artificially or with beet juice, oftentimes depending on the color of servingware used.

Cerberus

I would use from.

Andrew Leach

@Cerberus I don't think I'll play that at work :)

From works, but doesn't preclude it being a band.

tchrist

Ginger root dyed with beetroot.

Cerberus

3:53 PM

It's hilarious! You should watch it sometime.

Well, if you didn't know it wasn't a band, then you also knew you didn't know it!

@tchrist I only like fresh ginger.

Grated.

In soups and such.

Curries.

tchrist

Yes.

Cerberus

Yes.

tchrist

I sometimes make the mistake of undercooking it.

And wishing I hadn’t.

Cerberus

Huh.

I've never had that problem.

But I have to run.

Bye!

tchrist

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Q: What is the difference between white and pink ginger?

Some sushi places serve white ginger flakes with their food, while others serve pink colored ginger. There doesn't seem to be any detectable taste difference that I've found. So, what is the difference between the two other than just color, and, why serve one over the other?

ginger

Andrew Leach

3:55 PM

@Cerberus I knew of the TV show, but using "by" didn't match.

tchrist

@Craig If you are asking a broad question, not a focused one, then this will be difficult to answer satisfactorily within the parameters of the SE format. — tchrist 1 hour ago

He’s edited his question. I wonder whether I should simply delete my answer. It doesn’t have much copypasta in it, after all.

> At first it seems to have been a term restricted to magazines with attractive ginger models, as if the media couldn't admit that attractive gingers exist

Gosh, is all I can say to that as if part.

I no longer even understand the question.

Actually, in its current edit-state, it now looks like it is a duplicate of the question @Andrew linked to.

I wonder whether it might not already be answered there.

Andrew Leach

One asks about calling redheads "ginger" and the other asks about the emergence of the term "redhead".

tchrist

> Of hair: Having the colour of ginger. Of a person: Sandy-haired. Of a cock: Having red plumage.

That’s interesting. The OED says that it means sandy-haired, and I’m sure that sand is not a redhead color.

So at some point, its sense in BrE changed from sandy-haired to redhaired?

So one is about calling redheads “gingers” and the other about calling gingers “redheads”? :)

wanders away to rescue small creatures from my hunters

Andrew Leach

4:12 PM

@tchrist "All my life I have known people with reddish, orangey hair, to be termed ginger haired." "Where did the term redhead come from?"

I'd like to know the etymology of the word "ginger" in reference to red-headed people.

...And rest. Off for a train.

tchrist

I find “What is the actual history of the terms redhead/ginger? When did ginger come into use? Why did redhead fall so out of use in favour of ginger?” too close to “What is the origin of the term ‘ginger’ for red-headed people?” for me to tell the difference. This may be just me being a blockhead, however.

@AndrewLeach The citations offered by the OED suggest that it started in the 19th century. Since this is after Laurasia split, that might explain why it seems alien to us on this side of the new-born ocean.

Hm, or Avalonia.

Avalonia

Avalonia was a microcontinent in the Paleozoic era. Crustal fragments of this former microcontinent underlie south-west Great Britain, and the eastern coast of North America. It is the source of many of the older rocks of Western Europe, Atlantic Canada, and parts of the coastal United States. Avalonia is named for the Avalon Peninsula in Newfoundland. Avalonia developed as a volcanic arc on the northern margin of Gondwana. It eventually rifted off, becoming a drifting microcontinent. The Rheic Ocean formed behind it, and the Iapetus Ocean shrank in front. It collided with the continents Baltica...

Trufa

5:08 PM

Hi! Is "leave you in awe" a common way of using the word "awe"?

skullpatrol

5:20 PM

yes, I would say "leaves you in awe."

or left you in awe

it depends on the context

tchrist

5:33 PM

@AndrewLeach Done. Well, or attempted.

RutvikSutaria

5:50 PM

hello everyone!

Freddy

hello

Ramana Venkata

What is the difference between honesty and sincerity ?

Jasper Loy

Have you looked in a dictionary?

Freddy

@RamanaVenkata You can say like sincerity is subset of honesty. lol

sincerity

Noun: Wikipedia

sincerity (countable and uncountable, plural sincerities)
Knox:
George Burns

Ramana Venkata

@JasperLoy Yeah But some what confusing. I couldn't come to a conclusion. So asked it here.

Freddy

5:58 PM

The word Honesty comes from the Latin word "honestus", meaning "honorable". It deals with displaying integrity, not being deceptive or fraudulent.

The word Sincerity comes from the Latin word "sincerus", meaning "pure" or "clean". It usually is used to indicate the quality of being genuine, not feigned, without hypocrisy or pretense.

skullpatrol

there is definitely overlap

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