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12:23 AM

@JohanLarsson Congrats.

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1:47 AM

This chat is dead, QED.

2:14 AM

@JasperLoy Yes.

What are those small vaccum cleaners called that are handheld and used to remove dust from your suit

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

3:18 AM

kicks chat

> 69.096

@KevinDuke I have no idea! Never seen such a device.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Rob I have the whole of Imperial Bedroom in my head.

That's large.

Guys, the ELL chat is really boring.

I find that the level of questions on ELL is not much different from ELU.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

3:39 AM

:(

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 How was your Easter dinner? Where did you go?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@JasperLoy it was nice, thank you. We went to a nice buffet.

I was going to pay but my brother made me split it.

Did you do anything special?

Nope. I am pretty much the same every day, just trying to get better from my OCD. I think I have successfully dealt with the PTSD already.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

I'm glad to hear that.

4:14 AM

Good evening.

4:31 AM

Hello.

4:47 AM

@JasperLoy Wow really?

Well done!

That is great progress.

@skullpatrol Hello.

@Cerberus How are you?

Good! You?

I'm going to shower and then to bed.

Fine thanks.

OK.

Are you sleeping better now?

4:49 AM

@Cerberus Yup, but the OCD is much harder, lol.

@Cerberus I will go to bed with you, lol.

:-O

@Mahnax I see you are gone.

@skullpatrol Well, my sleep cycle is completely fucked up, but I am mostly sleeping 7 hours a night now, so not bad.

You?

@JasperLoy That sucks, but wasn't the PTSD worse?

@Cerberus About the same.

@Cerberus Well, I think both are equally bad.

4:51 AM

@skullpatrol OK not bad.

@JasperLoy Hmm OK.

But one is better than two.

OK, let's go to bed!

Good night!

Strange bed time for you btw.

later

Adieu!

!!wiki adieu

4:59 AM

Adieu (French for "goodbye") may refer to: * Adieu (Stockhausen), a 1966 wind quintet composed by Karlheinz Stockhausen * "Adieu" (Jahn Teigen and Anita Skorgan song), the Norwegian entry to the Eurovision Song Contest 1982 * "Adieu" (Cowboy Bebop), a song composed by Yoko Kanno for the anime Cowboy Bebop * "Adieu", a song by British band Enter Shikari on their 2007 debut album, Take to the Skies * "Adieu" (Cœur de pirate song), 2011 See also * Adiós (disambiguation)

@Cerberus Adios amigo :D

Ciao!

!!wiki good bye

Good Bye, Lenin!

Good Bye, Lenin! is a 2003 German tragicomedy film. Directed by Wolfgang Becker, the cast includes Daniel Brühl, Katrin Saß, Chulpan Khamatova, and Maria Simon. Most scenes were shot at the Karl-Marx-Allee in Berlin and around Plattenbauten near Alexanderplatz. Plot In a prologue, Alex Kerner (Daniel Brühl) recalls as a child in 1978 how proud he was along with his countrymen when the first German to enter space, Sigmund Jähn, came from East Germany (the GDR). The remainder of the film is set in East Berlin, spanning from October 1989 to just after German reunification a year later. Alex...

Oh I like that film!

5:04 AM

Parting phrases are elements of parting traditions, phrases used to acknowledge the parting of individuals or groups of people from each other. Parting phrases are specific to culture and situation, varying between persons based on social status and personal relationship. Examples In English, there are formal and informal ways of saying goodbye. In day-to-day speech, people also sometimes use foreign parting phrases like ciao and arrivederci (Italian), au revoir and bon voyage (French), auf wiedersehen and tschüss (German), adiós, hasta la vista, hasta luego, and hasta mañana (Spani...

5:59 AM

Anyone knows Chinese here?

Does this "這鋼筆寫不出字了。" make sense?

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7:38 AM

@oerkelens and it doesn't have BC or AD or BCE or CE

Matt Эллен

8:20 AM

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Matt Эллен

9:21 AM

So do not worry, flying is safe for people, that includes their precious butts :)

:D

i had a seriously hot dream about Dannii Minogue

waking up is such a disappointment

I have many weird dreams that don't correspond to my true desires.

oh, well this one corresponds pretty well to my desires

For example, I am not gay but I often dream of having sex with men.

7

There are things that I dream of that I don't even dare to type in this chat.

10:00 AM

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Nice. You like it?

best tune of all time

i've prob listened to it 1000 times :-D

Matt Эллен

!!youtube nofx linoleum

!!youtube flying without wings

10:04 AM

I have listened to this 1000 times.

oh the Wet Flies :-)

Thanks for starring my lines.

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11:14 AM

@JasperLoy craaaaaaaaaaaap

@JasperLoy facepalms

11:26 AM

@meer2kat Hi pretty! It's Friday!

@JasperLoy TGIF! I'm sick and I also haven't listened to that song and feel like a terrible human being for it

12:19 PM

Morning.

Hulloes.

herrrooo

They're using numbers in the math chat (ew)

So God just killed a man in Italy with a giant crucifix which was a monument to John Paul II, who is about to be declared a saint this weekend.

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12:35 PM

Irony?

That's Jesus, mind you, not the man.

@KitFox more like a warning not to do it?

The man was disabled, and lived in a street named after John XXIII, another pope.

So really, if that's not a sign, nothing is.

There is a guy in the math room whose mother throws away his math books because she is a devout Christian and thinks math is against religion.

@JasperLoy Some people are psychotic

the kid was only 21 :( that's so sad

@meer2kat I would think that middle school students are more naughty than high school students, you might wanna reconsider teaching another group, lol.

@meer2kat Er, which kid?

@JasperLoy so in how many days did God create the world, again? Without using numbers, please.

12:48 PM

@JasperLoy nah it's cool

@RegDwigнt Was it seven? I don't know.

I said without using numbers. You sinner.

@JasperLoy the kid that got crushed by that crucifix

@meer2kat Oh I see. OK. I was a Christian, but I no longer believe.

@RegDwigнt Oh, now I get your point, lol. I am slow.

Well too late you're going to hell.

12:50 PM

Well there is also heaven and hell in Buddhism, lol.

Ugh someone should have engineered that better or this wouldn't have happened

Here comes Hack To Hell, lol.

I dunno, if God cared he'd make it float no matter how crappily it was engineered.

Just when we are talking about hell, lol.

@RegDwigнt From a Christian's stand point... "do not test the Lord, Your God". AKA Don't be stupid and make a giant 30 meter high curved cross. The wind hitting it in the right spot in that shape probably pulled the anchors right out of the ground.

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that's just asking to kill peoplpe. :(

12:54 PM

LOL

I'm just staring at it thinking how one or two easy changes could have prevented it. Sorry, my engineer is showing and is very upset

@meer2kat well, from anyone's standpoint, "do not stand under that shit, especially not if you're disabled".

@RegDwigнt If that support beam was higher up and was attached directly, not even that would have been an issue :(

If religion didn't exist, none of this would have been an issue. Also, the world population would be 70 billion by now.

There's a plus to every minus, and vice versa.

@RegDwigнt Why 70 billion? What do you mean?

12:58 PM

@JasperLoy because people keep killing people because of religion.

But I have to run into a Friday meeting.

@RegDwigнt At the same time, it does save many lives. I dunno, pro and con to every situation, as you said

I don't think things would be different, population wise, all in all.

Oh, I don't mean to enter into a religious debate again lol

@JasperLoy Nah not an issue of the religion itself.

Wow, I have 5 stars on the wall, amazing

@JasperLoy Yes speaking of which. Often dreaming of sex with men? That's an interesting one.

1:02 PM

@meer2kat Yes. Even though I am ten per cent gay.

@JasperLoy 10 percent?

How do you figure that?

LOL kit and i think alike

@meer2kat I mean, just a rough number, lol.

Oh I see.

1:02 PM

Oh are you one of the people that say everyone is just a little bisexual/bicurious?

I think we are all X per cent gay where X is positive.

@meer2kat Yes.

I think I'm roughly 34% gay.

I'm roughly 40%

:)

@KitFox Wow, that's over a third.

Depends on how you count it.

1:03 PM

@meer2kat Interesting, lol.

@JasperLoy :) Yep. I'll be honest. lol

@KitFox true

Must be...2 out of 5?

LOL

;-)

Hmmm...yeah that sounds right. LOL!!!

1:05 PM

For me, it's still 0, lol. I am still a virgin...

@JasperLoy Really?

@meer2kat Yes, in the usual definition of the word.

Jasper has a lot of other challenges in his life.

@JasperLoy Ah, same here then. The 2 out of 5 thing would be based on general attraction

@KitFox Oh?

@meer2kat Yup, I mean, everyone knows I have OCD.

1:07 PM

@JasperLoy :)

@meer2kat 2 out of 5 is a large number.

I've seen a big improvements in your confidence since I first met you though, @Jasper.

I hope that means you are getting better.

@JasperLoy Yes it is. It's also probably partially to do with I have some anger issues built up now because of the amount of disrespect I've seen from men towards women lately and due to a friend of mine who's stuck in a terrible domestic violence situation. But it was already probably 1 of 5 even before shrugs

@KitFox He's got this :)

I remember there was a girl in college who was lesbian. She looked so much like a boy that the lecturer called her him, lol.

She will always be riding a motorcycle with a pretty girl behind

That's intense

People feel how they feel and will look how they look shrugs

1:19 PM

@meer2kat What subjects will you be teaching in middle school?

@JasperLoy Math. I'm considering also doing History. What I'd really LIKE to do is math and english.

@JasperLoy But there are too many english teachers as it is, unfortunately

I thought you said you hated numbers.

@meer2kat I think it would be good if you were to just focus on one subject. But the system may require you to do more than one.

@JasperLoy Which OCD are you suffering from?

@KitFox LOL math is my favorite subject. I was being facetious. Sorry, I'm a huge smartass

@JasperLoy Yes it does

1:22 PM

@Alraxite Well, more of the checking type

I used to teach for a while. 13 to 16 year olds.

@JasperLoy I guess if I'm completely honest with myself, my dream is to go across the world to a developing country. To educate the children, work on accessible engineering solutions to energy and resource problems, and do a small amount of missions work. But that dream fades away more and more every day.

@JasperLoy So you said :) Didn't you leave because of system corruption?

@meer2kat Oh. I once dreamed of being an opera singer, but now I wanna be a mathematician

@JasperLoy like locks and stuff?

@JasperLoy That's really cool!!

@meer2kat Well, I did not want to teach them the wrong things about math and life, which I would be forced to if I continued lol

@JasperLoy Ah I see. That's understandable

1:25 PM

I think very differently from a large portion of society around me. I feel I don't belong to this country. Maybe more people are feeling this way too and leave the country

@meer2kat Why is that?

That seems imminently doable to me.

@meer2kat Taps and switches is one of them

The public school systems generally provide only one actual course in mathematics to its students, and that is their course in geometry, the only one where one does actual math. Solving arithmetic or algebraic problems is no more doing mathematics than running a spellchecker is creating literature.

@JasperLoy Oh, I see. Sorry to hear that. I also suffer from it when I have to read stuff.

@tchrist Well, not arithmetic, I agree.

@Alraxite And I’m not talking about abstract algebra with rings and fields and such, either.

1:29 PM

@KitFox Why is what?

@JasperLoy I see

Hmm. I got a lot out of calculus, I felt.

@meer2kat Why does your dream fade more and more?

If you are not creating something, you are not doing math.

@JasperLoy Why?

Rather, you are just running over somebody else’s previous work.

1:29 PM

@tchrist Well being able to solve polynomials is maths enough.

Isn't that always the case?

I was learning how to use a tool.

@tchrist Yes but you can use that to build on your own work

To a mathematician, “doing mathematics” is a creative process in which they invent new things.

I liked math for what I could do with it.

Solve problems.

It gave me a new way of thinking of stuff.

I like to say math and not maths, lol

1:30 PM

Not things, though. I never did much like things.

@KitFox Because at the same time, I have the conflict of wanting to eventually settle down, have a family, and live life out peacefully. And that's not going to be the case in a developing country.

@KitFox Lol!

@meer2kat Oh, well, you've got many years before you need to worry about settling down.

Go spend some time doing stuff before you start worrying about that.

You'll be a more interesting mate.

@tchrist To an engineer, mathematics is a means to determine the success of your design. And to a teacher, mathematics is a means to pave the way for future engineers, doctors, mathematicians, and physicists. I'm not seeing your point per se

@KitFox Yeah

In a very real way, one that touches the world yet is not of it, mathematics is the most creative process ever devised by the mind of Man, but we kill its spirit in our scholastic curricula, leaving it an ordeal in rote repetition, a dull and hollowed out husk as dry as the vacuum of space is cold.

So there's a civil engineer and a mathematician out for a walk ...

1:34 PM

@KitFox Oh dear this should be good

@tchrist Did you just write that? Very poetic.

@tchrist Well, the Man did. Women do it better.

Of course I just wrote that.

@tchrist Well, then many mathematicians wouldn't be mathematicians. But I certainly agree that those who have contributed to the field with something new have a better insight of it.

Starfish oranges!

1:35 PM

All mathematicians have created new art, or they are not mathematicians.

@meer2kat Surely, you've heard this joke?

amazon.com/The-Art-Mathematics-Dover-Books/dp/0486450201

@KitFox Which one :) There are quite a few. I love the lighbulb ones in particular

@meer2kat They are out for a walk and they see a building on fire.

I only like stupid jokes, not deep ones, lol

1:37 PM

A highly recommended read.

@KitFox Nope I haven't heard that one

So a civil engineer and a mathematician are walking to lunch when they pass a building on fire. The civil engineer says "I know just what to do!" She hooks up a conveniently placed (for the sake of this joke) fire hose to a hydrant, uses the wrench to turn on the water, and the two of them together put the fire out.

There's this one?

An engineer, a mathematician, and a physicist are staying in three adjoiningcabins at a decrepit old motel.

First the engineer's coffee maker catches fire on the bathroom vanity. He smells the smoke, wakes up, unplugs it, throws it out the window, and goes back to sleep.

Later that night the physicist smells smoke too. He wakes up and sees that a cigarette butt has set the trash can on fire. He says to himself, "Hmm. How does one put out a fire? One can reduce the temperature of the fuel below the flash point, isolate the burning material from oxygen, or both. This coul…

sighs

@KitFox hmmm

@KitFox hehe

1:39 PM

Well, now we've reduced the joke to one previously told.

@KitFox I am still trying to understand this, lol.

@KitFox :P

@JasperLoy I didn't finish it. I was interrupted. looks pointedly @meer2kat

@KitFox <3 waits

Please continue @KitFox ?

Well, I rescued it by use of a clever punchline.

2 mins ago, by KitFox

Well, now we've reduced the joke to one previously told.

But my audience is unwilling or unable to see how clever I am this morning.

So I'm going to shuffle off and pout.

1:43 PM

:(

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Yes, I agree with that.

Calculus felt like the first breath of spring.

Indeed

What do you get if you cross an elephant with a mountain climber?

^I think I've heard that one.

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1:46 PM

But I can't remember the punchline.

@meer2kat Nothing, because you can't cross them.

You can't do that. A mountain climber is a scalar.

exactly @jasper

@meer2kat LOL

Jasper keeps counting his stars on the wall so often, I wonder how he's not asleep all the time.

A Mathemetician (M) and an Engineer (E) attend a lecture by a Physicist. The topic concerns Kulza-Klein theories involving physical processes that occur in spaces with dimensions of 9, 12 and even higher. The M is sitting, clearly enjoying the lecture, while the E is frowning and looking generally confused and puzzled. By the end the E has a terrible headache. At the end, the M comments about the wonderful lecture. The E says, "How do you understand this stuff?"

M: "I just visualize the process."

1:48 PM

@RegDwigнt That is because I did not count sheep, lol

@JasperLoy so write a CSS "plugin".

@meer2kat laughs... abstractly

Is that a grashopper with a purple condom?

No, it’s blue.

Check your monitor calibration.

1:49 PM

That's a hat. Check your condom shape.

There is something you can put on your finger after you get a cut. Initially I thought it was a condom.

fetches his amazing technocolor spectacles

@KitFox keep going! I'm in suspense!

@Mitch I know, right? I want to know the rest of it!!

Three men are in a hot-air balloon. Soon, they find themselves lost in a canyon somewhere. One of the three men says, "I've got an idea. We can call for help in this canyon and the echo will carry our voices far."

So he leans over the basket and yells out, "Helllloooooo! Where are we?" (They hear the echo several times).

15 minutes later, they hear this echoing voice: "Helllloooooo! You're lost!!"One of the men says, "That must have been a mathematician."

Puzzled, one of the other men asks, "Why do you say that?"

blah blah fire happens again mathematician sets everything back where it goes and heads to lunch reducing it to previously solved.

1:51 PM

I think the joke was complete as it was.

@KitFox Oh lol! haha

@KitFox Oh...joke #17. good one.

Thus you can see how the joke is reduced to the same punchline as it always is.

Well, except for the one about the mathematician assuming something.

Unless you wear amazing technicolor spectacles.

@KitFox Now I see why it was clever :P

1:52 PM

So the other mathematician punchline.

@RegDwigнt He’s probably in one of those pastoral villages with signs at their outskirts warning truckers not to use engine-breaking due to its infuriating noise, so the condom near his backside is actually there to muffle his spontaneous stridulations like a silencer on a pistol muzzle.

TMI

@meer2kat also, millions of people do that pretty successfully in developing countries. YOu just don't necessarily have all the amenities.

NO JAKE BRAKES!

@KitFox I am a mathematician and I am not familiar with that punchline.

1:53 PM

@Mitch Yeah lol

I saw the following scrawled on a math office blackboard in college:

1 + 1 = 3, for large values of 1

That's #1.

@meer2kat Oh you can be poor here, move there and automatically you're rich.

@RegDwigнt ?

@meer2kat joke #1.

@meer2kat Haha, not funny.

1:54 PM

@meer2kat in the math joke reference book that is the first one.

@RegDwigнt from what

Mind you, not ranked by hilarity.

@Mitch that's a thing?

@RegDwigнt It is through no fault of my own, let alone some moral failure springing from Original Sin, that I can seldom fit the compass of my expansive thoughts within the inflexible straitjacket of an eighty-column punchcard.

@meer2kat from other jokes. Ask @Mitch. He has the complete list.

1:55 PM

@meer2kat yeah. check your library. also the internet google for math joke reference book

@tchrist and eighty-column punchcards got you Dubya. Congrats.

@meer2kat A tan is good cos it's not a sin.

@RegDwigнt Kit's joke is the omegath joke in the book.

@JasperLoy cute lol

Omega is #17? checks

1:56 PM

@meer2kat I made that up myself, I am so proud, lol

Matt Эллен

To philosophers were out on a walk, one turned to the other and said "someone could be telling a joke about us."

The first one in the kid's joke book is...

I don't think you entirely correct, sir.

Why is 5 afraid of 6?

Argh I screwed up.

lol

1:56 PM

Why is 6 afraid of 7?

Because 345.

@Mitch Once you’ve collected all your jokes and are finished and done, then they have been omegathered.

because 7 8 9.

because 7 8 9

Jinx

1:57 PM

jinx

Meta-jinx.

meta jinx

Meta-meta-jinx.

meta-meta jinx

eek

1:57 PM

meta meta meta jinx

You owe me three cokes by now.

Jinky jinky parlez vous.

dammit

Well, 8 isn't between 6 and 7.

I am still trying to understand whu 5 is afraid of 6, slow down.

1:57 PM

Because 5 is the number of stars on your wall.

apparently there's a math purity test lol

because seven ate nine

@JasperLoy Whu is Chinese.

And 6 is much, much higher.

I get 42.

No Spamming!

1:59 PM

oh fine

Good Will Spamming.

anyone want the link?

To car talk?

The famous Chinese philosopher Whu knows what weevils lurk in the harts of men, and in their hinds as well.

This chat is too fast for me, lol

2:00 PM

@JasperLoy Use ^S.

you know what seriously bugs me about math. 0^0.

Thine hieroglyphs escape me.

@meer2kat I think there is a question on Math SE about it.

I don't get mathjax to do it

@JasperLoy oh really?

@meer2kat Yup.

2:02 PM

You can always find such questions with 10 other duplicates on MSE.

@JasperLoy it's bothered me for years and years. i accept it, but it upsets me

@Alraxite It's hard to search on that site.

Well, I've seen at least ten questions about infinity/division by zero/0 raised to 0 etc

on the new questions list

Someone should post ten questions about division by 1.

@meer2kat Link is OK.

2:06 PM

The best answer I've found so far: "Zero raised to the zero power is one. Why? Because mathematicians said so. No really, it’s true."

Well, it's undefined. You can read about it on wikipedia too. @meer2kat

@Alraxite yeah. it's troublesome.

"There are some further reasons why using 0^0 = 1 is preferable, but they boil down to that choice being more useful than the alternative choices, leading to simpler theorems, or feeling more “natural” to mathematicians. The choice is not “right”, it is merely nice."

so basically because they said so and it makes their lives easier

that's reassuring

@JasperLoy very hard

@meer2kat Well, it is certainly preferable because then we would have x^0 for all x. But then we'll have a discontinuity in the graph of 0^x.

Well

0^x isn't defined for negative x's either.

But, I remember reading some arguments other than continuity on why either is preferable.

This: math.stackexchange.com/questions/11150/…

@Alraxite Yeah there's a whole long explanation with examples as to why it is preferable on another site as well

@Alraxite Thanks!

2:53 PM

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